From nick.reich at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 15:53:25 2008 From: nick.reich at gmail.com (Nicholas Reich) Date: Fri Aug 1 15:53:31 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] forward-word binding Message-ID: <4AEC1673-E958-4A73-82C8-6B71AB58141F@gmail.com> I just installed Aquamacs 1.4 and one keystroke that I used all the time has been changed! Specifically, when I used to type control-left/right the cursor would move one word (ignoring parentheses) in either direction. I suspect, but don't know for sure, that this is the 'forward-word function. Now, both control-left/right and [Apple]-left/right move me to the beginning/end of the current line that I'm on. I'd like to bring back the old behavior to the control commands. How can I do this? I tried editing the osxkeys.el file in / Applications/Aquamacs\ Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/macosx/ with the lines (define-key map '[(control left)] 'backward-word) (define-key map '[(control right)] 'forward-word) but I don't really know what I'm doing here. Any suggestions? Thanks, nick From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 19:09:12 2008 From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham) Date: Fri Aug 1 19:09:16 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] forward-word binding In-Reply-To: <4AEC1673-E958-4A73-82C8-6B71AB58141F@gmail.com> References: <4AEC1673-E958-4A73-82C8-6B71AB58141F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20ecf6c70808011609k28281035s414fc04981af6dda@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Nicholas Reich wrote: > I just installed Aquamacs 1.4 and one keystroke that I used all the time > has been changed! > Specifically, when I used to type control-left/right the cursor would move > one word (ignoring parentheses) in either direction. I suspect, but don't > know for sure, that this is the 'forward-word function. > FYI, the change was made in order to match standard OS X behavior. (Option-left/right was similarly intended to be changed to backward/forward-word in 1.4, but your email has brought it to my attention that it was missed somehow!) I'd like to bring back the old behavior to the control commands. > How can I do this? I tried editing the osxkeys.el file in > /Applications/Aquamacs\ Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/macosx/ with > the lines > In general, users should not edit the files within Aquamacs Emacs.app (you'll lose your customizations when you change versions, and it will be hard to distinguish built-in behaviors from the effects of your personal settings). Instead, make changes to ~/Library/Application Support/Aquamacs Emacs/Preferences.el The lines (global-set-key [(\C right)] 'forward-word) (global-set-key [(\C left)] 'backward-word) should do what you want, but you may want to consider using \M instead of \C here, to match standard OS X behavior. --Nathaniel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20080801/e8c98e3e/attachment.html From thvv at multicians.org Sat Aug 2 10:11:55 2008 From: thvv at multicians.org (Tom Van Vleck) Date: Sat Aug 2 10:12:03 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] forward-word binding In-Reply-To: <20ecf6c70808011609k28281035s414fc04981af6dda@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AEC1673-E958-4A73-82C8-6B71AB58141F@gmail.com> <20ecf6c70808011609k28281035s414fc04981af6dda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9922CD66-302F-4871-BC32-1C9A041ED8F9@multicians.org> On Aug 1, 2008, at 7:09 PM, Nathaniel Cunningham wrote: > FYI, the change was made in order to match standard OS X behavior. > (Option-left/right was similarly intended to be changed to backward/ > forward-word in 1.4, but your email has brought it to my attention > that it was missed somehow!) Many of us use Emacs on multiple different platforms in the same day. Switching our behavior back and forth depending on the platform is error prone. I think that where behavior is the same on all Emacsen it should be left that way in Aquamacs. The beauty of Aquamacs was that it added behavior for flower-whatever to the existing Emacs function, without conflict with what was there. Operating systems come and go. My Emacs habits have developed over almost 30 years. I expect that I will be using Emacs on Mac OS XI, XII, etc. I was happy to see some features flow in the other direction, with OS X adopting ctrl-F and so on in Mail.app. I would prefer that gratuitous changes to existing Emacs behavior in Aquamacs should be opt-in rather than opt-out. Go ahead, experiment, add new choices to the menus. Some will be wonderful, and each person can each adopt them as desired and when convenient. The ones, like changing ctrl-right, that conflict with usage on other systems, I won't adopt. From d.stegmueller at gmail.com Sat Aug 2 11:11:18 2008 From: d.stegmueller at gmail.com (Daniel Stegmueller) Date: Sat Aug 2 11:11:26 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] forward-word binding In-Reply-To: <9922CD66-302F-4871-BC32-1C9A041ED8F9@multicians.org> References: <4AEC1673-E958-4A73-82C8-6B71AB58141F@gmail.com> <20ecf6c70808011609k28281035s414fc04981af6dda@mail.gmail.com> <9922CD66-302F-4871-BC32-1C9A041ED8F9@multicians.org> Message-ID: <26DCCBA9-6EB5-44D6-AE76-AEC11AF423C6@gmail.com> Well, that does not work if key-combinations are an integral part of the system. Ctrl-left-right, for example, is used for switching desktops under OS X. You do have a valid point, of course. But to me Aquamacs (in comparison to Carbon Emacs) was always focused on OS-integration... Best, Daniel On 2 Aug 2008, at 15:11, Tom Van Vleck wrote: > On Aug 1, 2008, at 7:09 PM, Nathaniel Cunningham wrote: >> FYI, the change was made in order to match standard OS X behavior. >> (Option-left/right was similarly intended to be changed to backward/ >> forward-word in 1.4, but your email has brought it to my attention >> that it was missed somehow!) > > > Many of us use Emacs on multiple different platforms in the same day. > Switching our behavior back and forth depending on the platform is > error prone. > I think that where behavior is the same on all Emacsen it should be > left that way in Aquamacs. > The beauty of Aquamacs was that it added behavior for flower- > whatever to the existing Emacs function, without conflict with what > was there. > > Operating systems come and go. My Emacs habits have developed over > almost 30 years. > I expect that I will be using Emacs on Mac OS XI, XII, etc. > I was happy to see some features flow in the other direction, with > OS X adopting ctrl-F and so on in Mail.app. > > I would prefer that gratuitous changes to existing Emacs behavior in > Aquamacs > should be opt-in rather than opt-out. Go ahead, experiment, add new > choices > to the menus. Some will be wonderful, and each person can each > adopt them as desired and when convenient. > The ones, like changing ctrl-right, that conflict with usage on > other systems, I won't adopt. > > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx Daniel Stegmueller Landgrafenstr. 14 60486 Frankfurt a.M. 069/24140381 d.stegmueller@gmail.com From david.reitter at gmail.com Sat Aug 2 13:28:01 2008 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sat Aug 2 13:55:19 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] forward-word binding In-Reply-To: <9922CD66-302F-4871-BC32-1C9A041ED8F9@multicians.org> References: <4AEC1673-E958-4A73-82C8-6B71AB58141F@gmail.com> <20ecf6c70808011609k28281035s414fc04981af6dda@mail.gmail.com> <9922CD66-302F-4871-BC32-1C9A041ED8F9@multicians.org> Message-ID: <553DC2D8-6973-4A79-B400-7A675D1D993B@gmail.com> On 2 Aug 2008, at 16:11, Tom Van Vleck wrote: > > Many of us use Emacs on multiple different platforms in the same day. > Switching our behavior back and forth depending on the platform is > error prone. > I think that where behavior is the same on all Emacsen it should be > left that way in Aquamacs. > The beauty of Aquamacs was that it added behavior for flower- > whatever to the existing Emacs function, without conflict with what > was there. > > Operating systems come and go. My Emacs habits have developed over > almost 30 years. I understand, and I usually recommend Carbon Emacs Package to users like you. Its focus is on cross-platform coherence. Aquamacs' focus is on integrating with other applications and the habits that have formed from using OS X applications. > I would prefer that gratuitous changes to existing Emacs behavior in > Aquamacs > should be opt-in rather than opt-out. Go ahead, experiment, add new > choices > to the menus. Some will be wonderful, and each person can each > adopt them as desired and when convenient. The service we provide is to make it zero-configuration for those who want integration with the desktop. However, it you prefer not to see any changes, don't upgrade. If you do upgrade, I will endeavor to make it easy for someone who knows the basics of Emacs Lisp to undo any new defaults. We try to announce them in the change log. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My Emacs habits have developed over > almost 30 years. > I expect that I will be using Emacs on Mac OS XI, XII, etc. > I was happy to see some features flow in the other direction, with > OS X adopting ctrl-F and so on in Mail.app. > > I would prefer that gratuitous changes to existing Emacs behavior > in Aquamacs > should be opt-in rather than opt-out. Go ahead, experiment, add > new choices > to the menus. Some will be wonderful, and each person can each > adopt them as desired and when convenient. > The ones, like changing ctrl-right, that conflict with usage on > other systems, I won't adopt. > > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx From nick.reich at gmail.com Sat Aug 2 14:13:29 2008 From: nick.reich at gmail.com (Nicholas Reich) Date: Sat Aug 2 15:10:24 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] forward-word binding In-Reply-To: <20ecf6c70808011609k28281035s414fc04981af6dda@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AEC1673-E958-4A73-82C8-6B71AB58141F@gmail.com> <20ecf6c70808011609k28281035s414fc04981af6dda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Nathaniel et al- Thanks for your suggestions. I will try to use \M-left/ and \M-right instead. I've tried to implement them but the behavior that I describe below is not changing once I've created the Preferences.el file. My questions boil down to two issues: (1) perhaps the function I'm looking for is not 'forward-word. I am particularly interested in the function that will jump from word to word and will even jump into the middle of a set of parentheses, rather than jumping over anything contained within them. (2) Even if the function that I'm looking for is 'forward-word, creating the Preferences.el in ~/Library/Application Support/Aquamacs Emacs/Preferences.el does not seem to have any impact on the behavior of Aquamacs. I've obviously tried quitting the application and even restarting the computer in an attempt to have any changes take effect. Nick On Aug 1, 2008, at 7:09 PM, Nathaniel Cunningham wrote: > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Nicholas Reich > wrote: > I just installed Aquamacs 1.4 and one keystroke that I used all the > time has been changed! > Specifically, when I used to type control-left/right the cursor > would move one word (ignoring parentheses) in either direction. I > suspect, but don't know for sure, that this is the 'forward-word > function. > > FYI, the change was made in order to match standard OS X behavior. > (Option-left/right was similarly intended to be changed to backward/ > forward-word in 1.4, but your email has brought it to my attention > that it was missed somehow!) > > I'd like to bring back the old behavior to the control commands. > How can I do this? I tried editing the osxkeys.el file in / > Applications/Aquamacs\ Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/ > macosx/ with the lines > > In general, users should not edit the files within Aquamacs > Emacs.app (you'll lose your customizations when you change versions, > and it will be hard to distinguish built-in behaviors from the > effects of your personal settings). Instead, make changes to > ~/Library/Application Support/Aquamacs Emacs/Preferences.el > > The lines > (global-set-key [(\C right)] 'forward-word) > (global-set-key [(\C left)] 'backward-word) > should do what you want, but you may want to consider using \M > instead of \C here, to match standard OS X behavior. > > --Nathaniel > > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx From david.reitter at gmail.com Sat Aug 2 15:45:07 2008 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sat Aug 2 16:13:09 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] forward-word binding In-Reply-To: References: <4AEC1673-E958-4A73-82C8-6B71AB58141F@gmail.com> <20ecf6c70808011609k28281035s414fc04981af6dda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A33E832-B893-4169-82AA-903088C0B3E2@gmail.com> On 2 Aug 2008, at 20:13, Nicholas Reich wrote: >> >> In general, users should not edit the files within Aquamacs >> Emacs.app (you'll lose your customizations when you change >> versions, and it will be hard to distinguish built-in behaviors >> from the effects of your personal settings). Instead, make changes >> to >> ~/Library/Application Support/Aquamacs Emacs/Preferences.el >> wrong path, check manual - it goes in Preferences/ - D -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Use C-h k to check what is assigned to a given key or key combo. --Nathaniel On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:45 PM, David Reitter wrote: > > wrong path, check manual - it goes in Preferences/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20080802/d2489f16/attachment.html From normen.mueller at googlemail.com Mon Aug 4 21:41:39 2008 From: normen.mueller at googlemail.com (Normen Mueller) Date: Mon Aug 4 22:41:05 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] aquamacs opens X11 Message-ID: <7E5CC39D-F9D5-4B03-AE38-3C001FBAEA71@googlemail.com> Dear all, I am using Intel Mac OS X 10.5.4 and I have just installed aquamacs 1.4 after I have installed skim. I wonder why every time I open up aquamacs, X11 gets opened as well??? Is there any way to avoid this? BTW, on my PowerBook that is not the case, there only aquamacs pops up w/o starting X11. I would appreciate any suggestions... Cheers, /nm From normen.mueller at googlemail.com Mon Aug 4 22:29:10 2008 From: normen.mueller at googlemail.com (Normen Mueller) Date: Mon Aug 4 22:53:19 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: aquamacs opens X11 In-Reply-To: <7E5CC39D-F9D5-4B03-AE38-3C001FBAEA71@googlemail.com> References: <7E5CC39D-F9D5-4B03-AE38-3C001FBAEA71@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <0E522208-E3EF-4351-97CD-B328BCC671D8@googlemail.com> Ops, please forget about this post. The X11 startup was due to some changes in my .bashrc. Sorry. /nm On Aug 5, 2008, at 3:41 AM, Normen Mueller wrote: > Dear all, > > I am using Intel Mac OS X 10.5.4 and I have just installed > aquamacs 1.4 after I have installed skim. I wonder why every time I > open up aquamacs, X11 gets opened as well??? Is there any way to > avoid this? > > BTW, on my PowerBook that is not the case, there only aquamacs > pops up w/o starting X11. > > I would appreciate any suggestions... > > Cheers, > /nm From cro at ncbt.org Tue Aug 5 11:27:12 2008 From: cro at ncbt.org (C. R. Oldham) Date: Tue Aug 5 11:56:50 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Save buffer untabifies in Aquamacs? Message-ID: <801F23B6-2A63-4194-83EA-45FEFC778AD8@ncbt.org> Greetings, I've been an Emacs user for 20+ years and finally can move to the Mac platform fulltime. I've noticed that Aquamacs seems to untabify buffers by default on save, so for example when I use Aquamacs to manipulate tab-separated data files on save all my tabs disappear. Can someone please tell me where to turn that behavior off? Thanks. --cro From ssemigr at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 10:57:09 2008 From: ssemigr at gmail.com (Semi Gr) Date: Fri Aug 8 12:00:17 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] croatian keyboard Message-ID: <231aa5fd0808080757y77903fcbo447a27d2d1fc11f8@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I would like to try out Aquamacs (mainly for LaTeX), but the problem is that my keyboard is not recognised, so I can't, for example, type the symbol | because it's bound to the key sequence option-shift-?, and not usual place. I saw in Wiki that there are ways to chnage the keyboard layout, but I couldn't find a how-to with more details. Any hints, ideas? Thanks. Ivica Nakic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Support for further keyboards can be added easily; please have a look at the file "emulate-mac-keyboard- mode.el" which is inside the .app bundle or also in the Aquamacs CVS repository. When you've compiled a few lines of code, send it over to us (e.g., to me) and we'll include support for the Croatian keyboard in a future Aquamacs version. Best - David -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[1] http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/AquamacsFAQ#toc17 Cheers, Victor Ramiro From david.reitter at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 17:11:03 2008 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Fri Aug 8 17:11:12 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs window coloring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <707B0473-F20D-4338-B6B7-2B21336DD897@gmail.com> Hi Victor, On 8 Aug 2008, at 22:18, Victor Ramiro wrote: > Recently I've updated my Aquamacs version to 1.4 > After the update I can't save my color window anymore. > I used to use: > > Options -> Color Theme -> midnight > > But now, I choose the theme and after close the window, the color is > missing > Even if I do save options. I followed the steps described in the > wiki[1], > but after reopen Aquamacs is still white-background :-/ http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/AquamacsFAQ#toc17 Best, David -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20080808/ffc27d26/smime.bin From cro at ncbt.org Fri Aug 8 17:45:57 2008 From: cro at ncbt.org (C. R. Oldham) Date: Fri Aug 8 17:46:15 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs window coloring In-Reply-To: <707B0473-F20D-4338-B6B7-2B21336DD897@gmail.com> References: <707B0473-F20D-4338-B6B7-2B21336DD897@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5DA1782F-BDF8-46E6-A8E0-26D2512813CB@ncbt.org> Victor, I just tried these steps and found that I had to do the following: 1. set "aquamacs-styles-mode" to t (I used Custom to do it) 2. Make sure I was in a Text buffer 3. M-x color-theme-select 4. Pick the color theme I wanted. 5. Make sure my cursor was in a text-mode buffer (or else the next step doesn't make sense because "Use Current Style for Text Mode" is missing from the menu) 6. Menu ? Options ? Frame Appearance Styles ? Use Current Style for Text Mode 7. Menu ? Options ? Frame Appearance Styles ? Use Current Style as Default 8. Say yes to the dialog. 9. Exit and restart Aquamacs. On Aug 8, 2008, at 3:11 PM, David Reitter wrote: > Hi Victor, > > On 8 Aug 2008, at 22:18, Victor Ramiro wrote: >> Recently I've updated my Aquamacs version to 1.4 >> After the update I can't save my color window anymore. >> I used to use: >> >> Options -> Color Theme -> midnight >> >> But now, I choose the theme and after close the window, the color >> is missing >> Even if I do save options. I followed the steps described in the >> wiki[1], >> but after reopen Aquamacs is still white-background :-/ > > http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/AquamacsFAQ#toc17 > > Best, > David > > -- > http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X > http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor > and support the Aquamacs Project! > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx From david.reitter at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 11:59:00 2008 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Mon Aug 11 12:26:00 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 1.5rc2 Message-ID: Dear Aquamacs users, Aquamacs 1.5 rc2 (preview version) is available for those who would like to try out the latest features and bug fixes. Download: http://aquamacs.org/download.shtml Change Log: http://aquamacs.org/nightlies.shtml#changelog-latest Please report bugs in Aquamacs via the usual channel (aquamacs-bugs@aquamacs.org ). Thank you. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20080811/dff87946/smime.bin From ssemigr at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 05:03:27 2008 From: ssemigr at gmail.com (Semi Gr) Date: Tue Aug 12 05:29:43 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] croatian keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <231aa5fd0808080757y77903fcbo447a27d2d1fc11f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <231aa5fd0808120203n22563434m995a8d62cebd433e@mail.gmail.com> I've looked at emulate-mac-keyboard-mode.el, it looks fairly simple. The problem is that this file has iso-latin-1-unix encoding, and the croatian symbols are in latin2, so I suppose I can't directly write croatian-specific symbols. Is it possible to re-encode this file in utf8, or is there some other workaround? Best, Ivica 2008/8/8 David Reitter > On 8 Aug 2008, at 16:57, Semi Gr wrote: > > I would like to try out Aquamacs (mainly for LaTeX), but the problem >> is that my keyboard is not recognised, so I can't, >> for example, type the symbol | because it's bound to the key sequence >> option-shift-?, and not usual place. I saw in Wiki that there are >> ways to chnage the keyboard layout, but I couldn't find a how-to with >> more details. Any hints, ideas? >> > > That's generally not a problem. Support for further keyboards can be added > easily; please have a look at the file "emulate-mac-keyboard-mode.el" which > is inside the .app bundle or also in the Aquamacs CVS repository. > > When you've compiled a few lines of code, send it over to us (e.g., to me) > and we'll include support for the Croatian keyboard in a future Aquamacs > version. > > Best > - David > > > -- > http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X > http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and > support the Aquamacs Project! > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20080812/d0e72127/attachment.html From myotisone at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 15:46:51 2008 From: myotisone at gmail.com (Graham Smith) Date: Tue Aug 12 16:43:30 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] pdflatex: command not found In-Reply-To: <8712AC49-1D4D-4F4B-A5D7-859CB578F4EA@gmail.com> References: <8712AC49-1D4D-4F4B-A5D7-859CB578F4EA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c75873c0808121246w427e6b88m3bbbb145957947b8@mail.gmail.com> Has this been fixed yet? I am having the same problem with Aquamacs AND on Ubuntu which may provide some clue that the problem is not exclusively an Aquamacs one. Graham 2008/7/22 David Reitter > Johannes, > > On 22 Jul 2008, at 06:30, Johannes Brauer wrote: > >> >> trying to typeset a file from within Aquamacs (1.4) I get the error >> message: >> >> Running `LaTeX' on `GrundkursSmalltalk' with ``pdflatex >> -interaction=nonstopmode "\input" GrundkursSmalltalk.tex'' >> /bin/sh: pdflatex: command not found >> > > Could you please try out an Aquamacs from > > http://aquamacs.org/nightlies.shtml > > ... and let us know if this solves your problem? > > (We'd really appreciate your help with this even though there are quick > fixes.) > > > -- > http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X > http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and > support the Aquamacs Project! > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20080812/f000c9d0/attachment.html From david.reitter at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 18:21:04 2008 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Tue Aug 12 18:21:12 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] pdflatex: command not found In-Reply-To: <2c75873c0808121246w427e6b88m3bbbb145957947b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8712AC49-1D4D-4F4B-A5D7-859CB578F4EA@gmail.com> <2c75873c0808121246w427e6b88m3bbbb145957947b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12 Aug 2008, at 20:46, Graham Smith wrote: > Has this been fixed yet? Yes, as far as I'm concerned, this has been fixed in 1.5 RC2 (and before). You need to be able to start pdflatex from a shell opened in Terminal.app, i.e. PATH must be correct. - D -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20080812/b276cd75/smime.bin From myotisone at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 18:32:19 2008 From: myotisone at gmail.com (Graham Smith) Date: Tue Aug 12 18:32:22 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] pdflatex: command not found In-Reply-To: References: <8712AC49-1D4D-4F4B-A5D7-859CB578F4EA@gmail.com> <2c75873c0808121246w427e6b88m3bbbb145957947b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c75873c0808121532r29a9942dk71b8f698421b8461@mail.gmail.com> David, >> Has this been fixed yet? > > Yes, as far as I'm concerned, this has been fixed in 1.5 RC2 (and before). > > You need to be able to start pdflatex from a shell opened in Terminal.app, > i.e. PATH must be correct. Thanks, I can run pdflatex from Terminal.app, and the error seems intermittent on current relasese 1.4 (which I am using) I will download the nightly build as you suggest in the earlier post and assume that will fix it. Graham From peter.frings at agfa.com Wed Aug 13 11:33:00 2008 From: peter.frings at agfa.com (peter.frings@agfa.com) Date: Wed Aug 13 12:02:10 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Carbon emacs (summer edition keeps) files open? Message-ID: Hi all, I recently switched to the summer edition of Carbon Emacs, and find that something has changed with respect to the previous version (well, I suspect it's emacs, since nothing else in my workflow has changed -- to my knowledge...). I frequently inspect an image from a dired buffer in order to decide whether I have to edit it. If so, I close the buffer showing the image (C-x C-k), and then open that image in photoshop. Now, with the summer edition, I can no longer save that image from within photoshop: it complains that the "file is in use or left open". Sure enough, lsof shows those image files still in use by emacs. However, the buffer listing doesn't show them anymore. Now the question: - is there a way to close those files (apart from quitting emacs)? - if it's really emacs, is there a way to fix it? Thanks, Peter. emacs-version gives "GNU Emacs 22.2.50.1 (i386-apple-darwin9.4.0, Carbon Version 1.6.0) of 2008-07-17 on seijiz.local" From joseph.slater at wright.edu Thu Aug 14 11:35:55 2008 From: joseph.slater at wright.edu (Joseph C. Slater PE, PhD) Date: Thu Aug 14 11:36:00 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] synctex in Aquamacs In-Reply-To: <9ab34dfc0807290829j1e7d4329mfbe3add3edbf9a34@mail.gmail.com> References: <9053CB2F-2E32-4346-A7A2-126EA13801E0@wright.edu> <8498CDAE-6E89-4619-A38B-8830AFDA99F7@Web.DE> <3BDD5F93-74C9-4F00-AA39-8A3648CF91D7@wright.edu> <71C78666-2148-44EE-94EA-DA2C6610747F@Web.DE> <9ab34dfc0807290829j1e7d4329mfbe3add3edbf9a34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <89CCC95B-D230-428A-85C6-5B5AC7A4EEC9@wright.edu> On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:29 AM, M A wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Joseph C. Slater PE, PhD > wrote: >> > > As Peter says going the customization route is better than editing > elisp files. Unfortunately, this is itself not always easy for a > non-expert. I would suggest doing the following: > 1. Open a latex file in aquamacs. > 2. Under the Latex menu item go to Customize Auctex. > 3. Select Expand this menu. > 4. Go back to Latex>Customize Auctex and select Tex Command>Tex > Command List.... > 5. You should now have a buffer open which a bunch of entries under > Tex Command List. Look for the one that starts with "Name: LaTeX". The > line under this should say something like "Command: %`%l%(mode)%' %t". > This, believe it or not, is the command that auctex executes when you > have it latex your file. All those %... get substituted with something > before the command is executed. If you want to figure out what go to > the bottom of the buffer where there is documentation about each > element, find the second element documentation and click on > "TeX-expand-list". After thoroughly satisfying yourself that this is > just as confusing go back to "Command: %`%l%(mode)%' %t". > 6. Replace the command so it now reads "Command: pdflatex --synctex > %t" or whatever it should look like based on what is successful on the > command line (maybe -interaction=nonstopmode also?). This will > eliminate some of the nifty automatic things auctex can do like change > the command based on whether you want dvi or pdf output, etc. Elisp > gurus will create a new substitution to include in Tex-expand-list > include that in the Command and create a synctex mode to determine > whether to run it with synctex. Knock yourself out with that if you > wish. > 7. Near the top of the buffer click on the "Set for Current Session" > button. If you want to save it for future sessions click on "Save for > Future Sessions". > 8. Go back to the buffer with you tex file and latex it. > 9. If it fails go back to the Tex Command List buffer, edit the > command until it works or click the "Erase Customiztion" button to go > back to original defaults (this may erase any other customizations in > Tex Command List done previously. I never did say thank you for this. I did slightly different from this. I used the Customize AUCTeX:teX Command:Latex Command menu item after noting that there were a lot of '%' signs that I didn't understand (and didn't feel like disturbing after my first attempts didn't work). All I had to do there was change pdflatex to pdflatex -synctex=1 Much nicer. Thanks for guiding me through. It had been a while. Joe From zaccone at bucknell.edu Thu Aug 14 13:43:21 2008 From: zaccone at bucknell.edu (Rick Zaccone) Date: Thu Aug 14 14:47:05 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] synctex in Aquamacs In-Reply-To: <89CCC95B-D230-428A-85C6-5B5AC7A4EEC9@wright.edu> References: <9053CB2F-2E32-4346-A7A2-126EA13801E0@wright.edu> <8498CDAE-6E89-4619-A38B-8830AFDA99F7@Web.DE> <3BDD5F93-74C9-4F00-AA39-8A3648CF91D7@wright.edu> <71C78666-2148-44EE-94EA-DA2C6610747F@Web.DE> <9ab34dfc0807290829j1e7d4329mfbe3add3edbf9a34@mail.gmail.com> <89CCC95B-D230-428A-85C6-5B5AC7A4EEC9@wright.edu> Message-ID: <06A04BA8-69C3-4515-899C-926F99EDF141@bucknell.edu> > I never did say thank you for this. I did slightly different from > this. I used the > Customize AUCTeX:teX Command:Latex Command > menu item after noting that there were a lot of '%' signs that I > didn't understand (and didn't feel like disturbing after my first > attempts didn't work). All I had to do there was change > pdflatex > to > pdflatex -synctex=1 > > Much nicer. > > Thanks for guiding me through. It had been a while. > Joe Now that Skim now has support for SyncTeX, I would like to get this to work too. Which version of Aquamacs are you using? I'm using 1.5RC2. If I select Customize AUCTeX -> Tex Command -> LaTeX Command, the current value is latex, not pdflatex. I format my documents from within Aquamacs and it uses pdflatex. Why is the value not pdflatex? If I try invoking pdflatex from the command line with pdflatex -synctex=1 it tells me pdflatex: unrecognized option `-synctex=1' This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6) Do I need a newer version of pdflatex? Rick From joseph.slater at wright.edu Thu Aug 14 15:02:37 2008 From: joseph.slater at wright.edu (Joseph C. Slater PE, PhD) Date: Thu Aug 14 15:02:41 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] synctex in Aquamacs In-Reply-To: <06A04BA8-69C3-4515-899C-926F99EDF141@bucknell.edu> References: <9053CB2F-2E32-4346-A7A2-126EA13801E0@wright.edu> <8498CDAE-6E89-4619-A38B-8830AFDA99F7@Web.DE> <3BDD5F93-74C9-4F00-AA39-8A3648CF91D7@wright.edu> <71C78666-2148-44EE-94EA-DA2C6610747F@Web.DE> <9ab34dfc0807290829j1e7d4329mfbe3add3edbf9a34@mail.gmail.com> <89CCC95B-D230-428A-85C6-5B5AC7A4EEC9@wright.edu> <06A04BA8-69C3-4515-899C-926F99EDF141@bucknell.edu> Message-ID: <8F1DBC0B-102A-4D8C-A467-3F24C525BF7C@wright.edu> On Aug 14, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Rick Zaccone wrote: >> I never did say thank you for this. I did slightly different from >> this. I used the >> Customize AUCTeX:teX Command:Latex Command >> menu item after noting that there were a lot of '%' signs that I >> didn't understand (and didn't feel like disturbing after my first >> attempts didn't work). All I had to do there was change >> pdflatex >> to >> pdflatex -synctex=1 >> >> Much nicer. >> >> Thanks for guiding me through. It had been a while. >> Joe > > Now that Skim now has support for SyncTeX, I would like to get this > to work too. > > Which version of Aquamacs are you using? I'm using 1.5RC2. If I > select Customize AUCTeX -> Tex Command -> LaTeX Command, the current > value is latex, not pdflatex. I format my documents from within > Aquamacs and it uses pdflatex. Why is the value not pdflatex? My bad. I believe the default output of latex is now pdf, so calling pdflatex is not necessary anymore. latex is actually an alias to pdftex . However, that should have worked. My entry actually reads latex -synctex=1 > > > If I try invoking pdflatex from the command line with > > pdflatex -synctex=1 > > it tells me > > pdflatex: unrecognized option `-synctex=1' > This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6) > > Do I need a newer version of pdflatex? Yes. Unfortunately right now it means building it yourself. MacTeX isn't out yet. Heck, TeXLive 2008 is still in testing. I'm just a maniac! It's download and build from http://tug.org/texlive/ acquire.html as far as I know. Joe From david.reitter at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 15:02:50 2008 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Thu Aug 14 15:03:00 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] synctex in Aquamacs In-Reply-To: <06A04BA8-69C3-4515-899C-926F99EDF141@bucknell.edu> References: <9053CB2F-2E32-4346-A7A2-126EA13801E0@wright.edu> <8498CDAE-6E89-4619-A38B-8830AFDA99F7@Web.DE> <3BDD5F93-74C9-4F00-AA39-8A3648CF91D7@wright.edu> <71C78666-2148-44EE-94EA-DA2C6610747F@Web.DE> <9ab34dfc0807290829j1e7d4329mfbe3add3edbf9a34@mail.gmail.com> <89CCC95B-D230-428A-85C6-5B5AC7A4EEC9@wright.edu> <06A04BA8-69C3-4515-899C-926F99EDF141@bucknell.edu> Message-ID: <582C07E3-8E81-445B-BCA9-E01536C7A1B7@gmail.com> On 14 Aug 2008, at 18:43, Rick Zaccone wrote: > > If I try invoking pdflatex from the command line with > > pdflatex -synctex=1 > > it tells me > > pdflatex: unrecognized option `-synctex=1' > This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6) > > Do I need a newer version of pdflatex? TexLive (MacTex) 2007 is the current version, and synctex is not yet supported. It will be included in the 2008 release, which is not yet available. AUCTeX per se does not include synctex support either in its current release beyond the customization variable that was mentioned here. That's why Aquamacs does not support it yet. Why are you keen on switching to synctex? What are the advantages over pdfsync? I quickly checked the available info on their site, and it doesn't seem like they mention any specific advantages... -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20080814/f5c5879d/smime.bin From zaccone at bucknell.edu Thu Aug 14 16:02:07 2008 From: zaccone at bucknell.edu (Rick Zaccone) Date: Thu Aug 14 16:02:16 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] synctex in Aquamacs In-Reply-To: <582C07E3-8E81-445B-BCA9-E01536C7A1B7@gmail.com> References: <9053CB2F-2E32-4346-A7A2-126EA13801E0@wright.edu> <8498CDAE-6E89-4619-A38B-8830AFDA99F7@Web.DE> <3BDD5F93-74C9-4F00-AA39-8A3648CF91D7@wright.edu> <71C78666-2148-44EE-94EA-DA2C6610747F@Web.DE> <9ab34dfc0807290829j1e7d4329mfbe3add3edbf9a34@mail.gmail.com> <89CCC95B-D230-428A-85C6-5B5AC7A4EEC9@wright.edu> <06A04BA8-69C3-4515-899C-926F99EDF141@bucknell.edu> <582C07E3-8E81-445B-BCA9-E01536C7A1B7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1FACBAD7-E219-47EB-B8CF-F704C4FF89FD@bucknell.edu> On Aug 14, 2008, at 2008-08-14, 3:02 PM, David Reitter wrote: > On 14 Aug 2008, at 18:43, Rick Zaccone wrote: >> >> If I try invoking pdflatex from the command line with >> >> pdflatex -synctex=1 >> >> it tells me >> >> pdflatex: unrecognized option `-synctex=1' >> This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6) >> >> Do I need a newer version of pdflatex? > > TexLive (MacTex) 2007 is the current version, and synctex is not yet > supported. It will be included in the 2008 release, which is not > yet available. > > AUCTeX per se does not include synctex support either in its current > release beyond the customization variable that was mentioned here. > > That's why Aquamacs does not support it yet. > > Why are you keen on switching to synctex? What are the advantages > over pdfsync? I quickly checked the available info on their site, > and it doesn't seem like they mention any specific advantages... I have had problems with pdfsync changing the format of my document. In at least one instance I spent a lot of time chasing down the problem. Rick From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE Thu Aug 14 18:51:24 2008 From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Thu Aug 14 18:51:31 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] synctex in Aquamacs In-Reply-To: <8F1DBC0B-102A-4D8C-A467-3F24C525BF7C@wright.edu> References: <9053CB2F-2E32-4346-A7A2-126EA13801E0@wright.edu> <8498CDAE-6E89-4619-A38B-8830AFDA99F7@Web.DE> <3BDD5F93-74C9-4F00-AA39-8A3648CF91D7@wright.edu> <71C78666-2148-44EE-94EA-DA2C6610747F@Web.DE> <9ab34dfc0807290829j1e7d4329mfbe3add3edbf9a34@mail.gmail.com> <89CCC95B-D230-428A-85C6-5B5AC7A4EEC9@wright.edu> <06A04BA8-69C3-4515-899C-926F99EDF141@bucknell.edu> <8F1DBC0B-102A-4D8C-A467-3F24C525BF7C@wright.edu> Message-ID: <24988291-A0E9-417C-8BED-CBF19E40E1D1@Web.DE> Am 14.08.2008 um 21:02 schrieb Joseph C. Slater PE, PhD: > I believe the default output of latex is now pdf, so calling > pdflatex is not necessary anymore. latex is actually an alias to > pdftex . Although the command latex is just a sym-link, its target, pdftex, reads and understands the original name by which it has been invoked. And then pdfTeX runs as latex and produces: DVI output. This is a kind behaviour, allowing us to use (some) micro-typography in DVI. -- Greetings Pete Don't just do something, sit there. From Alexander.Hamann at stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de Fri Aug 15 04:43:46 2008 From: Alexander.Hamann at stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Alex Hamann) Date: Fri Aug 15 05:09:13 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] synctex in Aquamacs In-Reply-To: <582C07E3-8E81-445B-BCA9-E01536C7A1B7@gmail.com> References: <9053CB2F-2E32-4346-A7A2-126EA13801E0@wright.edu> <8498CDAE-6E89-4619-A38B-8830AFDA99F7@Web.DE> <3BDD5F93-74C9-4F00-AA39-8A3648CF91D7@wright.edu> <71C78666-2148-44EE-94EA-DA2C6610747F@Web.DE> <9ab34dfc0807290829j1e7d4329mfbe3add3edbf9a34@mail.gmail.com> <89CCC95B-D230-428A-85C6-5B5AC7A4EEC9@wright.edu> <06A04BA8-69C3-4515-899C-926F99EDF141@bucknell.edu> <582C07E3-8E81-445B-BCA9-E01536C7A1B7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7E6D8664-C0A6-41DD-971C-DD580117E237@stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de> Am 14.08.2008 um 21:02 schrieb David Reitter: > > > Why are you keen on switching to synctex? What are the advantages > over pdfsync? I quickly checked the available info on their site, > and it doesn't seem like they mention any specific advantages... > > quoting Adam Maxwell's reply from a recent post on the skim mailing list to a similar question : >> Is there a reason to use synctex over pdfsync or are they apples >> and oranges? >> > > Among other reasons, synctex is built in to pdftex and xetex, it is > more > precise, does not require an external style, and doesn't alter the > layout of > your PDF file. It's also supported by viewers on Windows/Linux. > See the > links below for more info. indeed, it is primarily the fact that pdfsync sometimes had an inpact on the layout of the pdf (messing something up) that I am personally looking forward to using synctex. Cheers, Alex From david.reitter at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 06:09:55 2008 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Fri Aug 15 06:34:21 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] synctex in Aquamacs In-Reply-To: <7E6D8664-C0A6-41DD-971C-DD580117E237@stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de> References: <9053CB2F-2E32-4346-A7A2-126EA13801E0@wright.edu> <8498CDAE-6E89-4619-A38B-8830AFDA99F7@Web.DE> <3BDD5F93-74C9-4F00-AA39-8A3648CF91D7@wright.edu> <71C78666-2148-44EE-94EA-DA2C6610747F@Web.DE> <9ab34dfc0807290829j1e7d4329mfbe3add3edbf9a34@mail.gmail.com> <89CCC95B-D230-428A-85C6-5B5AC7A4EEC9@wright.edu> <06A04BA8-69C3-4515-899C-926F99EDF141@bucknell.edu> <582C07E3-8E81-445B-BCA9-E01536C7A1B7@gmail.com> <7E6D8664-C0A6-41DD-971C-DD580117E237@stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de> Message-ID: <545B2A7A-9525-4193-9191-D85141E9B952@gmail.com> On 15 Aug 2008, at 09:43, Alex Hamann wrote: > > indeed, it is primarily the fact that pdfsync sometimes had an > inpact on the layout of the pdf (messing something up) that I am > personally looking forward to using synctex. Good. AUCTeX will provide support for it in its next version (at least they have some support in their repository now), so we'll have that in Aquamacs as soon as they make a release. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is it possible to re-encode this file in > utf8, or is there some other workaround? > You can re-encode this in utf-8 (C-x RET f) and change the first line of the file to reflect that. You may also need the patch below (and recompile Aquamacs) to make it work upon startup. I'll make these changes in CVS after 1.5 has been released and when I receive your Croatian encoding. (It's a bit too risky to make those changes now.) - David *** osx_defaults.el 26 Jun 2008 22:41:32 +0100 1.69 --- osx_defaults.el 18 Aug 2008 13:27:40 +0100 *************** *** 262,268 **** (ats "osx key done") ;; need to enforce a coding system (problems with Jap locale otherwise) ! (let ((coding-system-for-read 'iso-latin-1-unix)) ;; not turned on by default (require 'emulate-mac-keyboard-mode) ) --- 267,273 ---- (ats "osx key done") ;; need to enforce a coding system (problems with Jap locale otherwise) ! 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I have this buffer list: . local.bib<2> 4308 BibTeX ~/Public/projects/ 089_HEC_H2interchange/report/local.bib 113_aar.tex 38113 PDFLaTeX/F ~/Public/projects/113/ report/113_aar.tex %* *toc* 617 TOC %* *compilation* 2264 Compilation:exit *scratch* 1 Text ~/Library/Application Support/ Aquamacs Emacs/scratch buffer * *Messages* 8994 Fundamental % tsd.bib 685471 BibTeX /usr/local/texlive/texmf- local/bibtex/bib/tsd.bib local.bib 6003 BibTeX ~/Public/projects/113/ report/local.bib * *~/Public/projects/1: 8617 LaTeX {9}: exit The Window menu item only shows the buffers down to *Messages* and doesn't include the buffer for either tsd.bib or local.bib. If this might be a bug I can try to reproduce it. Tom On Aug 11, 2008, at 5:59 AM, David Reitter wrote: > Dear Aquamacs users, > > Aquamacs 1.5 rc2 (preview version) is available for those who would > like to try out the latest features and bug fixes. > > Download: > > http://aquamacs.org/download.shtml > > Change Log: > > http://aquamacs.org/nightlies.shtml#changelog-latest > > > Please report bugs in Aquamacs via the usual channel (aquamacs-bugs@aquamacs.org > ). Thank you. > > > -- > http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X > http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor > and support the Aquamacs Project! > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk Mon Aug 18 21:23:33 2008 From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Miguel_Figueroa-O'Farrill?=) Date: Mon Aug 18 22:07:39 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 1.5rc2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 19 Aug 2008, at 02:33, Thomas S. Dye wrote: > Aloha all, > > The buffer list is different than the list of buffers displayed in > the Window menu item. > > I have this buffer list: > > . local.bib<2> 4308 BibTeX ~/Public/projects/ > 089_HEC_H2interchange/report/local.bib > 113_aar.tex 38113 PDFLaTeX/F ~/Public/projects/113/ > report/113_aar.tex > %* *toc* 617 TOC > %* *compilation* 2264 Compilation:exit > *scratch* 1 Text ~/Library/Application > Support/Aquamacs Emacs/scratch buffer > * *Messages* 8994 Fundamental > % tsd.bib 685471 BibTeX /usr/local/texlive/texmf- > local/bibtex/bib/tsd.bib > local.bib 6003 BibTeX ~/Public/projects/113/ > report/local.bib > * *~/Public/projects/1: 8617 LaTeX {9}: exit > > The Window menu item only shows the buffers down to *Messages* and > doesn't include the buffer for either tsd.bib or local.bib. > > If this might be a bug I can try to reproduce it. > > Tom I can corroborate that this is also the case with Aquamacs 1.5rc3. The Window menu item lists up to the *Messages* buffer and nothing beyond it. However, if I then to the *Buffer List* buffer and 'bury' *Messages*, the Window menu item does NOT list until *Messages*, but lists only 8 of the buffers, and NOT in the same order as in *Buffers List*. Cheers, José -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From vollmar at nf.mpg.de Wed Aug 20 15:47:47 2008 From: vollmar at nf.mpg.de (Stefan Vollmar) Date: Wed Aug 20 16:47:53 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 1.5rc3 shortcut A-1: problem when used in Tab-Mode Message-ID: Hi, in Aquamacs 1.5RC3, the aquamacs-delete-other-windows (A-1) works as before in Aquamacs 1.4 when not in Tab-Mode, reversing a previous split (e.g. created with C-x 2) and thus working similarly to delete- other-windows (C-x 1). However, when A-1 is executed in a split window in a frame with Tabs, the complete frame is deleted, rather than only the split portion of the current window. I have occasionally observed that tabbed buffers then appear in another frame with Tabs (which happened to be open). Using C-x 1 works as expected even if used in split windows inside a frame with Tabs. A-1 should behave like C-x 1 in that case, or am I mistaken? Best regards, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de From thaddeus at math.columbia.edu Wed Aug 20 23:43:39 2008 From: thaddeus at math.columbia.edu (Michael Thaddeus) Date: Thu Aug 21 00:19:44 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] LaTeX subscripts in Aquamacs Message-ID: Hi everyone, When I edit a LaTeX file in Aquamacs, it has the cutesy habit of rendering the input for subscripts and superscripts in a smaller font, so they look like actual subscripts or superscripts. E.g. in the expression e^{i \pi}, the text {i \pi} is rendered as a superscript. I dislike this for 2 reasons: (1) it is hard to read; (2) it can be misleading: e.g. the subscript of x_1 looks like -1. How can I customize Aquamacs (on Mac OS X) to prevent it from doing this? Many thanks... Michael From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE Thu Aug 21 02:52:45 2008 From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Thu Aug 21 02:53:00 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] LaTeX subscripts in Aquamacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39B84918-9C54-4894-B728-21E7600B3ABA@Web.DE> Am 21.08.2008 um 05:43 schrieb Michael Thaddeus: > in the > expression e^{i \pi}, the text {i \pi} is rendered as a superscript. > I dislike this for 2 reasons: The variable font-latex-fontify-script is documented in auctex.pdf. You can customise it. -- Greetings Pete ~ o ~_\\_/\ ~ O O From zaccone at bucknell.edu Thu Aug 21 10:35:48 2008 From: zaccone at bucknell.edu (Rick Zaccone) Date: Thu Aug 21 10:35:53 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 1.5RC3 Message-ID: I am using Aquamacs 1.5RC3. When I drop a file onto the Aquamacs icon, it opens the file in a new window, as it should. It also opens a scratch buffer in a new window and places that new window on top of the window it opened for the file I dropped. I don't know if this qualifies as a bug, but it is certainly annoying. How do I stop the scratch window from opening? Rick From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 21 11:34:47 2008 From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Miguel_Figueroa-O'Farrill?=) Date: Thu Aug 21 11:34:53 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 1.5RC3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B94F742-DF37-47CC-BE68-BF32A02A69A6@ed.ac.uk> On 21 Aug 2008, at 16:35, Rick Zaccone wrote: > I am using Aquamacs 1.5RC3. When I drop a file onto the Aquamacs > icon, it opens the file in a new window, as it should. It also > opens a scratch buffer in a new window and places that new window > on top of the window it opened for the file I dropped. I don't > know if this qualifies as a bug, but it is certainly annoying. How > do I stop the scratch window from opening? This is more than I can do! I drop a file onto the Aquamacs icon (a file which I created with Aquamacs and which the Finder identifies with an Aquamacs file icon) and nothing happens. This also happens with a vanilla instance of Aquamacs, launched without customisations. (I'm also using 1.5RC3.) I would like to help debug this, by the way, so I would appreciate any pointers as to how to go about it. Cheers, José Prof José Figueroa-O'Farrill School of Mathematics University of Edinburgh -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. From david.reitter at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 11:57:52 2008 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Thu Aug 21 12:04:46 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 1.5RC3 In-Reply-To: <2B94F742-DF37-47CC-BE68-BF32A02A69A6@ed.ac.uk> References: <2B94F742-DF37-47CC-BE68-BF32A02A69A6@ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <0D6EFC95-71BC-48B5-92C3-661F338BA169@gmail.com> On 21 Aug 2008, at 11:34, José Miguel Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote: > > On 21 Aug 2008, at 16:35, Rick Zaccone wrote: > >> I am using Aquamacs 1.5RC3. When I drop a file onto the Aquamacs >> icon, it opens the file in a new window, as it should. It also >> opens a scratch buffer in a new window and places that new window >> on top of the window it opened for the file I dropped. I don't >> know if this qualifies as a bug, but it is certainly annoying. How >> do I stop the scratch window from opening? > > This is more than I can do! I drop a file onto the Aquamacs icon (a > file which I created with Aquamacs and which the Finder identifies > with an Aquamacs file icon) and nothing happens. This also happens > with a vanilla instance of Aquamacs, launched without > customisations. (I'm also using 1.5RC3.) I would like to help > debug this, by the way, so I would appreciate any pointers as to how > to go about it. Please do look into it (I can't see it right now). Relevant pointers: - var: mac-apple-event-map - function that handles the d&d: mac-ae-open-documents perhaps it's this special-display-p check that was introduced recently. PS.: Rick, José, are you on aquamacs-devel? Let's take this there please! -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20080821/d19997c9/smime.bin From hashiru at chartermi.net Fri Aug 29 19:57:47 2008 From: hashiru at chartermi.net (Richard Vile) Date: Fri Aug 29 20:52:54 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Incremental search in Aquamacs 1.4 Message-ID: <37B844B8-AFBF-4B47-B0A8-22902FBC9E28@chartermi.net> Hi All, I recently started using 1.4 on my repaired iMac (internal drive failed before the box was a year old!) - I am annoyed by a changed behavior and I'd like to know: (a) Do others share my annoyance? (b) How do I turn the behavior back to the "old" way. The behavior in question is that when incremental search matches a string and you hit return to mark the place found, Aquamacs now also _selects_ that text. Moreover, when you ^s^s to repeat the search, it doesn't simply select the new match - it selects everything from the first match to the second match inclusive. I find it hard to believe that anyone would want this as the default. Is there something wrong with my installation, or was this a conscious decision. Help - I hate the way this works now. -- Dick Vile, at home in Dexter MI USA From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk Fri Aug 29 21:32:59 2008 From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Miguel_Figueroa-O'Farrill?=) Date: Fri Aug 29 22:01:11 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Incremental search in Aquamacs 1.4 In-Reply-To: <37B844B8-AFBF-4B47-B0A8-22902FBC9E28@chartermi.net> References: <37B844B8-AFBF-4B47-B0A8-22902FBC9E28@chartermi.net> Message-ID: <5A964FBD-BB26-4DEE-AA87-2C089DDB5308@ed.ac.uk> On 30 Aug 2008, at 01:57, Richard Vile wrote: > Hi All, > I recently started using 1.4 on my repaired iMac (internal drive > failed before the box was a year old!) - I am annoyed by a changed > behavior and I'd like to know: > > (a) Do others share my annoyance? Yes. > (b) How do I turn the behavior back to the "old" way. This is what David suggested when I ask the same question you did: (remove-hook 'isearch-mode-end-hook 'aquamacs-set-region-to-search- match) It has worked for me. Cheers, José Prof José Figueroa-O'Farrill School of Mathematics University of Edinburgh From kuepper.jochen at googlemail.com Sat Aug 30 04:03:34 2008 From: kuepper.jochen at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jochen_K=FCpper?=) Date: Sat Aug 30 04:24:17 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Incremental search in Aquamacs 1.4 In-Reply-To: <5A964FBD-BB26-4DEE-AA87-2C089DDB5308@ed.ac.uk> References: <37B844B8-AFBF-4B47-B0A8-22902FBC9E28@chartermi.net> <5A964FBD-BB26-4DEE-AA87-2C089DDB5308@ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <049A2771-CB07-4E11-9A53-F0B52F3C36D0@googlemail.com> On 30.08.2008, at 03:32, José Miguel Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote: > On 30 Aug 2008, at 01:57, Richard Vile wrote: > >> (a) Do others share my annoyance? > > Yes. Absolutely! I really like the fact that bundles (almost) all the stuff I need, but with this recent stream of opt-out changes I am seriously considering to use plain Carbon Emacs (or similar) instead... The really annoying thing about the changed iseqrch is tat you cannot simply start moving the cursor (and, for example start typing) from the match position, because your whole movement marks a region. >> (b) How do I turn the behavior back to the "old" way. > > This is what David suggested when I ask the same question you did: > > (remove-hook 'isearch-mode-end-hook 'aquamacs-set-region-to-search- > match) cool, now isearch works again;-) Greetings, Jochen -- Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit http://www.Jochen-Kuepper.de Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité GnuPG key: CC1B0B4D Sex, drugs and rock-n-roll From hashiru at chartermi.net Sat Aug 30 08:52:53 2008 From: hashiru at chartermi.net (Richard Vile) Date: Sat Aug 30 08:52:58 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Incremental search in Aquamacs 1.4 In-Reply-To: <049A2771-CB07-4E11-9A53-F0B52F3C36D0@googlemail.com> References: <37B844B8-AFBF-4B47-B0A8-22902FBC9E28@chartermi.net> <5A964FBD-BB26-4DEE-AA87-2C089DDB5308@ed.ac.uk> <049A2771-CB07-4E11-9A53-F0B52F3C36D0@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <182015A2-3DA7-44E2-834B-11A9BCDFBF1E@chartermi.net> Likewise, thanks! On Aug 30, 2008, at 4:03 AM, Jochen Küpper wrote: > >>> (b) How do I turn the behavior back to the "old" way. >> >> This is what David suggested when I ask the same question you did: >> >> (remove-hook 'isearch-mode-end-hook 'aquamacs-set-region-to-search- >> match) > > cool, now isearch works again;-) From david.reitter at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 09:00:16 2008 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sat Aug 30 09:00:27 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Incremental search in Aquamacs 1.4 In-Reply-To: <049A2771-CB07-4E11-9A53-F0B52F3C36D0@googlemail.com> References: <37B844B8-AFBF-4B47-B0A8-22902FBC9E28@chartermi.net> <5A964FBD-BB26-4DEE-AA87-2C089DDB5308@ed.ac.uk> <049A2771-CB07-4E11-9A53-F0B52F3C36D0@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <9E0377DE-3DD2-4DA7-96A9-0DF00E3DAE04@gmail.com> On 30 Aug 2008, at 04:03, Jochen Küpper wrote: > > The really annoying thing about the changed iseqrch is tat you > cannot simply start moving the cursor (and, for example start > typing) from the match position, because your whole movement marks a > region. That shouldn't be and is certainly a bug. However, I can't reproduce it: In an Aquamacs -q, loading a file and typing C-s a will carry out a search for "a". When you then press any arrow key, the region should go away; the second key press will move the cursor. And you can start typing right away: it just replaces the region. Would a modification such that C-s behaves exactly as before, and that Command-F/G will behave in the Mac-like way, provide a solution to your complaint? -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20080830/114613df/smime.bin From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk Sat Aug 30 09:08:42 2008 From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Miguel_Figueroa-O'Farrill?=) Date: Sat Aug 30 09:08:47 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Incremental search in Aquamacs 1.4 In-Reply-To: <9E0377DE-3DD2-4DA7-96A9-0DF00E3DAE04@gmail.com> References: <37B844B8-AFBF-4B47-B0A8-22902FBC9E28@chartermi.net> <5A964FBD-BB26-4DEE-AA87-2C089DDB5308@ed.ac.uk> <049A2771-CB07-4E11-9A53-F0B52F3C36D0@googlemail.com> <9E0377DE-3DD2-4DA7-96A9-0DF00E3DAE04@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 30 Aug 2008, at 15:00, David Reitter wrote: > And you can start typing right away: it just replaces the region. This behaviour is VERY dangerous. Perhaps it's Mac-like, but I think there should be a clear op-out for new users. I have disbled cua- mode in my .emacs for as long as that mode has been introduced. I believe in GNU emacs this mode is disabled by default. Cheers, José Prof José Figueroa-O'Farrill School of Mathematics University of Edinburgh From hashiru at chartermi.net Sat Aug 30 09:15:15 2008 From: hashiru at chartermi.net (Richard Vile) Date: Sat Aug 30 09:17:55 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Incremental search in Aquamacs 1.4 In-Reply-To: <9E0377DE-3DD2-4DA7-96A9-0DF00E3DAE04@gmail.com> References: <37B844B8-AFBF-4B47-B0A8-22902FBC9E28@chartermi.net> <5A964FBD-BB26-4DEE-AA87-2C089DDB5308@ed.ac.uk> <049A2771-CB07-4E11-9A53-F0B52F3C36D0@googlemail.com> <9E0377DE-3DD2-4DA7-96A9-0DF00E3DAE04@gmail.com> Message-ID: <24C4ECB0-CCE3-422E-A50E-DF3101CF8850@chartermi.net> Hi David, Yes - and note that my complaint included the behavior described by Jochen. I may not have made that clear. FWIW, I start aquamacs using a bash function as follows: function aquamacs() { open -a /Applications/Aquamacs/Aquamacs\ Emacs.app } Note that I store my app in a folder: /Applications/Aquamacs. Being a pack rat, I cache the old versions as I go along by renaming them with the version number as a suffix. I doubt that that alone could make the bug not reproduce in your sessions. I suspect it's probably more like some obscure interaction in your startup files, which in turn I suspect are fairly ornate. On Aug 30, 2008, at 9:00 AM, David Reitter wrote: > On 30 Aug 2008, at 04:03, Jochen Küpper wrote: >> >> The really annoying thing about the changed iseqrch is tat you >> cannot simply start moving the cursor (and, for example start >> typing) from the match position, because your whole movement marks >> a region. > > That shouldn't be and is certainly a bug. > > However, I can't reproduce it: > > In an Aquamacs -q, loading a file and typing C-s a will carry out a > search for "a". When you then press any arrow key, the region > should go away; the second key press will move the cursor. > And you can start typing right away: it just replaces the region. > > > Would a modification such that C-s behaves exactly as before, and > that Command-F/G will behave in the Mac-like way, provide a solution > to your complaint? > > > -- > http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X > http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor > and support the Aquamacs Project! > > > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx From hashiru at chartermi.net Sat Aug 30 09:30:48 2008 From: hashiru at chartermi.net (Richard Vile) Date: Sat Aug 30 09:30:51 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Incremental search in Aquamacs 1.4 In-Reply-To: References: <37B844B8-AFBF-4B47-B0A8-22902FBC9E28@chartermi.net> <5A964FBD-BB26-4DEE-AA87-2C089DDB5308@ed.ac.uk> <049A2771-CB07-4E11-9A53-F0B52F3C36D0@googlemail.com> <9E0377DE-3DD2-4DA7-96A9-0DF00E3DAE04@gmail.com> Message-ID: <10101BD8-A2EC-45A8-8D6E-F67B763D4B4E@chartermi.net> I agree. And while we're on this topic of Mac-like behavior and gradual migration to same in Aquamacs, let me make a small plea. I use both TextMate and Aquamacs. Textmate has a behavior that Allan Odgaard swears is the Mac convention and to me it's just plain wrong and annoying as the devil: By default, if you move your view in the text window, the cursor doesn't follow. So if you press home to move the view to the top of the file, the cursor stays where it is. In order to move both the view and the cursor, you must use cmd-uparrow. This is so massively counterintuitive that I often start typing thinking that my cursor is now at the beginning of the file. Perhaps 1 out of 10 or more times, this behavior is nice in that you can examine other parts of the file before editing the part where your cursor is, but I find that to be the exception rather than the rule. This behavior is carried over inconsistently. The pagedown key moves the view down a page without moving the cursor. To make the cursor follow the move, you have to use cntl-pagedown (cmd-pagedown has no effect!) This is baffling, confusing, insane and IMHO just plain flat out wrong. (Note: Windows editors get this right. As also they get the home and end keys "right" - i.e. the Windows conventions are better and far more useful. But don't get me started ;-) So, in summary my plea is: David please don't change the Aquamacs navigation conventions to be like TextMate! On Aug 30, 2008, at 9:08 AM, José Miguel Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote: > > On 30 Aug 2008, at 15:00, David Reitter wrote: > >> And you can start typing right away: it just replaces the region. > > This behaviour is VERY dangerous. Perhaps it's Mac-like, but I > think there should be a clear op-out for new users. I have disbled > cua-mode in my .emacs for as long as that mode has been introduced. > I believe in GNU emacs this mode is disabled by default. > > Cheers, José > > > > Prof José Figueroa-O'Farrill > School of Mathematics > University of Edinburgh > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx From david.reitter at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 19:26:18 2008 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sat Aug 30 19:26:28 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Incremental search in Aquamacs 1.4 In-Reply-To: <24C4ECB0-CCE3-422E-A50E-DF3101CF8850@chartermi.net> References: <37B844B8-AFBF-4B47-B0A8-22902FBC9E28@chartermi.net> <5A964FBD-BB26-4DEE-AA87-2C089DDB5308@ed.ac.uk> <049A2771-CB07-4E11-9A53-F0B52F3C36D0@googlemail.com> <9E0377DE-3DD2-4DA7-96A9-0DF00E3DAE04@gmail.com> <24C4ECB0-CCE3-422E-A50E-DF3101CF8850@chartermi.net> Message-ID: <6368069D-681F-436F-8870-77C68CD0B897@gmail.com> On 30 Aug 2008, at 09:15, Richard Vile wrote: > > > I doubt that that alone could make the bug not reproduce in your > sessions. I suspect it's probably more like some obscure interaction > in your startup files, which in turn I suspect are fairly ornate. Well... >> In an Aquamacs -q, loading a file and typing C-s a will carry out >> a search for "a". When you then press any arrow key, the region >> should go away; the second key press that's what I meant by Aquamacs -q. The "rc" versions have a function in the Help menu to start Aquamacs with the "-q" parameter, which will keep it from loading any user-specific things. My own preferences are fairly small, actually. I believe I myself should eat what I give Aquamacs users.. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! From david.reitter at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 19:27:45 2008 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sat Aug 30 19:34:37 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Incremental search in Aquamacs 1.4 In-Reply-To: References: <37B844B8-AFBF-4B47-B0A8-22902FBC9E28@chartermi.net> <5A964FBD-BB26-4DEE-AA87-2C089DDB5308@ed.ac.uk> <049A2771-CB07-4E11-9A53-F0B52F3C36D0@googlemail.com> <9E0377DE-3DD2-4DA7-96A9-0DF00E3DAE04@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 30 Aug 2008, at 09:08, José Miguel Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote: >> >> And you can start typing right away: it just replaces the region. > > This behaviour is VERY dangerous. Perhaps it's Mac-like, but I > think there should be a clear op-out for new users. I have disbled > cua-mode in my .emacs for as long as that mode has been introduced. > I believe in GNU emacs this mode is disabled by default. Turning cua-mode off is the opt-out. But why is it dangerous? Overwriting a chunk of text is easily undoable. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I believe it is largely annoying when using the keyboard only (i.e., the PgUp/PgDown mapping), but it is a useful feature when you make use of the mouse (a default assumption on the Mac). Unlike the Emacs way of doing things, it does not require you to know a mechanism to store the current cursor position, such as the Mark ring or the relatively long bindings for bookmarks. There are currently no concrete plans to change the behavior in Aquamacs (and it would be technically challenging), but if and when we do, there will be a simple switch to go back to the old mode. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! On 30 Aug 2008, at 09:30, Richard Vile wrote: > I agree. And while we're on this topic of Mac-like behavior and > gradual migration to same in Aquamacs, let me make a small plea. > > I use both TextMate and Aquamacs. Textmate has a behavior that Allan > Odgaard swears is the Mac convention and to me it's just plain wrong > and annoying as the devil: > > By default, if you move your view in the text window, the cursor > doesn't follow. So if you press home to move the view to the top of > the file, the cursor stays where it is. In order to move both the > view and the cursor, you must use cmd-uparrow. This is so massively > counterintuitive that I often start typing thinking that my cursor > is now at the beginning of the file. Perhaps 1 out of 10 or more > times, this behavior is nice in that you can examine other parts of > the file before editing the part where your cursor is, but I find > that to be the exception rather than the rule. > > This behavior is carried over inconsistently. The pagedown key moves > the view down a page without moving the cursor. To make the cursor > follow the move, you have to use cntl-pagedown (cmd-pagedown has no > effect!) > > This is baffling, confusing, insane and IMHO just plain flat out > wrong. (Note: Windows editors get this right. As also they get the > home and end keys "right" - i.e. the Windows conventions are better > and far more useful. But don't get me started ;-) > > So, in summary my plea is: David please don't change the Aquamacs > navigation conventions to be like TextMate! > > > On Aug 30, 2008, at 9:08 AM, José Miguel Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote: > >> >> On 30 Aug 2008, at 15:00, David Reitter wrote: >> >>> And you can start typing right away: it just replaces the region. >> >> This behaviour is VERY dangerous. Perhaps it's Mac-like, but I >> think there should be a clear op-out for new users. I have disbled >> cua-mode in my .emacs for as long as that mode has been >> introduced. I believe in GNU emacs this mode is disabled by default. >> >> Cheers, José >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20080831/2f05219c/smime.bin From david.reitter at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 20:16:30 2008 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sun Aug 31 20:16:39 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Incremental search in Aquamacs 1.4 In-Reply-To: <37B844B8-AFBF-4B47-B0A8-22902FBC9E28@chartermi.net> References: <37B844B8-AFBF-4B47-B0A8-22902FBC9E28@chartermi.net> Message-ID: <66F652AF-A450-4403-BDB9-F71F49B1A2F9@gmail.com> Richard et al, the current development builds have had the `set-region-to-isearch- match' customization variable for a while. I have now also modified the bindings such that C-s and C-r will, in the default setting, not cause the region to be set. Command-f/g/G will set the region as is customary on the Mac. Please try out the nightly builds on http://aquamacs.org/nightlies.shtml to see if this matches your expectations; the Intel build already contains the changes, the PPC build will be up to date by tomorrow. - David -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! On 29 Aug 2008, at 19:57, Richard Vile wrote: > Hi All, > I recently started using 1.4 on my repaired iMac (internal drive > failed before the box was a year old!) - I am annoyed by a changed > behavior and I'd like to know: > > (a) Do others share my annoyance? > (b) How do I turn the behavior back to the "old" way. > > The behavior in question is that when incremental search matches a > string and you hit return to mark the place found, Aquamacs now also > _selects_ that text. Moreover, when you ^s^s to repeat the search, > it doesn't simply select the new match - it selects everything from > the first match to the second match inclusive. > > I find it hard to believe that anyone would want this as the > default. Is there something wrong with my installation, or was this > a conscious decision. > > Help - I hate the way this works now. > > -- Dick Vile, at home in Dexter MI USA > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20080831/55b1ca06/smime.bin From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk Sun Aug 31 20:23:50 2008 From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Miguel_Figueroa-O'Farrill?=) Date: Sun Aug 31 20:23:57 2008 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Incremental search in Aquamacs 1.4 In-Reply-To: <66F652AF-A450-4403-BDB9-F71F49B1A2F9@gmail.com> References: <37B844B8-AFBF-4B47-B0A8-22902FBC9E28@chartermi.net> <66F652AF-A450-4403-BDB9-F71F49B1A2F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1 Sep 2008, at 02:16, David Reitter wrote: > Richard et al, > > the current development builds have had the `set-region-to-isearch- > match' customization variable for a while. > > I have now also modified the bindings such that C-s and C-r will, > in the default setting, not cause the region to be set. Command-f/ > g/G will set the region as is customary on the Mac. Please try > out the nightly builds on http://aquamacs.org/nightlies.shtml to > see if this matches your expectations; the Intel build already > contains the changes, the PPC build will be up to date by tomorrow. Being still on PPC, I'll check this out tomorrow. Having said this, I think that what you ahve done is a very good idea: Mac-like key bindings should ellicit Mac-like behaviour, traditional emacs key bindings should not. Cheers, José Prof José Figueroa-O'Farrill School of Mathematics University of Edinburgh