From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Sat Nov  1 06:57:03 2008
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Sat Nov  1 06:57:14 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Binding the command key in current Emacs.app
In-Reply-To: <e6db5cef0810311710y78b6a8d2m438fd563ab2d641b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e6db5cef0810311710y78b6a8d2m438fd563ab2d641b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A51B08CB-C71E-47E1-836F-7F8E0A2BBE3E@Web.DE>


Am 01.11.2008 um 01:10 schrieb Alex Payne:

> Does the "{" key need to be specified in some other way, or perhaps  
> escaped?


I don't know exactly! Already years ago I observed that quite a few  
such straight-forward settings did not work and it only worked to set:

	(global-set-key [C-s-268632070] 'forward-sexp)

which I also had in Solaris with GNU Emacs 21.x? To achieve this  
setting you'd need to bind the key first manually and then invoke  
repeat-last-command to kill the line from mini-buffer and insert it  
into .emacs, like:

	C-x Esc-Esc  C-a  C-k C-g  C-x C-f .emacs RET C-y C-x C-s

There is now a way or syntax to make key bindings clear and work:

	(global-set-key (kbd "C-©")	 'global-set-key)

and it does not always work in Emacs.app! © is no my German  
keyboard ?-G, which works in all Emacsen, the X clients with major- 
numbers 21?23, Carbon Emacs, and also Emacs.app. But binding the key  
C-© does *not* work in the latter, at least not from the user's init  
file. One problem I observed is that the number as in my first  
example is varying! (With the number of extra key bindings I add?  
Some numbers of key combinations are stable, OTOH ...)


On my German keyboard I cannot simply press s-} (it would be  
???-9). I tested your key binding by putting

	(global-set-key [(meta ?})]		'transpose-sexps)

in my .emacs file. s-} is already bound ? try C-h b! When I then  
type C-h k Esc } I get the answer (shortened)

	transpose-sexps, bound to M-}, C-M-t.

In X11 and in Carbon Emacs M-} does not work, i.e., this key  
combination does not seem to produce an input event in GNU Emacsen.  
If you'd like to experiment with M-} or s-}, here are some  
combinations I tried for C-©:

	(global-set-key (kbd "C-©")	'global-set-key)
	(global-set-key [(control ?©)]	'global-set-key)
	(global-set-key [?\C-©]		'global-set-key)
	(global-set-key [C-©]		'global-set-key)
	(global-set-key [A-C-g]		'global-set-key)
	(global-set-key [(alt control ?g)]	'global-set-key)

which show the many ways to achieve a key binding. In X11 or Carbon  
Emacs C-h k C-© tells me about global-set-key:

	It is bound to C-©, <C-©>, <A-C-g>, A-C-g.

So some expressions are obviously equivalent, and all work, of  
course ... Actually, among the "Key translations" listed upon C-h b I  
have in Emacsp.app:

	A-C-g		global-set-key
	C-©		global-set-key
	<A-C-g>		global-set-key
	<C-©>		global-set-key

but I can't access or type or make function any!


Maybe we should submit some bug reports about key binding related  
failures!

--
Greetings

   Pete

There are three types of people in this world: those who can count,  
and those who cannot.


From ljz at asfast.com  Sat Nov  1 19:44:45 2008
From: ljz at asfast.com (Lloyd Zusman)
Date: Sat Nov  1 19:44:59 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] NSEmacs: copying and pasting long lines without the
	backslash
Message-ID: <loom.20081101T232944-970@post.gmane.org>

I'm using "NSEmacs" under Mac OS 10.5. This is emacs version 23.0.60.1

I want to be able to type long lines in emacs and then select them
in a such way so that when I copy and paste them into a different
application, each long line gets copied as is, without being split
and without the backslash character at the end of each of the split
lines.

For example, if I type a 300-character line in emacs without line
breaks in an emacs window that's 80 characters wide, and if I select
it in emacs and paste it into another program (using Command-C and
Command-V to copy and then paste), I don't want it to look like this
when it ends up in the other program:

The first 79 chars \
the next 79 chars  \
the next 79 chars  \
the next 63 chars

If I use the normal yank-kill emacs mechanism, the copied line doesn't
end up in the Mac OS paste buffer. Is there another way to select text in
"NSEmacs" under Mac OS 10.5 so that it can be copied and pasted outside
of emacs without the line breaks?

Thanks in advance.


-- 
 Lloyd Zusman
 ljz@asfast.com
 God bless you


From ljz at asfast.com  Sat Nov  1 22:05:18 2008
From: ljz at asfast.com (Lloyd Zusman)
Date: Sun Nov  2 01:05:33 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: NSEmacs: copying and pasting long lines without
	the	backslash
References: <loom.20081101T232944-970@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <loom.20081102T020218-164@post.gmane.org>

Lloyd Zusman <ljz <at> asfast.com> writes:

> 
> I'm using "NSEmacs" under Mac OS 10.5. This is emacs version 23.0.60.1
> 
> I want to be able to type long lines in emacs and then select them
> in a such way so that when I copy and paste them into a different
> application, each long line gets copied as is, without being split
> and without the backslash character at the end of each of the split
> lines.
> 
> [ ... ]

I just now found the answer: I just need to invoke the function
`ns-copy-including-secondary'. It copies the marked region into the
Mac's paste buffer. This function is part of the underlying NeXTStep
(GNUStep) code that's used within NSEmacs.


-- 
 Lloyd Zusman
 ljz@asfast.com
 God bless you.




From ljz at asfast.com  Sun Nov  2 10:31:38 2008
From: ljz at asfast.com (Lloyd Zusman)
Date: Sun Nov  2 10:31:53 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8? (was: NSEmacs: copying and
	pasting long lines without the backslash)
References: <loom.20081101T232944-970@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <loom.20081102T151552-71@post.gmane.org>

Lloyd Zusman <ljz <at> asfast.com> writes:

> [ ... ]
> 
> I want to be able to type long lines in emacs and then select them
> in a such way so that when I copy and paste them into a different
> application, each long line gets copied as is, without being split
> and without the backslash character at the end of each of the split
> lines.
>
> [ ... ]

Well, I found an incomplete solution. The NeXTStep (GNUStep) code that
NSEmacs is built on offers this function: `ns-copy-including-secondary'.
It does the same thing as `kill-ring-save', and in addition, it puts
the text into the Mac's paste buffer.

The problem with this function is that it doesn't work when I'm using
8-bit ASCII text. I use this a lot with the ISO-8859-1 encoding in
order to write text that includes characters with Spanish diacritical
marks. As soon as `ns-copy-including-secondary' encounters one of these
special characters, it fails and leaves the Mac's paste buffer empty.

I looked through the source code, and I think that this function is
somehow expecting the pasted text to be in UTF-8, or at least to be
convertable into that encoding. This begs a new question: is there
a function in Emacs 23.0.60.1 which will convert an ISO-8859-1 string
into UTF-8? If so, I can write my own version of
`ns-copy-including-secondary' which performs this conversion before
putting the text into the secondary paste buffer.

Thanks again, in advance.

-- 
 Lloyd Zusman
 ljz@asfast.com
 God bless you.




From ljz at asfast.com  Sun Nov  2 14:59:53 2008
From: ljz at asfast.com (Lloyd Zusman)
Date: Sun Nov  2 15:00:13 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8? (was: NSEmacs: copying
	and	pasting long lines without the backslash)
References: <loom.20081101T232944-970@post.gmane.org>
	<loom.20081102T151552-71@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <loom.20081102T194921-792@post.gmane.org>

Lloyd Zusman <ljz <at> asfast.com> writes:

> [ ... ] This begs a new question: is there
> a function in Emacs 23.0.60.1 which will convert an ISO-8859-1 string
> into UTF-8? [ ... ]

I figured it out:

(defun my-convert-for-ns-emacs-kill-buffer (text)
  (decode-coding-string
   (string-as-unibyte (encode-coding-string (string-as-multibyte text) 'utf-8))
   'iso-8859-1))

(defadvice kill-region
  (around kill-region freeze)
  (let ((buffer-substring-filters (list 'my-convert-for-ns-emacs-kill-buffer)))
    ad-do-it))

(defadvice kill-ring-save
  (around kill-ring-save freeze)
  (let ((buffer-substring-filters (list 'my-convert-for-ns-emacs-kill-buffer)))
    ad-do-it))

(defadvice ns-copy-including-secondary
  (around ns-copy-including-secondary freeze)
  (let ((buffer-substring-filters (list 'my-convert-for-ns-emacs-kill-buffer)))
    ad-do-it))

This causes all of the cutting and copying operations in NSEmacs to
copy the text into the emacs kill buffer and also into the Mac's
paste buffer in a format that allows me to paste it into other
applications, even if it contains 8-bit characters.

-- 
 Lloyd Zusman
 ljz@asfast.com
 God bless you.


From pdfinn at uwm.edu  Sun Nov  2 18:04:38 2008
From: pdfinn at uwm.edu (pdfinn@uwm.edu)
Date: Sun Nov  2 20:07:43 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Emacs make-frame-on-display not working
Message-ID: <m1y701ybjt.wl%pdfinn@uwm.edu>


Hello everyone,

I'm using Emacs 22.1 under Apple's X11, on Tiger; attempting to
connect to another computer running Tiger and Apple's X11.

(This is the first time I have tried to use the make-frame-on-display
feature, and am a bit foggy about X11 nuances.)  Emacs will make a frame
on my own XServer successfully, but attempting to make a frame on
another computer results in the complaint:

x-create-frame-with-faces: cannot connect to X server

The two machines have a working network connection; and I can display
XClients from one machine on the other's XServer via ssh---so I know
XForwarding is operational.

Emacs gives the same complaint with firewalls down, so it does not seem
to be a firewall issue either.  Machine address are specified in xhosts.

Does anyone have any ideas what I should look into next?

Thanks!
Peter
From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Mon Nov  3 04:18:46 2008
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Mon Nov  3 04:18:56 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Emacs make-frame-on-display not working
In-Reply-To: <m1y701ybjt.wl%pdfinn@uwm.edu>
References: <m1y701ybjt.wl%pdfinn@uwm.edu>
Message-ID: <6A7300C3-9D4E-4DD7-8FBB-4105BA0AEED9@Web.DE>


Am 03.11.2008 um 00:04 schrieb pdfinn:

> Does anyone have any ideas what I should look into next?


On the remote host you need to enable your local computer and/or your  
local account. The xhost programme does this. SSH is IMO a one-way  
street: an X client on the remote computer is allowed to use your  
local X server (I think the -L option of ssh would allow your local  
client access to the remote server). The communication between  
between the remote client and your local server is then made secure.  
Inherently your remote account at the remote host is allowed to use  
your local server.

--
Greetings

   Pete

UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are.


From pdfinn at uwm.edu  Tue Nov  4 12:35:16 2008
From: pdfinn at uwm.edu (pdfinn@uwm.edu)
Date: Tue Nov  4 13:42:45 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Emacs make-frame-on-display not working
In-Reply-To: <6A7300C3-9D4E-4DD7-8FBB-4105BA0AEED9@Web.DE>
References: <m1y701ybjt.wl%pdfinn@uwm.edu>
	<6A7300C3-9D4E-4DD7-8FBB-4105BA0AEED9@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <m1prlbxuln.wl%pdfinn@uwm.edu>


Thanks for the reply, and suggestions!

At Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:18:46 +0100,
Peter Dyballa wrote:

> SSH is IMO a one-way  
> street: an X client on the remote computer is allowed to use your  
> local X server (I think the -L option of ssh would allow your local  
> client access to the remote server).

So if I understand you rightly, the correct procedure for enabling a
local Emacs to project frames on a remote display (after setting the
xhost list) is to establish a ssh tunnel forwarding the X11 port from
the local to the remote computer using something like:

ssh -XL 6000:remoteHost:6000 -l user -N remoteHost

And this will avoid messing around with the DISPLAY environmental
variable on the remote computer?

Am I correct in thinking this /does not/ require an opening in the OSX
firewall for port 6000, since ssh catch the packets before they are
filtered?

Thanks!
Peter
From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Tue Nov  4 19:13:37 2008
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Tue Nov  4 19:13:47 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Emacs make-frame-on-display not working
In-Reply-To: <m1prlbxuln.wl%pdfinn@uwm.edu>
References: <m1y701ybjt.wl%pdfinn@uwm.edu>
	<6A7300C3-9D4E-4DD7-8FBB-4105BA0AEED9@Web.DE>
	<m1prlbxuln.wl%pdfinn@uwm.edu>
Message-ID: <6D947E9B-73C1-4265-ACD6-FC1072F98662@Web.DE>


Am 04.11.2008 um 18:35 schrieb pdfinn:

> ssh -XL 6000:remoteHost:6000 -l user -N remoteHost

-Y is recommended. Did you check that -N is necessary?

>
> And this will avoid messing around with the DISPLAY environmental
> variable on the remote computer?

No, it won't! You're running already an X server on your local host.  
It will be something like :0. The remote host will have another  
number, :1 perhaps, or :0.1.

>
> Am I correct in thinking this /does not/ require an opening in the OSX
> firewall for port 6000, since ssh catch the packets before they are
> filtered?


I don't think so. SSH is just another application. The ssh programme  
has the -v or -vv or -vvv option to find the cause of a failure.  
There can also be restrictions from the ssh configuration files on  
local and on remote host!

I'm no OpenSSH guru. You'll find on the regular GNU Emacs list  
mailto:help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org better support.

--
Greetings

   Pete

The box said "Use Windows 95 or better," so I got a Macintosh.


From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp  Thu Nov  6 05:55:25 2008
From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary)
Date: Thu Nov  6 06:13:58 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] interactive spellchecking ?
Message-ID: <D7668A45-80B7-4C29-AD0C-12EF8CD289CB@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>

I'm trying "spellcheck as you type" and wondered how to correct an  
underlined word only with the keyboard.





Jean-Christophe Helary

------------------------------------
http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/

From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 08:08:40 2008
From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham)
Date: Thu Nov  6 08:08:44 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] interactive spellchecking ?
In-Reply-To: <D7668A45-80B7-4C29-AD0C-12EF8CD289CB@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
References: <D7668A45-80B7-4C29-AD0C-12EF8CD289CB@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <20ecf6c70811060508j6e6900b0o2727addd3c5fbe28@mail.gmail.com>

(flyspell-correct-word-before-point) is bound to C-c $

--Nathaniel

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:55 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary <
fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> wrote:

> I'm trying "spellcheck as you type" and wondered how to correct an
> underlined word only with the keyboard.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jean-Christophe Helary
>
> ------------------------------------
> http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/
>
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From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp  Thu Nov  6 08:30:36 2008
From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary)
Date: Thu Nov  6 08:45:18 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] interactive spellchecking ?
In-Reply-To: <20ecf6c70811060508j6e6900b0o2727addd3c5fbe28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D7668A45-80B7-4C29-AD0C-12EF8CD289CB@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
	<20ecf6c70811060508j6e6900b0o2727addd3c5fbe28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31DFC6E9-6D2B-49B9-9D6E-33AC85ACB267@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>

Nathaniel,

Thanks for the information.

Bonus question: what is the process that would have had me discover  
that myself ?

On jeudi 06 nov. 08, at 22:08, Nathaniel Cunningham wrote:

> (flyspell-correct-word-before-point) is bound to C-c $
>
> --Nathaniel
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:55 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary <
> fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> wrote:
>
>> I'm trying "spellcheck as you type" and wondered how to correct an
>> underlined word only with the keyboard.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jean-Christophe Helary
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>> http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/
From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 09:44:09 2008
From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham)
Date: Thu Nov  6 09:44:16 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] interactive spellchecking ?
In-Reply-To: <31DFC6E9-6D2B-49B9-9D6E-33AC85ACB267@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
References: <D7668A45-80B7-4C29-AD0C-12EF8CD289CB@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
	<20ecf6c70811060508j6e6900b0o2727addd3c5fbe28@mail.gmail.com>
	<31DFC6E9-6D2B-49B9-9D6E-33AC85ACB267@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <20ecf6c70811060644q3071570ch5e2a98405a67f247@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:30 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary <
fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> wrote:

> Nathaniel,
>
> Thanks for the information.
>
> Bonus question: what is the process that would have had me discover that
> myself ?
>

Here was the sequence that led me to it:

-Turn on "check spelling as you type"
-put the mouse cursor over a misspelled/underlined word
-since right-click (mouse 3) gives the list of possible corrections, find
what command it runs: C-h k <mouse-3>.  The result: flyspell-correct-word
-try M-x flyspell-correct-word.  Doesn't work; requires a mouse event.
-click in the Help buffer on `flyspell.el' to see the source code for this
function.
-see that flyspell-correct-word simply sets point (temporarily) to the
location of the mouse click, then calls flyspell-correct-word-before-point
-try M-x flyspell-correct-word-before-point.  Success!
-use C-h f flyspell-correct-word-before-point to see if it has a keyboard
binding, and it does.

--Nathaniel
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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 10:03:06 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Thu Nov  6 10:34:02 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] interactive spellchecking ?
In-Reply-To: <31DFC6E9-6D2B-49B9-9D6E-33AC85ACB267@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
References: <D7668A45-80B7-4C29-AD0C-12EF8CD289CB@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
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Message-ID: <8848B196-2F90-4229-A8A5-398E2B81CD53@gmail.com>

On 6 Nov 2008, at 08:30, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
>
> Bonus question: what is the process that would have had me discover  
> that myself ?

Either using Nathaniel's procedure (which is roughly what I would have  
done), or, alternatively:

- We know that this spell-checking is handled by "flyspell".
- Type M-x flyspell- TAB  to find the commands whose names begin with  
"flyspell-".
- Pick the most promising one, flyspell-word-before-point
- C-h f flyspell-word-before-point RET to find the key binding.


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From ian at digg.com  Sat Nov  8 16:07:17 2008
From: ian at digg.com (Ian Eure)
Date: Mon Nov 10 10:03:12 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Keybindings question
Message-ID: <7ACDC210-EC5F-4BB5-84C8-CBAE20E19EE9@digg.com>

As I've been using Aquamacs, if I wanted to define a global binding,  
I've been setting it in osx-key-mode-map. However, I want to make my  
customizations less dependent on any specific emacs. So I changed  
these to use (define-key (current-global-map)), and now they don't  
work when there is a local binding for that key in a mode.

For example, I have C-c C-d bound to a custom function, but in php- 
mode, this is bound to c-hungry-delete-forward. This no longer works  
when I use (current-global-map). I tried turning off osx-key-mode, but  
that didn't change anything, either.

How can I get the old behavior without using osx-key-mode-map?

  - Ian
From david.reitter at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 10:44:42 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Mon Nov 10 10:44:53 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Keybindings question
In-Reply-To: <7ACDC210-EC5F-4BB5-84C8-CBAE20E19EE9@digg.com>
References: <7ACDC210-EC5F-4BB5-84C8-CBAE20E19EE9@digg.com>
Message-ID: <81A7BD45-0783-4AAF-80E7-CEDB0CE818A2@gmail.com>

Ian,

On 8 Nov 2008, at 16:07, Ian Eure wrote:

> As I've been using Aquamacs, if I wanted to define a global binding,  
> I've been setting it in osx-key-mode-map. However, I want to make my  
> customizations less dependent on any specific emacs. So I changed  
> these to use (define-key (current-global-map)), and now they don't  
> work when there is a local binding for that key in a mode.
>
> For example, I have C-c C-d bound to a custom function, but in php- 
> mode, this is bound to c-hungry-delete-forward. This no longer works  
> when I use (current-global-map). I tried turning off osx-key-mode,  
> but that didn't change anything, either.
>
> How can I get the old behavior without using osx-key-mode-map?


define your own minor mode, like `ians-keys-mode', using `define-minor- 
mode'.  Use your own keymap variable, `ians-bindings, `ians-keys-mode- 
keys', and use that as the mode keymap.

Major mode bindings override the global ones, and minor mode bindings  
override everything else, if I remember correctly.  My `osx-key-mode'  
goes out of its way to define a "low-priority keymap" in addition to  
the normal, high-priority minor mode keymap.

Your problem points out a general design flaw in Emacs: key bindings  
don't have priorities.  I'm cc'ing Stefan Monnier who, I believe,  
wanted key priorities to be put on the "to do" list some 1-2 years ago  
when I pointed out this issue.  I think it's too late to introduce  
such changes in Emacs 23, but perhaps this can be supported in Emacs 24.

- David

--
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From sergio at village-buzz.com  Mon Nov 10 10:15:20 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Mon Nov 10 10:53:25 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] running terminal mode..
Message-ID: <FB710592-7A5F-4BD8-8AF7-DCAB8C508D52@village-buzz.com>


before upgrading to leopard, i was able to start terminal mode, and it  
would run with the same settings as if i were to run terminal..

now when i run it, i get a generic bash terminal that doesn't seem to  
have any of the settings that term has..

is there a setup script that needs to run?

i notice that if i do

echo $0

it seems like i am just running bash in terminal...

so i think i am just missing a profile script..

any ideas?

thanks!


___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From sergio at village-buzz.com  Mon Nov 10 10:59:00 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Mon Nov 10 10:59:02 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] gnus and gmail
Message-ID: <3B5FDF01-64F6-4B60-B9DD-0ECCD101E033@village-buzz.com>


i was wondering if anyone was using gnus for gmail on mac..

i would like to do  this, but am running into some weir problems..

i think alot of my problem might be that i don't quite get gnus yet  
(like.. it keeps downloading tons of crap from nntp.. )

but i am just wondering if someone has done it..

thanks!


___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From david.reitter at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 11:15:57 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Mon Nov 10 11:16:06 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] running terminal mode..
In-Reply-To: <FB710592-7A5F-4BD8-8AF7-DCAB8C508D52@village-buzz.com>
References: <FB710592-7A5F-4BD8-8AF7-DCAB8C508D52@village-buzz.com>
Message-ID: <834CC24B-458B-48D4-A79C-591513D7AAE7@gmail.com>

On 10 Nov 2008, at 10:15, sergio wrote:

>
> before upgrading to leopard, i was able to start terminal mode, and  
> it would run with the same settings as if i were to run terminal..
>
> now when i run it, i get a generic bash terminal that doesn't seem  
> to have any of the settings that term has..

What version of Emacs (or Aquamacs) are you running?
If you're using Aquamacs, this is a case where reporting this with the  
bug reporting function really gives us important clues as to what is  
going wrong.  (Help->Diagnose&Report)


--
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http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and  
support the Aquamacs Project!

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From sergio at village-buzz.com  Mon Nov 10 11:23:08 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Mon Nov 10 11:23:12 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] running terminal mode..
In-Reply-To: <834CC24B-458B-48D4-A79C-591513D7AAE7@gmail.com>
References: <FB710592-7A5F-4BD8-8AF7-DCAB8C508D52@village-buzz.com>
	<834CC24B-458B-48D4-A79C-591513D7AAE7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59B204EF-A816-48A7-896F-AD65B21637F0@village-buzz.com>


On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:15 AM, David Reitter wrote:

> What version of Emacs (or Aquamacs) are you running?

GNU Emacs 22.3.2 (powerpc-apple-darwin9.5.0, Carbon Version 1.6.0)
  of 2008-09-21 on lucy - Aquamacs Distribution 1.5


>
> If you're using Aquamacs, this is a case where reporting this with  
> the bug reporting function really gives us important clues as to  
> what is going wrong.  (Help->Diagnose&Report)


yes, using aquamacs.. but i think it might be a leopard issue, because  
when i run 'screen' i get the exact same behavior..

if someone else can duplicate this, i will do a bug report..

thanks!


___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From billclem at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 11:06:17 2008
From: billclem at gmail.com (Bill Clementson)
Date: Mon Nov 10 11:36:36 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] gnus and gmail
In-Reply-To: <3B5FDF01-64F6-4B60-B9DD-0ECCD101E033@village-buzz.com>
References: <3B5FDF01-64F6-4B60-B9DD-0ECCD101E033@village-buzz.com>
Message-ID: <8757cb490811100806w6a7f5623kc7e769c0d5e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sergio

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:59 AM, sergio <sergio@village-buzz.com> wrote:

>
> i was wondering if anyone was using gnus for gmail on mac..


I used to use gnus with gmail on the mac:
http://bc.tech.coop/blog/070813.html


>
> i would like to do  this, but am running into some weir problems..
>
> i think alot of my problem might be that i don't quite get gnus yet (like..
> it keeps downloading tons of crap from nntp.. )
>
> but i am just wondering if someone has done it..


For a number of different reasons, I've stopped using gnus for reading
emails, so things might have changed. However, at the time, it was working
fine for me.

--
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From glgray at me.com  Mon Nov 10 10:48:12 2008
From: glgray at me.com (Gary L. Gray)
Date: Mon Nov 10 11:48:45 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] List Admin - network trouble over the weekend
Message-ID: <610FC3A6-05B8-45B0-966B-0252DCA94F41@me.com>

Hi.

On Friday, someone in my building configured a router incorrectly and  
it brought the entire network down. Everything is back up and running  
and the list messages have been going out. I don't believe anything  
was lost.

I apologize for the inconvenience.

-- Gary
From sergio at village-buzz.com  Mon Nov 10 13:48:57 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Mon Nov 10 13:49:02 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] gnus and gmail
In-Reply-To: <8757cb490811100806w6a7f5623kc7e769c0d5e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3B5FDF01-64F6-4B60-B9DD-0ECCD101E033@village-buzz.com>
	<8757cb490811100806w6a7f5623kc7e769c0d5e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05A6D432-4BE7-4887-8193-1DCEB5CE38F6@village-buzz.com>


On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Bill Clementson wrote:

>
> For a number of different reasons, I've stopped using gnus for  
> reading emails, so things might have changed. However, at the time,  
> it was working fine for me.



hi bill..

can you give me some insight as to what made you stop using gnus?

the only thing i have found that is confusing about gnus is..

well..

everything..


___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From sergio at village-buzz.com  Mon Nov 10 13:49:44 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Mon Nov 10 13:49:47 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] gnus and gmail
In-Reply-To: <8757cb490811100806w6a7f5623kc7e769c0d5e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3B5FDF01-64F6-4B60-B9DD-0ECCD101E033@village-buzz.com>
	<8757cb490811100806w6a7f5623kc7e769c0d5e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01823430-B776-4B3E-9CDD-4673D2001325@village-buzz.com>


On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Bill Clementson wrote:

> I used to use gnus with gmail on the mac:
> http://bc.tech.coop/blog/070813.html
>



ah!

i found this earlier..

i am trying to do this with imap....

i should have mentioned that..

thanks!


___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From billclem at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 14:15:14 2008
From: billclem at gmail.com (Bill Clementson)
Date: Mon Nov 10 14:15:19 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] gnus and gmail
In-Reply-To: <05A6D432-4BE7-4887-8193-1DCEB5CE38F6@village-buzz.com>
References: <3B5FDF01-64F6-4B60-B9DD-0ECCD101E033@village-buzz.com>
	<8757cb490811100806w6a7f5623kc7e769c0d5e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<05A6D432-4BE7-4887-8193-1DCEB5CE38F6@village-buzz.com>
Message-ID: <8757cb490811101115n494bec10ldf9108f70355353e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:48 AM, sergio <sergio@village-buzz.com> wrote:

>
> On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Bill Clementson wrote:
>
>
>> For a number of different reasons, I've stopped using gnus for reading
>> emails, so things might have changed. However, at the time, it was working
>> fine for me.
>>
>
>
>
> hi bill..
>
> can you give me some insight as to what made you stop using gnus?


Nothing technical, I just needed to access my gmail from multiple different
devices (not all of which had emacs) and it was more convenient to
standardize on a single email client.


>
> the only thing i have found that is confusing about gnus is..
>
> well..
>
> everything..


hehe, well, yes ... ;-)

- Bill
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From billclem at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 14:16:52 2008
From: billclem at gmail.com (Bill Clementson)
Date: Mon Nov 10 14:16:57 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] gnus and gmail
In-Reply-To: <01823430-B776-4B3E-9CDD-4673D2001325@village-buzz.com>
References: <3B5FDF01-64F6-4B60-B9DD-0ECCD101E033@village-buzz.com>
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Message-ID: <8757cb490811101116k64b98d3bg126a6e3472213b71@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:49 AM, sergio <sergio@village-buzz.com> wrote:

>
> On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Bill Clementson wrote:
>
>  I used to use gnus with gmail on the mac:
>> http://bc.tech.coop/blog/070813.html
>>
>>
>
>
> ah!
>
> i found this earlier..
>
> i am trying to do this with imap....
>
> i should have mentioned that..


I was using pop and never tried setting up imap with gmail/gnus.

- Bill
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From chaplovejoy at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 21:09:13 2008
From: chaplovejoy at gmail.com (Chap Lovejoy)
Date: Tue Nov 11 21:09:16 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Overriding emacs-rails included with Aquamacs
Message-ID: <756af1bf0811111809s50a625bbtc045712d2ef3f27d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm trying to update to a newer revision of emacs-rails than that
included with the Aquamacs 1.5 distribution. I've placed the updated
emacs-rails files in:
~/Library/Application Support/Aquamacs Emacs/site-lisp/emacs-rails

However, this ends up in the load-path after /Applications/Aquamacs
Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/edit-modes/emacs-rails and the
older version continues to load. From what I've found through
searching the list it sounds like my user site-lisp directory should
be used before the one in the app bundle. (I've confirmed that the app
bundle one is getting loaded with find-library.)

Does anyone have any ideas how to get my version to load properly?
I've temporarily removed the one from the app bundle, but I'd prefer
to not do this so that I don't have a repeat of this problem when the
app is updated.

Thanks,
chap
From avdi at avdi.org  Tue Nov 11 21:58:58 2008
From: avdi at avdi.org (Avdi Grimm)
Date: Tue Nov 11 23:04:32 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Overriding emacs-rails included with Aquamacs
In-Reply-To: <756af1bf0811111809s50a625bbtc045712d2ef3f27d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <756af1bf0811111809s50a625bbtc045712d2ef3f27d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ecbcf0fb0811111858u4c81b438qc8c213e69feaf7fa@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Chap Lovejoy <chaplovejoy@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have any ideas how to get my version to load properly?

I just have a section near the beginning of my .emacs where I add all
my local extension directories to the load-path.  E.g. (add-to-list
'load-path "~/elisp/emacs-rails").  add-to-list adds at the beginning
of the list so the newly added directories get searched first.

--
Avdi
From david.reitter at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 23:58:05 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Tue Nov 11 23:58:13 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Overriding emacs-rails included with Aquamacs
In-Reply-To: <756af1bf0811111809s50a625bbtc045712d2ef3f27d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <756af1bf0811111809s50a625bbtc045712d2ef3f27d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2C7B8F37-6501-416A-B197-378E18775E93@gmail.com>

On 11 Nov 2008, at 21:09, Chap Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any ideas how to get my version to load properly?
> I've temporarily removed the one from the app bundle, but I'd prefer
> to not do this so that I don't have a repeat of this problem when the
> app is updated.

Avdi has given you the answer.  You could also directly load the  
package (with "load" for instance), rather than just saying (require  
'rails) (or whatever it is).

The question here is what the right thing to do would be for  
Aquamacs.  If we add a preference to load user-provided functions, we  
will almost certainly create situations of incompatibility, where  
Aquamacs comes with a modified version of some package, or needs a  
certain version number.  Emacs does not provide a systematic  
versioning API so that you can't require a certain package version.   
Other packages, such as "htmlize" have been extended in Aquamacs; if  
you load a brand-new version of "htmlize" instead of the Aquamacs one,  
then you will break printing.  (Rails is okay to update externally.)
In the end, it is up to us (well, more often than not: me) to  
investigate user's reports, and if the packages they use aren't  
somewhat predictable, then this becomes rather tricky.

This is the main reason why internal packages take precedence over  
external ones, but of course this can be discussed.

--
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http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and  
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From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp  Wed Nov 12 01:50:51 2008
From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary)
Date: Wed Nov 12 01:51:00 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] elisp reference ?
Message-ID: <8B23899A-59D6-494E-9741-6A76D08AC4DA@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>

Is there a place where one can buy the latest emacs lisp reference ?

I checked the FSF page and only found the Emacs Manual.

I'd like to have the book instead of having to read it onscreen...





Jean-Christophe Helary

------------------------------------
http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/

From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Wed Nov 12 04:06:18 2008
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Wed Nov 12 04:06:30 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] elisp reference ?
In-Reply-To: <8B23899A-59D6-494E-9741-6A76D08AC4DA@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
References: <8B23899A-59D6-494E-9741-6A76D08AC4DA@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <4374CD96-B211-4AA8-9739-84031EC27059@Web.DE>


Am 12.11.2008 um 07:50 schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary:

> Is there a place where one can buy the latest emacs lisp reference ?


With TeX you can convert the texinfo source files to a PDF or PS file  
that can be printed ...

--
Greetings

   Pete

One doesn't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher  
moral development.  One expects them to obey the law because they  
know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged.
				? Michael Shirley



From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp  Wed Nov 12 04:23:24 2008
From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary)
Date: Wed Nov 12 04:23:30 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] elisp reference ?
In-Reply-To: <4374CD96-B211-4AA8-9739-84031EC27059@Web.DE>
References: <8B23899A-59D6-494E-9741-6A76D08AC4DA@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
	<4374CD96-B211-4AA8-9739-84031EC27059@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <7C6B740D-264A-4C3F-BC59-ACB65E4C84C3@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>


On mercredi 12 nov. 08, at 18:06, Peter Dyballa wrote:

>
> Am 12.11.2008 um 07:50 schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary:
>
>> Is there a place where one can buy the latest emacs lisp reference ?
>
>
> With TeX you can convert the texinfo source files to a PDF or PS  
> file that can be printed ...

I know that :)

What I wanted is to get the book from the FSF not only as a "sign of  
support" but also because it is easier for me to read the reference as  
a book.





Jean-Christophe Helary

------------------------------------
http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/

From axel.retif at mac.com  Wed Nov 12 05:04:50 2008
From: axel.retif at mac.com (Axel E. Retif)
Date: Wed Nov 12 06:05:22 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] elisp reference ?
In-Reply-To: <7C6B740D-264A-4C3F-BC59-ACB65E4C84C3@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
References: <8B23899A-59D6-494E-9741-6A76D08AC4DA@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
	<4374CD96-B211-4AA8-9739-84031EC27059@Web.DE>
	<7C6B740D-264A-4C3F-BC59-ACB65E4C84C3@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <D29CB04C-6903-4833-95F9-6C4A5D4358F3@mac.com>

On  12 Nov, 2008, at 03:23, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:

> On mercredi 12 nov. 08, at 18:06, Peter Dyballa wrote:
>
>>
>> Am 12.11.2008 um 07:50 schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary:
>>
>>> Is there a place where one can buy the latest emacs lisp reference ?
>>
>>
>> With TeX you can convert the texinfo source files to a PDF or PS  
>> file that can be printed ...
>
> I know that :)
>
> What I wanted is to get the book from the FSF not only as a "sign of  
> support" but also because it is easier for me to read the reference  
> as a book.

An Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp:

http://shop.fsf.org/category/books/


Best,

Axel


From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp  Wed Nov 12 06:15:59 2008
From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary)
Date: Wed Nov 12 06:16:04 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] elisp reference ?
In-Reply-To: <D29CB04C-6903-4833-95F9-6C4A5D4358F3@mac.com>
References: <8B23899A-59D6-494E-9741-6A76D08AC4DA@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
	<4374CD96-B211-4AA8-9739-84031EC27059@Web.DE>
	<7C6B740D-264A-4C3F-BC59-ACB65E4C84C3@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
	<D29CB04C-6903-4833-95F9-6C4A5D4358F3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <60440156-716D-467E-8CFA-ADB4203EA8C5@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>


On mercredi 12 nov. 08, at 19:04, Axel E. Retif wrote:
>> What I wanted is to get the book from the FSF not only as a "sign  
>> of support" but also because it is easier for me to read the  
>> reference as a book.
>
> An Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp:
>
> http://shop.fsf.org/category/books/

I have this one, and that is the reason why I want the reference too :)





Jean-Christophe Helary

------------------------------------
http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/

From sergio at village-buzz.com  Wed Nov 12 10:56:11 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Wed Nov 12 10:56:16 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] aquamacs - installing ispell/aspell
Message-ID: <770820B5-F155-4D90-9FF8-A9F01E5EBDDA@village-buzz.com>


for some reason, i just can't get the gist of this..

whenever i do a spell check, i am getting:

Error: No word lists can be found for the language "en_US".

i installed cocoaaspell in activated a few dictionaries, and added  
this to my .emacs:

(setq-default ispell-program-name "aspell")
(require 'ispell)

but still getting no joy..

any ideas?

thanks!


___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From chaplovejoy at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 11:29:02 2008
From: chaplovejoy at gmail.com (Chap Lovejoy)
Date: Wed Nov 12 11:54:59 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Overriding emacs-rails included with Aquamacs
In-Reply-To: <2C7B8F37-6501-416A-B197-378E18775E93@gmail.com>
References: <756af1bf0811111809s50a625bbtc045712d2ef3f27d@mail.gmail.com>
	<2C7B8F37-6501-416A-B197-378E18775E93@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <756af1bf0811120829s2ce946bdvcce62fb08c0ad24d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the quick replies Avdi and David.

> Avdi has given you the answer.  You could also directly load the package
> (with "load" for instance), rather than just saying (require 'rails) (or
> whatever it is).

I've moved the package to a different directory and added it as
suggested and everything is working properly now.

> The question here is what the right thing to do would be for Aquamacs.  If
> we add a preference to load user-provided functions, we will almost
> certainly create situations of incompatibility, where Aquamacs comes with a
> modified version of some package, or needs a certain version number.  Emacs
> does not provide a systematic versioning API so that you can't require a
> certain package version.  Other packages, such as "htmlize" have been
> extended in Aquamacs; if you load a brand-new version of "htmlize" instead
> of the Aquamacs one, then you will break printing.  (Rails is okay to update
> externally.)

I understand the complications involved with allowing user packages to
load before supplied packages. I may have missed this in the
documentation, but my confusion stemmed from the fact that I was
relying on local customizations overriding the defaults (which is a
general pattern I've come to expect).

Perhaps a solution would be to define a user directory for packages
that appears in the load-path before those in the Aquamacs bundle with
the caveat that you may break functionality if you are not careful
about what you override.

Anyway, this is just a suggestion and is easy enough to implement in
Preferences.el that it's really a non-issue.

Thanks again for the quick answers!
chap
From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 15:51:53 2008
From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham)
Date: Wed Nov 12 15:51:57 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] aquamacs - installing ispell/aspell
In-Reply-To: <770820B5-F155-4D90-9FF8-A9F01E5EBDDA@village-buzz.com>
References: <770820B5-F155-4D90-9FF8-A9F01E5EBDDA@village-buzz.com>
Message-ID: <20ecf6c70811121251tac96cv6e941bbe572e04c0@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:56 AM, sergio <sergio@village-buzz.com> wrote:

>
> for some reason, i just can't get the gist of this..
>
> whenever i do a spell check, i am getting:
>
> Error: No word lists can be found for the language "en_US".
>
> i installed cocoaaspell in activated a few dictionaries, and added this to
> my .emacs:
>
> (setq-default ispell-program-name "aspell")
> (require 'ispell)


Spell checking should work with no customization, if you have installed
cocoAspell.  Use
M-x locate-library ispell
to ensure that you're using the version of ispell.elc bundled with
Aquamacs.  Also try spell checking in Aquamacs launched without
customizations, under Help-->Diagnose and Report Bug, and see if the
behavior is the same.

Have you used or configured aspell at all, apart from installing cocoAspell?

What's the value of ispell-use-cocoaspell in an Aquamacs session where you
haven't activated or loaded (or required) ispell?

We'll get this sorted out.

--Nathaniel
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From axel.retif at mac.com  Wed Nov 12 17:22:23 2008
From: axel.retif at mac.com (Axel E. Retif)
Date: Wed Nov 12 17:22:34 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] elisp reference ?
In-Reply-To: <60440156-716D-467E-8CFA-ADB4203EA8C5@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
References: <8B23899A-59D6-494E-9741-6A76D08AC4DA@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
	<4374CD96-B211-4AA8-9739-84031EC27059@Web.DE>
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Message-ID: <8857E83E-3F64-41CD-A925-D1155F177DBA@mac.com>

On  12 Nov, 2008, at 05:15, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:

>
> On mercredi 12 nov. 08, at 19:04, Axel E. Retif wrote:
>>> What I wanted is to get the book from the FSF not only as a "sign  
>>> of support" but also because it is easier for me to read the  
>>> reference as a book.
>>
>> An Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp:
>>
>> http://shop.fsf.org/category/books/
>
> I have this one, and that is the reason why I want the reference  
> too :)

I think http://shop.fsf.org/category/books/ has all the books in  
print. Maybe what you want is this

http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/elisp.html

But I think that, as Peter Dyballa said, you already have it.


Best,

Axel


From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp  Wed Nov 12 18:24:27 2008
From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary)
Date: Wed Nov 12 18:24:34 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] elisp reference ?
In-Reply-To: <8857E83E-3F64-41CD-A925-D1155F177DBA@mac.com>
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On jeudi 13 nov. 08, at 07:22, Axel E. Retif wrote:

> On  12 Nov, 2008, at 05:15, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
>
>>
>> On mercredi 12 nov. 08, at 19:04, Axel E. Retif wrote:
>>>> What I wanted is to get the book from the FSF not only as a "sign  
>>>> of support" but also because it is easier for me to read the  
>>>> reference as a book.
>>>
>>> An Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp:
>>>
>>> http://shop.fsf.org/category/books/
>>
>> I have this one, and that is the reason why I want the reference  
>> too :)
>
> I think http://shop.fsf.org/category/books/ has all the books in  
> print. Maybe what you want is this
>
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/elisp.html
>
> But I think that, as Peter Dyballa said, you already have it.

I just received a mail from "sales@fsf.org" and they confirmed that  
the book is not on their catalogue. But they are working on a third  
edition of the "Introduction".




Jean-Christophe Helary

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http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/

From axel.retif at mac.com  Wed Nov 12 18:41:54 2008
From: axel.retif at mac.com (Axel E. Retif)
Date: Wed Nov 12 19:42:05 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] elisp reference ?
In-Reply-To: <99B6FB4F-5FC5-48A3-8046-D764C994BECB@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
References: <8B23899A-59D6-494E-9741-6A76D08AC4DA@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
	<4374CD96-B211-4AA8-9739-84031EC27059@Web.DE>
	<7C6B740D-264A-4C3F-BC59-ACB65E4C84C3@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
	<D29CB04C-6903-4833-95F9-6C4A5D4358F3@mac.com>
	<60440156-716D-467E-8CFA-ADB4203EA8C5@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
	<8857E83E-3F64-41CD-A925-D1155F177DBA@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <5D0CCF8C-F758-43F4-AAEE-AC3E102EBD48@mac.com>

On  12 Nov, 2008, at 17:24, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:

> On jeudi 13 nov. 08, at 07:22, Axel E. Retif wrote:
>
>>> [...]
>>
>> I think http://shop.fsf.org/category/books/ has all the books in  
>> print. Maybe what you want is this
>>
>> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/elisp.html
>>
>> But I think that, as Peter Dyballa said, you already have it.
>
> I just received a mail from "sales@fsf.org" and they confirmed that  
> the book is not on their catalogue. But they are working on a third  
> edition of the "Introduction".

That's good news, though I'm ashamed to say that I bought the 2nd. ed.  
but haven't read it yet.

Best,

Axel


From rolandw at mac.com  Thu Nov 13 02:35:37 2008
From: rolandw at mac.com (Roland Whitehead)
Date: Thu Nov 13 06:51:07 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Kill hard wrap default on new buffers
Message-ID: <2110093A-2DD3-4AD5-9D0E-A506B400A1F6@mac.com>

I have asked this before but still don't have a solution. I wish to  
have new buffers defaulted to not hard wrap long lines. My  
investigations into long lines mode and so forth have got me no where  
and I keep messing up documents by failing to turn off hard wrap. How  
do I turn off Hard Word Wrap for every new buffer without reaching for  
the Options Menu or meta-key?


Roland
From kaeufl at ira.uka.de  Thu Nov 13 07:30:08 2008
From: kaeufl at ira.uka.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_K=E4ufl?=)
Date: Thu Nov 13 07:45:13 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Kill hard wrap default on new buffers
In-Reply-To: <2110093A-2DD3-4AD5-9D0E-A506B400A1F6@mac.com>
References: <2110093A-2DD3-4AD5-9D0E-A506B400A1F6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A2E20747-2F9F-4E66-814B-4E6B672F1A3D@ira.uka.de>

Hi Roland,

Am 13.11.2008 um 08:35 schrieb Roland Whitehead:

> ... How do I turn off Hard Word Wrap for every new buffer without  
> reaching for the Options Menu or meta-key?
> ...

I have the subsequent two commands in my preferences file

(setq text-mode-hook (quote (turn-off-auto-fill)))
(add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'turn-off-auto-fill)

and the subsequent

(unless (fboundp 'auto-detect-longlines) (defun auto-detect-longlines  
() t))

in my customizations file.

It might be better to put the first two Lisp expressions into
the customizations too.

As far as I remember, I found these customizations in the
Aquamacs help.

Thomas Käufl

From david.reitter at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 08:07:46 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Thu Nov 13 08:22:08 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Kill hard wrap default on new buffers
In-Reply-To: <2110093A-2DD3-4AD5-9D0E-A506B400A1F6@mac.com>
References: <2110093A-2DD3-4AD5-9D0E-A506B400A1F6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E6447A4B-A17C-4428-98DC-158210B5240D@gmail.com>

On 13 Nov 2008, at 02:35, Roland Whitehead wrote:

> I have asked this before but still don't have a solution. I wish to  
> have new buffers defaulted to not hard wrap long lines. My  
> investigations into long lines mode and so forth have got me no  
> where and I keep messing up documents by failing to turn off hard  
> wrap. How do I turn off Hard Word Wrap for every new buffer without  
> reaching for the Options Menu or meta-key?

Easy, because there's a customization variable.

(setq auto-word-wrap-default-function 'turn-on-word-wrap)

in your Preferences.el, or you use a customization buffer to set this  
to `turn-on-word-wrap'.

The other solution posted will work, but it will not turn on soft word  
wrap, and it disables Aquamacs' ability to recognize files that should  
have auto-fill enabled.

--
http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and  
support the Aquamacs Project!
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From sergio at village-buzz.com  Thu Nov 13 09:10:14 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Thu Nov 13 09:10:20 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] aquamacs - installing ispell/aspell
In-Reply-To: <20ecf6c70811121251tac96cv6e941bbe572e04c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <770820B5-F155-4D90-9FF8-A9F01E5EBDDA@village-buzz.com>
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> Spell checking should work with no customization, if you have  
> installed cocoAspell.  Use
> M-x locate-library ispell

here is what i get:

Library is file /Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/ 
lisp/textmodes/ispell.elc


>
> Have you used or configured aspell at all, apart from installing  
> cocoAspell?
>

no... i haven't done anything to it so far..


> What's the value of ispell-use-cocoaspell in an Aquamacs session  
> where you haven't activated or loaded (or required) ispell?
>

doh!

how do i get this?

> We'll get this sorted out.

thanks, nathaniel!


>
>

___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 09:43:17 2008
From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham)
Date: Thu Nov 13 09:43:22 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] aquamacs - installing ispell/aspell
In-Reply-To: <95259EFA-EEDE-40AA-9A63-A4D0E5FC8E30@village-buzz.com>
References: <770820B5-F155-4D90-9FF8-A9F01E5EBDDA@village-buzz.com>
	<20ecf6c70811121251tac96cv6e941bbe572e04c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<95259EFA-EEDE-40AA-9A63-A4D0E5FC8E30@village-buzz.com>
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On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:10 AM, sergio <sergio@village-buzz.com> wrote:

> Spell checking should work with no customization, if you have installed
>> cocoAspell.  Use
>> M-x locate-library ispell
>>
>
> here is what i get:
>
> Library is file /Applications/Aquamacs
> Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/textmodes/ispell.elc
>

good.


>
>> Have you used or configured aspell at all, apart from installing
>> cocoAspell?
>>
>>
> no... i haven't done anything to it so far..
>

good.


>
>  What's the value of ispell-use-cocoaspell in an Aquamacs session where you
>> haven't activated or loaded (or required) ispell?
>>
>>
> how do i get this?


call describe-variable using C-h v <variable name>.

Also check the values of these variables, AFTER attempting to spell-check
(i.e. after ispell has been loaded):
ispell-use-cocoaspell
ispell-program-name
aspell-knows-no-dicts
ispell-cocoaspell-dict-list
ispell-dictionary-alist

And check that the following cocoAspell directories exist:
~/Library/Services/cocoAspell.service/
~/Library/Preferences/cocoAspell/
/Library/Application Support/cocoAspell/

--Nathaniel
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From sergio at village-buzz.com  Thu Nov 13 10:31:52 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Thu Nov 13 10:32:00 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] aquamacs - installing ispell/aspell
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>
> What's the value of ispell-use-cocoaspell in an Aquamacs session  
> where you haven't activated or loaded (or required) ispell?
>


ispell-use-cocoaspell is a variable defined in `ispell.el'.
Its value is full

>  i

> spell-use-cocoaspell

ispell-use-cocoaspell is a variable defined in `ispell.el'.
Its value is full

>
> ispell-program-name

ispell-program-name is a variable defined in `ispell.el'.
Its value is "aspell"

>
> aspell-knows-no-dicts

aspell-knows-no-dicts is a variable defined in `ispell.el'.
Its value is t

>
> ispell-cocoaspell-dict-list

ispell-cocoaspell-dict-list is a variable defined in `ispell.el'.
Its value is
("English [variant_1]" "English [variant_0]")

>
> ispell-dictionary-alist
>

ispell-dictionary-alist is a variable defined in `ispell.el'.
Its value is shown below.

> And check that the following cocoAspell directories exist:
> ~/Library/Services/cocoAspell.service/
> ~/Library/Preferences/cocoAspell/
> /Library/Application Support/cocoAspell/
>

check..

all exist.


___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 10:58:58 2008
From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham)
Date: Thu Nov 13 11:05:11 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] aquamacs - installing ispell/aspell
In-Reply-To: <9831C9B5-BB1D-41D8-89DB-C7C6046B6011@village-buzz.com>
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So far so good!  No apparent issues with any of the values you're reporting.

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:31 AM, sergio <sergio@village-buzz.com> wrote:

>
>
>>
> ispell-dictionary-alist is a variable defined in `ispell.el'.
> Its value is shown below.
>

Click on "below" or scroll down in the help window to see the actual value.
Hopefully it has one default (nil) entry with associated settings, and one
for each of your chosen dictionaries, English [variant 1] and [variant 0].

Try changing dictionaries within Aquamacs -- use the Edit-->Spelling menu or
M-x ispell-change-dictionary, hit spacebar to see your options, and click
one of the non-default choices.  Then try spell-checking again.

By the way, I believe your cocoAspell preferences will only be checked when
ispell is first started, so you will have to re-start Aquamacs (or M-x
unload-feature ispell) and re-start ispell if you want changes to be
registered.

--Nathaniel
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From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Thu Nov 13 11:14:23 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] aquamacs - installing ispell/aspell
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> Click on "below" or scroll down in the help window to see the actual  
> value.  Hopefully it has one default (nil) entry with associated  
> settings, and one for each of your chosen dictionaries, English  
> [variant 1] and [variant 0].
>

okay, this looks interesting..

i hit below, and there is a FLOOD of languages entered..

but no English [variant 1] or [variant 0].

> Try changing dictionaries within Aquamacs -- use the Edit-->Spelling  
> menu or M-x ispell-change-dictionary, hit spacebar to see your  
> options, and click one of the non-default choices.  Then try spell- 
> checking again.
>

did this...

got:

ad-Orig-error: Error: No word lists can be found for the language  
"en_US".

> By the way, I believe your cocoAspell preferences will only be  
> checked when ispell is first started, so you will have to re-start  
> Aquamacs (or M-x unload-feature ispell) and re-start ispell if you  
> want changes to be registered.
>

i have been restarting after each  time i goofed with it..




___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 13:39:23 2008
From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham)
Date: Thu Nov 13 13:39:28 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] aquamacs - installing ispell/aspell
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Ah, I have remembered now that the [variant] dictionaries are not complete
dictionaries -- they contain only variants of a subset of words from the
main English dictionaries.  (Hence they get treated slightly differently
from other English dictionaries in Aquamacs's version of ispell.el, in that
they aren't automatically selected as a default dictionary.)  See
http://people.inf.elte.hu/qzy/debian/imind/aspell/current/aspell-en-60.0-0/doc/extra.txt(near
the end of the page)

Next steps to take:
1) Please select a standalone dictionary in cocoAspell and we'll go from
there.  I have had no trouble with English (United States) [w_accents].  Try
selecting that one alone.
2) Re-start Aquamacs.
3) Use Help-->Diagnose and Report Bug-->Start Aquamacs Without
Customizations
4) in a buffer with text, M-x ispell

If this doesn't work, let's take this discussion off the list to sort things
out.  Check the value of ispell-dictionary-alist; if it's the same flood of
languages (the default ispell list, with no relation to what you actually
have installed!), that gives me a place to start.

--Nathaniel


On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:14 AM, sergio <sergio@village-buzz.com> wrote:

> Click on "below" or scroll down in the help window to see the actual value.
>>  Hopefully it has one default (nil) entry with associated settings, and one
>> for each of your chosen dictionaries, English [variant 1] and [variant 0].
>>
>>
> okay, this looks interesting..
>
> i hit below, and there is a FLOOD of languages entered..
>
> but no English [variant 1] or [variant 0].
>
>  Try changing dictionaries within Aquamacs -- use the Edit-->Spelling menu
>> or M-x ispell-change-dictionary, hit spacebar to see your options, and click
>> one of the non-default choices.  Then try spell-checking again.
>>
>>
> did this...
>
> got:
>
> ad-Orig-error: Error: No word lists can be found for the language "en_US".
>
>  By the way, I believe your cocoAspell preferences will only be checked
>> when ispell is first started, so you will have to re-start Aquamacs (or M-x
>> unload-feature ispell) and re-start ispell if you want changes to be
>> registered.
>>
>>
> i have been restarting after each  time i goofed with it..
>
>
>
>
>
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> sergio
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From pacotomi at orange.fr  Thu Nov 13 15:44:39 2008
From: pacotomi at orange.fr (pacotomi)
Date: Thu Nov 13 15:44:49 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Auctex, pdf and LaTeX files
Message-ID: <0EB97361-0787-44E7-8B83-236AD0956723@orange.fr>

Hi,
Usually I compile my foo.tex using pdflatex.
In some case I need to follow the dvi->ps->pdf tortuous lane :-)
How can I make Aquamacs bind the 3 steps  (eliminate unwanted files,  
make the coffee) when I compile my foo.tex ?

Pacotomi

From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Thu Nov 13 17:21:07 2008
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Thu Nov 13 17:21:17 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Auctex, pdf and LaTeX files
In-Reply-To: <0EB97361-0787-44E7-8B83-236AD0956723@orange.fr>
References: <0EB97361-0787-44E7-8B83-236AD0956723@orange.fr>
Message-ID: <84639520-C28D-4B62-A053-05F50706C0AE@Web.DE>


Am 13.11.2008 um 21:44 schrieb pacotomi:

> How can I make Aquamacs bind the 3 steps  (eliminate unwanted  
> files, make the coffee) when I compile my foo.tex ?


Make it use simpdftex!

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Greetings

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A TRUE Klingon warrior does not comment his code.

From david.reitter at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 21:43:58 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Thu Nov 13 21:44:08 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Auctex, pdf and LaTeX files
In-Reply-To: <0EB97361-0787-44E7-8B83-236AD0956723@orange.fr>
References: <0EB97361-0787-44E7-8B83-236AD0956723@orange.fr>
Message-ID: <0CB1007E-37B5-4BFC-8C40-F877F244876B@gmail.com>

On 13 Nov 2008, at 15:44, pacotomi wrote:
>
> In some case I need to follow the dvi->ps->pdf tortuous lane :-)
> How can I make Aquamacs bind the 3 steps  (eliminate unwanted files,  
> make the coffee) when I compile my foo.tex ?

Turn off PDF mode, in the LaTeX (Command) menu.


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From rolandw at mac.com  Fri Nov 14 03:21:53 2008
From: rolandw at mac.com (Roland Whitehead)
Date: Fri Nov 14 04:06:16 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: MacOSX-Emacs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <20081113200006.35C482FC169@email>
References: <20081113200006.35C482FC169@email>
Message-ID: <6FB7B615-ACC2-4F3F-874D-7C57990BE27E@mac.com>

Thomas, David,

On 13 Nov 2008, at 20:00, in macosx-emacs-request@email.esm.psu.edu  
you wrote:

> I have the subsequent two commands in my preferences file
>
> (setq text-mode-hook (quote (turn-off-auto-fill)))
> (add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'turn-off-auto-fill)
>
> and the subsequent
>
> (unless (fboundp 'auto-detect-longlines) (defun auto-detect-longlines
> () t))


> Easy, because there's a customization variable.
>
> (setq auto-word-wrap-default-function 'turn-on-word-wrap)
>
> in your Preferences.el, or you use a customization buffer to set this
> to `turn-on-word-wrap'.
>
> The other solution posted will work, but it will not turn on soft word
> wrap, and it disables Aquamacs' ability to recognize files that should
> have auto-fill enabled.

Many many thanks for your suggestions, both of you. David, yours was  
interesting because I had already tried that in the Aquamacs  
Preferences and had no change at all. I tried adding the line to my  
preferences.el and that didn't make much difference either.

So I stepped back to Thomas's suggestion and added it all in to my  
preferences.el file (the line "  ;; If you edit it by hand, you could  
mess it up, so be careful." in customizations.el keeps me away!) and  
it does what I think it should do.

I'm going to have another go with David's suggestion on a vanilla  
install of my favourite ext editor. If it doesn't work there then  
perhaps something is overriding it elsewhere in the Aquamacs  
preferences stack.

Many thanks



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From pacotomi at orange.fr  Fri Nov 14 08:18:29 2008
From: pacotomi at orange.fr (pacotomi)
Date: Fri Nov 14 11:26:09 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Auctex, pdf and LaTeX files
In-Reply-To: <0CB1007E-37B5-4BFC-8C40-F877F244876B@gmail.com>
References: <0EB97361-0787-44E7-8B83-236AD0956723@orange.fr>
	<0CB1007E-37B5-4BFC-8C40-F877F244876B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B360E781-A227-443B-A237-51BB877C4AD1@orange.fr>


Le 14 nov. 08 ŕ 03:43, David Reitter a écrit :

> On 13 Nov 2008, at 15:44, pacotomi wrote:
>>
>> In some case I need to follow the dvi->ps->pdf tortuous lane :-)
>> How can I make Aquamacs bind the 3 steps  (eliminate unwanted  
>> files, make the coffee) when I compile my foo.tex ?
>
> Turn off PDF mode, in the LaTeX (Command) menu.
Yes... but I get only a foo.dvi

pacotomi
From agw at comcast.net  Fri Nov 14 14:15:37 2008
From: agw at comcast.net (Art Werschulz)
Date: Fri Nov 14 14:31:43 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] where does Mac OS X set default PATH for bash?
Message-ID: <E0CA5B4A-1125-4583-8961-68972BC85B01@comcast.net>

Hi.

This is maybe off-topic, but there is a trace of Emcas-ness in what  
follows.

I am using bash on my Mac OS X (Leopard) box.  My PATH is as follows  
(slightly reformatted for readability);
	/usr/local/texlive/2008/bin/universal-darwin
	.
	/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/bin
	/usr/local/texlive/2007/bin/i386-darwin
	/sw/bin
	/sw/sbin
	/usr/libexec
	/Developer/Tools
	/usr/local/bin
	/usr/local/sbin
	/bin
	/sbin
	/usr/bin
	/usr/sbin
	/usr/X11R6/bin
	/usr/X11/bin
	.

I am not crazy about this, for several reasons.  Having a dot (current  
directory) so high in the list is Bad News from a security viewpoint.   
The Emacs.app application doesn't exist on my machine anymore.  I  
don't want to search /usr/local/texlive/2007, since I'm using the 2008  
version of TeXLive.

You may wonder how I'm setting my PATH.  Here's how (i.e., here's the  
relevant part of .bashrc):
	TeX=/usr/local/texlive/2008
	(echo $PATH | grep -q /usr/local/sbin) || PATH=/usr/local/sbin:$PATH
	(echo $PATH | grep -q /usr/local/bin) || PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH
	PATH=$TeX/bin/universal-darwin:$PATH
	export PATH=${PATH}:.
So from the looks of things, the default PATH must consist of
	.
	/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/bin
	/usr/local/texlive/2007/bin/i386-darwin
	/sw/bin
	/sw/sbin
	/usr/libexec
	/Developer/Tools
	/usr/local/bin
	/usr/local/sbin
	/bin
	/sbin
	/usr/bin
	/usr/sbin
	/usr/X11R6/bin
	/usr/X11/bin

Since I want to change this, I need to know where this default is  
set.  Any ideas?

Thanks.

Art Werschulz
207 Stoughton Avenue, Cranford  NJ 07016-2838
(908) 272-1146


From david.reitter at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 14:49:17 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Fri Nov 14 14:49:25 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] where does Mac OS X set default PATH for bash?
In-Reply-To: <E0CA5B4A-1125-4583-8961-68972BC85B01@comcast.net>
References: <E0CA5B4A-1125-4583-8961-68972BC85B01@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9B733A48-E3D0-4808-8CB4-20810C67E631@gmail.com>

Art,

open a login shell, i.e. just Terminal.app (or iTerm or so).
Do "echo $PATH".

This is what is imported into Aquamacs, in addition to what is  
inherited by Aquamacs in the first place.

If you want to see the code that does this, look at `mac-read- 
environment-vars-from-shell' and `mac-read-environment-vars-from- 
shell-2'.

Hope that helps.   We don't add "." to the PATH, or anything crazy  
like that.  I think we may add some paths in auctex-config.el to  
facilitate LaTeX use.  If there is a bug / annoyance hidden somewhere,  
let us know!

Best
- David

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On 14 Nov 2008, at 14:15, Art Werschulz wrote:

> Hi.
>
> This is maybe off-topic, but there is a trace of Emcas-ness in what  
> follows.
>
> I am using bash on my Mac OS X (Leopard) box.  My PATH is as follows  
> (slightly reformatted for readability);
> 	/usr/local/texlive/2008/bin/universal-darwin
> 	.
> 	/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/bin
> 	/usr/local/texlive/2007/bin/i386-darwin
> 	/sw/bin
> 	/sw/sbin
> 	/usr/libexec
> 	/Developer/Tools
> 	/usr/local/bin
> 	/usr/local/sbin
> 	/bin
> 	/sbin
> 	/usr/bin
> 	/usr/sbin
> 	/usr/X11R6/bin
> 	/usr/X11/bin
> 	.
>
> I am not crazy about this, for several reasons.  Having a dot  
> (current directory) so high in the list is Bad News from a security  
> viewpoint.  The Emacs.app application doesn't exist on my machine  
> anymore.  I don't want to search /usr/local/texlive/2007, since I'm  
> using the 2008 version of TeXLive.
>
> You may wonder how I'm setting my PATH.  Here's how (i.e., here's  
> the relevant part of .bashrc):
> 	TeX=/usr/local/texlive/2008
> 	(echo $PATH | grep -q /usr/local/sbin) || PATH=/usr/local/sbin:$PATH
> 	(echo $PATH | grep -q /usr/local/bin) || PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH
> 	PATH=$TeX/bin/universal-darwin:$PATH
> 	export PATH=${PATH}:.
> So from the looks of things, the default PATH must consist of
> 	.
> 	/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/bin
> 	/usr/local/texlive/2007/bin/i386-darwin
> 	/sw/bin
> 	/sw/sbin
> 	/usr/libexec
> 	/Developer/Tools
> 	/usr/local/bin
> 	/usr/local/sbin
> 	/bin
> 	/sbin
> 	/usr/bin
> 	/usr/sbin
> 	/usr/X11R6/bin
> 	/usr/X11/bin
>
> Since I want to change this, I need to know where this default is  
> set.  Any ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Art Werschulz
> 207 Stoughton Avenue, Cranford  NJ 07016-2838
> (908) 272-1146
>
>
> _____________________________________________________________
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From mhusby at broad.mit.edu  Fri Nov 14 14:40:21 2008
From: mhusby at broad.mit.edu (Erik Husby)
Date: Fri Nov 14 14:57:00 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] where does Mac OS X set default PATH for bash?
In-Reply-To: <E0CA5B4A-1125-4583-8961-68972BC85B01@comcast.net>
References: <E0CA5B4A-1125-4583-8961-68972BC85B01@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <09780999-29E9-4281-91F7-E9508993FCA3@broad.mit.edu>

Look in these places for bash setups

/etc/profile -- system wide
~/.profile -- personal initialization
~/.bash_profile -- personal initialization
~/.bash_login -- personal initialization
~/.bashrc -- personal initialization

In addition, on Mac OS X, the file
~/.MacOSX/environment.plist

Can be used to define environment variables for applications not  
started from a shell.


On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Art Werschulz wrote:

> Hi.
>
> This is maybe off-topic, but there is a trace of Emcas-ness in what  
> follows.
>
> I am using bash on my Mac OS X (Leopard) box.  My PATH is as follows  
> (slightly reformatted for readability);
> 	/usr/local/texlive/2008/bin/universal-darwin
> 	.
> 	/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/bin
> 	/usr/local/texlive/2007/bin/i386-darwin
> 	/sw/bin
> 	/sw/sbin
> 	/usr/libexec
> 	/Developer/Tools
> 	/usr/local/bin
> 	/usr/local/sbin
> 	/bin
> 	/sbin
> 	/usr/bin
> 	/usr/sbin
> 	/usr/X11R6/bin
> 	/usr/X11/bin
> 	.
>
> I am not crazy about this, for several reasons.  Having a dot  
> (current directory) so high in the list is Bad News from a security  
> viewpoint.  The Emacs.app application doesn't exist on my machine  
> anymore.  I don't want to search /usr/local/texlive/2007, since I'm  
> using the 2008 version of TeXLive.
>
> You may wonder how I'm setting my PATH.  Here's how (i.e., here's  
> the relevant part of .bashrc):
> 	TeX=/usr/local/texlive/2008
> 	(echo $PATH | grep -q /usr/local/sbin) || PATH=/usr/local/sbin:$PATH
> 	(echo $PATH | grep -q /usr/local/bin) || PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH
> 	PATH=$TeX/bin/universal-darwin:$PATH
> 	export PATH=${PATH}:.
> So from the looks of things, the default PATH must consist of
> 	.
> 	/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/bin
> 	/usr/local/texlive/2007/bin/i386-darwin
> 	/sw/bin
> 	/sw/sbin
> 	/usr/libexec
> 	/Developer/Tools
> 	/usr/local/bin
> 	/usr/local/sbin
> 	/bin
> 	/sbin
> 	/usr/bin
> 	/usr/sbin
> 	/usr/X11R6/bin
> 	/usr/X11/bin
>
> Since I want to change this, I need to know where this default is  
> set.  Any ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Art Werschulz
> 207 Stoughton Avenue, Cranford  NJ 07016-2838
> (908) 272-1146
>
>
> _____________________________________________________________
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From agw at comcast.net  Fri Nov 14 15:07:12 2008
From: agw at comcast.net (Art Werschulz)
Date: Fri Nov 14 15:13:30 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] where does Mac OS X set default PATH for bash?
In-Reply-To: <09780999-29E9-4281-91F7-E9508993FCA3@broad.mit.edu>
References: <E0CA5B4A-1125-4583-8961-68972BC85B01@comcast.net>
	<09780999-29E9-4281-91F7-E9508993FCA3@broad.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <6652DFDB-567B-44A3-BE74-D44A77B6C686@comcast.net>

Hi.

On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Erik Husby wrote:

> Look in these places for bash setups
>
> /etc/profile -- system wide
> ~/.profile -- personal initialization
> ~/.bash_profile -- personal initialization
> ~/.bash_login -- personal initialization
> ~/.bashrc -- personal initialization

I should've added one more datapoint, namely, that since I know my way  
around Unix pretty well, I had already checked the usual suspects.  No  
dice.

> In addition, on Mac OS X, the file
> ~/.MacOSX/environment.plist
> Can be used to define environment variables for applications not  
> started from a shell.

AHA!  That's the culprit.  Thanks!!

Art Werschulz
207 Stoughton Avenue, Cranford  NJ 07016-2838
(908) 272-1146



From agw at comcast.net  Fri Nov 14 15:14:04 2008
From: agw at comcast.net (Art Werschulz)
Date: Fri Nov 14 15:14:16 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] where does Mac OS X set default PATH for bash?
In-Reply-To: <09780999-29E9-4281-91F7-E9508993FCA3@broad.mit.edu>
References: <E0CA5B4A-1125-4583-8961-68972BC85B01@comcast.net>
	<09780999-29E9-4281-91F7-E9508993FCA3@broad.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <72A42D41-3813-4663-9D5B-206061655BF4@comcast.net>

Hi.

On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Erik Husby wrote:

> Look in these places for bash setups
>
> /etc/profile -- system wide
> ~/.profile -- personal initialization
> ~/.bash_profile -- personal initialization
> ~/.bash_login -- personal initialization
> ~/.bashrc -- personal initialization

I should've added one more datapoint, namely, that since I know my way  
around Unix pretty well, I had already checked the usual suspects.  No  
dice.

> In addition, on Mac OS X, the file
> ~/.MacOSX/environment.plist
> Can be used to define environment variables for applications not  
> started from a shell.

AHA!  That's the culprit.  Thanks!!

Art Werschulz
207 Stoughton Avenue, Cranford  NJ 07016-2838
(908) 272-1146



From franconi at inf.unibz.it  Sat Nov 15 08:45:32 2008
From: franconi at inf.unibz.it (Enrico Franconi)
Date: Sat Nov 15 09:12:17 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Auctex, pdf and LaTeX files
In-Reply-To: <B360E781-A227-443B-A237-51BB877C4AD1@orange.fr>
References: <0EB97361-0787-44E7-8B83-236AD0956723@orange.fr>
	<0CB1007E-37B5-4BFC-8C40-F877F244876B@gmail.com>
	<B360E781-A227-443B-A237-51BB877C4AD1@orange.fr>
Message-ID: <7D5C7A48-35FA-4BC5-8F7D-E9399D972574@inf.unibz.it>

>> On 13 Nov 2008, at 15:44, pacotomi wrote:
>>>
>>> In some case I need to follow the dvi->ps->pdf tortuous lane :-)
>>> How can I make Aquamacs bind the 3 steps  (eliminate unwanted  
>>> files, make the coffee) when I compile my foo.tex ?

The simpdftex engine does the three steps.
This is what I do in order to use the simpdftex engine (add it to your  
~/.emacs file, and you'll find a new menu entry for simpdftex):

   (defvar simpdflatex-program
     "simpdftex latex --mode dvips --maxpfb --distiller ps2pdf14"
     "PDFLaTeX program via dvips")

   (defun simpdflatex-command nil simpdflatex-program)

   (setq TeX-expand-list
	 (cons '("%(simpdflatex)"  (lambda nil (simpdflatex-command)))
	       TeX-expand-list))

   (setq TeX-command-list
	 (cons '("simPDFLaTeX" "%(simpdflatex) %t" TeX-run-TeX nil
		 (latex-mode doctex-mode) :help "Run pLaTeX")
	       TeX-command-list))

   (setq TeX-command-output-list
	 (cons '("simpdftex" ("pdf"))
	       TeX-command-output-list))

By the way, this would be a general way to add arbitrary engines.
cheers
--e.


From sergio at village-buzz.com  Mon Nov 17 21:00:12 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Mon Nov 17 21:00:17 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] installing bbdb on aquamacs
Message-ID: <2A303CAE-808F-4E33-9063-1195242E52FA@village-buzz.com>



has anyone installed bbdb on aquamacs?

i went to install it, and it doesn't seem like there is a configure  
file in the root.. there is a configure.ac, but no configure file..

am i missing something?

thanks!

___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk  Mon Nov 17 21:40:22 2008
From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill)
Date: Mon Nov 17 21:55:55 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] installing bbdb on aquamacs
In-Reply-To: <2A303CAE-808F-4E33-9063-1195242E52FA@village-buzz.com>
References: <2A303CAE-808F-4E33-9063-1195242E52FA@village-buzz.com>
Message-ID: <18722.11030.297014.617493@castalia.local>


sergio> has anyone installed bbdb on aquamacs?

I have.  It was long ago -- end of 2005.

sergio> i went to install it, and it doesn't seem like there is a
sergio> configure file in the root.. there is a configure.ac, but no
sergio> configure file..

The tar ball at 

         http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/bbdb-2.35.tar.gz ,

which seems to be the latest, does contain a configure script.

Where are you getting your bbdb from?

Cheers, José





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From kuepper.jochen at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 18 02:59:16 2008
From: kuepper.jochen at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jochen_K=FCpper?=)
Date: Tue Nov 18 03:17:45 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] installing bbdb on aquamacs
In-Reply-To: <2A303CAE-808F-4E33-9063-1195242E52FA@village-buzz.com>
References: <2A303CAE-808F-4E33-9063-1195242E52FA@village-buzz.com>
Message-ID: <958EC172-70BE-44A6-95F8-41245F77D1BF@googlemail.com>

On 18.11.2008, at 03:00, sergio wrote:

> has anyone installed bbdb on aquamacs?

I had used it a long time ago -- it did work at the time

> i went to install it, and it doesn't seem like there is a configure  
> file in the root.. there is a configure.ac, but no configure file..

Apparently you got it via cvs -- there should be an INSTALLL.cvs  
"manual" or an autogen.sh script.
You need to run autoconf and friends -- autogen.sh does exactly that.


A general question that erose lately with "configure"d packages (bbdb,  
EasyPG, ...) and Aquamacs:
What is the correct way to specify EMACS for compilation in batch  
mode? These configure scripts typically have an option --with-emacs=,  
but I am not sure what is the right value to pass in order to use  
Aquamacs for compilation... Any hints?

Greetings,
Jochen
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From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk  Tue Nov 18 05:12:16 2008
From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill)
Date: Tue Nov 18 05:12:37 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] installing bbdb on aquamacs
In-Reply-To: <958EC172-70BE-44A6-95F8-41245F77D1BF@googlemail.com>
References: <2A303CAE-808F-4E33-9063-1195242E52FA@village-buzz.com>
	<958EC172-70BE-44A6-95F8-41245F77D1BF@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <18722.38144.364029.755018@castalia.local>


Jochen> A general question that erose lately with "configure"d packages (bbdb,  
Jochen> EasyPG, ...) and Aquamacs:
Jochen> What is the correct way to specify EMACS for compilation in batch  
Jochen> mode? These configure scripts typically have an option --with-emacs=,  
Jochen> but I am not sure what is the right value to pass in order to use  
Jochen> Aquamacs for compilation... Any hints?

I've been using the following value for the --with-emacs option

  "/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs"

and it works fine.

Cheers, José



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Maxwell Institute and           | Phone: +44 (0) 131 6505066
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From sergio at village-buzz.com  Tue Nov 18 09:55:26 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Tue Nov 18 09:55:30 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] installing bbdb on aquamacs
In-Reply-To: <18722.11030.297014.617493@castalia.local>
References: <2A303CAE-808F-4E33-9063-1195242E52FA@village-buzz.com>
	<18722.11030.297014.617493@castalia.local>
Message-ID: <864BA88A-97BC-43AF-AE4C-0336CFDC1D87@village-buzz.com>


On Nov 17, 2008, at 9:40 PM, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:

>
> which seems to be the latest, does contain a configure script.
>
> Where are you getting your bbdb from?


okay, i found it and installed it from there..

the first version i got was git'ed from somewhere, but i don't  
remember where.. it was a few days ago..

thanks!


___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From sergio at village-buzz.com  Tue Nov 18 10:08:47 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Tue Nov 18 10:08:53 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] customizations not saving..
Message-ID: <BA559CFD-5C3D-46D1-B055-C22DFBCB924E@village-buzz.com>


i am having a weird problem that seems to be intermittent..

when i change my configuration:

* turning off "show buffers in new frames"
* adding  files to my org-mode agenda list
* adding accounts to jabber.el

i am finding that a little more than half the time, when i restart  
emacs, these customizations do not hold..

when i restart, my agenda list is empty, i have no accounts in  
jabber.el, and my show buffers in new frames is turned back on..

any ideas?

thanks!


___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From sergio at village-buzz.com  Tue Nov 18 10:10:50 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Tue Nov 18 10:10:53 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] installing bbdb on aquamacs
In-Reply-To: <958EC172-70BE-44A6-95F8-41245F77D1BF@googlemail.com>
References: <2A303CAE-808F-4E33-9063-1195242E52FA@village-buzz.com>
	<958EC172-70BE-44A6-95F8-41245F77D1BF@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <14FF63D1-F4DF-4342-BEEB-63AF3624A1C0@village-buzz.com>


On Nov 18, 2008, at 2:59 AM, Jochen Küpper wrote:

> Apparently you got it via cvs -- there should be an INSTALLL.cvs  
> "manual" or an autogen.sh script.
> You need to run autoconf and friends -- autogen.sh does exactly that.
>

i found that, but it talks about the installation process the same way..


> What is the correct way to specify EMACS for compilation in batch  
> mode? These configure scripts typically have an option --with- 
> emacs=, but I am not sure what is the right value to pass in order  
> to use Aquamacs for compilation... Any hints?


doh!

that was my next question..

i will play with bbdb and see what happens after my install..

thanks!


___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From sergio at village-buzz.com  Tue Nov 18 11:49:40 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Tue Nov 18 11:49:44 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] installing bbdb on aquamacs
In-Reply-To: <18722.38144.364029.755018@castalia.local>
References: <2A303CAE-808F-4E33-9063-1195242E52FA@village-buzz.com>
	<958EC172-70BE-44A6-95F8-41245F77D1BF@googlemail.com>
	<18722.38144.364029.755018@castalia.local>
Message-ID: <ED63C12E-B08A-4441-A202-20587D23AAEE@village-buzz.com>


On Nov 18, 2008, at 5:12 AM, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:

> I've been using the following value for the --with-emacs option
>
>  "/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs"



when i try this, i get..

sergiobook:bbdb-2.35 sergioruiz$ ./configure --with-emacs="/ 
Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs"


sergiobook:bbdb-2.35 sergioruiz$ make
cd lisp; make bbdb
Makefile:156: *** multiple target patterns.  Stop.

___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk  Tue Nov 18 12:03:56 2008
From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill)
Date: Tue Nov 18 12:22:02 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] installing bbdb on aquamacs
In-Reply-To: <ED63C12E-B08A-4441-A202-20587D23AAEE@village-buzz.com>
References: <2A303CAE-808F-4E33-9063-1195242E52FA@village-buzz.com>
	<958EC172-70BE-44A6-95F8-41245F77D1BF@googlemail.com>
	<18722.38144.364029.755018@castalia.local>
	<ED63C12E-B08A-4441-A202-20587D23AAEE@village-buzz.com>
Message-ID: <18722.62844.786583.329429@castalia.local>


>>>>> "sergio" == sergio  <sergio@village-buzz.com> writes:

sergio> On Nov 18, 2008, at 5:12 AM, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:

>> I've been using the following value for the --with-emacs option
>> 
>> "/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs"

sergio> when i try this, i get..

sergio> sergiobook:bbdb-2.35 sergioruiz$ ./configure
sergio> --with-emacs="/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs"


sergio> sergiobook:bbdb-2.35 sergioruiz$ make
sergio> cd lisp; make bbdb
sergio> Makefile:156: *** multiple target patterns.  Stop.

Hmm... it could be that it's complaining about the spaces in the
pathname.  I guess you could try escaping them, which is what I had in
mind with the "".  I have vague memories of an email discussion with
Robert Widhopf-Fenk, who maintains BBDB and VM now, about this, but I
forgot the conclusion and I can't find the emails.  Sorry.

Cheers, José






-- 
Prof José M Figueroa-O'Farrill  | Room JCMB 6321
Maxwell Institute and           | Phone: +44 (0) 131 6505066
School of Mathematics           | Fax: +44 (0) 131 6506553
University of Edinburgh         | Skype: josemiguelfigueroa
Edinburgh EH9 3JZ, Scotland, UK | Web: http://www.maths.ed.ac.uk/~jmf

The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
From david.reitter at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 12:55:59 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Tue Nov 18 14:35:37 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] installing bbdb on aquamacs
In-Reply-To: <ED63C12E-B08A-4441-A202-20587D23AAEE@village-buzz.com>
References: <2A303CAE-808F-4E33-9063-1195242E52FA@village-buzz.com>
	<958EC172-70BE-44A6-95F8-41245F77D1BF@googlemail.com>
	<18722.38144.364029.755018@castalia.local>
	<ED63C12E-B08A-4441-A202-20587D23AAEE@village-buzz.com>
Message-ID: <BAF011B9-296F-4661-8FA6-77EA977AE879@gmail.com>

On 18 Nov 2008, at 11:49, sergio wrote:
>
> sergiobook:bbdb-2.35 sergioruiz$ ./configure --with-emacs="/ 
> Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs"
>


If you get an error, then the install script is simply buggy, as it  
can't deal with spaces in the file name.

if you're on Leopard, you'll have Emacs 22 installed anyways.  It's  
faster and perfectly good to use the system's Emacs and specify the  
install location,
i.e. use --with-emacs=`which emacs`.
The install destination should be "/Library/Application Support/ 
Aquamacs Emacs" (or the equivalent in your home directory).


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From cmenzel at tamu.edu  Tue Nov 18 14:59:58 2008
From: cmenzel at tamu.edu (Christopher Menzel)
Date: Tue Nov 18 15:00:32 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] customizations not saving..
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On Nov 18, 2008, at 9:08 AM, sergio wrote:
> i am having a weird problem that seems to be intermittent..
>
> when i change my configuration:
>
> * turning off "show buffers in new frames"
> * adding  files to my org-mode agenda list
> * adding accounts to jabber.el
>
> i am finding that a little more than half the time, when i restart  
> emacs, these customizations do not hold..

Are you selecting Options --> Save Options after you make your  
customizations?

-chris

From sergio at village-buzz.com  Tue Nov 18 15:02:06 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Tue Nov 18 15:02:12 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] customizations not saving..
In-Reply-To: <39960F08-0358-4348-8E18-854D360AD3E0@tamu.edu>
References: <BA559CFD-5C3D-46D1-B055-C22DFBCB924E@village-buzz.com>
	<39960F08-0358-4348-8E18-854D360AD3E0@tamu.edu>
Message-ID: <86350B11-EAAC-4BDF-B22C-849F406FB131@village-buzz.com>


On Nov 18, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Christopher Menzel wrote:

> Are you selecting Options --> Save Options after you make your  
> customizations?
>
> -chris



yes, i am..


___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From david.reitter at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 15:06:02 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Tue Nov 18 15:06:09 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] customizations not saving..
In-Reply-To: <86350B11-EAAC-4BDF-B22C-849F406FB131@village-buzz.com>
References: <BA559CFD-5C3D-46D1-B055-C22DFBCB924E@village-buzz.com>
	<39960F08-0358-4348-8E18-854D360AD3E0@tamu.edu>
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On 18 Nov 2008, at 15:02, sergio wrote:

> On Nov 18, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Christopher Menzel wrote:
>
>> Are you selecting Options --> Save Options after you make your  
>> customizations?
>>
>> -chris
>
>
>
> yes, i am..
>


"Save Options" will only save the options set directly in the Options  
menu.   If you use customize buffers, you will need to make sure you  
click the right button (save for future sessions).
I don't know how you add to the org-mode agenda or add accounts to  
jabber.  Saving their options is something these modes need to take  
care of themselves.


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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 15:07:15 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Tue Nov 18 15:07:21 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] customizations not saving..
In-Reply-To: <BA559CFD-5C3D-46D1-B055-C22DFBCB924E@village-buzz.com>
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On 18 Nov 2008, at 10:08, sergio wrote:
>
> when i restart, my agenda list is empty, i have no accounts in  
> jabber.el, and my show buffers in new frames is turned back on..

Further to my previous e-mail:  "Save Options" works fine for me  
w.r.t. to "show buffers in new frames".
You can always have a look at the file "customizations.el" to see  
whether this settings (one-buffer-one-frame-mode) has been saved.


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From sergio at village-buzz.com  Tue Nov 18 15:10:00 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Tue Nov 18 15:10:03 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] customizations not saving..
In-Reply-To: <95425846-37D2-42E4-9A1C-D5A2E0AC4B2B@gmail.com>
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	<39960F08-0358-4348-8E18-854D360AD3E0@tamu.edu>
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On Nov 18, 2008, at 3:06 PM, David Reitter wrote:

> I don't know how you add to the org-mode agenda or add accounts to  
> jabber.  Saving their options is something these modes need to take  
> care of themselves.



yeah, i have been doing that too..

very strange.


___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From info at reatlas.com  Wed Nov 19 01:06:41 2008
From: info at reatlas.com (Ethan Herdrick)
Date: Wed Nov 19 02:04:31 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Visit a file within the current window?
Message-ID: <91f48dbf0811182206t39d0a104l9dfa8ae27961f33b@mail.gmail.com>

I'd really like for C-x C-f to replace the contents of the current
window, as in traditional versions of emacs.  But I'd be satisfied
with any other way to do that - to visit a file within the current
window.  Is that possible?
From hindiogine at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 10:25:19 2008
From: hindiogine at gmail.com (Salvatore Enrico Indiogine)
Date: Wed Nov 19 10:25:23 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
Message-ID: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!   I use OSX 10.5 and Emacs Aquamacs.  I am wondering about using
Emacs to do my email.  Is it worth it?  Presently I use Gmail in
Firefox.

Thanks,
Enrico

-- 
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Mathematics Education
Texas A&M University
Email: hindiogine@gmail.com
Skype: hindiogine
From sergio at village-buzz.com  Wed Nov 19 10:34:54 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Wed Nov 19 10:34:58 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
In-Reply-To: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0EF381B7-91FF-4BBC-937C-3EA082EB7D10@village-buzz.com>


On Nov 19, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Salvatore Enrico Indiogine wrote:

> Hi!   I use OSX 10.5 and Emacs Aquamacs.  I am wondering about using
> Emacs to do my email.  Is it worth it?  Presently I use Gmail in



there is some good info here:

http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusGmail

the only problem that i have had is figuring out how to my emails.

i have a few folders that i just throw everything that i file into..  
the only problem is that this type of filing system relies heavily on  
the ability to search those boxes..

i also get some emails that are html, and i end up with a mess to sift  
through..



___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From kuepper.jochen at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 19 10:44:22 2008
From: kuepper.jochen at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jochen_K=FCpper?=)
Date: Wed Nov 19 10:44:29 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
In-Reply-To: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72923D86-1FB5-45BC-AEE2-67684AEA092B@googlemail.com>

Hi,

> Hi!   I use OSX 10.5 and Emacs Aquamacs.  I am wondering about using
> Emacs to do my email.  Is it worth it?  Presently I use Gmail in
> Firefox.


what's wrong with Mail.app?

I had used Gnus for many years. When I got my first Mac about two  
years ago, I continued to do that (Gnus in Aquamacs). It worked well.

But fairly soon I realized that Mail.app and iCal and the Adressbook  
do the same job for me, but they are there anyway, are nicer, are  
better integrated into the system... I stopped using Gnus fairly  
quickly, although I have occasionally used it remotely on an Unix  
machine when my Mac wasn't around.

Greetings,
Jochen
-- 
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit                http://www.Jochen-Kuepper.de
     Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité                GnuPG key: CC1B0B4D
         Sex, drugs and rock-n-roll


From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk  Wed Nov 19 11:00:58 2008
From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill)
Date: Wed Nov 19 11:01:14 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
In-Reply-To: <72923D86-1FB5-45BC-AEE2-67684AEA092B@googlemail.com>
References: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<72923D86-1FB5-45BC-AEE2-67684AEA092B@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <18724.14394.96547.627325@castalia.local>


>>>>> "Jochen" == Jochen Küpper <kuepper.jochen@googlemail.com> writes:

Jochen> Hi,

>> Hi!   I use OSX 10.5 and Emacs Aquamacs.  I am wondering about using
>> Emacs to do my email.  Is it worth it?  Presently I use Gmail in
>> Firefox.

Jochen> what's wrong with Mail.app?

Jochen> I had used Gnus for many years. When I got my first Mac about two  
Jochen> years ago, I continued to do that (Gnus in Aquamacs). It worked well.

Jochen> But fairly soon I realized that Mail.app and iCal and the Adressbook  
Jochen> do the same job for me, but they are there anyway, are nicer, are  
Jochen> better integrated into the system... I stopped using Gnus fairly  
Jochen> quickly, although I have occasionally used it remotely on an Unix  
Jochen> machine when my Mac wasn't around.

I use Mail.app to screen emails -- as it handles HTML emails well
and it is also very convenient to save attachments,... however for
composing emails, I prefer to use VM in Aquamacs.  Alas, VM does not come
with Aquamacs and one has to install it separately.  Also it seems
that VM is being maintained by people of the XEmacs persuasion and
a lot -- certainly more than I feel able to do -- would have perhaps
to be done to bring it under Aquamacs.  VM does integrate nicely with BBDB
and being in Emacs is infinitely customisable.  To mention but one
of the many things I like about it: it can set the outgoing mail
server automatically depending on location, which is very convenient
for me as I travel a lot.

Anyway, I hesitate to answer the original question because this is a
case where your mileage will vary, but in my case it certainly is.

Cheers,
José

-- 
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Maxwell Institute and           | Phone: +44 (0) 131 6505066
School of Mathematics           | Fax: +44 (0) 131 6506553
University of Edinburgh         | Skype: josemiguelfigueroa
Edinburgh EH9 3JZ, Scotland, UK | Web: http://www.maths.ed.ac.uk/~jmf

The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
From kuepper.jochen at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 19 11:25:27 2008
From: kuepper.jochen at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jochen_K=FCpper?=)
Date: Wed Nov 19 11:25:31 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
In-Reply-To: <18724.14394.96547.627325@castalia.local>
References: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<72923D86-1FB5-45BC-AEE2-67684AEA092B@googlemail.com>
	<18724.14394.96547.627325@castalia.local>
Message-ID: <8F46BB6F-21CB-4CBC-85D6-9A0C994212A8@googlemail.com>


On 19.11.2008, at 17:00, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:

> Jochen> what's wrong with Mail.app?
>
> Jochen> I had used Gnus for many years. When I got my first Mac  
> about two
> Jochen> years ago, I continued to do that (Gnus in Aquamacs). It  
> worked well.
>
> Jochen> But fairly soon I realized that Mail.app and iCal and the  
> Adressbook
> Jochen> do the same job for me, but they are there anyway, are  
> nicer, are
> Jochen> better integrated into the system... I stopped using Gnus  
> fairly
> Jochen> quickly, although I have occasionally used it remotely on an  
> Unix
> Jochen> machine when my Mac wasn't around.
>
> I use Mail.app to screen emails -- as it handles HTML emails well
> and it is also very convenient to save attachments,... however for
> composing emails, I prefer to use VM in Aquamacs.  Alas, VM does not  
> come
> with Aquamacs and one has to install it separately.  Also it seems
> that VM is being maintained by people of the XEmacs persuasion and
> a lot -- certainly more than I feel able to do -- would have perhaps
> to be done to bring it under Aquamacs.  VM does integrate nicely  
> with BBDB
> and being in Emacs is infinitely customisable.  To mention but one
> of the many things I like about it: it can set the outgoing mail
> server automatically depending on location, which is very convenient
> for me as I travel a lot.
>
> Anyway, I hesitate to answer the original question because this is a
> case where your mileage will vary, but in my case it certainly is.


good points -- I totally agree!

I solve the smtp problem by having a mail-server with authentication  
on port 80 -- therefore, I can use the same server everywhere;-)

But, as you said, what really makes the difference is when and where  
you "do the work".
Customizing Emacs is definitely *not* the worst possibility!

Good Luck (oh man, VM -- I had been using that ages ago;-)) It's  
interesting to see how this stuff keeps sticking around; this must be  
some quality-thing, really. And it also works on pretty much any real  
operating system developed over the last decades...

Greetings,
Jochen
-- 
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     Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité                GnuPG key: CC1B0B4D
         Sex, drugs and rock-n-roll


From david.reitter at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 11:05:08 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Wed Nov 19 11:36:20 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
In-Reply-To: <18724.14394.96547.627325@castalia.local>
References: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<72923D86-1FB5-45BC-AEE2-67684AEA092B@googlemail.com>
	<18724.14394.96547.627325@castalia.local>
Message-ID: <CBEB38F7-BF87-420B-81B6-A97D04BEA9E0@gmail.com>

On 19 Nov 2008, at 11:00, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:
> I use Mail.app to screen emails -- as it handles HTML emails well
> and it is also very convenient to save attachments,... however for
> composing emails, I prefer to use VM in Aquamacs.  Alas, VM does not  
> come
> with Aquamacs and one has to install it separately.  Also it seems
> that VM is being maintained by people of the XEmacs persuasion and
> a lot -- certainly more than I feel able to do -- would have perhaps
> to be done to bring it under Aquamacs.  VM does integrate nicely  
> with BBDB
> and being in Emacs is infinitely customisable.  To mention but one
> of the many things I like about it: it can set the outgoing mail
> server automatically depending on location, which is very convenient
> for me as I travel a lot.

If you've installed it in (~)/Library/.../, it would be nice if you'd  
bundle it up and offer an installer package for it.  We could put that  
on the Aquamacs homepage.

- David
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From billclem at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 11:44:59 2008
From: billclem at gmail.com (Bill Clementson)
Date: Wed Nov 19 12:41:04 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
In-Reply-To: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8757cb490811190844y23c1fb80gd73b1dc994a50f0a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Enrico,

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:25 AM, Salvatore Enrico Indiogine
<hindiogine@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!   I use OSX 10.5 and Emacs Aquamacs.  I am wondering about using
> Emacs to do my email.  Is it worth it?  Presently I use Gmail in
> Firefox.

At different times, I've used both VM and Gnus to read my gmail mail
in Emacs. I documented what I did to get things setup on my blog:

VM: http://bc.tech.coop/blog/061023.html
Gnus: http://bc.tech.coop/blog/070813.html

Like you, I was using Aquamacs. For various reasons, I have stopped
using Emacs to read my mail; however, both VM and Gnus worked quite
nicely with gmail while I was using them.

--
Bill Clementson
From ian at digg.com  Wed Nov 19 13:48:52 2008
From: ian at digg.com (Ian Eure)
Date: Wed Nov 19 13:48:57 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Visit a file within the current window?
In-Reply-To: <91f48dbf0811182206t39d0a104l9dfa8ae27961f33b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <91f48dbf0811182206t39d0a104l9dfa8ae27961f33b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <079C94BD-0822-44D9-B1B6-7767D9966937@digg.com>

On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:06 PM, Ethan Herdrick wrote:

> I'd really like for C-x C-f to replace the contents of the current
> window, as in traditional versions of emacs.  But I'd be satisfied
> with any other way to do that - to visit a file within the current
> window.  Is that possible?
Turn off one-buffer-one-frame:

M-x customize-variable RET one-buffer-one-frame RET

Set it to `off', then C-x C-s.

I hate it, too.

  - Ian
From david.reitter at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 13:58:31 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Wed Nov 19 13:58:38 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Visit a file within the current window?
In-Reply-To: <079C94BD-0822-44D9-B1B6-7767D9966937@digg.com>
References: <91f48dbf0811182206t39d0a104l9dfa8ae27961f33b@mail.gmail.com>
	<079C94BD-0822-44D9-B1B6-7767D9966937@digg.com>
Message-ID: <AA2A30D4-405D-4637-ACF3-A352DD9A7042@gmail.com>

On 19 Nov 2008, at 13:48, Ian Eure wrote:
>
> M-x customize-variable RET one-buffer-one-frame RET
>
> Set it to `off', then C-x C-s.

... or use Options -> Show Buffers in New Frames

> I hate it, too.

Some 90% of Aquamacs users used OBOF when I checked (but that's not  
meant as a quality criterion, of course).

Since the advent of tabs, I'm not a proponent of one-buffer-one-frame- 
mode any longer.  Starting with Aquamacs 1.6, we're going to have tabs  
enabled by default, and one-buffer-one-frame disabled.  (Command-N  
will still open a new frame.)


--
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From hindiogine at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 10:49:16 2008
From: hindiogine at gmail.com (Salvatore Enrico Indiogine)
Date: Wed Nov 19 14:13:15 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
In-Reply-To: <72923D86-1FB5-45BC-AEE2-67684AEA092B@googlemail.com>
References: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<72923D86-1FB5-45BC-AEE2-67684AEA092B@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <62622fe70811190749m5d0b21c8mca1a3df44c64233d@mail.gmail.com>

Jochen,

2008/11/19 Jochen Küpper <kuepper.jochen@googlemail.com>:
> Hi,
>
>> Hi!   I use OSX 10.5 and Emacs Aquamacs.  I am wondering about using
>> Emacs to do my email.  Is it worth it?  Presently I use Gmail in
>> Firefox.
>
>
> what's wrong with Mail.app?

I suppose nothing wrong.  I do not use it.  I use Gmail in Firefox.  I
am starting to use org-mode and it appears to me that it works better
with Emacs email.

I could be totally wrong.

Thanks,
Enrico


-- 
Enrico Indiogine

Mathematics Education
Texas A&M University
Email: hindiogine@gmail.com
Skype: hindiogine
From juan.m.restrepo at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 14:14:01 2008
From: juan.m.restrepo at gmail.com (juan restrepo)
Date: Wed Nov 19 14:45:40 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] column editing
Message-ID: <6775604e0811191114v3e6aa100xdb640e7e2a5f38aa@mail.gmail.com>

...tried to find the commands that allow one to copy and paste,
for example, a multi-column ascii file, as one could do with awk.

Is it still possible to do this in aquamacs?

Could someone tell me the commands to swipe/yank/replace columns or
portions thereof, or suggest what pages to look at for these commands?

thanks

Juan



-- 
Prof. Juan M. Restrepo
Department of Mathematics
Physics Department

http://www.physics.arizona.edu/~restrepo

Mathematics Department
University of Arizona
Tucson AZ 85721, U.S.A.

520 621 4367
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From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 15:00:01 2008
From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham)
Date: Wed Nov 19 15:00:07 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] column editing
In-Reply-To: <6775604e0811191114v3e6aa100xdb640e7e2a5f38aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6775604e0811191114v3e6aa100xdb640e7e2a5f38aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20ecf6c70811191200l6ac488f2ye6a5f1ffe4f6bc1b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 1:14 PM, juan restrepo <juan.m.restrepo@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> ...tried to find the commands that allow one to copy and paste,
> for example, a multi-column ascii file, as one could do with awk.
>
> Is it still possible to do this in aquamacs?
>

Certainly.  See the emacs manual section on Rectangle commands :
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Rectangles.html

Also useful is the enhanced rectangle support in cua.el, which is included
in Aquamacs; see "CUA rectangle support" in
http://www.cua.dk/cua.el

--Nathaniel
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From kuepper.jochen at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 19 15:04:41 2008
From: kuepper.jochen at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jochen_K=FCpper?=)
Date: Wed Nov 19 15:04:47 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] column editing
In-Reply-To: <6775604e0811191114v3e6aa100xdb640e7e2a5f38aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6775604e0811191114v3e6aa100xdb640e7e2a5f38aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <07B68E8B-3288-407E-ADE6-7EBA96E580F6@googlemail.com>

On 19.11.2008, at 20:14, juan restrepo wrote:

> ...tried to find the commands that allow one to copy and paste,
> for example, a multi-column ascii file, as one could do with awk.
>
> Is it still possible to do this in aquamacs?
>
> Could someone tell me the commands to swipe/yank/replace columns or
> portions thereof, or suggest what pages to look at for these commands?

Everything possible... In Emacspeak this is called "rectangle".
For a start, run M-x apropos RET rectangle RET

Greetings,
Jochen
-- 
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit                http://www.Jochen-Kuepper.de
     Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité                GnuPG key: CC1B0B4D
         Sex, drugs and rock-n-roll


From juan.m.restrepo at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 15:41:57 2008
From: juan.m.restrepo at gmail.com (juan restrepo)
Date: Wed Nov 19 15:42:05 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] column editing
In-Reply-To: <07B68E8B-3288-407E-ADE6-7EBA96E580F6@googlemail.com>
References: <6775604e0811191114v3e6aa100xdb640e7e2a5f38aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<07B68E8B-3288-407E-ADE6-7EBA96E580F6@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <6775604e0811191241l46f4094dwad25d876566706ee@mail.gmail.com>

ah! thanks Jochem and Nathaniel!

looks like the tradition of gnu continues...Emacsspeak! it turns out that I
had forgotten
that the old commands were rectangle....

Juan


On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Jochen Küpper <
kuepper.jochen@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 19.11.2008, at 20:14, juan restrepo wrote:
>
>  ...tried to find the commands that allow one to copy and paste,
>> for example, a multi-column ascii file, as one could do with awk.
>>
>> Is it still possible to do this in aquamacs?
>>
>> Could someone tell me the commands to swipe/yank/replace columns or
>> portions thereof, or suggest what pages to look at for these commands?
>>
>
> Everything possible... In Emacspeak this is called "rectangle".
> For a start, run M-x apropos RET rectangle RET
>
> Greetings,
> Jochen
> --
> Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
> http://www.Jochen-Kuepper.de
>    Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité                GnuPG key: CC1B0B4D
>        Sex, drugs and rock-n-roll
>
>
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-- 
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Department of Mathematics
Physics Department

http://www.physics.arizona.edu/~restrepo

Mathematics Department
University of Arizona
Tucson AZ 85721, U.S.A.

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From info at reatlas.com  Wed Nov 19 16:19:37 2008
From: info at reatlas.com (Ethan Herdrick)
Date: Wed Nov 19 16:19:44 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Visit a file within the current window?
In-Reply-To: <AA2A30D4-405D-4637-ACF3-A352DD9A7042@gmail.com>
References: <91f48dbf0811182206t39d0a104l9dfa8ae27961f33b@mail.gmail.com>
	<079C94BD-0822-44D9-B1B6-7767D9966937@digg.com>
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Ah, thank you, Ian.  Glad to hear it, David.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:58 AM, David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 19 Nov 2008, at 13:48, Ian Eure wrote:
>>
>> M-x customize-variable RET one-buffer-one-frame RET
>>
>> Set it to `off', then C-x C-s.
>
> ... or use Options -> Show Buffers in New Frames
>
>> I hate it, too.
>
> Some 90% of Aquamacs users used OBOF when I checked (but that's not meant as
> a quality criterion, of course).
>
> Since the advent of tabs, I'm not a proponent of one-buffer-one-frame-mode
> any longer.  Starting with Aquamacs 1.6, we're going to have tabs enabled by
> default, and one-buffer-one-frame disabled.  (Command-N will still open a
> new frame.)
>
>
> --
> http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
> http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and
> support the Aquamacs Project!
> _____________________________________________________________
> MacOSX-Emacs mailing list
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>
From cmenzel at tamu.edu  Wed Nov 19 17:54:01 2008
From: cmenzel at tamu.edu (Christopher Menzel)
Date: Wed Nov 19 17:54:35 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
In-Reply-To: <72923D86-1FB5-45BC-AEE2-67684AEA092B@googlemail.com>
References: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<72923D86-1FB5-45BC-AEE2-67684AEA092B@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <B61A33EC-7CF7-4AF4-AB4F-E1D6F65454A5@tamu.edu>

On Nov 19, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Jochen Küpper wrote:
>> Hi!   I use OSX 10.5 and Emacs Aquamacs.  I am wondering about  
>> using Emacs to do my email.  Is it worth it?  Presently I use Gmail  
>> in Firefox.
>
> what's wrong with Mail.app?
>
> I had used Gnus for many years. When I got my first Mac about two  
> years ago, I continued to do that (Gnus in Aquamacs). It worked well.
>
> But fairly soon I realized that Mail.app and iCal and the Adressbook  
> do the same job for me, but they are there anyway, are nicer, are  
> better integrated into the system...

I'm not especially crazy about Mail.app (I prefer Thunderbird's  
interface), but I'd have to say integration was the clincher for me.   
I love the ability to mouse over a time/day/date in an email message  
in Mail.app and just click to add an iCal event.  And Spotlight  
integration is also terrific -- it is amazing at dredging up old  
messages.  Excellent add-ins like MsgFiler (http://www.tow.com/ 
msgfiler), Letterbox (http://harnly.net/software/letterbox) and  
GPGMail (http://tinyurl.com/2xzkk) also help to shore up some of  
Mail.app's shortcomings.

Chris Menzel

From tsd at tsdye.com  Wed Nov 19 17:34:40 2008
From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
Date: Wed Nov 19 18:01:25 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] column editing
In-Reply-To: <20ecf6c70811191200l6ac488f2ye6a5f1ffe4f6bc1b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6775604e0811191114v3e6aa100xdb640e7e2a5f38aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20ecf6c70811191200l6ac488f2ye6a5f1ffe4f6bc1b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B255DB22-D9AB-43BD-A6BA-953F415F4484@tsdye.com>

Aloha all,

The following two lines from the cua.el documentation

(require 'cua)
(CUA-mode t)

when placed in Preferences.el result in this error

An error has occurred while loading `~/Library/Preferences/Aquamacs  
Emacs/Preferences.el (or .elc)':

Symbol's function definition is void: CUA-mode

How does one activate cua-mode in Preferences.el?

All the best,
Tom

On Nov 19, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Nathaniel Cunningham wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 1:14 PM, juan restrepo <juan.m.restrepo@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
> ...tried to find the commands that allow one to copy and paste,
> for example, a multi-column ascii file, as one could do with awk.
>
> Is it still possible to do this in aquamacs?
>
> Certainly.  See the emacs manual section on Rectangle commands :
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Rectangles.html
>
> Also useful is the enhanced rectangle support in cua.el, which is  
> included in Aquamacs; see "CUA rectangle support" in
> http://www.cua.dk/cua.el
>
> --Nathaniel
>
>
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From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Wed Nov 19 18:42:32 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] column editing
In-Reply-To: <B255DB22-D9AB-43BD-A6BA-953F415F4484@tsdye.com>
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On 19 Nov 2008, at 17:34, Thomas S. Dye wrote:
>
> How does one activate cua-mode in Preferences.el?


cua-mode is always active by default in Aquamacs.


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From juergen.fenn at GMX.DE  Wed Nov 19 18:19:58 2008
From: juergen.fenn at GMX.DE (Juergen Fenn)
Date: Wed Nov 19 18:46:43 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
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Christopher Menzel schrieb:

> I'm not especially crazy about Mail.app (I prefer Thunderbird's
> interface), but I'd have to say integration was the clincher for me.  I
> love the ability to mouse over a time/day/date in an email message in
> Mail.app and just click to add an iCal event.  

You can do so, too, with Thunderbird and Lightning.

> And Spotlight integration
> is also terrific

You don't need that, as you can search Thunderbird which is much more
reliable as Spotlight will ever be.

Jürgen.

From tsd at tsdye.com  Wed Nov 19 19:27:13 2008
From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
Date: Wed Nov 19 19:27:22 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] column editing
In-Reply-To: <7DE651BC-26CF-45D5-B29F-F5F7BDB1CA7E@gmail.com>
References: <6775604e0811191114v3e6aa100xdb640e7e2a5f38aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20ecf6c70811191200l6ac488f2ye6a5f1ffe4f6bc1b@mail.gmail.com>
	<B255DB22-D9AB-43BD-A6BA-953F415F4484@tsdye.com>
	<7DE651BC-26CF-45D5-B29F-F5F7BDB1CA7E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C0F6CC30-FD9D-4D59-AAE7-10B0F6B4D82B@tsdye.com>

Hmm.  Then these instructions about cursor color in Preferences.el  
don't seem to have the correct effect.  The cursor is still red in a  
read-only buffer.  Tom

;;; CUA mode indications

;; As mentioned above, the cursor will blink when the global mark is
;; active.  In addition, you can choose to let CUA-mode use different
;; cursor colors to indicate overwrite mode and read-only buffers.
;; For example, the following setting will use a RED cursor in normal
;; (insertion) mode in read-write buffers, a YELLOW cursor in
;; overwrite mode in read-write buffers, and a GREEN cursor read-only
;; buffers:
;;
;;  (setq CUA-mode-normal-cursor-color "red")
;;  (setq CUA-mode-overwrite-cursor-color "yellow")
;;  (setq CUA-mode-read-only-cursor-color "green")
;;
On Nov 19, 2008, at 1:42 PM, David Reitter wrote:

> On 19 Nov 2008, at 17:34, Thomas S. Dye wrote:
>>
>> How does one activate cua-mode in Preferences.el?
>
>
> cua-mode is always active by default in Aquamacs.
>
>
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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 22:42:49 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Wed Nov 19 22:42:59 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] column editing
In-Reply-To: <C0F6CC30-FD9D-4D59-AAE7-10B0F6B4D82B@tsdye.com>
References: <6775604e0811191114v3e6aa100xdb640e7e2a5f38aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20ecf6c70811191200l6ac488f2ye6a5f1ffe4f6bc1b@mail.gmail.com>
	<B255DB22-D9AB-43BD-A6BA-953F415F4484@tsdye.com>
	<7DE651BC-26CF-45D5-B29F-F5F7BDB1CA7E@gmail.com>
	<C0F6CC30-FD9D-4D59-AAE7-10B0F6B4D82B@tsdye.com>
Message-ID: <50F6B1DD-73F6-430A-B486-98821626D9F3@gmail.com>

On 19 Nov 2008, at 19:27, Thomas S. Dye wrote:

> Hmm.  Then these instructions about cursor color in Preferences.el  
> don't seem to have the correct effect.  The cursor is still red in a  
> read-only buffer.  Tom

Have you considered that these instructions could be faulty or out-of- 
date?
Does the file you're looking at carry a date?

I found some rather old (Emacs 20!) cua.el files out there just now.

C-h v over the variable in question doesn't give anything, i.e. it's  
not a known variable... that is usually a good indicator that the  
names have changed.

If you have C-h v cua- TAB, you get a bunch of variable names that  
have to do with cua.  One of them is `cua-overwrite-cursor- 
color' (note the capitalization), which I think is what you're  
interested in.


> ;;; CUA mode indications
>
> ;; As mentioned above, the cursor will blink when the global mark is
> ;; active.  In addition, you can choose to let CUA-mode use different
> ;; cursor colors to indicate overwrite mode and read-only buffers.
> ;; For example, the following setting will use a RED cursor in normal
> ;; (insertion) mode in read-write buffers, a YELLOW cursor in
> ;; overwrite mode in read-write buffers, and a GREEN cursor read-only
> ;; buffers:
> ;;
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From tsd at tsdye.com  Wed Nov 19 23:39:36 2008
From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
Date: Wed Nov 19 23:40:17 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] column editing
In-Reply-To: <50F6B1DD-73F6-430A-B486-98821626D9F3@gmail.com>
References: <6775604e0811191114v3e6aa100xdb640e7e2a5f38aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20ecf6c70811191200l6ac488f2ye6a5f1ffe4f6bc1b@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <A35DDCEA-10BF-4A5B-BA78-4EE090D615BB@tsdye.com>

Yes, sorry.  I was following the link Nathaniel Cunningham provided  
earlier in the day, which looked interesting.  I didn't anticipate all  
the complexities.

On Nov 19, 2008, at 5:42 PM, David Reitter wrote:

> On 19 Nov 2008, at 19:27, Thomas S. Dye wrote:
>
>> Hmm.  Then these instructions about cursor color in Preferences.el  
>> don't seem to have the correct effect.  The cursor is still red in  
>> a read-only buffer.  Tom
>
> Have you considered that these instructions could be faulty or out- 
> of-date?
> Does the file you're looking at carry a date?
>
> I found some rather old (Emacs 20!) cua.el files out there just now.
>
> C-h v over the variable in question doesn't give anything, i.e. it's  
> not a known variable... that is usually a good indicator that the  
> names have changed.
>
> If you have C-h v cua- TAB, you get a bunch of variable names that  
> have to do with cua.  One of them is `cua-overwrite-cursor- 
> color' (note the capitalization), which I think is what you're  
> interested in.
>
>
>> ;;; CUA mode indications
>>
>> ;; As mentioned above, the cursor will blink when the global mark is
>> ;; active.  In addition, you can choose to let CUA-mode use different
>> ;; cursor colors to indicate overwrite mode and read-only buffers.
>> ;; For example, the following setting will use a RED cursor in normal
>> ;; (insertion) mode in read-write buffers, a YELLOW cursor in
>> ;; overwrite mode in read-write buffers, and a GREEN cursor read-only
>> ;; buffers:
>> ;;
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From sergio at village-buzz.com  Thu Nov 20 00:06:43 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Thu Nov 20 00:06:47 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] aquamacs on saving customizations.el
Message-ID: <2A857B27-2950-46EA-B5B4-46418492343D@village-buzz.com>


ok, i am able to reproduce this one..

when i use org-mode to add files to my agenda list using C-c [, it  
adds the variables to my customizations.el..

this seems to turn off the settings i made earlier via the aquamacs  
menu..

so when i restart aquamacs, i am returned to the how buffers in new  
frame..

so, i go to turn that off again.. and save the settings...

then, it blasts out the settings that were made previously... adding  
my files to the agenda list..

changing customizations.el from either place overrides the other one..

anyone else having this problem?

thanks!

___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From sergio at village-buzz.com  Thu Nov 20 09:08:37 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Thu Nov 20 09:08:39 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] overwriting customizations.el
Message-ID: <6B50253A-4FC4-475C-B19D-00D0FD375713@village-buzz.com>

okay, one more piece of info..

i save my customizations for org-mode..

then, i started up jabber.el again, and all my information was gone..

so i added it back in..

meanwhile, i had customizations.el open, and watched it...

all of my customizations got zapped. and replaced with the stuff from  
jabber.el..


any ideas?


___
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
www.village-buzz.com



From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 09:57:20 2008
From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham)
Date: Thu Nov 20 09:57:24 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] aquamacs on saving customizations.el
In-Reply-To: <2A857B27-2950-46EA-B5B4-46418492343D@village-buzz.com>
References: <2A857B27-2950-46EA-B5B4-46418492343D@village-buzz.com>
Message-ID: <20ecf6c70811200657h4f43ae40y5d34babb71bf6faa@mail.gmail.com>

I cannot reproduce this.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:06 PM, sergio <sergio@village-buzz.com> wrote:

>
> when i use org-mode to add files to my agenda list using C-c [, it adds the
> variables to my customizations.el..
>
> this seems to turn off the settings i made earlier via the aquamacs menu..
>

In my case, C-c [ in org-mode adds new content to customizations.el, but has
no effect on the other settings stored there.  Likewise, changing the
settings for Tabs or Show Buffers in New Frames, followed by Save Options,
alters the relevant content in customizations.el, without affecting the
org-mode variable entries.

--Nathaniel
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From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 10:04:23 2008
From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham)
Date: Thu Nov 20 10:32:10 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] column editing
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	<20ecf6c70811191200l6ac488f2ye6a5f1ffe4f6bc1b@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Thomas S. Dye <tsd@tsdye.com> wrote:

> Yes, sorry.  I was following the link Nathaniel Cunningham provided earlier
> in the day, which looked interesting.  I didn't anticipate all the
> complexities.


Sorry for linking an out-of-date version.   Notes and keybindings for
cua-mode and CUA rectangle support are given in cua-base.el located at
Contents/Resourcs/lisp/emulation/cua-base.el.gz in the Aquamacs application
bundle.

--Nathaniel
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From pdfinn at uwm.edu  Thu Nov 20 10:12:52 2008
From: pdfinn at uwm.edu (pdfinn@uwm.edu)
Date: Thu Nov 20 10:38:54 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
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References: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
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> Hi!   I use OSX 10.5 and Emacs Aquamacs.  I am wondering about using
> Emacs to do my email.  Is it worth it?  Presently I use Gmail in
> Firefox.

Hi Enrico,

I use Wanderlust for my day-to-day email needs; and you might want to
give it a try yourself.  Wanderlust supports a range of advanced
features, and can be integrated with w3m to render HTML email inside
Emacs.  Wanderlust does not have integrated access to the OS X address
book, but it does integrate with the popular Emacs database BBDB---which
can be synchronized with your OS X address book (so this is not really
an issue).  I have had trouble using Wanderlust with .Mac/Me, but use it
with Gmail without trouble.

In Carbon Emacs, you can install Wanderlust through a menu command which
makes it easy to start working with Wanderlust right away.  I have also
gotten it working ``manually'' but this route is a bit more involved as
Wanderlust requires several additional libraries.

Another route you might want to try using Mutt, an advanced command-line
email client.  While Mutt runs as a separate program apart from Emacs,
it integrates satisfactorily by using Emacs as its editing program, and
displaying folder summaries, etc, in an Emacs buffer.

If you spend a lot of time working in Emacs it is very
convenient to manage you email there as well---especially if you use
predictive mode, or other text modes that are not available outside of
Emacs, or want the full range of Emacs editing commands at your
disposal.

Peter
From tsd at tsdye.com  Thu Nov 20 12:05:35 2008
From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
Date: Thu Nov 20 12:32:44 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] column editing
In-Reply-To: <20ecf6c70811200704g2d9378c9se191ae0c86ea8a2a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6775604e0811191114v3e6aa100xdb640e7e2a5f38aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20ecf6c70811191200l6ac488f2ye6a5f1ffe4f6bc1b@mail.gmail.com>
	<B255DB22-D9AB-43BD-A6BA-953F415F4484@tsdye.com>
	<7DE651BC-26CF-45D5-B29F-F5F7BDB1CA7E@gmail.com>
	<C0F6CC30-FD9D-4D59-AAE7-10B0F6B4D82B@tsdye.com>
	<50F6B1DD-73F6-430A-B486-98821626D9F3@gmail.com>
	<A35DDCEA-10BF-4A5B-BA78-4EE090D615BB@tsdye.com>
	<20ecf6c70811200704g2d9378c9se191ae0c86ea8a2a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6A84A91-B3F9-4C8D-85DA-78CF5368E06A@tsdye.com>

No worries about the link and thanks for the pointer to the up-to-date  
instructions.  I've learned a lot from your posts to this list.  Tom

On Nov 20, 2008, at 5:04 AM, Nathaniel Cunningham wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Thomas S. Dye <tsd@tsdye.com> wrote:
> Yes, sorry.  I was following the link Nathaniel Cunningham provided  
> earlier in the day, which looked interesting.  I didn't anticipate  
> all the complexities.
>
> Sorry for linking an out-of-date version.   Notes and keybindings  
> for cua-mode and CUA rectangle support are given in cua-base.el  
> located at Contents/Resourcs/lisp/emulation/cua-base.el.gz in the  
> Aquamacs application bundle.
>
> --Nathaniel
>
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From cmenzel at tamu.edu  Thu Nov 20 15:10:29 2008
From: cmenzel at tamu.edu (Christopher Menzel)
Date: Thu Nov 20 15:10:32 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
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On Nov 19, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Juergen Fenn wrote:
> Christopher Menzel schrieb:
>
>> I'm not especially crazy about Mail.app (I prefer Thunderbird's  
>> interface), but I'd have to say integration was the clincher for  
>> me.  I love the ability to mouse over a time/day/date in an email  
>> message in Mail.app and just click to add an iCal event.
>
> You can do so, too, with Thunderbird and Lightning.

Well, yeah, sure; that is another way to get a level of OS integration  
that you miss using Gnus or VM.

>> And Spotlight integration is also terrific
>
> You don't need that, as you can search Thunderbird which is much  
> more reliable as Spotlight will ever be.

This is no doubt a matter of personally varying mileage, but I use  
Thunderbird (with Lightning and Provider) on a Linux box at work and  
have found its search facility to be (at best) no more powerful and  
accurate than Spotlight.  Moreover, if you use Mail.app, then  
(assuming you use the default option of storing local copies of your  
IMAP folders) when you do a general Spotlight search, it will also  
bring up your mail messages along with other data.  I've found these  
integrated searches to be very useful.  There was a Spotlight plugin  
for importing Thunderbird mail but it has had a lot of problems that I  
believe are still not resolved.

-chris

From skip at pobox.com  Thu Nov 20 19:48:26 2008
From: skip at pobox.com (skip@pobox.com)
Date: Thu Nov 20 19:48:37 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
In-Reply-To: <72923D86-1FB5-45BC-AEE2-67684AEA092B@googlemail.com>
References: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<72923D86-1FB5-45BC-AEE2-67684AEA092B@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <18726.1370.280025.807373@montanaro-dyndns-org.local>


    Jochen> what's wrong with Mail.app?

Doesn't run on the computers at work for one thing.  For another just about
any text composition facility pales in comparison with Emacs (of any
stripe).  It is handy to be able to pump on a mail message to, say,
python-dev@python.org when you're working on the Python source without
having to switch contexts into a different program.

    Jochen> I had used Gnus for many years. When I got my first Mac about
    Jochen> two years ago, I continued to do that (Gnus in Aquamacs). It
    Jochen> worked well.

I wish VM worked in Aquamacs.

-- 
Skip Montanaro - skip@pobox.com - http://smontanaro.dyndns.org/
From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk  Thu Nov 20 19:59:30 2008
From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill)
Date: Thu Nov 20 19:59:35 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
In-Reply-To: <18726.1370.280025.807373@montanaro-dyndns-org.local>
References: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<72923D86-1FB5-45BC-AEE2-67684AEA092B@googlemail.com>
	<18726.1370.280025.807373@montanaro-dyndns-org.local>
Message-ID: <18726.2034.937939.736296@dhcp128.albanova.se>


>>>>> "skip" == skip  <skip@pobox.com> writes:

Jochen> what's wrong with Mail.app?

skip> Doesn't run on the computers at work for one thing.  For another
skip> just about any text composition facility pales in comparison
skip> with Emacs (of any stripe).  It is handy to be able to pump on a
skip> mail message to, say, python-dev@python.org when you're working
skip> on the Python source without having to switch contexts into a
skip> different program.

Jochen> I had used Gnus for many years. When I got my first Mac about
Jochen> two years ago, I continued to do that (Gnus in Aquamacs). It
Jochen> worked well.

skip> I wish VM worked in Aquamacs.

But it does!  I'm using it to compose this very message.  (Check the
headers!)  I have promised David I will send him a tar ball with the
files, but I have been very busy.  I hope to get to it this weekend.)

Cheers, José




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From hartzell at alerce.com  Thu Nov 20 22:18:38 2008
From: hartzell at alerce.com (George Hartzell)
Date: Thu Nov 20 22:47:01 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
In-Reply-To: <18726.1370.280025.807373@montanaro-dyndns-org.local>
References: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<72923D86-1FB5-45BC-AEE2-67684AEA092B@googlemail.com>
	<18726.1370.280025.807373@montanaro-dyndns-org.local>
Message-ID: <18726.10382.773577.89284@almost.alerce.com>

skip@pobox.com writes:
 > [...]
 > I wish VM worked in Aquamacs.

It works on carbon emacs beautifully.

  GNU Emacs 22.1.50.1 (i386-apple-darwin8.11.1, Carbon Version 1.6.0)
   of 2008-01-17 on seijiz.local

I'm pretty sure I was using it on Aquamacs until I got tired of it
being so different from the emacs I used on FreeBSD.  What doesn't
work?

g.



From skip at pobox.com  Fri Nov 21 00:00:46 2008
From: skip at pobox.com (skip@pobox.com)
Date: Fri Nov 21 00:01:05 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
In-Reply-To: <18726.10382.773577.89284@almost.alerce.com>
References: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<72923D86-1FB5-45BC-AEE2-67684AEA092B@googlemail.com>
	<18726.1370.280025.807373@montanaro-dyndns-org.local>
	<18726.10382.773577.89284@almost.alerce.com>
Message-ID: <18726.16510.106089.438126@montanaro-dyndns-org.local>


    George> I'm pretty sure I was using it on Aquamacs until I got tired of
    George> it being so different from the emacs I used on FreeBSD.  What
    George> doesn't work?

What version should I install?  How do I install it?  I must admit to a) it
just being there in XEmacs and b) the XEmacs package manager.

Skip
From hartzell at alerce.com  Fri Nov 21 11:55:28 2008
From: hartzell at alerce.com (George Hartzell)
Date: Fri Nov 21 11:55:37 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
In-Reply-To: <18726.16510.106089.438126@montanaro-dyndns-org.local>
References: <62622fe70811190725x565b4816na463d91157b7c3cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<72923D86-1FB5-45BC-AEE2-67684AEA092B@googlemail.com>
	<18726.1370.280025.807373@montanaro-dyndns-org.local>
	<18726.10382.773577.89284@almost.alerce.com>
	<18726.16510.106089.438126@montanaro-dyndns-org.local>
Message-ID: <18726.59392.358094.905483@almost.alerce.com>

skip@pobox.com writes:
 > 
 >     George> I'm pretty sure I was using it on Aquamacs until I got tired of
 >     George> it being so different from the emacs I used on FreeBSD.  What
 >     George> doesn't work?
 > 
 > What version should I install?  How do I install it?  I must admit to a) it
 > just being there in XEmacs and b) the XEmacs package manager.

Well, as a first cut I'd try the third option described at the bottom
of this page:

  http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/download.html

and then fall back to the first if you need to hack something.

g.


From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk  Fri Nov 21 12:29:31 2008
From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill)
Date: Fri Nov 21 12:29:37 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
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>>>>> "George" == George Hartzell <hartzell@alerce.com> writes:

George> skip@pobox.com writes:
>> 
George> I'm pretty sure I was using it on Aquamacs until I got tired of
George> it being so different from the emacs I used on FreeBSD.  What
George> doesn't work?
>> 
>> What version should I install?  How do I install it?  I must admit to a) it
>> just being there in XEmacs and b) the XEmacs package manager.

George> Well, as a first cut I'd try the third option described at the bottom
George> of this page:

George>   http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/download.html

George> and then fall back to the first if you need to hack something.

Actually the version in wonderworks is Kyle Jones' latest version
(7.19), but he stopped actively maintaining VM.  The new maintainer is
Robert Widhopf-Fenk and the latest VM is to be found here:

             http://www.nongnu.org/viewmail/

under "Downloads".  The latest stable version seems to be 8.0.12.

Cheers, José



George> g.



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From skip at pobox.com  Fri Nov 21 13:25:47 2008
From: skip at pobox.com (skip@pobox.com)
Date: Fri Nov 21 13:43:20 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
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    Jose> Actually the version in wonderworks is Kyle Jones' latest version
    Jose> (7.19), but he stopped actively maintaining VM.  The new
    Jose> maintainer is Robert Widhopf-Fenk and the latest VM is to be found
    Jose> here:

    Jose>              http://www.nongnu.org/viewmail/

    Jose> under "Downloads".  The latest stable version seems to be 8.0.12.

So I downloaded and unpacked 8.0.12.  Given Aquamacs' unfamiliar (to me)
file layout under "/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app" I can't figure out how
to set the --prefix arg to configure.  It looks like the site-lisp directory
is "/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp".  There
is no "share" or "emacs" in that path.  I assume I should set the
--with-emacs arg to "/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs".

-- 
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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 13:57:21 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Fri Nov 21 14:46:17 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
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Skip,

On 21 Nov 2008, at 13:25, skip@pobox.com wrote:

>
>    Jose> Actually the version in wonderworks is Kyle Jones' latest  
> version
>    Jose> (7.19), but he stopped actively maintaining VM.  The new
>    Jose> maintainer is Robert Widhopf-Fenk and the latest VM is to  
> be found
>    Jose> here:
>
>    Jose>              http://www.nongnu.org/viewmail/
>
>    Jose> under "Downloads".  The latest stable version seems to be  
> 8.0.12.
>
> So I downloaded and unpacked 8.0.12.  Given Aquamacs' unfamiliar (to  
> me)
> file layout under "/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app" I can't figure  
> out how
> to set the --prefix arg to configure.  It looks like the site-lisp  
> directory
> is "/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp".   
> There
> is no "share" or "emacs" in that path.  I assume I should set the
> --with-emacs arg to "/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/ 
> Aquamacs Emacs".

As said many times on this list, do NOT manipulate the .app bundle.

Extensions are installed in ~/Library/Preferences/Aquamacs Emacs (or  
the system-wide equivalent in /Library).  You should be able to a  
directory there to keep different extensions separate.  You can  
compile using Aquamacs as you say, or, more reliably, use --with-emacs  
`which emacs', which will select the emacs that comes with OS X.  It  
is usually in /usr/bin/emacs, I believe.

--
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From kuepper.jochen at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 21 16:33:24 2008
From: kuepper.jochen at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jochen_K=FCpper?=)
Date: Fri Nov 21 16:33:30 2008
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Hi David,

On 21.11.2008, at 19:57, David Reitter wrote:

> You can compile using Aquamacs as you say, or, more reliably, use -- 
> with-emacs `which emacs', which will select the emacs that comes  
> with OS X.


Is that actually a good and reliable option? What's gonna happen if  
the two do not have the same (major) version?

Greetings,
Jochen
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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 16:45:22 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Fri Nov 21 16:51:42 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
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On 21 Nov 2008, at 16:33, Jochen Küpper wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> On 21.11.2008, at 19:57, David Reitter wrote:
>
>> You can compile using Aquamacs as you say, or, more reliably, use -- 
>> with-emacs `which emacs', which will select the emacs that comes  
>> with OS X.
>
>
> Is that actually a good and reliable option? What's gonna happen if  
> the two do not have the same (major) version?

As for byte-compiling, it is my understanding that .elc files are  
binary compatible in recent versions (21/22).

Of course it's possible that the installer does something else - like  
identify whether it is supposed to run in Aquamacs or Emacs, or  
identify some paths.  But that's why the ~/Library.. path is specified  
separately.  So I don't see a problem in most cases.

--
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From skip at pobox.com  Fri Nov 21 16:53:55 2008
From: skip at pobox.com (skip@pobox.com)
Date: Fri Nov 21 16:54:08 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
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    David> As said many times on this list, do NOT manipulate the .app bundle.

Ok, so what is the --prefix arg to use?  It's just a different base
directory.  My quibble is that the structure underneath the --prefix appears
to be different between Aquamacs and what VM wants to use.

    David> You can compile using Aquamacs as you say, or, more reliably, use
    David> --with-emacs `which emacs', which will select the emacs that
    David> comes with OS X.  It is usually in /usr/bin/emacs, I believe.

The VM install directions specifically warns not to do this.  Bytecode
formats change.  While it might be safe today, there is no guarantee that
the bytecode format for /usr/bin/emacs and Aquamacs will always remain
compatible.

Skip
From kuepper.jochen at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 21 16:54:59 2008
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Date: Fri Nov 21 16:55:04 2008
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Hi David,

On 21.11.2008, at 22:45, David Reitter wrote:

> As for byte-compiling, it is my understanding that .elc files are  
> binary compatible in recent versions (21/22).

That was my question, as that wasn't always the case;-)

Good to hear that this "officially" works now -- let's hope it stays  
that way with Emacs 23 and further...

> Of course it's possible that the installer does something else -  
> like identify whether it is supposed to run in Aquamacs or Emacs, or  
> identify some paths.  But that's why the ~/Library.. path is  
> specified separately.  So I don't see a problem in most cases.

Yes, this is of course a different but much simpler story.

Thanks!
Jochen
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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Fri Nov 21 17:04:42 2008
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Fri Nov 21 17:04:48 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] email with emacs?
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Am 21.11.2008 um 22:54 schrieb Jochen Küpper:

> let's hope it stays that way with Emacs 23 and further...

You better turn hopeless right now! GNU Emacs 23 has a new ELC format  
that's not backward compatible. Though it can understand older ELC  
formats.


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From tgunner52 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 11:32:07 2008
From: tgunner52 at gmail.com (Dave Carlton)
Date: Sat Nov 22 11:53:18 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] overwriting customizations.el
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I had the same problem here leaving my customizations.el in ~/Library/ 
Preferences/Aquamacs so I pulled the file into my ~/.startup/aquamacs/  
folder and added a

(setq custom-file "~/.startup/aquamacs/customizations.el")
(load custom-file)

to the head of my .emacs file. Problem is gone, I didn't have time to  
go chasing the real problem down and I prefer my stuff in my .startup  
anyway.

As a further explanation, for years I have always put my startup stuff  
into a ~/.startup folder which I can quickly copy to another computer  
and run a .setlinks script which puts symlinks to .bashrc .emacs etc  
into the home folder. Works quite well and my .startup folder is under  
version control so all the computers on which it is installed are  
easily upgraded.

On Nov 20, 2008, at 6:08 AM, sergio wrote:

> okay, one more piece of info..
>
> i save my customizations for org-mode..
>
> then, i started up jabber.el again, and all my information was gone..
>
> so i added it back in..
>
> meanwhile, i had customizations.el open, and watched it...
>
> all of my customizations got zapped. and replaced with the stuff  
> from jabber.el..
>
>
> any ideas?
>
>
> ___
> peace,
> sergio
> photographer, journalist, visionary
> www.village-buzz.com
>
>
>
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From sergio at village-buzz.com  Sun Nov 23 10:26:35 2008
From: sergio at village-buzz.com (sergio)
Date: Sun Nov 23 10:26:39 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] overwriting customizations.el
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On Nov 22, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Dave Carlton wrote:

> to the head of my .emacs file. Problem is gone, I didn't have time  
> to go chasing the real problem down and I prefer my stuff in  
> my .startup anyway.



what i ended up doing was totally cat /dev/null > my customizations  
file.. then starting over.. that killed the problem..

i then made my customizations, and everything has been working fine..  
i think something was just wonky in there..

i do like your solution better because i use aquamacs on two machines,  
and this would be a good way to sync them..

thanks!


___
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sergio
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From aquamacs at bestley.co.uk  Thu Nov 20 15:49:43 2008
From: aquamacs at bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley)
Date: Mon Nov 24 08:50:11 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Visit a file within the current window?
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David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com> writes:


> Some 90% of Aquamacs users used OBOF when I checked (but that's not
> meant as a quality criterion, of course).
>
> Since the advent of tabs, I'm not a proponent of one-buffer-one-frame- 
> mode any longer.  Starting with Aquamacs 1.6, we're going to have tabs
> enabled by default, and one-buffer-one-frame disabled.  (Command-N
> will still open a new frame.)

I have just gone back to the normal Emacs behaviour (Gnus does not work
in OBOF) However I note that the list under Windows is the list of
buffers and not frames. Can this be changed to list the OSX emacs windows
and not buffers?

-- 
Mark

From david.reitter at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 09:03:51 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Mon Nov 24 10:06:07 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Visit a file within the current window?
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n 20 Nov 2008, at 15:49, Mark Bestley wrote:
>
> I have just gone back to the normal Emacs behaviour (Gnus does not  
> work
> in OBOF) However I note that the list under Windows is the list of
> buffers and not frames. Can this be changed to list the OSX emacs  
> windows
> and not buffers?

No, it can't: we don't have an option for this.

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From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 10:11:47 2008
From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham)
Date: Mon Nov 24 10:20:08 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Visit a file within the current window?
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On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Mark Bestley <aquamacs@bestley.co.uk>wrote:

>
> However I note that the list under Windows is the list of
> buffers and not frames.
>

While there is no list of emacs windows, there is a list of frames as a
submenu in the Windows menu, provided there exists more than one frame.
--Nathaniel
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From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp  Mon Nov 24 10:29:30 2008
From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary)
Date: Mon Nov 24 10:29:39 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] full screen mode
Message-ID: <F6CE5A90-0155-4443-A482-0A511D76DC3E@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>

When in full screen mode, the shortcut to access Spotlight does not  
seem to work as expected: nothing happens.

Also, if I have tabs and I split a window in 2 vertical parts, the  
part that has been "created" goes up to the window border and does not  
stay within the limit of the space delimited by the tab mark.

Jean-Christophe Helary
From david.reitter at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 10:37:11 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Mon Nov 24 10:37:18 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] full screen mode
In-Reply-To: <F6CE5A90-0155-4443-A482-0A511D76DC3E@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
References: <F6CE5A90-0155-4443-A482-0A511D76DC3E@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <A7BD01FD-18F0-4D5B-BB0E-4B1FA9E67EA4@gmail.com>

JC,

if this is intended as a bug report: we have a nice bug reporting  
mailing list for those.

On 24 Nov 2008, at 10:29, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:

> When in full screen mode, the shortcut to access Spotlight does not  
> seem to work as expected: nothing happens.

What shortcut?
mac-spotlight-search isn't bound to anything.  If the system-wide  
shortcut doesn't work, then maybe that is how the fullscreen mode (a  
system facility, to some extent) is meant to work.  (I'm guessing here.)

> Also, if I have tabs and I split a window in 2 vertical parts, the  
> part that has been "created" goes up to the window border and does  
> not stay within the limit of the space delimited by the tab mark.


Tabs apply within a window.  If you do C-x 2 you can have to tab bars  
in a frame.


--
http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and  
support the Aquamacs Project!

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From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 10:49:53 2008
From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham)
Date: Mon Nov 24 10:50:03 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] full screen mode
In-Reply-To: <A7BD01FD-18F0-4D5B-BB0E-4B1FA9E67EA4@gmail.com>
References: <F6CE5A90-0155-4443-A482-0A511D76DC3E@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
	<A7BD01FD-18F0-4D5B-BB0E-4B1FA9E67EA4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20ecf6c70811240749x1c7fecb0i66deb9d18c658666@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:37 AM, David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> On 24 Nov 2008, at 10:29, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
>
>  When in full screen mode, the shortcut to access Spotlight does not seem
>> to work as expected: nothing happens.
>>
>
> What shortcut?
> mac-spotlight-search isn't bound to anything.  If the system-wide shortcut
> doesn't work, then maybe that is how the fullscreen mode (a system facility,
> to some extent) is meant to work.  (I'm guessing here.)
>
>
As additional evidence of this, Spotlight is also not accessible via the
usual Cmd-space shortcut, when the following apps use full screen mode:
Skim, Preview (slideshow), Smultron

--Nathaniel
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From fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp  Mon Nov 24 11:01:39 2008
From: fusion at mx6.tiki.ne.jp (Jean-Christophe Helary)
Date: Mon Nov 24 11:01:46 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] full screen mode
In-Reply-To: <A7BD01FD-18F0-4D5B-BB0E-4B1FA9E67EA4@gmail.com>
References: <F6CE5A90-0155-4443-A482-0A511D76DC3E@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
	<A7BD01FD-18F0-4D5B-BB0E-4B1FA9E67EA4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41BBB7A2-AE2E-4FE6-87A2-7E10D639ECCE@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>


On mardi 25 nov. 08, at 00:37, David Reitter wrote:

> JC,
>
> if this is intended as a bug report: we have a nice bug reporting  
> mailing list for those.

It is more intended as a request for confirmation before filling a  
report.

Replies from Nathaniel and you were enough for me to understand that  
what I saw was expected behavior, even though it is not satisfying to  
me :) But that is a different issue...

JC
From aquamacs at bestley.co.uk  Mon Nov 24 12:05:48 2008
From: aquamacs at bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley)
Date: Mon Nov 24 12:06:01 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Visit a file within the current window?
References: <91f48dbf0811182206t39d0a104l9dfa8ae27961f33b@mail.gmail.com>
	<079C94BD-0822-44D9-B1B6-7767D9966937@digg.com>
	<AA2A30D4-405D-4637-ACF3-A352DD9A7042@gmail.com>
	<m1wseyf7h4.fsf@flat.bestley.co.uk>
	<20ecf6c70811240711n131faa18t7cc6a7368ac7aa38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m1r651vytv.fsf@flat.bestley.co.uk>

"Nathaniel Cunningham" <nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.com> writes:

> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Mark Bestley <aquamacs@bestley.co.uk>wrote:
>
>>
>> However I note that the list under Windows is the list of
>> buffers and not frames.
>>
>
> While there is no list of emacs windows, there is a list of frames as a
> submenu in the Windows menu, provided there exists more than one frame.

Looking a bit more if you right click on the Aquamacs icon in the dock you
get a list of Windows

-- 
Mark

From ian at digg.com  Mon Nov 24 13:02:35 2008
From: ian at digg.com (Ian Eure)
Date: Mon Nov 24 13:02:40 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Visit a file within the current window?
In-Reply-To: <AA2A30D4-405D-4637-ACF3-A352DD9A7042@gmail.com>
References: <91f48dbf0811182206t39d0a104l9dfa8ae27961f33b@mail.gmail.com>
	<079C94BD-0822-44D9-B1B6-7767D9966937@digg.com>
	<AA2A30D4-405D-4637-ACF3-A352DD9A7042@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A1247A00-49EF-4708-B6BD-B1A4CBCFA4CA@digg.com>

On Nov 19, 2008, at 10:58 AM, David Reitter wrote:

> On 19 Nov 2008, at 13:48, Ian Eure wrote:
>>
>> I hate it, too.
>
> Some 90% of Aquamacs users used OBOF when I checked (but that's not  
> meant as a quality criterion, of course).
>
Not really meaningful, since many users stick with the default  
settings. In any case, I wasn't saying that it was bad, or should be  
removed or anything. Just that I don't like it.

From ian at digg.com  Mon Nov 24 13:06:02 2008
From: ian at digg.com (Ian Eure)
Date: Mon Nov 24 13:06:08 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Visit a file within the current window?
In-Reply-To: <m1r651vytv.fsf@flat.bestley.co.uk>
References: <91f48dbf0811182206t39d0a104l9dfa8ae27961f33b@mail.gmail.com>
	<079C94BD-0822-44D9-B1B6-7767D9966937@digg.com>
	<AA2A30D4-405D-4637-ACF3-A352DD9A7042@gmail.com>
	<m1wseyf7h4.fsf@flat.bestley.co.uk>
	<20ecf6c70811240711n131faa18t7cc6a7368ac7aa38@mail.gmail.com>
	<m1r651vytv.fsf@flat.bestley.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7962DE01-EE14-4551-ADEF-282EEBE55E31@digg.com>

On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Mark Bestley wrote:

> "Nathaniel Cunningham" <nathaniel.cunningham@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Mark Bestley  
>> <aquamacs@bestley.co.uk>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> However I note that the list under Windows is the list of
>>> buffers and not frames.
>>>
>>
>> While there is no list of emacs windows, there is a list of frames  
>> as a
>> submenu in the Windows menu, provided there exists more than one  
>> frame.
>
> Looking a bit more if you right click on the Aquamacs icon in the  
> dock you
> get a list of Windows
>
This is a confusion of terminology. A window in modern GUIs is an  
Emacs frame. An Emacs window is what you get when you split a frame  
(`C-x 2' or `C-x 3') to display multiple buffers.

  - Ian
From david.reitter at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 13:13:33 2008
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Mon Nov 24 13:13:40 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Visit a file within the current window?
In-Reply-To: <7962DE01-EE14-4551-ADEF-282EEBE55E31@digg.com>
References: <91f48dbf0811182206t39d0a104l9dfa8ae27961f33b@mail.gmail.com>
	<079C94BD-0822-44D9-B1B6-7767D9966937@digg.com>
	<AA2A30D4-405D-4637-ACF3-A352DD9A7042@gmail.com>
	<m1wseyf7h4.fsf@flat.bestley.co.uk>
	<20ecf6c70811240711n131faa18t7cc6a7368ac7aa38@mail.gmail.com>
	<m1r651vytv.fsf@flat.bestley.co.uk>
	<7962DE01-EE14-4551-ADEF-282EEBE55E31@digg.com>
Message-ID: <B526C2EC-6AE9-494C-A32D-90E997ACDDC1@gmail.com>

On 24 Nov 2008, at 13:06, Ian Eure wrote:
>>
>> Looking a bit more if you right click on the Aquamacs icon in the  
>> dock you
>> get a list of Windows
>>
> This is a confusion of terminology. A window in modern GUIs is an  
> Emacs frame. An Emacs window is what you get when you split a frame  
> (`C-x 2' or `C-x 3') to display multiple buffers.

The menu is named "Window" not just because all applications have a  
"Window" menu, but also because there are items relating to the  
selected Emacs window found - 'Select next tab" for instance, or  
"Split Window".

I agree that it's less than ideal, given that there is also a list of  
buffers (which are shown in a window when selected), and there is a  
submenu with all frames.

Changing terminology completely in Aquamacs (frame->window, window- 
 >pane, buffer->document, key binding -> shortcut) is not a feasible  
option.


--
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http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and  
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From d.stegmueller at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 11:51:04 2008
From: d.stegmueller at gmail.com (Daniel Stegmueller)
Date: Mon Nov 24 13:28:39 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] full screen mode
In-Reply-To: <41BBB7A2-AE2E-4FE6-87A2-7E10D639ECCE@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
References: <F6CE5A90-0155-4443-A482-0A511D76DC3E@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
	<A7BD01FD-18F0-4D5B-BB0E-4B1FA9E67EA4@gmail.com>
	<41BBB7A2-AE2E-4FE6-87A2-7E10D639ECCE@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <5342109B-DEC8-4402-85D6-88CA4B5C9CF5@gmail.com>

Quicksilver may be an option for you -- it "ignores" fullscreen modes...

Daniel



On 24 Nov 2008, at 17:01, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:

>
> On mardi 25 nov. 08, at 00:37, David Reitter wrote:
>
>> JC,
>>
>> if this is intended as a bug report: we have a nice bug reporting  
>> mailing list for those.
>
> It is more intended as a request for confirmation before filling a  
> report.
>
> Replies from Nathaniel and you were enough for me to understand that  
> what I saw was expected behavior, even though it is not satisfying  
> to me :) But that is a different issue...
>
> JC
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From rubenson at politics.ryerson.ca  Wed Nov 26 10:52:18 2008
From: rubenson at politics.ryerson.ca (Daniel Rubenson)
Date: Wed Nov 26 11:04:36 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs can't find LaTeX
Message-ID: <C552DAE2.2495%rubenson@politics.ryerson.ca>

I just got a new mac. I transferred all my files, apps and settings from my old mac using Apple's timemachine.

There seems to now be a problem with Aquamacs. When I try to compile a .tex file on the new computer, I get the error:

LaTeX: problem after [0] pages

Is this because Aquamacs can't find LaTeX on the new machine? I tested a .tex file with TeXShop and it compiles just fine so the problem is not with latex. There must be some setting in Aquamacs that needs tweeking but I can't figure out which one.

Does anyone know how I would tell Aquamacs where to find latex? I guess it's a matter of setting the right path somewhere...

Or is this problem of a different nature?

Thanks!

Daniel
From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Wed Nov 26 11:27:47 2008
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Wed Nov 26 11:27:57 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs can't find LaTeX
In-Reply-To: <C552DAE2.2495%rubenson@politics.ryerson.ca>
References: <C552DAE2.2495%rubenson@politics.ryerson.ca>
Message-ID: <273569F5-8C1C-4976-942B-8E2CD1AACAD4@Web.DE>


Am 26.11.2008 um 16:52 schrieb Daniel Rubenson:

> LaTeX: problem after [0] pages


You're not using AUCTeX, the extension of default TeX-mode in Emacs?

Which TeX distribution are you using? Have you used the TeX  
distributions preference pane?

--
Greetings

   Pete

It's not the valleys in life I dread so much as the dips.
				? Garfield



From david.j.burnham at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 18:57:33 2008
From: david.j.burnham at gmail.com (Dave Burnham)
Date: Fri Nov 28 19:00:08 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Preview-latex errors
Message-ID: <loom.20081128T230539-890@post.gmane.org>

I'm hoping that someone here can help me troubleshoot the errors I'm
seeing with preview-latex. My Emacs is

GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-apple-darwin9.5.0, NS apple-appkit-949.35)
of 2008-11-28

compiled with options --with-ns and --disable-ns-self-contained. My
TeX distribution is TeXLive 2007, installed via the MacTeX
installer. My AUCTex is version 11.85. When I compiled it I had to
specify the location of the Emacs binary. I also had to specify the
site-lisp directory (in /usr/local/share/emacs) and I chose to use
--without-texmf-dir.

My first problem was that Emacs couldn't find latex. I fixed this my
adding the following to my .emacs:

(setenv "PATH" (concat "/usr/texbin:/usr/local/bin:" (getenv "PATH")))

as described in other posts to this list. Now when I run C-c C-p C-d
on a simple TeX file with two equations, I get:

============
Running `Preview-LaTeX' on `test' with ``latex -interaction=nonstopmode 
"&prv_test" test.tex''
This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6)
 %&-line parsing enabled.
entering extended mode
(./test.tex
LaTeX2e <2005/12/01>
Babel <v3.8h> and hyphenation patterns for english, usenglishmax, dumylang, noh
yphenation, arabic, basque, bulgarian, coptic, welsh, czech, slovak, german, ng
erman, danish, esperanto, spanish, catalan, galician, estonian, farsi, finnish,
 french, greek, monogreek, ancientgreek, croatian, hungarian, interlingua, ibyc
us, indonesian, icelandic, italian, latin, mongolian, dutch, norsk, polish, por
tuguese, pinyin, romanian, russian, slovenian, uppersorbian, serbian, swedish, 
turkish, ukenglish, ukrainian, loaded.
CUSTOMISED FORMAT. Preloaded files:
        .
   paper.cls    1996/07/25 1.0i LaTeX document class (wm).
  size10.clo    2005/09/16 v1.4f Standard LaTeX file (size option)
        .
(./test.aux) (/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/latex/preview.sty
(/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/latex/prtightpage.def)
(/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/latex/prauctex.def
No auxiliary output files.


(/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/latex/prauctex.cfg))
(/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/latex/prfootnotes.def)
Preview: Fontsize 10pt
)
! Preview: Snippet 1 started.
<-><->
      
l.10 \begin{equation}
                     
Preview: Tightpage -32891 -32891 32891 32891
! Preview: Snippet 1 ended.(655360+0x22609920).
<-><->
      
l.13 \end{equation}
                   
[1]
! Preview: Snippet 2 started.
<-><->
      
l.14 \begin{equation}
                     
! Preview: Snippet 2 ended.(655360+0x22609920).
<-><->
      
l.17 \end{equation}
                   
[2] )
(see the transcript file for additional information)
Output written on test.dvi (2 pages, 2000 bytes).
Transcript written on test.log.

Preview-LaTeX exited as expected with code 1 at Fri Nov 28 17:45:01
LaTeX: LaTeX found no preview images
================

As you can see from the last line, I don't get any preview
images. I've also tried the file 'circ.tex' that comes with
preview-latex, and get the following error at the end of the log:

========

Preview-LaTeX exited as expected with code 1 at Fri Nov 28 17:47:41
Running `Preview-DviPS' with ``dvips -Pwww circ.dvi -o
circ.prv/tmp29462dMI/preview.ps'' 
This is dvips(k) 5.96 Copyright 2005
Radical Eye Software (www.radicaleye.com) ' TeX output
2008.11.28:1747' -> circ.prv/tmp29462dMI/preview.ps
<tex.pro><cm-super-t1.enc><texps.pro><special.pro>. <cmsy7.pfb><lcircle1.pfb>
<sftt0900.pfb><sftt0800.pfb><sfrm1000.pfb><cmr7.pfb><cmsy10.pfb><cmmi7.pfb>
<cmex10.pfb><cmr10.pfb><cmmi10.pfb><sfbx1440.pfb>[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
[6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20]
[21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34]
[35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41] [42] [43] [44] [45] [46] [47] [48]
[49] [50] [51] [52] [53] [54] [55] [56] [57] [58] [59] [60] [61] [62]
[63] [64] [65] [66] [67] [68] [69] [70] [71] [72] [73] [74] [75] [76]
[77] [78] [79] [80] [81] [82] [83] [84] [85] [86] [87] [88] [89] [90]
[91] [92] [93] [94] [95] [96] [97] [98] [99] [100] [101] [102] [103]

Preview-DviPS finished at Fri Nov 28 17:47:42
DviPS sentinel: Searching for program: No such file or directory, gs
==========

As circ.tex is considerably longer than my test.tex, the log file is
quite long and I didn't want to dump too much on the list.

I've tried opening a shell in Emacs (M-x shell) and it can find gs at
/usr/local/bin. My GhostScript is 8.57.

I've run out of ideas at this point... Does anyone have any
suggestions? The irony is that I have Emacs+AUCTex+doc-view working
properly on my Windows XP desktop, and all I really want is a similar
environment on my Mac when I'm writing my thesis. I'm posting to this
list instead of one of the AUCTex lists because I can't shake the
feeling that it's related to the PATH issue discussed previously.

Thanks in advance for any help,
Dave




From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Fri Nov 28 19:44:28 2008
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Fri Nov 28 19:44:39 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Preview-latex errors
In-Reply-To: <loom.20081128T230539-890@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20081128T230539-890@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <EDD6E1A2-0190-4AF7-943C-1230B6C9CB06@Web.DE>


Am 29.11.2008 um 00:57 schrieb Dave Burnham:

> GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-apple-darwin9.5.0, NS apple-appkit-949.35)
> of 2008-11-28


I've found the same some months earlier, then in the Cocoa variant of  
GNU Emacs 23.0.0. It also happens with PDF output. David Kastrup from  
AUCTeX team recommended to use Edebug, but I simply fail to find the  
starting point. Maybe I'll find  again some time this weekend and try  
is once more.

I am on PPC and Tiger (10.4.11).

--
Greetings

   Pete

The human brain operates at only 10% of its capacity. The rest is  
overhead for the operating system.


From david.j.burnham at gmail.com  Sat Nov 29 18:36:46 2008
From: david.j.burnham at gmail.com (Dave Burnham)
Date: Sat Nov 29 18:37:01 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Preview-latex errors
References: <loom.20081128T230539-890@post.gmane.org>
	<EDD6E1A2-0190-4AF7-943C-1230B6C9CB06@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <loom.20081129T233514-585@post.gmane.org>

Pete,

Thanks for the help. I've made some progress, but it's still not fully
working yet.

I think that most of the problems are related to preview-latex being
able to find the programs it needs. As mentioned before, I had to
modify PATH in my .emacs so that AUCTeX could find latex, gs, and
their friends. However, it seems that this doesn't fix
preview-latex. I had to set preview-gs-command to the full path
(/usr/local/bin/gs) to make it work. Not sure how I missed this
before.

Two issues remain:

1) Running preview-document still fails with the "LaTeX found no
preview images" error. However, preview-buffer, preview-section,
etc. work fine.

2) If I switch AUCTeX to use PDFLaTeX (C-c C-t C-p) I get a
GhostScript errors for all of the places where I should see
preview-images. I've attached a sample error at the end of this
message. I think the relevant line is "Error: /typecheck in
--setmatrix--" but I know very little about GS. I can live without
PDFLaTeX for the moment, but eventually I'd like to get it working.

It turns out that doc-view suffers from the same problems with the
PATH. I also had to specify the full paths to all the executables
needed by doc-view to make it work.

I'm running Panther 10.5.5 on an Intel Mac.

Dave


======== 
/usr/local/bin/gs
-dOutputFile\=\(_region_.prv/tmp3165709c/pr102-1.png\) -q -dNOPAUSE
-DNOPLATFONTS -dPrinted -dTextAlphaBits\=4 -dGraphicsAlphaBits\=4
-dSAFER -sDEVICE\=png16m -r110.557x110.613

GS>{DELAYSAFER{.setsafe}if}stopped pop/.preview-BP
currentpagedevice/BeginPage get dup null eq{pop{pop}bind}if
def<</BeginPage{currentpagedevice/PageSize get dup 0 get 1 ne exch 1
get 1 ne or{.preview-BP 0.996109 0.996109 0.996109 0.996109
setrgbcolor clippath fill 0 0 0 0.996109
setrgbcolor}{pop}ifelse}bind/PageSize[1
1]>>setpagedevice/preview-do{[count 3 roll save]3 1 roll dup length 0
eq{pop}{setpagedevice}{ifelse .runandhide}stopped{handleerror quit}if
aload pop restore}bind def /GS_PDF_ProcSet GS_PDF_ProcSet dup
maxlength dict copy dup begin/graphicsbeginpage{//graphicsbeginpage
exec 0 0 0 0.996109 3 copy rg RG}bind store end readonly store
[(_region_.prv/tmp3165709c/preview.dsc)(r)file]aload exch dup 0
setfileposition 2756()/SubFileDecode filter cvx .runandhide aload pop
dup dup 2809 setfileposition 53()/SubFileDecode filter
cvx<<>>preview-do

Error: /typecheck in --setmatrix--
Operand stack:
   --dict:6/15(L)--   --nostringval--   0
Execution stack:

   %interp_exit .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval--
--nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- --nostringval--
%loop_continue 1785 2 3 %oparray_pop --nostringval-- --nostringval--
false 1 %stopped_push .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval--
--nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- --nostringval-- false
1 %stopped_push 1148 --nostringval-- %end_runandhide --nostringval--
--nostringval-- 1776 3 8 %oparray_pop --nostringval-- Dictionary
stack: --dict:1152/1684(ro)(G)-- --dict:1/20(G)-- --dict:77/200(L)--
--dict:108/127(ro)(L)-- --dict:275/300(ro)(G)-- --dict:21/25(L)--
--dict:4/6(L)-- --dict:20/20(L)-- Current allocation mode is local
Last OS error: 2

Preview-Ghostscript finished



From david.j.burnham at gmail.com  Sat Nov 29 18:48:34 2008
From: david.j.burnham at gmail.com (Dave Burnham)
Date: Sat Nov 29 18:48:47 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Aquamacs can't find LaTeX
References: <C552DAE2.2495%rubenson@politics.ryerson.ca>
Message-ID: <loom.20081129T233833-154@post.gmane.org>

Daniel Rubenson <rubenson <at> politics.ryerson.ca> writes:

> There seems to now be a problem with Aquamacs. When I try to
> compile a .tex file on the new computer, I get the error: 
> LaTeX: problem after [0] pages

If you hit C-c C-l you can view the log, which probably has a
line like

/bin/sh: latex: command not found

I had to modify my PATH by adding the following to my .emacs:

(setenv "PATH" (concat "/usr/texbin:/usr/local/bin:" (getenv "PATH")))

My TeX distribution lives at /usr/texbin and I also have stuff at
/usr/local/bin. You'll need to figure out what paths you need to
add, but it will probably be something similar. This problem has
been discussed previously on this list, if you want to find out
more or check out different solutions.

Dave

From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Sat Nov 29 19:07:32 2008
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Sat Nov 29 19:07:43 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Preview-latex errors
In-Reply-To: <loom.20081129T233514-585@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20081128T230539-890@post.gmane.org>
	<EDD6E1A2-0190-4AF7-943C-1230B6C9CB06@Web.DE>
	<loom.20081129T233514-585@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <E99F108D-3377-4EF2-8642-11BDA2449A07@Web.DE>


Am 30.11.2008 um 00:36 schrieb Dave Burnham:

> Two issues remain:
>
> 1) Running preview-document still fails with the "LaTeX found no
> preview images" error. However, preview-buffer, preview-section,
> etc. work fine.

My best assumption is that Emacs.app is simply too slow. A snail at  
25 MHz *is* faster.

>
> 2) If I switch AUCTeX to use PDFLaTeX (C-c C-t C-p) I get a
> GhostScript errors for all of the places where I should see
> preview-images.


This might be another error caused by a too old version of  
Ghostscript. I think version 8.61 is up-to-date.

The PATH problem you mentioned is *not* the real cause. That it's not  
correctly set might cause other problems. You should "customise"  
files in /etc with elevated privileges that the TeX binaries are  
found and also those programmes installed in /usr/local/bin. The log  
off and in again.

--
Greetings

   Pete

There's no place like ~
		? (UNIX Guru)



From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Sun Nov 30 10:33:00 2008
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Sun Nov 30 10:33:09 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Preview-latex errors
In-Reply-To: <EDD6E1A2-0190-4AF7-943C-1230B6C9CB06@Web.DE>
References: <loom.20081128T230539-890@post.gmane.org>
	<EDD6E1A2-0190-4AF7-943C-1230B6C9CB06@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <42162478-B49F-4CD2-AE01-FE34FFC7570E@Web.DE>


Am 29.11.2008 um 01:44 schrieb Peter Dyballa:

> I've found the same some months earlier

I'm in trouble here: edebug does not work like a debugger, does not  
seem to give a "call tree" or such to come closer to the problem and  
I can't make Emacs.app fail!

--
Greetings

   Pete

If builders built buildings the way programmers write programs, then  
the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.
				? Weinberg's Second Law



From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Sun Nov 30 18:41:31 2008
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Sun Nov 30 18:41:38 2008
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Preview-latex errors
In-Reply-To: <42162478-B49F-4CD2-AE01-FE34FFC7570E@Web.DE>
References: <loom.20081128T230539-890@post.gmane.org>
	<EDD6E1A2-0190-4AF7-943C-1230B6C9CB06@Web.DE>
	<42162478-B49F-4CD2-AE01-FE34FFC7570E@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <0075A589-5E5B-43B7-A319-16F8341AC22E@Web.DE>


Am 30.11.2008 um 16:33 schrieb Peter Dyballa:

> I'm in trouble here: edebug does not work like a debugger, does not  
> seem to give a "call tree" or such to come closer to the problem  
> and I can't make Emacs.app fail!

After I had sent my Mac to sleep I cannot create previews when the  
LaTeX buffer is in PDF mode. It works when I put it into DVI mode. It  
fails when the region contains one mathematical expression and also  
when it contains a few of them. The created PDF files, _region_.pdf,  
are always correct (sometimes a bit clipped), as TeXShop shows.

Actually a second Emacs.app (launched as "/Applications/Emacs.app/ 
Contents/MacOS/Emacs -l ~/.emacs-init.el -Q --debug-init &" where  
~/.emacs-init.el contains some customisation) shows the same  
behaviour. Do both Emacsen communicate which each other? It's  
strange ...


I don't see gs fail. Never.

--
Greetings

   Pete

There are three types of people in this world: those who can count,  
and those who cannot.