From david.reitter at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 07:13:41 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sat Aug 1 07:22:16 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Soft word wrap In-Reply-To: References: <19056.16042.424572.479830@knecht.local> <19056.21116.792965.823207@knecht.local> <49A8015A-02CD-4FA4-99EA-97ED699E8531@inf.unibz.it> <20ecf6c70907290823obc6472brb83d3889d45f53c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jul 29, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Enrico Franconi wrote: > This thing is driving me crazy :-( > It does not work for me in Aquamacs\Cocoa but it does work in carbon > Aquamacs. The settings are the same. See below for an explanation of why I think this is happening. I think it's bad design and I hope something can be done about that. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! Begin forwarded message: > From: David Reitter > Date: August 1, 2009 1:01:06 PM GMT+02:00 > To: Emacs Development > Subject: globalized minor modes and major mode hooks > > Here's something that came up on the Emacs on OS X mailing list in > conjunction with an Aquamacs preview based on 23.1. > > A user wanted to know how to turn off word wrapping just for latex. > Translated to GNU Emacs 23.1, this would be: > > (add-hook 'latex-mode-hook > (defun turn-off-word-wrap () (setq word-wrap nil))) > > As a normal setting, we also have: > > (global-visual-line-mode 1) > > Now, switching to LaTeX mode: > > (latex-mode) > > What should the value of word-wrap be? > > I expected that the specific, local mode-hook setting would override > any global defaults defined by global-visual-line-mode. However, > this is not the case. word-wrap is t. > > Two questions: > > 1. What is a good route for a user without intimate knowledge of > Emacs internals (specifically without knowing how global-visual-line- > mode does its job) to debug this? > > 2. I suspect that the define-globalized-minor-mode macro is at > fault, because the minor mode code is executed first (run-mode- > hooks) before the minor mode is configured. If this is true, can > this be changed? > > If not, how are users supposed to set something like word-wrap for a > major mode when the global mode is enabled? > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090801/84f0cddd/smime.bin From fin at finseth.com Sat Aug 1 10:23:37 2009 From: fin at finseth.com (Craig A. Finseth) Date: Sat Aug 1 11:20:06 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] looking for help in two areas Message-ID: <20090801142337.D9D7A76D16@isis.visi.com> I'm looking for help in two areas. First, if you copy or cut some text (C-W), move somewhere, yank it (C-Y), the text remains selected. If you start typing, the text that you just yanked is replaced. What is the mode setting that controls this? Second, I just upgraded to: GNU Emacs 22.3.1 (i386-apple-darwin9.7.0, Carbon Version 1.6.0) of 2009-06-07 on scarlett.local - Aquamacs Distribution 1.8c from a version from several years ago. With this new version, C-Z doesn't do anything, even though I have this in my .emacs file: (global-set-key "\C-z" 'scroll-down-by-lines) Anyone have any idea where this is being overridden? I did some looking around, and it may have something to do with mouse support, but I can't figure out (in a reasonable time) how that is actually linked in. Thanks, Craig From david.reitter at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 11:29:45 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sat Aug 1 11:31:29 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] looking for help in two areas In-Reply-To: <20090801142337.D9D7A76D16@isis.visi.com> References: <20090801142337.D9D7A76D16@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: On Aug 1, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Craig A. Finseth wrote: > > First, if you copy or cut some text (C-W), move somewhere, yank it > (C-Y), the text remains selected. If you start typing, the text that > you just yanked is replaced. What is the mode setting that controls > this? It doesn't do that for me. In Help -> Diagnose there's a function that will let you start Aquamacs without customizations. > from a version from several years ago. With this new version, C-Z > doesn't do anything, even though I have this in my .emacs file: > > (global-set-key "\C-z" 'scroll-down-by-lines) > > Anyone have any idea where this is being overridden? Use define-key with osx-key-mode-map. This was bound to `ignore' because people hit C-z all the time by mistake (on English keyboards). The change log file should contain the full syntax. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This would make me happier... --e. > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: David Reitter >> Date: August 1, 2009 1:01:06 PM GMT+02:00 >> To: Emacs Development >> Subject: globalized minor modes and major mode hooks >> >> Here's something that came up on the Emacs on OS X mailing list in >> conjunction with an Aquamacs preview based on 23.1. >> >> A user wanted to know how to turn off word wrapping just for >> latex. Translated to GNU Emacs 23.1, this would be: >> >> (add-hook 'latex-mode-hook >> (defun turn-off-word-wrap () (setq word-wrap nil))) >> >> As a normal setting, we also have: >> >> (global-visual-line-mode 1) >> >> Now, switching to LaTeX mode: >> >> (latex-mode) >> >> What should the value of word-wrap be? >> >> I expected that the specific, local mode-hook setting would >> override any global defaults defined by global-visual-line-mode. >> However, this is not the case. word-wrap is t. >> >> Two questions: >> >> 1. What is a good route for a user without intimate knowledge of >> Emacs internals (specifically without knowing how global-visual- >> line-mode does its job) to debug this? >> >> 2. I suspect that the define-globalized-minor-mode macro is at >> fault, because the minor mode code is executed first (run-mode- >> hooks) before the minor mode is configured. If this is true, can >> this be changed? >> >> If not, how are users supposed to set something like word-wrap for >> a major mode when the global mode is enabled? From joseph.slater at wright.edu Tue Aug 4 20:19:16 2009 From: joseph.slater at wright.edu (Joseph C. Slater PE, PhD) Date: Tue Aug 4 20:21:13 2009 Subject: AUCTEX Not loading...Was: Re: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 2.0 preview-1 available In-Reply-To: <95C812AD-5FB3-4B6F-A982-2AD4ECFFFAB3@gmail.com> References: <95C812AD-5FB3-4B6F-A982-2AD4ECFFFAB3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jul 30, 2009, at 7:00 AM, David Reitter wrote: > The Aquamacs Project today provided a preview release of Aquamacs > 2.0, the text and code editor for the Mac based on GNU Emacs 23.1. > > Aquamacs 2.0 preview 1 introduces full Cocoa support and a number of > associated features. It is even faster and provides a smoother > experience for Mac users. Like the Mac version of Emacs 23.1, it is > not yet as reliable and distributed as a preview only. The download > is available for direct download at > > http://aquamacs.org/download-preview.shtml > I thought I should try this out and kill another weird quirk I have with my system. I thought I should finally try to get rid of my .emacs file and go with the build in defaults for Aquamacs Emacs (then try transitioning to the new Aquamacs) because on sync I get an error "28:36: execution error: File Emacs wasnâ\200\231t found." Well, the syncing puts the cursor at the right spot, so I'd been ignoring it. Ditching my hack of a .emacs file which I don't even understand (It's stuff I've copied and kept through multiple emacs versions and not documented) does indeed get rid of this weird behavior. However, when I try to run the new Aquamacs, AucTeX isn't loaded. If I put the old .emacs file back and use Aquamacs, it now loads (go figure). Summary: AucTeX isn't loading by default when Aquamacs loads a TeX file (it's using the basic emacs TeX mode). I don't know that is't just me because I tried another account and got the same lack of AucTeX. Is this included in the new Aquamacs setup yet? (Am I writing about a fake bug?). It does seem faster in sync, btw. Thanks, Joe From santagada at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 21:53:04 2009 From: santagada at gmail.com (Leonardo Santagada) Date: Tue Aug 4 22:27:10 2009 Subject: AUCTEX Not loading...Was: Re: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 2.0 preview-1 available In-Reply-To: References: <95C812AD-5FB3-4B6F-A982-2AD4ECFFFAB3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <683BDF9D-1420-4023-9C64-08BBBA828549@gmail.com> On Aug 4, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Joseph C. Slater PE, PhD wrote: > > On Jul 30, 2009, at 7:00 AM, David Reitter wrote: > >> The Aquamacs Project today provided a preview release of Aquamacs >> 2.0, the text and code editor for the Mac based on GNU Emacs 23.1. >> >> Aquamacs 2.0 preview 1 introduces full Cocoa support and a number >> of associated features. It is even faster and provides a smoother >> experience for Mac users. Like the Mac version of Emacs 23.1, it >> is not yet as reliable and distributed as a preview only. The >> download is available for direct download at >> >> http://aquamacs.org/download-preview.shtml >> > > > I thought I should try this out and kill another weird quirk I have > with my system. > I thought I should finally try to get rid of my .emacs file and go > with the build in defaults for Aquamacs Emacs (then try > transitioning to the new Aquamacs) because on sync I get an error > "28:36: execution error: File Emacs wasnâ\200\231t found." Well, > the syncing puts the cursor at the right spot, so I'd been ignoring > it. Ditching my hack of a .emacs file which I don't even understand > (It's stuff I've copied and kept through multiple emacs versions and > not documented) does indeed get rid of this weird behavior. However, > when I try to run the new Aquamacs, AucTeX isn't loaded. If I put > the old .emacs file back and use Aquamacs, it now loads (go figure). > > Summary: AucTeX isn't loading by default when Aquamacs loads a TeX > file (it's using the basic emacs TeX mode). I don't know that is't > just me because I tried another account and got the same lack of > AucTeX. Is this included in the new Aquamacs setup yet? (Am I > writing about a fake bug?). > > It does seem faster in sync, btw. The same thing is happening to me, AucTex don't seem to be activated by default for tex files. putting: (require 'tex-site) on your Preferences.el seems to fix it -- Leonardo Santagada santagada at gmail.com From david.reitter at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 01:05:20 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Wed Aug 5 01:07:15 2009 Subject: AUCTEX Not loading...Was: Re: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 2.0 preview-1 available In-Reply-To: References: <95C812AD-5FB3-4B6F-A982-2AD4ECFFFAB3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0DD01A21-E674-4AB4-8061-3895B381E103@gmail.com> Joe, On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:19 AM, Joseph C. Slater PE, PhD wrote: > I thought I should try this out and kill another weird quirk I have > with my system. > I thought I should finally try to get rid of my .emacs file and go > with the build in defaults for Aquamacs Emacs (then try As discussed on aquamacs-devel / aquamacs-bugs (please report problems with preview/beta versions there), this is a bug in the preview and has since been fixed in the development (master) branch. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090805/55836574/smime.bin From joseph.slater at wright.edu Wed Aug 5 10:25:58 2009 From: joseph.slater at wright.edu (Joseph C. Slater PE, PhD) Date: Wed Aug 5 10:27:52 2009 Subject: AUCTEX Not loading...Was: Re: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 2.0 preview-1 available In-Reply-To: <0DD01A21-E674-4AB4-8061-3895B381E103@gmail.com> References: <95C812AD-5FB3-4B6F-A982-2AD4ECFFFAB3@gmail.com> <0DD01A21-E674-4AB4-8061-3895B381E103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2614E65E-54EF-444C-BB19-BC728FA032CC@wright.edu> On Aug 5, 2009, at 1:05 AM, David Reitter wrote: > Joe, > > On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:19 AM, Joseph C. Slater PE, PhD wrote: >> I thought I should try this out and kill another weird quirk I have >> with my system. >> I thought I should finally try to get rid of my .emacs file and go >> with the build in defaults for Aquamacs Emacs (then try > > As discussed on aquamacs-devel / aquamacs-bugs (please report > problems with preview/beta versions there), this is a bug in the > preview and has since been fixed in the development (master) branch. Sorry. I just signed up on these. I thought I had been. Thanks for the note. Works great (for me at least). Joe -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2431 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090805/a9089ec5/smime.bin From vollmar at nf.mpg.de Wed Aug 5 19:34:15 2009 From: vollmar at nf.mpg.de (Stefan Vollmar) Date: Wed Aug 5 19:36:10 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 2.0 preview-1 available In-Reply-To: <95C812AD-5FB3-4B6F-A982-2AD4ECFFFAB3@gmail.com> References: <95C812AD-5FB3-4B6F-A982-2AD4ECFFFAB3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9AB3C790-CB3E-40B9-A718-6EF967299FBB@nf.mpg.de> Dear David, dear Aquamacs Team, On 30.07.2009, at 13:00, David Reitter wrote: > The Aquamacs Project today provided a preview release of Aquamacs > 2.0, the text and code editor for the Mac based on GNU Emacs 23.1. > > Aquamacs 2.0 preview 1 introduces full Cocoa support and a number of > associated features. It is even faster and provides a smoother > experience for Mac users. Like the Mac version of Emacs 23.1, it is > not yet as reliable and distributed as a preview only. The download > is available for direct download at this is looking really great - and not just the beautiful new icon - THANK YOU! Warm regards, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de From david.reitter at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 10:47:33 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Thu Aug 6 11:10:20 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 2.0 (Cocoa) preview2 Message-ID: <87C85037-22C1-4BD2-B305-8805627BB952@gmail.com> Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 preview 2 is available http://aquamacs.org/download-preview.shtml The list of changes compared to the 1.x branch (current stable release) is available from http://aquamacs.org/nightlies.shtml Compared to preview 1, the most notable changes are AUCTeX support and emacsclient being installed with the Command Line Tools, as well as corrected key descriptions in menus and some minor fixes. Note: this is just a preview version, not the final release. The release will contain additional features and many improvements. Don't forget to submit patches and bug fixes should you find a bug! -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090806/03b14b7e/smime.bin From hindiogine at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 18:54:31 2009 From: hindiogine at gmail.com (Salvatore Enrico Indiogine) Date: Thu Aug 6 20:05:16 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs + BBDB or EDB Message-ID: <62622fe70908061554p753cc873m77bbb8e940b577ad@mail.gmail.com> Howdy! I love Aquamacs and I use it for just about everything that I do except browsing. I would like to add the package bbdb or edb. I have the official GNU Emacs 2007 manual and have done some Googling. The manual has nothing about installing packages and Google did not give me anything that I can understand :-) Is there a relatively simple way to add bbdb or another database to Aquamacs? Thanks, Enrico -- Enrico Indiogine Mathematics Education Texas A&M University Email: hindiogine@gmail.com Skype: hindiogine Website: http://www.coe.tamu.edu/~enrico "Rien ne va de soi. Rien n'est donné. Tous est construit." Gaston Bachelard, 1934 From jose.figueroa at ipmu.jp Thu Aug 6 21:20:26 2009 From: jose.figueroa at ipmu.jp (Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill) Date: Thu Aug 6 21:20:41 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs + BBDB or EDB In-Reply-To: <62622fe70908061554p753cc873m77bbb8e940b577ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <62622fe70908061554p753cc873m77bbb8e940b577ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19067.33114.316022.757275@knecht.local> Enrico> I would like to add the package bbdb or edb. I have the official Enrico> GNU Emacs 2007 manual and have done some Googling. The manual has Enrico> nothing about installing packages and Google did not give me anything Enrico> that I can understand :-) Enrico> Is there a relatively simple way to add bbdb or another Enrico> database to Aquamacs? I use BBDB with Aquamacs, but it's an old version of BBDB because the latest version (2.35 as of this writing) does not build on Mac OS X because of a problem with spaces in the paths which I have not been able to solve -- configure scripts are a mess to look at -- nor have I managed to convince the current maintainer (Robert Widhopf-Fenk) to look into it. By the way, it's sad that VM and BBDB are in the hands of people who use XEmacs and who seem totally uninterested in whether these packages even build to be used with other variants of emacs. I'm sorry that I don't know enough to get this package built and chances are that anything I might get working on my machine might not be exportable to other people anyway. So the short answer is that yes, you can get BBDB working, but you're essentially on your own. Later, José -- Professor José Miguel Figueroa-O'Farrill Institute for the Physics and Mathematics of the Universe University of Tokyo, Kashiwa, Chiba, Japan Phone: +81-4-7136-4958 and Skype: josemiguelfigueroa Web: http://www.maths.ed.ac.uk/~jmf Blog: http://empg.maths.ed.ac.uk/blog From hindiogine at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 21:57:16 2009 From: hindiogine at gmail.com (Salvatore Enrico Indiogine) Date: Thu Aug 6 21:57:23 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs + BBDB or EDB In-Reply-To: <19067.33114.316022.757275@knecht.local> References: <62622fe70908061554p753cc873m77bbb8e940b577ad@mail.gmail.com> <19067.33114.316022.757275@knecht.local> Message-ID: <62622fe70908061857j3f66306cg8fd843fc5a062872@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jose' 2009/8/6 Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill : > So the short answer is that yes, you can get BBDB working, but you're > essentially on your own. Bummer! So, that is why the Aquamacs developers have not included BBDB among the many packages that they have added. In Ubuntu BBDB is just a deb package that is easily installed, but I really like to work on my MacBook. Oh well.... Enrico -- Enrico Indiogine Mathematics Education Texas A&M University Email: hindiogine@gmail.com Skype: hindiogine Website: http://www.coe.tamu.edu/~enrico "Rien ne va de soi. Rien n'est donné. Tous est construit." Gaston Bachelard, 1934 From jean.christophe.helary at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 22:01:06 2009 From: jean.christophe.helary at gmail.com (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Thu Aug 6 22:33:45 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs + BBDB or EDB In-Reply-To: <62622fe70908061857j3f66306cg8fd843fc5a062872@mail.gmail.com> References: <62622fe70908061554p753cc873m77bbb8e940b577ad@mail.gmail.com> <19067.33114.316022.757275@knecht.local> <62622fe70908061857j3f66306cg8fd843fc5a062872@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On vendredi 07 août 09, at 10:57, Salvatore Enrico Indiogine wrote: > Hi Jose' > > 2009/8/6 Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill : >> So the short answer is that yes, you can get BBDB working, but you're >> essentially on your own. > > Bummer! So, that is why the Aquamacs developers have not included > BBDB among the many packages that they have added. > > In Ubuntu BBDB is just a deb package that is easily installed, but I > really like to work on my MacBook. Oh well.... I just tried building it and it worked. So I suppose iit really depends on your system. Give that a try ! Jean-Christophe Helary ------------------------------------ http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/ http://twitter.com/brandelune From david.reitter at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 23:02:01 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Thu Aug 6 23:02:10 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs + BBDB or EDB In-Reply-To: <62622fe70908061857j3f66306cg8fd843fc5a062872@mail.gmail.com> References: <62622fe70908061554p753cc873m77bbb8e940b577ad@mail.gmail.com> <19067.33114.316022.757275@knecht.local> <62622fe70908061857j3f66306cg8fd843fc5a062872@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <02B449EF-1F06-448F-B57C-CB617CF627B6@gmail.com> On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:57 PM, Salvatore Enrico Indiogine wrote: > Bummer! So, that is why the Aquamacs developers have not included > BBDB among the many packages that they have added. Hmm, let me avoid a cocky comment about being able to build this here... But even factually, BBDB is 1.7MB (sources alone). Also, the fact that the latest release is from Jan 2007 speaks against it being actively maintained; or at least they don't declare releases. Finally, it's a matter of interest and whether I see interest among Aquamacs users... -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090806/dc7ab285/smime.bin From jose.figueroa at ipmu.jp Fri Aug 7 00:07:38 2009 From: jose.figueroa at ipmu.jp (Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill) Date: Fri Aug 7 00:07:49 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs + BBDB or EDB In-Reply-To: References: <62622fe70908061554p753cc873m77bbb8e940b577ad@mail.gmail.com> <19067.33114.316022.757275@knecht.local> <62622fe70908061857j3f66306cg8fd843fc5a062872@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19067.43146.682683.603322@knecht.local> José> So the short answer is that yes, you can get BBDB working, but you're José> essentially on your own. Enrico> Bummer! So, that is why the Aquamacs developers have not included Enrico> BBDB among the many packages that they have added. Enrico> In Ubuntu BBDB is just a deb package that is easily installed, but I Enrico> really like to work on my MacBook. Oh well.... JC> I just tried building it and it worked. So I suppose JC> it really depends on your system. Give that a try ! Did you have to give 'configure' any paths which contain a space? Mac OS X Leopard comes with emacs 22.1.1, so you can avoid specifying --with-emacs and hence the space contained in the the path to the Aquamacs executable. Alas, in my case, I use BBDB together with VM and the path for --with-vm does contain a space (~/Library/Application Support/...). When I supply this path to 'configure' it generates a broken Makefile. Does your system behave any better? Cheers, José -- Professor José Miguel Figueroa-O'Farrill Institute for the Physics and Mathematics of the Universe University of Tokyo, Kashiwa, Chiba, Japan Phone: +81-4-7136-4958 and Skype: josemiguelfigueroa Web: http://www.maths.ed.ac.uk/~jmf Blog: http://empg.maths.ed.ac.uk/blog From jean.christophe.helary at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 04:05:57 2009 From: jean.christophe.helary at gmail.com (Jean-Christophe Helary) Date: Fri Aug 7 04:06:07 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs + BBDB or EDB In-Reply-To: <19067.43146.682683.603322@knecht.local> References: <62622fe70908061554p753cc873m77bbb8e940b577ad@mail.gmail.com> <19067.33114.316022.757275@knecht.local> <62622fe70908061857j3f66306cg8fd843fc5a062872@mail.gmail.com> <19067.43146.682683.603322@knecht.local> Message-ID: On vendredi 07 août 09, at 13:07, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote: > Did you have to give 'configure' any paths which contain a space? > > Mac OS X Leopard comes with emacs 22.1.1, so you can avoid specifying > --with-emacs and hence the space contained in the the path to the > Aquamacs > executable. Alas, in my case, I use BBDB together with VM and the > path > for --with-vm does contain a space (~/Library/Application > Support/...). > When I supply this path to 'configure' it generates a broken Makefile. > > Does your system behave any better? Don't you just need to build the code and then put it where you want it ? I have not tried, so I don't know, but since all the code produced by make seems to be .elc, it seems to me that putting that in the path where emacs looks for such files along with a (require '...) would solve your build issue, wouldn't it ? Jean-Christophe Helary ------------------------------------ http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/ http://twitter.com/brandelune From hindiogine at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 14:30:36 2009 From: hindiogine at gmail.com (Salvatore Enrico Indiogine) Date: Fri Aug 7 14:30:42 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs + BBDB or EDB In-Reply-To: References: <62622fe70908061554p753cc873m77bbb8e940b577ad@mail.gmail.com> <19067.33114.316022.757275@knecht.local> <62622fe70908061857j3f66306cg8fd843fc5a062872@mail.gmail.com> <19067.43146.682683.603322@knecht.local> Message-ID: <62622fe70908071130j74b1aa65m7b799d858336dec4@mail.gmail.com> I used Fink to install Emacs 23 and bbdb. It works even though I prefer Aquamacs. Thanks for all the feedback, Enrico -- Enrico Indiogine Mathematics Education Texas A&M University Email: hindiogine@gmail.com Skype: hindiogine Website: http://www.coe.tamu.edu/~enrico "Rien ne va de soi. Rien n'est donné. Tous est construit." Gaston Bachelard, 1934 From skip at pobox.com Fri Aug 7 18:51:29 2009 From: skip at pobox.com (skip@pobox.com) Date: Fri Aug 7 19:11:35 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs + BBDB or EDB Message-ID: <19068.45041.147116.505688@montanaro.dyndns.org> Jose> By the way, it's sad that VM and BBDB are in the hands of people Jose> who use XEmacs and who seem totally uninterested in whether these Jose> packages even build to be used with other variants of emacs. It's not the fault of people who maintain packages like BBDB or VM that the core XEmacs and GNU Emacs camps haven't been able to come to some sort of agreement about merging the two versions or even to agree on common APIs for some major facilities. This has been going on for at least a decade. If someone chooses not to maintain their package on both I don't think I can blame them. It's a bit of a PITA just to try and use both dialects let alone try to maintain packages across them. -- Skip Montanaro - skip@pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ Getting old sucks, but it beats dying young From hindiogine at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 19:46:11 2009 From: hindiogine at gmail.com (Salvatore Enrico Indiogine) Date: Fri Aug 7 19:46:19 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs + BBDB or EDB In-Reply-To: <19068.45041.147116.505688@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <19068.45041.147116.505688@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <62622fe70908071646xf791c33j1d257c0e4c04940f@mail.gmail.com> Fink is ideal for someone like me who has UNIX/Linux experience but is not a software developer. I would not use OSX if it were not based on some type of UNIX, BSD in this case. Anyway, using Fink I installed edb, the Emacs DataBase. I seems to be much more useful, at least for my needs, than BBDB. There are some minor problems. E.g. the reference card is a postscript file that whether it is printed or converted to pdf is missing the left margin of the text. Basically the first column of three is useless. There is no manual or tutorial that I know of, but the info file seems to be extensive. Funny, I had the same problem with the Reference card of Emacs Calc, but not with AucTeX. Enrico -- Enrico Indiogine Mathematics Education Texas A&M University Email: hindiogine@gmail.com Skype: hindiogine Website: http://www.coe.tamu.edu/~enrico "Rien ne va de soi. Rien n'est donné. Tous est construit." Gaston Bachelard, 1934 From jose.figueroa at ipmu.jp Sat Aug 8 02:17:10 2009 From: jose.figueroa at ipmu.jp (Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill) Date: Sat Aug 8 02:17:23 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs + BBDB or EDB In-Reply-To: <19068.45041.147116.505688@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <19068.45041.147116.505688@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <19069.6246.592224.382122@knecht.local> Jose> By the way, it's sad that VM and BBDB are in the hands of people Jose> who use XEmacs and who seem totally uninterested in whether these Jose> packages even build to be used with other variants of emacs. Skip> It's not the fault of people who maintain packages like BBDB or Skip> VM that the core XEmacs and GNU Emacs camps haven't been able to Skip> come to some sort of agreement about merging the two versions or Skip> even to agree on common APIs for some major facilities. This Skip> has been going on for at least a decade. If someone chooses not Skip> to maintain their package on both I don't think I can blame Skip> them. It's a bit of a PITA just to try and use both dialects Skip> let alone try to maintain packages across them. I've been using VM since I was a grad student in the late 80s, before the great Lucid Emacs/GNU Emacs split of the early 90s. Other packages remained neutral and VM might have as well. It's just sad that it didn't because it is my favourite mail client but it is becoming increasingly annoying to use. BBDB is a different story, of course, because that was Jamie "Lucid" Zawinski's baby, so in XEmacs ab initio. Anyway, I'm running both (although not in their latest versions) in Aquamacs 1.8 and will continue to do so until it breaks or something better comes along. Cheers, José -- Professor José Miguel Figueroa-O'Farrill Institute for the Physics and Mathematics of the Universe University of Tokyo, Kashiwa, Chiba, Japan Phone: +81-4-7136-4958 and Skype: josemiguelfigueroa Web: http://www.maths.ed.ac.uk/~jmf Blog: http://empg.maths.ed.ac.uk/blog From skip at pobox.com Sat Aug 8 06:53:16 2009 From: skip at pobox.com (skip@pobox.com) Date: Sat Aug 8 06:53:26 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs + BBDB or EDB In-Reply-To: <19069.6246.592224.382122@knecht.local> References: <19068.45041.147116.505688@montanaro.dyndns.org> <19069.6246.592224.382122@knecht.local> Message-ID: <19069.22812.178967.126339@montanaro.dyndns.org> Jose> Anyway, I'm running both (although not in their latest versions) Jose> in Aquamacs 1.8 and will continue to do so until it breaks or Jose> something better comes along. Never saw a need for a database in my editor, but I have used VM for years and am typing this with VM 8.0.12 in Aquamacs. -- Skip Montanaro - skip@pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ Getting old sucks, but it beats dying young From tsd at tsdye.com Sat Aug 8 14:00:03 2009 From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) Date: Sat Aug 8 14:26:54 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: reftex configuration problem? In-Reply-To: References: <02443D84-C7D8-42D2-AB41-1060C36FE671@tsdye.com> <1270091D-A31C-4DB5-BE2F-6C04C3378E73@tsdye.com> <5FF3BFCC-0C35-46FE-8E29-0820D3DD76C7@gmail.com> <3B1BE435-E3D7-43A6-9F50-8BA35326F27F@tsdye.com> <87d47t7w2d.fsf@caeruleus.net> Message-ID: On Jul 21, 2009, at 12:47 PM, David Reitter wrote: > On Jul 21, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Ralf Angeli wrote: >>> >>> This seems to occur in read_filtered_event(), but I don't know why >>> and >>> where. >> >> My money is on `message_with_string'. Just a few days ago we had a >> similar (not reproducable) case which was related to `read-string'. > > prompt is nil. The reftex problem is present in the latest nightly build of Aquamacs Emacs 1.8. It is absent in Aquamacs 2.0. Nice! Tom From vollmar at nf.mpg.de Mon Aug 10 06:39:08 2009 From: vollmar at nf.mpg.de (Stefan Vollmar) Date: Mon Aug 10 06:39:23 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] org-mode with Aquamacs 2.0preview2: charsets directory? Message-ID: <0F5A304B-3051-4898-B952-FC5ECF75C50E@nf.mpg.de> Hello, I wanted to build the latest org-mode for Aquamacs 2.0preview2 with this result: emacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "(progn (add-to-list (quote load- path) \"/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp\") (add-to-list (quote load- path) (expand-file-name \"./lisp/\")))" -f batch-byte-compile lisp/ org.el Warning: arch-dependent data dir (/Users/dr/Nightly/Cocoa23ub/aquamacs- emacs.git/nextstep/Aquamacs.app/Contents/MacOS/libexec/emacs/23.1/i386- apple-darwin9.7.0/) does not exist. Warning: arch-independent data dir (/Users/dr/Nightly/Cocoa23ub/ aquamacs-emacs.git/nextstep/Aquamacs.app/Contents/Resources/share/ emacs/23.1/etc/) does not exist. Error: charsets directory (/Users/dr/Nightly/Cocoa23ub/aquamacs- emacs.git/nextstep/Aquamacs.app/Contents/Resources/share/emacs/23.1/ etc/charsets) does not exist. Emacs will not function correctly without the character map files. Please check your installation! Cannot open load file: encoded-kb Any help is appreciated. Warm regards, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de From david.reitter at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 08:31:00 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Mon Aug 10 08:37:03 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] org-mode with Aquamacs 2.0preview2: charsets directory? In-Reply-To: <0F5A304B-3051-4898-B952-FC5ECF75C50E@nf.mpg.de> References: <0F5A304B-3051-4898-B952-FC5ECF75C50E@nf.mpg.de> Message-ID: <3D21BD92-E3EB-4482-ADB8-B56735F5F759@gmail.com> On Aug 10, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Stefan Vollmar wrote: > emacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "(progn (add-to-list (quote load- > path) \"/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp\") (add-to-list (quote load- > path) (expand-file-name \"./lisp/\")))" -f batch-byte-compile lisp/ > org.el > Warning: arch-dependent data dir (/Users/dr/Nightly/Cocoa23ub/ > aquamacs-emacs.git/nextstep/Aquamacs.app/Contents/MacOS/libexec/ > emacs/23.1/i386-apple-darwin9.7.0/) does not exist. Hmm, this is a path from our build environment. I don't know why this ends up hard-coded in the binary. Second, what is "emacs"? It seems to run Aquamacs, but is it a symlink? > Error: charsets directory (/Users/dr/Nightly/Cocoa23ub/aquamacs- > emacs.git/nextstep/Aquamacs.app/Contents/Resources/share/emacs/23.1/ > etc/charsets) does not exist. > Emacs will not function correctly without the character map files. That's clearly the wrong path. It should be Resources/etc/charsets I believe. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090810/9b111b44/smime.bin From vollmar at nf.mpg.de Mon Aug 10 09:56:02 2009 From: vollmar at nf.mpg.de (Stefan Vollmar) Date: Mon Aug 10 09:56:18 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] org-mode with Aquamacs 2.0preview2: charsets directory? In-Reply-To: <3D21BD92-E3EB-4482-ADB8-B56735F5F759@gmail.com> References: <0F5A304B-3051-4898-B952-FC5ECF75C50E@nf.mpg.de> <3D21BD92-E3EB-4482-ADB8-B56735F5F759@gmail.com> Message-ID: <38DA1945-A673-4B09-8539-1D0D1BC0D988@nf.mpg.de> Dear David, On 10.08.2009, at 14:31, David Reitter wrote: > On Aug 10, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Stefan Vollmar wrote: >> emacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "(progn (add-to-list (quote >> load-path) \"/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp\") (add-to-list >> (quote load-path) (expand-file-name \"./lisp/\")))" -f batch-byte- >> compile lisp/org.el >> Warning: arch-dependent data dir (/Users/dr/Nightly/Cocoa23ub/ >> aquamacs-emacs.git/nextstep/Aquamacs.app/Contents/MacOS/libexec/ >> emacs/23.1/i386-apple-darwin9.7.0/) does not exist. > > Hmm, this is a path from our build environment. I don't know why > this ends up hard-coded in the binary. > > Second, what is "emacs"? It seems to run Aquamacs, but is it a > symlink? This, apparently, was the problem. org-mode comes with a Makefile which has a line EMACS=emacs and I have set up a link /usr/bin/emacs -> /Applications/Aquamacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Calling emacs that way results in: Error: charsets directory (/Users/dr/Nightly/Cocoa23ub/aquamacs- emacs.git/nextstep/Aquamacs.app/Contents/Resources/share/emacs/23.1/ etc/charsets) does not exist. I realize that this was not a particularly clever thing to do - sorry. If I configure org-mode's Makefile as EMACS="/Applications/Aquamacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs" org-mode is build correctly. Warm regards, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de From siemsen at ucar.edu Tue Aug 11 01:19:17 2009 From: siemsen at ucar.edu (Pete Siemsen) Date: Tue Aug 11 01:38:19 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs problem: "message" function no longer works during startup Message-ID: <4A6E3852-2435-4E9C-9BF7-39328B4A63A4@ucar.edu> I use Aquamacs on Mac OS X and XEmacs on Linux. I use the same init.el file in both environments. Many of my customizations work in both Emacsen, and I have conditional logic for those that don't. In general, this works fine. Sometimes, when I'm tweaking features in either Emacs, I mistakenly inject errors, and an Emacs fails to start. To help localize the problem, I've inserted permanent logging messages in the init.el file, with some logic that temporarily "turns them on" and later "turns them off". This has worked well in the past. Today, I discovered that it isn't working, perhaps because Aquamacs has evolved. I no longer get any log messages in Aquamacs. Here's the code from the beginning of my init.el file: ;;; ;;; XEmacs and Aquamacs don't support the same logging functions, so I wrote ;;; this wrapper that takes care of the details. In XEmacs, the messages get ;;; written to standard out. In Aquamacs, they get written to the *Messages* ;;; buffer. Wish I could make XEmacs behave like Aquamacs. ;;; ;;; Set this to t to debug, or nil to not debug (setq debugging-petes-init-file t) (defun petes-log-message (lmsg) (if debugging-petes-init-file (progn (if (featurep 'xemacs) (external-debugging-output (concat lmsg "\r\n")) ) (when (boundp 'aquamacs-version) (message lmsg) ) ) ) ) (petes-log-message "executing init.el") This used to work. The message function is still there - I can run it interactively. It just doesn't work in my init.el file. Help! BTW, I'm using the very latest version of Aquamacs - "2.0preview2". -- Pete From siemsen at ucar.edu Tue Aug 11 01:45:22 2009 From: siemsen at ucar.edu (Pete Siemsen) Date: Tue Aug 11 01:45:43 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs: How to get a "visible bell"? Message-ID: <30178A57-CB26-4095-B2E3-8D67E2F8C74C@ucar.edu> I'm using the new Cocoa Aquamacs. Does the new Aquamacs support a visible bell? -- Pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090810/393c310d/attachment.html From skip at pobox.com Tue Aug 11 06:21:48 2009 From: skip at pobox.com (skip@pobox.com) Date: Tue Aug 11 06:22:23 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs: How to get a "visible bell"? In-Reply-To: <30178A57-CB26-4095-B2E3-8D67E2F8C74C@ucar.edu> References: <30178A57-CB26-4095-B2E3-8D67E2F8C74C@ucar.edu> Message-ID: <19073.17980.631400.795458@montanaro.dyndns.org> Pete> I'm using the new Cocoa Aquamacs. Pete> Does the new Aquamacs support a visible bell? It appears to, but it seems pretty unobtrusive. I have visible-bell set to t and when I execute (beep) all it does is briefly flash the mode line for the current frame. -- Skip Montanaro - skip@pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ Getting old sucks, but it beats dying young From hindiogine at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 12:47:19 2009 From: hindiogine at gmail.com (Salvatore Enrico Indiogine) Date: Tue Aug 11 12:47:37 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs + BBDB or EDB In-Reply-To: <62622fe70908071646xf791c33j1d257c0e4c04940f@mail.gmail.com> References: <19068.45041.147116.505688@montanaro.dyndns.org> <62622fe70908071646xf791c33j1d257c0e4c04940f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <62622fe70908110947u379ade50q9769984d16984f0a@mail.gmail.com> Howdy! 2009/8/7 Salvatore Enrico Indiogine : > Anyway, using Fink I installed edb, the Emacs DataBase.   I seems to > be much more useful, at least for my needs, than BBDB.  There are some > minor problems.  E.g. the reference card is a postscript file that > whether it is printed or converted to pdf is missing the left margin > of the text.  Basically the first column of three is useless. Once I found the tex file for the refcard, refcard.tex, in the doc subdirectory of the source tar.gz the fix was easy. Changed the \documentclass[a4paper.... to letterpaper and compiled it to pdf. Enrico -- Enrico Indiogine Mathematics Education Texas A&M University Email: hindiogine@gmail.com Skype: hindiogine Website: http://www.coe.tamu.edu/~enrico "Rien ne va de soi. Rien n'est donné. Tous est construit." Gaston Bachelard, 1934 From mcg at gilbert.org Tue Aug 11 13:16:57 2009 From: mcg at gilbert.org (Michael Gilbert) Date: Tue Aug 11 13:18:20 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] dialog box issues - known problems? Message-ID: Hi -- Running Aquamacs Preview 2, but this has been going on a long time. (1) Command-. doesn't work to cancel dialog boxes. At least it doesn't work with the save dialog. Sometimes I accidently try to save a buffer and want to keep my hands on the keyboard to cancel out of it. But no go. It requires me to click. (2) Unsaved changes dialog is tricksy. When I am quitting a bunch of applications, including Aquamacs, sometimes it doesn't quit. The reason is unsaved changes. But the dialog box doesn't seem to reliably appear on top of the application. Sometimes i have to switch to another app and then back. Sometimes, I don't know.... it shows up eventually. Also, there don't appear to be keyboard interfaces (such as defaults) to that either. Am I configuring something wrong? Is this a known issue with a tracking number? -- Michael Michael C. Gilbert -- mcg@gilbert.org The Gilbert Center -- http://gilbert.org Nonprofit Online News -- http://nonprofitnews.org "There can be no joy of life without joy of work." -- Aquinas From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE Tue Aug 11 14:56:33 2009 From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Tue Aug 11 14:57:01 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] dialog box issues - known problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A4E9B50-2ACE-4768-8F4E-B052A497E587@Web.DE> Am 11.08.2009 um 19:16 schrieb Michael Gilbert: > Am I configuring something wrong? Is this a known issue with a > tracking number? GNU Emacs 23.1 as Cocoa Emacs.app has some edges. Maybe it helps to write and send good bug reports. -- Greetings Pete Never be led astray onto the path of virtue From mcg at gilbert.org Tue Aug 11 15:02:17 2009 From: mcg at gilbert.org (Michael Gilbert) Date: Tue Aug 11 15:02:35 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] dialog box issues - known problems? In-Reply-To: <5A4E9B50-2ACE-4768-8F4E-B052A497E587@Web.DE> References: <5A4E9B50-2ACE-4768-8F4E-B052A497E587@Web.DE> Message-ID: On Aug 11,2009, at 11:56 AM, Peter Dyballa wrote: > Am 11.08.2009 um 19:16 schrieb Michael Gilbert: > >> Am I configuring something wrong? Is this a known issue with a >> tracking number? > > GNU Emacs 23.1 as Cocoa Emacs.app has some edges. Maybe it helps to > write and send good bug reports. Yes, that was why I was asking. This was not a complaint. I wish to contribute to the process in a constructive manner. So, I was trying to find out if these are known and documented issues. I thought perhaps someone on this list might know. -- Michael From david.reitter at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 16:18:06 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Tue Aug 11 16:18:27 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] dialog box issues - known problems? In-Reply-To: References: <5A4E9B50-2ACE-4768-8F4E-B052A497E587@Web.DE> Message-ID: <41584BA0-5603-408E-9040-42DB999BDF8F@gmail.com> On Aug 11, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Michael Gilbert wrote: > Yes, that was why I was asking. This was not a complaint. I wish to > contribute to the process in a constructive manner. So, I was trying > to find out if these are known and documented issues. I thought > perhaps someone on this list might know. The best place to look right now is http://emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com and search for bugs in general or in package "ns" (which is Nextstep == Cocoa). Emacs 23.1 Nextstep (Cocoa) is not stable and reliable yet; this is documented in etc/NEWS. It really needs work. E.g., it crashes in its event loop quite often for me, but it's not reproducible. The best way to help with the development is to figure out why (in the code!) bugs occur and then describe the solution, either verbally or by writing a patch. Reporting bugs with all information needed to reproduce is a minimal first step, but it is not very effective when there are not enough people actually dealing with the reports. So: debug and write more code. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090811/c6de9fe2/smime.bin From mcg at gilbert.org Tue Aug 11 16:42:06 2009 From: mcg at gilbert.org (Michael Gilbert) Date: Tue Aug 11 16:42:25 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] dialog box issues - known problems? In-Reply-To: <41584BA0-5603-408E-9040-42DB999BDF8F@gmail.com> References: <5A4E9B50-2ACE-4768-8F4E-B052A497E587@Web.DE> <41584BA0-5603-408E-9040-42DB999BDF8F@gmail.com> Message-ID: >> Yes, that was why I was asking. This was not a complaint. I wish to >> contribute to the process in a constructive manner. So, I was >> trying to find out if these are known and documented issues. I >> thought perhaps someone on this list might know. > > The best place to look right now is http:// > emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com and search for bugs in general or in > package "ns" (which is Nextstep == Cocoa). Thank you for pointing me there. I want to participate constructively, but I am utterly new here. I will poke around there. > Emacs 23.1 Nextstep (Cocoa) is not stable and reliable yet; this is > documented in etc/NEWS. It really needs work. E.g., it crashes in > its event loop quite often for me, but it's not reproducible. *nod* THAT I knew, though it's been amazingly stable for me. > The best way to help with the development is to figure out why (in > the code!) bugs occur and then describe the solution, either > verbally or by writing a patch. Reporting bugs with all information > needed to reproduce is a minimal first step, but it is not very > effective when there are not enough people actually dealing with the > reports. So: debug and write more code. I would love to contribute code, but I'm neither a Cocoa/Objective C nor Lisp developer. I do know how to write up useful bug reports, but it sounds like you're telling me that I really shouldn't bother unless I can fix them myself. Am I hearing you right? I want to respect the norms of the development community here. -- M From david.reitter at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 17:00:57 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Tue Aug 11 17:01:19 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] dialog box issues - known problems? In-Reply-To: References: <5A4E9B50-2ACE-4768-8F4E-B052A497E587@Web.DE> <41584BA0-5603-408E-9040-42DB999BDF8F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2E96C8AB-B8E0-480B-AD43-10A798D3A233@gmail.com> On Aug 11, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Michael Gilbert wrote: >> The best way to help with the development is to figure out why (in >> the code!) bugs occur and then describe the solution, either >> verbally or by writing a patch. Reporting bugs with all >> information needed to reproduce is a minimal first step, but it is >> not very effective when there are not enough people actually >> dealing with the reports. So: debug and write more code. > > I would love to contribute code, but I'm neither a Cocoa/Objective C > nor Lisp developer. I wasn't, either, in early 2004. Emacs Lisp seemed liked a strange beast, and I mostly copied and pasted other people's (buggy) code. It's a fun language though! The same goes for Objective C. Different, but still fun to learn. Both Lisp and ObjC are wide-spread in two different communities, and learning them is worthwhile professionally for many people. > I do know how to write up useful bug reports, but it sounds like > you're telling me that I really shouldn't bother unless I can fix > them myself. Am I hearing you right? By all means: file good bug reports that are reproducible (with minimal work). Just don't expect fixes to happen soon. Thanks for being considerate and willing to help! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So as far as I could tell my VM summary window should have displayed text in something I would interpret as Courier-ish. It wasn't, so I started messing around. First thing I did was turn off inherit and set for the current session. No change. Then I tried changing the height from 120 to 150. The summary window I was viewing got MUCH BIGGER instantly, but still not Courier and not fixed width. I'm clearly barking up the right tree. How do I get the squirrel to fall out of it? -- Skip Montanaro - skip@pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ Getting old sucks, but it beats dying young From david.reitter at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 21:50:07 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Tue Aug 11 21:57:24 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] How to set font? In-Reply-To: <20090812013856.521BA11AE7AD@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <20090812013856.521BA11AE7AD@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <0AC957B8-4982-49CF-B6FB-60D03C59CAEF@gmail.com> On Aug 11, 2009, at 9:38 PM, wrote: > I don't understand how to set fonts. I'm using the new preview 2 > version. > For example, when running VM the summary window is in a variable > width sans > serif font. I executed M-x customize-face then scrolled down to the > Vm > Summary Mode Default section and displayed what was there. It > listed the > font family as courier new, the height as 120 tenths, weight medium, > slant > normal and inherit from autoface-default. autoface-default just > inherits > from default, which is a pretty generic looking Courier thing (foundry > apple, 130 tenths, black on white, medium weight, normal slant, etc). > > So as far as I could tell my VM summary window should have displayed > text in > something I would interpret as Courier-ish. No objection. (I assume that default is valid.) > Then I tried changing the height from 120 to 150. The > summary window I was viewing got MUCH BIGGER instantly, but still > not Courier and not > fixed width. > > I'm clearly barking up the right tree. How do I get the squirrel to > fall > out of it? C-u C-x = should tell you what font and face is being used at point. face-remapping-alist should confirm default -> vm-summary-mode-default (or so). It seems to be the right face. Have you tried using a different font, either in "default" or elsewhere? You could start w/o customizations and then customize. That should definitely work. Also remember that faces can, unfortunately, be frame-specific, which really complicates things sometimes. Generally it should work the way you described it! -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090811/3c4c359c/smime.bin From rolandw at mac.com Wed Aug 12 08:33:23 2009 From: rolandw at mac.com (Roland Whitehead) Date: Wed Aug 12 09:33:50 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] [2.0 p2] Returning emacs standard command functionality Message-ID: <1BB9FB11-F662-4C9D-997C-1D75F3DD3F6D@mac.com> Running Aquamacs 2 preview 2, I notice that many of the standard keyboard functions have now been set to OS X style UI. Thus c-x c-f brings up the normal OS open file dialog. Now this might be good for the average user but I want to run tramp and open hidden files and access files by path. The average user can still used Cmd-o to open the normal OS open file dialog so shouldn't emacs commands be left alone? As it is, what's the simplest way to return these mappings to standard emacs functionality? I'm getting fed up typing M-x find-file... Roland -- Quru Ltd, London From david.reitter at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 09:53:11 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Wed Aug 12 09:53:39 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] [2.0 p2] Returning emacs standard command functionality In-Reply-To: <1BB9FB11-F662-4C9D-997C-1D75F3DD3F6D@mac.com> References: <1BB9FB11-F662-4C9D-997C-1D75F3DD3F6D@mac.com> Message-ID: On Aug 12, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Roland Whitehead wrote: > Running Aquamacs 2 preview 2, I notice that many of the standard > keyboard functions have now been set to OS X style UI. Thus c-x c-f > brings up the normal OS open file dialog. Now this might be good for > the average user but I want to run tramp and open hidden files and > access files by path. The average user can still used Cmd-o to open > the normal OS open file dialog so shouldn't emacs commands be left > alone? Actually, this was not a deliberate change, and also I cannot reproduce the problem. C-x C-f brings up the minibuffer as it used to - that's how I load my files. Can you reproduce this when starting Aquamacs w/o customizations (Help/ Diagnose menu)? Also, can you isolate the setting / problem and file a bug report via the official channel (Help/Diagnose menu again)? -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Greetings, Uwe From david.reitter at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 17:40:25 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Wed Aug 12 18:05:15 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Return of dired mode problems like in Aquaemacs 1.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Uwe, On Aug 12, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Uwe Pieczynski wrote: > The problems with dired mode are back in Aquaemcas 2.0 preview 2. When > opening a directory for some directories there is only an error shown: > Wrong type argument: wholenump, nil Can you tell which directories cause this sort of error? > A similar problem was already fixed with Aquaemacs 1.8. > Seems like a kind of regression. I don't recall what this problem was - do you have a reference, like a bug report or a commit ID for the fix or anything like that? Thanks - David -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090812/ce7c385a/smime.bin From uwe at piehome.de Wed Aug 12 22:51:26 2009 From: uwe at piehome.de (Uwe Pieczynski) Date: Wed Aug 12 22:51:51 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Return of dired mode problems like in Aquaemacs 1.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It was not a proper fix but a workaround which was introduced in a nightly build first. We had communicated via E-Mail. I attach the last one. The function that fixed last time the problem does not work in Aquaemacs 2.0 It is only some of the directories that cause the problem. I assume that there is again a problem with Umlaute (ÄÖÜäöüß). For the error I tried the debug mode: Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument wholenump nil) decode-coding-region(1 470 utf-8-nfd) insert-directory("/Users/upi/tmp/" "-al" nil t) dired-insert-directory("/Users/upi/tmp/" "-al" nil nil t) dired-readin-insert() dired-readin() dired-internal-noselect("~/tmp/" nil) dired-noselect("~/tmp") run-hook-with-args-until-success(dired-noselect "~/tmp") find-file-noselect("~/tmp" nil nil t) (let ((value ...)) (if tabbar-mode (if ... ... ...) (if ... ...) (switch-to-buffer value))) aquamacs-find-file-2("~/tmp" t) call-interactively(aquamacs-find-file-2) (if filename (aquamacs-find-file-2 filename) (call-interactively (quote aquamacs-find-file-2))) (if (or (not one-buffer-one-frame) filename (< ... 2)) (if filename (aquamacs-find-file-2 filename) (call-interactively ...)) (let (...) (new-empty-buffer nil)) (let (...) (unwind-protect ... ...))) aquamacs-find-file() call-interactively(aquamacs-find-file nil nil) Greetings from Berlin, Uwe David Reitter schrieb: > Uwe, > > On Aug 12, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Uwe Pieczynski wrote: > >> The problems with dired mode are back in Aquaemcas 2.0 preview 2. When >> opening a directory for some directories there is only an error shown: >> Wrong type argument: wholenump, nil > > Can you tell which directories cause this sort of error? > >> A similar problem was already fixed with Aquaemacs 1.8. >> Seems like a kind of regression. > > I don't recall what this problem was - do you have a reference, like a > bug report or a commit ID for the fix or anything like that? > > Thanks > - David > > -- > http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X > http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? 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From: David Reitter Subject: Re: [Aquamacs-bugs] Error with Aquaemacs dired mode Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:47:06 -0400 Size: 23251 Url: http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090813/03270206/Aquamacs-bugsErrorwithAquaemacsdiredmode.eml From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE Thu Aug 13 04:22:08 2009 From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Thu Aug 13 04:22:25 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Return of dired mode problems like in Aquaemacs 1.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am 13.08.2009 um 04:51 schrieb Uwe Pieczynski: > It is only some of the directories that cause the problem. > I assume that there is again a problem with Umlaute (ÄÖÜäöüß). You have two possible options with Emacs: ? you can set dired-listing-switches to contain ``-w´´ and/or ``-v´´ which tell Apple's ls programme to print "raw" characters, ? you can set dired-listing-switches to contain ``-N´´ or ``--literal ´´ which tells gls to print "raw" characters, ? if you have real gls programme (from Fink or MacPorts) you can tell dired to use 'gls --dired' (or 'gls -D') via the variable dired- use-ls-dired. Of course you can combine many option to one "word" as in ``-alw´´ or ``-ahlDN´´. The other option is to set an environment variable LC_CTYPE which points to an UTF-8 encoding, de_DE.UTF-8 for example ('locale -a' will list all available ones). You can also set it in your init file: (setenv "LC_CTYPE" "UTF-8") This will enable Emacs to handle the contents of all buffers as Unicode, i.e., umlauts or other accented characters will be treated as "normal" ones. -- Mit friedvollen Grüßen Pete The best way to accelerate a PC is 9.8 m/s² From uwe at piehome.de Thu Aug 13 11:19:34 2009 From: uwe at piehome.de (Uwe Pieczynski) Date: Thu Aug 13 11:20:03 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Return of dired mode problems like in Aquaemacs 1.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Neither setting the locale nor setting the dired-listing-switches has an positive effect in Aquaemacs 2.0p2 By the way in Aquaemacs 1.8c and in the actual Carbon Emacs package this problem does not occur. Its bugging me only in Aquaemacs 2.0p2. Greetings from Berlin, Uwe Peter Dyballa schrieb: > > Am 13.08.2009 um 04:51 schrieb Uwe Pieczynski: > >> It is only some of the directories that cause the problem. >> I assume that there is again a problem with Umlaute (ÄÖÜäöüß). > > > You have two possible options with Emacs: > > ? you can set dired-listing-switches to contain ``-w´´ and/or ``-v´´ > which tell Apple's ls programme to print "raw" characters, > ? you can set dired-listing-switches to contain ``-N´´ or > ``--literal´´ which tells gls to print "raw" characters, > ? if you have real gls programme (from Fink or MacPorts) you can > tell dired to use 'gls --dired' (or 'gls -D') via the variable > dired-use-ls-dired. > > Of course you can combine many option to one "word" as in ``-alw´´ or > ``-ahlDN´´. > > The other option is to set an environment variable LC_CTYPE which points > to an UTF-8 encoding, de_DE.UTF-8 for example ('locale -a' will list all > available ones). You can also set it in your init file: > > (setenv "LC_CTYPE" "UTF-8") > > This will enable Emacs to handle the contents of all buffers as Unicode, > i.e., umlauts or other accented characters will be treated as "normal" > ones. > > -- > Mit friedvollen Grüßen > > Pete > > The best way to accelerate a PC is 9.8 m/s² > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE Thu Aug 13 13:15:11 2009 From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Thu Aug 13 13:15:32 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Return of dired mode problems like in Aquaemacs 1.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am 13.08.2009 um 17:19 schrieb Uwe Pieczynski: > Greetings from Berlin, Bad that nothing works! Actually I see similiar things in my self- compiled (Cocoa) Emacs.app: http://emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/ bugreport.cgi?bug=3710. I get in dired "File no longer exists;..." although I can easily isearch for file or directory names with umlauts. And it does not work to open such a file via C-x C-f. So it looks like a serious bug in the handling of decomposed Unicode characters, which both HFS and UFS return. And therefore it has nothing to do with dired, which simply presents what ls or gls deliver. If something else works, ma and my recumbent bike, then I'll arrive on Sunday in Teltow on my Flevo to visit Bauhaus-Archiv and Martin- Gropius-Bau on Monday (on Tuesday both could be closed), to see on Wednesday Bauhaus in Dessau, to be prepared for Bauhaus in Weimar on Friday ... -- Mit friedvollen Grüßen Pete If all else fails read the instructions. - Donald Knuth From rolandw at mac.com Thu Aug 13 18:31:39 2009 From: rolandw at mac.com (Roland Whitehead) Date: Thu Aug 13 19:31:59 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: MacOSX-Emacs Digest, Vol 22, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <20090812190004.765C3897F3C@email> References: <20090812190004.765C3897F3C@email> Message-ID: On 12 Aug 2009, at 20:00, David Reitter wrote in reply to my earlier message: >> Running Aquamacs 2 preview 2, I notice that many of the standard >> keyboard functions have now been set to OS X style UI. Thus c-x c-f >> brings up the normal OS open file dialog. Now this might be good for >> the average user but I want to run tramp and open hidden files and >> access files by path. The average user can still used Cmd-o to open >> the normal OS open file dialog so shouldn't emacs commands be left >> alone? > > Actually, this was not a deliberate change, and also I cannot > reproduce the problem. C-x C-f brings up the minibuffer as it used to > - that's how I load my files. > > Can you reproduce this when starting Aquamacs w/o customizations > (Help/ > Diagnose menu)? > Also, can you isolate the setting / problem and file a bug report via > the official channel (Help/Diagnose menu again)? Well, this shows how much emacs has got to me. Clearly not content with the standard emacs keyboard functionality in other Cocoa apps (like C-a, C-e, C-k, C-d, C-t) I have developed an odd habit of typing C-x C-s to save documents or C-x C-f to open documents in applications that haven't a clue what the button with "ctrl" printed on is for (like Safari, Preview etc), not to mention many other funnies (like alt-shift-4 to spell check a message in Mail etc,) and so I have used Keyboard Maestro to emulate emacs key bindings in other applications. These should be blocked in Aquamacs and various terminals where I might be running Emacs. Of course I forgot that I keep on renaming Aquamacs back to "Aquamacs Emacs.app" and running v2 pr2 in parallel to 1.8 I haven't renamed Aquamacs and so my Keyboard Maestro Macros have been kicking in before the combination is passed to Aquamacs itself. So, apologies for causing alarm (if any has been caused) but it's my (personal and probably psychiatric) problem rather than Aquamacs'. Anyone else suffering from such mad delusions and from the subconcious belief that not only is Emacs infinitely superior to Vi but that it's also superior to so many other apps combined...? Roland __ Quru Limited, London From siemsen at ucar.edu Thu Aug 13 19:50:57 2009 From: siemsen at ucar.edu (siemsen@ucar.edu) Date: Thu Aug 13 19:51:04 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] [2.0 p2] Returning emacs standard command functionality In-Reply-To: References: <1BB9FB11-F662-4C9D-997C-1D75F3DD3F6D@mac.com> Message-ID: I'm also running Aquamacs 2 preview 2. When I do C-x C-f, I get a minibuffer. I'm posting because I had a similar problem. By default, Aquamacs has C-x C-r bound to recentf-open-files. In other Emacsen, C-x C-r runs find-file-read-only. To restore the standard behavior, I added this to my startup file: (global-set-key "\C-x\C-r" 'find-file-read-only) -- Pete On Aug 12, 2009, at 7:53 AM, David Reitter wrote: > On Aug 12, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Roland Whitehead wrote: > >> Running Aquamacs 2 preview 2, I notice that many of the standard >> keyboard functions have now been set to OS X style UI. Thus c-x c-f >> brings up the normal OS open file dialog. Now this might be good >> for the average user but I want to run tramp and open hidden files >> and access files by path. The average user can still used Cmd-o to >> open the normal OS open file dialog so shouldn't emacs commands be >> left alone? > > Actually, this was not a deliberate change, and also I cannot > reproduce the problem. C-x C-f brings up the minibuffer as it used > to - that's how I load my files. > > Can you reproduce this when starting Aquamacs w/o customizations > (Help/Diagnose menu)? > Also, can you isolate the setting / problem and file a bug report > via the official channel (Help/Diagnose menu again)? > > -- > http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X > http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor > and support the Aquamacs Project! > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx From uwe at piehome.de Fri Aug 14 11:27:13 2009 From: uwe at piehome.de (Uwe Pieczynski) Date: Fri Aug 14 11:27:43 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Return of dired mode problems like in Aquaemacs 1.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will stick at the moment with Aquaemacs 1.8c which works flawless. I wait if somemore will experience similar problems and if this will be fixed in Aquaemacs 2.0. I will be away from Berlin the next 10 days and therefore away from my newsreader. Looking foreward to end of the month. Greetings, Uwe Peter Dyballa schrieb: > > Am 13.08.2009 um 17:19 schrieb Uwe Pieczynski: > >> Greetings from Berlin, > > > Bad that nothing works! Actually I see similiar things in my > self-compiled (Cocoa) Emacs.app: > http://emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3710. I get > in dired "File no longer exists;..." although I can easily isearch for > file or directory names with umlauts. And it does not work to open such > a file via C-x C-f. So it looks like a serious bug in the handling of > decomposed Unicode characters, which both HFS and UFS return. And > therefore it has nothing to do with dired, which simply presents what ls > or gls deliver. > > > If something else works, ma and my recumbent bike, then I'll arrive on > Sunday in Teltow on my Flevo to visit Bauhaus-Archiv and > Martin-Gropius-Bau on Monday (on Tuesday both could be closed), to see > on Wednesday Bauhaus in Dessau, to be prepared for Bauhaus in Weimar on > Friday ... > > -- > Mit friedvollen Grüßen > > Pete > > If all else fails read the instructions. > - Donald Knuth > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx > From david.reitter at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 08:12:32 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sat Aug 15 08:33:53 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Return of dired mode problems like in Aquaemacs 1.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 13, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > Bad that nothing works! Actually I see similiar things in my self- > compiled (Cocoa) Emacs.app: http://emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3710 > . I get in dired "File no longer exists;..." although I can easily > isearch for file or directory names with umlauts. And it does not > work to open such a file via C-x C-f. So it looks like a serious > bug in the handling of decomposed Unicode characters, which both HFS > and UFS return. And therefore it has nothing to do with dired, which > simply presents what ls or gls deliver. FYI see the report below, describing what I think is part of the problem. Uwe's locale settings are a bit unusual. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! Begin forwarded message: > From: David Reitter > Date: August 15, 2009 8:10:32 AM EDT > To: Bug-Gnu-Emacs > Subject: non-utf locale leads to errors in `decode-coding- > region' (dired) > > With > > export LANG=de_DE.ISO8859-15 > > on a Mac (NS port), and a directory that contains a folder named > "Tätää"(i.e. a German umlaut), viewing the directory with `dired' > fails with an error message. The trace is below. > > The bugs here are > 1. `decode-coding-region' signals an error (it is not documented to > do so) > 2. with this locale, "ls -la" will not output utf-8-nfd, even though > it seems that we expect this. > > > > > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument wholenump nil) > decode-coding-region(1 8177 utf-8-nfd) > insert-directory("/Users/dr/" "-al" nil t) > dired-insert-directory("/Users/dr/" "-al" nil nil t) > dired-readin-insert() > dired-readin() > dired-internal-noselect("~/" nil) > dired-noselect("~/") > run-hook-with-args-until-success(dired-noselect "~/") > find-file-noselect("~/" nil nil t) > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Carsten Dominik, org-mode's main author, kindly looked into this problem and finds: > In Aquamacs Distribution 2.0preview2, at least the following commands > fail to set the kill ring appropriately: > > (copy-region-as-kill beg end) > (kill-region beg end) > > After these commands, in normal Emacs operations, > > (current-kill 0) > > will return the content of the copied/killed region. Not so > in Aquamacs. This breaks Org-mode and presumably other > packages that will use these function calls. > > This used to work in earlier version of Aquamacs. Many thanks for any help with this. Warm regards, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE Sat Aug 15 13:59:51 2009 From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Sat Aug 15 14:02:39 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Return of dired mode problems like in Aquaemacs 1.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am 15.08.2009 um 14:12 schrieb David Reitter: >> With >> >> export LANG=de_DE.ISO8859-15 >> >> on a Mac (NS port), and a directory that contains a folder named >> "Tätää"(i.e. a German umlaut), viewing the directory with `dired' >> fails with an error message. Interestingly this works with the X client version! The problem it has, is with the date of a file: -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 15421 29 Nov 2004 EnvironmentVars.html -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 13601 16 M\344r 2005 Georgisch The other problem is with displaying a directory or file name with umlaut in mode-line: instead of using the composed character from the font its constituents are taken from various fonts and thrown together... Your problem in Emacs.app is easily reproduced by having a clean 7- bit directory with clean 7-bit files ? and at least one entry with a date that has an umlaut, for example: Mär! When LC_CTYPE and LANG are de_DE.UTF-8 then this month name does *not* produce an error: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 11 7 Mär 13:46 etc -> private/etc After any error has occurred, this fine presentation is destroyed and we're back at M\344r! When, in Emacs.app with LC_CTYPE and LANG set to de_DE.UTF-8, I visit from dired a directory with an umlaut I get: Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "File no longer exists; type `g' to update dired buffer") signal(error ("File no longer exists; type `g' to update dired buffer")) error("File no longer exists; type `g' to update dired buffer") dired-get-file-for-visit() dired-find-file() call-interactively(dired-find-file nil nil) When I try to open a file in that directory (completely clean in name and date) I get: Debugger entered--Lisp error: (file-error "Opening directory" "no such file or directory" "/Volumes/Halde/_gepr\x00fc\ ft/") signal(file-error ("Opening directory" "no such file or directory" "/Volumes/Halde/_gepr\x00fc\ ft/")) completion--some(#[(style) ......" [style completion-styles-alist string table pred point] 5] (basic partial-completion emacs22)) completion-try-completion("/Volumes/Halde/_gepr\x00fc\ ft/yum" read-file-name-internal nil 27) completion--do-completion() minibuffer-complete() call-interactively(minibuffer-complete nil nil) completing-read("Find file: " read-file-name-internal nil confirm- after-completion "~/" file-name-history "~/") read-file-name("Find file: " nil "~/" confirm-after-completion) find-file-read-args("Find file: " confirm-after-completion) byte-code("\300\301\302 \"\207" [find-file-read-args "Find file: " confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer] 3) call-interactively(find-file nil nil) In the X client variants of GNU Emacs 22.3 and 23.1.50 I have no such problems with this clean file in that dirty directory. There is also a difference in behaviour of *shell* buffers: in Emacs.app neither Apple's ls nor GNU ls can display the contents of this directory: pete 378 /\ /bin/ls -wl /Volumes/Halde/_geprüft ls: /Volumes/Halde/_geprüft: No such file or directory Exit 1 pete 379 /\ /sw/bin/gls -Nl --color=always /Volumes/Halde/_geprüft /sw/bin/gls: Zugriff auf /Volumes/Halde/_geprüft nicht möglich: No such file or directory Exit 2 In Terminal both work, it's only a bit strange how this directory is displayed: /Volumes/Halde/_gepru?^?ft... -- Mit friedvollen Grüßen Pete Theoretischer Unterbau, der: Aussage über einen Teil einer Fernsehansagerin From kendall.gelner at kigisoftware.com Sat Aug 15 13:54:16 2009 From: kendall.gelner at kigisoftware.com (Kendall Gelner) Date: Sat Aug 15 14:50:48 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Answer to magic-mode-alist question - using to trigger obj-c mode Message-ID: I asked a question a few weeks ago on this list on how to fix a magic- mode-alist entry that was meant to properly recognize Objective-C files. I didn't see an answer on the list, but I did get one from Stack Overflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1274986/how-to-get-emacs-magic-mode-alist-to-match-against-string-in-middle-of-file To summarize, the final answer is: (setq magic-mode-alist (append (list '("\\(.\\|\n\\)*\n@implementation" . objc-mode) '("\\(.\\|\n\\)*\n@interface" . objc-mode) '("\\(.\\|\n\\)*\n@protocol" . objc-mode)) magic-mode-alist)) This solution has the happy side effect of .h files that are really C .h files still come up in the right mode (which is why you'd want magic-mode in the first place). This I feel is a pretty robust fix - I included code in the regex to make sure each of those strings is at the beginning of a line, so random occurrences of "@implementation" or the other strings do not trigger the wrong mode. Is there any direction as to how I can propose this get included in the official Aquamacs release? If not, at least others on the list have the answer to a simple entry in .Emacs that will open Objective-C files in the right mode. ---> Kendall Gelner KiGi Software From david.reitter at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 15:14:14 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sat Aug 15 15:19:55 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Answer to magic-mode-alist question - using to trigger obj-c mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 15, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Kendall Gelner wrote: > > This I feel is a pretty robust fix - I included code in the regex to > make sure each of those strings is at the beginning of a line, so > random occurrences of "@implementation" or the other strings do not > trigger the wrong mode. Is there any direction as to how I can > propose this get included in the official Aquamacs release? This looks good to me. Thanks for figuring this out - I'll include it in Aquamacs. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090815/0e07e020/smime.bin From fin at finseth.com Sat Aug 15 16:18:34 2009 From: fin at finseth.com (Craig A. Finseth) Date: Sat Aug 15 16:18:46 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] looking for help in two areas In-Reply-To: (message from David Reitter on Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:29:45 +0200) References: <20090801142337.D9D7A76D16@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20090815201834.3D43A76D16@isis.visi.com> > from a version from several years ago. With this new version, C-Z > doesn't do anything, even though I have this in my .emacs file: > > (global-set-key "\C-z" 'scroll-down-by-lines) > > Anyone have any idea where this is being overridden? Use define-key with osx-key-mode-map. This was bound to `ignore' because people hit C-z all the time by mistake (on English keyboards). The change log file should contain the full syntax. Thanks! This did it. Craig From david.reitter at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 16:42:25 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sat Aug 15 16:42:40 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] looking for help in two areas In-Reply-To: <20090815203558.1073276D16@isis.visi.com> References: <20090801142337.D9D7A76D16@isis.visi.com> <20090815203558.1073276D16@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <64909F22-8B90-4C4B-97F2-574CD7B56045@gmail.com> On Aug 15, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Craig A. Finseth wrote: > > Tranisient mark mode is now active. I don't want it to be active > after the C-X C-X. CUA-Mode automatically enables and re-enables transient-mark-mode. C-x C-x will activate the region. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090815/f6818cfb/smime.bin From fin at finseth.com Sat Aug 15 16:35:58 2009 From: fin at finseth.com (Craig A. Finseth) Date: Sat Aug 15 16:58:48 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] looking for help in two areas In-Reply-To: (message from David Reitter on Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:29:45 +0200) References: <20090801142337.D9D7A76D16@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20090815203558.1073276D16@isis.visi.com> > First, if you copy or cut some text (C-W), move somewhere, yank it > (C-Y), the text remains selected. If you start typing, the text that > you just yanked is replaced. What is the mode setting that controls > this? It doesn't do that for me. In Help -> Diagnose there's a function that will let you start Aquamacs without customizations. I've done some more research. - Kill some text - Yank it - Do C-X C-X (exchange-point-and-mark) Tranisient mark mode is now active. I don't want it to be active after the C-X C-X. I've tried clearing it manually defining my own C-X C-X code: (defun my-exchange (arg) "Do exchange-point-and-mark and clear transient mark mode." (interactive "*p") (exchange-point-and-mark) (setq arg -1) (transient-mark-mode - 1) (deactivate-mark) (setq mark-active nil)) It stays active. Any ideas? Craig From fin at finseth.com Sat Aug 15 18:59:37 2009 From: fin at finseth.com (Craig A. Finseth) Date: Sat Aug 15 18:59:49 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] looking for help in two areas In-Reply-To: <64909F22-8B90-4C4B-97F2-574CD7B56045@gmail.com> (message from David Reitter on Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:42:25 -0400) References: <20090801142337.D9D7A76D16@isis.visi.com> <20090815203558.1073276D16@isis.visi.com> <64909F22-8B90-4C4B-97F2-574CD7B56045@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090815225937.6E43A76D16@isis.visi.com> On Aug 15, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Craig A. Finseth wrote: > > Tranisient mark mode is now active. I don't want it to be active > after the C-X C-X. CUA-Mode automatically enables and re-enables transient-mark-mode. C-x C-x will activate the region. Yes. How do I get it to not re-enable transient-mark-mode? Craig From david.reitter at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 19:00:45 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sat Aug 15 19:01:00 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] looking for help in two areas In-Reply-To: <20090815225937.6E43A76D16@isis.visi.com> References: <20090801142337.D9D7A76D16@isis.visi.com> <20090815203558.1073276D16@isis.visi.com> <64909F22-8B90-4C4B-97F2-574CD7B56045@gmail.com> <20090815225937.6E43A76D16@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: On Aug 15, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Craig A. Finseth wrote: > CUA-Mode automatically enables and re-enables transient-mark-mode. > > C-x C-x will activate the region. > > Yes. How do I get it to not re-enable transient-mark-mode? Don't know if it's configurable, you'll have to look yourself. Or turn off CUA mode altogether. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not so >> in Aquamacs. This breaks Org-mode and presumably other >> packages that will use these function calls. `current-kill' is documented to inspect `interprogram-paste-function' and essentially return its return value if set. There is no guarantee that copy-region-as-kill will set the interprogram copy/paste text (it depends on `interprogram-cut- function'), and indeed in Aquamacs 2.0preview2 it doesn't always do so. Thus, (current-kill 0) will do something that doesn't really make sense. That said, my argument is a little contrived, and interprogram-cut/ paste-function should really be coherent. I have changed that now in Aquamacs so that it shouldn't break org-mode any longer. Thanks for investigating this. - David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The problem it > has, is with the date of a file: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 15421 29 Nov 2004 > EnvironmentVars.html > -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 13601 16 M\344r 2005 Georgisch > > The other problem is with displaying a directory or file name with > umlaut in mode-line: instead of using the composed character from > the font its constituents are taken from various fonts and thrown > together... > > > Your problem in Emacs.app is easily reproduced by having a clean 7- > bit directory with clean 7-bit files ? and at least one entry with a > date that has an umlaut, for example: Mär! > > When LC_CTYPE and LANG are de_DE.UTF-8 then this month name does > *not* produce an error: > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 11 7 Mär 13:46 etc -> private/etc > > After any error has occurred, this fine presentation is destroyed > and we're back at M\344r! OK, so I can't reproduce this easily with Emacs.app, that is, with a vanilla build of Emacs 23.1 (or its CVS branch that is, NextStep port). I can reproduce it with Aquamacs 2.0-series. How do you reproduce? Where do you set these env vars, in Emacs with setenv, or in the login shell, or in the parent process that starts Emacs (e.g., Terminal/shell)? Thanks - David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090815/b118e9a1/smime.bin From uwe at piehome.de Sat Aug 15 20:22:29 2009 From: uwe at piehome.de (Uwe Pieczynski) Date: Sat Aug 15 20:23:21 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Return of dired mode problems like in Aquaemacs 1.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now I got it. Error is only in Aquaemacs 2.0p2. In Carbon Emacs (Emacs.app) and /usr/bin/emacs everything works fine. As a workaround I set in .emacs (Homedir) the following lines: [...] (setenv "LC_CTYPE" "de_DE.UTF-8") (setenv "LANG" "de_DE.UTF-8") [...] With this lines Aquaemacs 2.0p2 is fine too. Greetings, Uwe David Reitter schrieb: > On Aug 15, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote: >>>> export LANG=de_DE.ISO8859-15 >>>> >>>> on a Mac (NS port), and a directory that contains a folder named >>>> "Tätää"(i.e. a German umlaut), viewing the directory with `dired' >>>> fails with an error message. >> >> Interestingly this works with the X client version! The problem it >> has, is with the date of a file: >> >> -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 15421 29 Nov 2004 EnvironmentVars.html >> -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 13601 16 M\344r 2005 Georgisch >> >> The other problem is with displaying a directory or file name with >> umlaut in mode-line: instead of using the composed character from the >> font its constituents are taken from various fonts and thrown together... >> >> >> Your problem in Emacs.app is easily reproduced by having a clean 7-bit >> directory with clean 7-bit files ? and at least one entry with a date >> that has an umlaut, for example: Mär! >> >> When LC_CTYPE and LANG are de_DE.UTF-8 then this month name does *not* >> produce an error: >> >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 11 7 Mär 13:46 etc -> private/etc >> >> After any error has occurred, this fine presentation is destroyed and >> we're back at M\344r! > > OK, so I can't reproduce this easily with Emacs.app, that is, with a > vanilla build of Emacs 23.1 (or its CVS branch that is, NextStep port). > > I can reproduce it with Aquamacs 2.0-series. > > How do you reproduce? Where do you set these env vars, in Emacs with > setenv, or in the login shell, or in the parent process that starts > Emacs (e.g., Terminal/shell)? > > Thanks > - David > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx From uwe at piehome.de Sat Aug 15 20:27:23 2009 From: uwe at piehome.de (Uwe Pieczynski) Date: Sat Aug 15 20:30:24 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Return of dired mode problems like in Aquaemacs 1.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oops I forgot: Both lines are needed. Aquaemacs 1.8c works without that like Carbon Emacs too. Only Aquaemacs 2.0p2 needs this. Greetings, Uwe Uwe Pieczynski schrieb: > Now I got it. > Error is only in Aquaemacs 2.0p2. > > In Carbon Emacs (Emacs.app) and /usr/bin/emacs everything works fine. > As a workaround I set in .emacs (Homedir) the following lines: > [...] > (setenv "LC_CTYPE" "de_DE.UTF-8") > (setenv "LANG" "de_DE.UTF-8") > [...] > > With this lines Aquaemacs 2.0p2 is fine too. > > Greetings, Uwe > > David Reitter schrieb: >> On Aug 15, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote: >>>>> export LANG=de_DE.ISO8859-15 >>>>> >>>>> on a Mac (NS port), and a directory that contains a folder named >>>>> "Tätää"(i.e. a German umlaut), viewing the directory with `dired' >>>>> fails with an error message. >>> Interestingly this works with the X client version! The problem it >>> has, is with the date of a file: >>> >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 15421 29 Nov 2004 EnvironmentVars.html >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 13601 16 M\344r 2005 Georgisch >>> >>> The other problem is with displaying a directory or file name with >>> umlaut in mode-line: instead of using the composed character from the >>> font its constituents are taken from various fonts and thrown together... >>> >>> >>> Your problem in Emacs.app is easily reproduced by having a clean 7-bit >>> directory with clean 7-bit files ? and at least one entry with a date >>> that has an umlaut, for example: Mär! >>> >>> When LC_CTYPE and LANG are de_DE.UTF-8 then this month name does *not* >>> produce an error: >>> >>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 11 7 Mär 13:46 etc -> private/etc >>> >>> After any error has occurred, this fine presentation is destroyed and >>> we're back at M\344r! >> OK, so I can't reproduce this easily with Emacs.app, that is, with a >> vanilla build of Emacs 23.1 (or its CVS branch that is, NextStep port). >> >> I can reproduce it with Aquamacs 2.0-series. >> >> How do you reproduce? Where do you set these env vars, in Emacs with >> setenv, or in the login shell, or in the parent process that starts >> Emacs (e.g., Terminal/shell)? >> >> Thanks >> - David >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> MacOSX-Emacs mailing list >> MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu >> http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs >> List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx From david.reitter at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 20:57:58 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sat Aug 15 20:58:20 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Return of dired mode problems like in Aquaemacs 1.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 15, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Uwe Pieczynski wrote: > In Carbon Emacs (Emacs.app) and /usr/bin/emacs everything works fine. Carbon Emacs is based on the same Emacs 22 technology as Aquamacs 1.8 (and all Aquamacs pre-2.0). Aquamacs adds an extra layer of functionality on top of that. The Aquamacs 2.0-series that is in development is based on Cocoa and Emacs 23. Especially with respect to encoding conversion is is very different as it is based internally on Unicode. The bug you discovered has the same roots (your non-standard locale setting), but it is a different bug. I'd still like to know how to trigger the basic problem showing a directory in dired in Emacs 23.1 (and none of the older Emacs variants are relevant when it comes to fixing this bug). That would be VERY helpful now. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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BTW, the "-l " doesn't work, nothing gets loaded, and I have to toggle-debug-on-error... -- Mit friedvollen Grüßen Pete Theory and practice are the same, in theory, but, in practice, they are different. From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE Sat Aug 15 22:42:23 2009 From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Sat Aug 15 22:42:39 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Return of dired mode problems like in Aquaemacs 1.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D169447-6C30-44B5-96CE-C5E58A7FF125@Web.DE> Am 16.08.2009 um 02:57 schrieb David Reitter: > I'd still like to know how to trigger the basic problem showing a =20 > directory in dired in Emacs 23.1 (and none of the older Emacs =20 > variants are relevant when it comes to fixing this bug). That =20 > would be VERY helpful now. With the 8-bit ISO Latin locales Emacs.app receives in dired from (g)=20 ls obviously 8-bit data in the case of the date's M=E4r string. The X =20= client just switches to octal representation (why?*1*) while Cocoa =20 has no such fall-back, so it fails completely, and maybe emits an =20 extra error code which the Emacs core does not expect. The X client's *shell* buffer is switched to ISO Latin, so the output =20= of (g)ls is displayed correctly as umlaut. In dired again 8-bit data =20 is received from (g)ls, easily handled, but terribly displayed =20 because formatted by internal (butcher's) machinery. It's easy to =20 follow into d=EFr=E4=E7t=F6r=FF. (GNU Emacsen 22.x have a big problem: = =20 character: (332488, #o1211310, #x512c8, U+0308) is the =FC in a file =20= name. In Carbon and Aquamacs Emacs based 22.x source the problem is =20 solved by using the UTF-8m file-name-encoding. GNU Emacsen 22.x have =20 no problem to find a file or to traverse into a "d=EFr=E4=E7t=F6r=FF." = Well, it =20 just does not look so good with OPEN BOX characters in the path or =20 file name.) In the UTF-8 environment (g)ls obviously emits valid UTF. In case of =20 the file name the underlying Apple file system (HFS and UFS) returns =20 only de-composed characters. So (g)ls should learn to compose when =20 GNU Emacs can't. This would solve the problem with dired and *shell* =20 etc., but not with C-x C-f, i.e., dired-x-find-file. Obviously it =20 works to enter: C-x C-f /path/to/d=EFr=E4=E7t=F6r=FF/file, but this file = is =20 from nirvana, not from /path/to/d=EFr=E4=E7t=F6r=FF ("Use M-x = make-directory =20 RET RET to create the directory and its parents") and it does not =20 work at all with file name completion. Can it be that a "composed" =20 character gets de-composed before "something" does file name =20 completion? The tcsh I use in Terminal has a very special =20 presentation of "d=EFr=E4=E7t=F6r=FF", and I cannot invoke: ls -lw /path/to/ RET *1* The =E4 in the M=E4r month date is described as character: \344 (4194276, #o17777744, #x3fffe4) preferred charset: eight-bit (Raw bytes 128-255) code point: 0xE4 syntax: w which means: word buffer code: #xE4 file code: not encodable by coding system = iso-latin-9-unix display: no font available which certainly is wrong in respect to the ISO Latin encoding in the =20 dired buffer, because LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS is 344 =3D =20 228 =3D E4 =3D U+00E4. It's a valid data, nothing raw. Maybe here is the = =20 cause for one failure. It's correct in *shell*, and therefore I sent =20 a bug report: http://emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?=20= bug=3D4157. In an UTF-8 environment the "=E4" in the date field are in *shell* and =20= in dired both: character: =E4 (228, #o344, #xe4) preferred charset: iso-8859-1 (Latin-1 (ISO/IEC 8859-1)) code point: 0xE4 syntax: w which means: word category: .:Base, j:Japanese, l:Latin buffer code: #xC3 #xA4 file code: #xC3 #xA4 (encoded by coding system = utf-8-unix) display: by this font (glyph code) = x:-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-10-100-75-75-m-60-=20 iso10646-1 (#xE4) just as in 22.x *shell*. In the file name it's both times: character: a (97, #o141, #x61) preferred charset: ascii (ASCII (ISO646 IRV)) code point: 0x61 syntax: w which means: word category: .:Base, a:ASCII, l:Latin, r:Roman buffer code: #x61 file code: #x61 (encoded by coding system utf-8-unix) display: composed to form "=E4" (see below) =09 Composed with the following character(s) "" using this font: = x:-mutt-clearlyu-medium-r-normal--17-120-100-100-p-123-iso10646-1 by these glyphs: [0 1 97 97 7 1 7 7 0 nil] [0 1 776 776 0 0 5 14 -12 [-5 3 0]] telling also that the =A8 character was missed. -- Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen Pete (: _ / __ - - _/ \__/_/ - - (=B4`) (=B4`) - - `=B4 `=B4 From vollmar at nf.mpg.de Sun Aug 16 06:14:26 2009 From: vollmar at nf.mpg.de (Stefan Vollmar) Date: Sun Aug 16 06:14:41 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] wrong glyphs in Show-Newlines mode Message-ID: <7E5CA431-5E48-4926-8499-B939DE7966D6@nf.mpg.de> Hello, in Aquamacs 2.0preview2, when enabling the menu entry Options:View:Show Newlines the message "Global-Show-Newlines mode enabled" appears and all newlines are marked with a grey rectangle. I observed this with several fonts. This might be related to a posting on the help-gnu-emacs list of August 12: Xah Lee : >> in my emacs 23 both on Windows and Mac, the white space shows as $, >> not ¶, when in whitespace-mode or whitespace-newline-mode. > >> How to make it show line breaks using ¶ ? On Aug 12, 5:44 am, CHENG Gao wrote: > Through reading whitespace-mode source, I found this works: > > ,---- > | (setq whitespace-display-mappings '( > | (newline-mark 10 > | [182 10]))) Unfortunately, Xah Lee's recipe does not work for me. Many thanks for any help with this. Warm regards, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de From david.reitter at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 09:12:25 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sun Aug 16 09:12:44 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] wrong glyphs in Show-Newlines mode In-Reply-To: <7E5CA431-5E48-4926-8499-B939DE7966D6@nf.mpg.de> References: <7E5CA431-5E48-4926-8499-B939DE7966D6@nf.mpg.de> Message-ID: On Aug 16, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Stefan Vollmar wrote: > in Aquamacs 2.0preview2, when enabling the menu entry > Options:View:Show Newlines the message "Global-Show-Newlines mode > enabled" appears and all newlines are marked with a grey rectangle. > I observed this with several fonts. Thanks, fixed. This lets you set your own symbol: (setq show-newlines-newline-code (vector (make-glyph-code ?\x00B6 'blank-newline) 10)) - David -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090816/f716d966/smime.bin From vollmar at nf.mpg.de Sun Aug 16 10:10:55 2009 From: vollmar at nf.mpg.de (Stefan Vollmar) Date: Sun Aug 16 10:11:09 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] find-file force frame selection? References: <396BD9AE-4CA8-459D-BB6C-E8171E31B47D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Aquamacs team, > From: David Reitter > Date: 29. Januar 2009 03:05:29 MEZ > To: Emacs on Mac OS X Mailing List > Subject: Re: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 1.6: find-file force frame > selection? > Reply-To: Emacs on Mac OS X Mailing List > > > On 28-Jan-09, at 2:49 PM, Stefan Vollmar wrote: > >> I observed the following behaviour in the current Aquamacs release >> (1.6): on my large screen I like to have two or more frames next to >> each other. Each of them usually has a number of tabs. Consider two >> frames ("left" and "right"). If I active frame "left" and do a find- >> file, I expect the resulting buffer to be displayed in frame >> "left", vice versa for a find-file in frame "right". However, if >> the file I select happens to have an associated tab in the other >> frame, Aquamacs will activate the "wrong" frame and bring the >> corresponding tab to the front. This is not necessarily a bug but >> different from what I expect - I would > > On 28 Jan 2009, at 19:05, HERBERT KORTE wrote: > >> I have observed the same behaviour. > > It's indeed not a bug, it's a feature. > > Herbert, are you implying that you'd also like a switch for this? > > If some people are opposed to this behavior, one could easily add a > customization variable. This could also affect "switch-to-buffer" > behavior (e.g., Window menu). For "switch-to-buffer", we already > have a special "switch-to-buffer-here". The current Aquamacs 2.0pr2 behaves like Aquamacs 1.6 in this respect. It seems there is at least one other user (Herbert Korté) who would appreciate an "aquamacs-find-file-here" function. As mentioned before, it is not a bug but making this a user-defined preference would surely be in the very best Aquamacs tradition (and this is meant as a serious compliment). Warm regards, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de From vollmar at nf.mpg.de Sun Aug 16 10:12:33 2009 From: vollmar at nf.mpg.de (Stefan Vollmar) Date: Sun Aug 16 10:12:47 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] wrong glyphs in Show-Newlines mode In-Reply-To: References: <7E5CA431-5E48-4926-8499-B939DE7966D6@nf.mpg.de> Message-ID: <06AD81D5-38AF-4D6F-8E99-9A228995416A@nf.mpg.de> Dear David, On 16.08.2009, at 15:12, David Reitter wrote: > On Aug 16, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Stefan Vollmar wrote: > >> in Aquamacs 2.0preview2, when enabling the menu entry >> Options:View:Show Newlines the message "Global-Show-Newlines mode >> enabled" appears and all newlines are marked with a grey rectangle. >> I observed this with several fonts. > > Thanks, fixed. This lets you set your own symbol: > > (setq show-newlines-newline-code > (vector (make-glyph-code ?\x00B6 'blank-newline) 10)) works beautifully, thanks! Warm regards, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de From david.reitter at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 13:18:40 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Mon Aug 17 13:19:00 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] find-file force frame selection? In-Reply-To: References: <396BD9AE-4CA8-459D-BB6C-E8171E31B47D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <249D8106-1B90-432F-A5A5-8FB182CE10D7@gmail.com> On Aug 16, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Stefan Vollmar wrote: >> On 28-Jan-09, at 2:49 PM, Stefan Vollmar wrote: >> >>> I observed the following behaviour in the current Aquamacs release >>> (1.6): on my large screen I like to have two or more frames next >>> to each other. Each of them usually has a number of tabs. Consider >>> two frames ("left" and "right"). If I active frame "left" and do a >>> find-file, I expect the resulting buffer to be displayed in frame >>> "left", vice versa for a find-file in frame "right". However, if >>> the file I select happens to have an associated tab in the other >>> frame, Aquamacs will activate the "wrong" frame and bring the >>> corresponding tab to the front. This is not necessarily a bug but >>> different from what I expect - I would >> me: >> Herbert, are you implying that you'd also like a switch for this? >> >> If some people are opposed to this behavior, one could easily add a >> customization variable. This could also affect "switch-to-buffer" >> behavior (e.g., Window menu). For "switch-to-buffer", we already >> have a special "switch-to-buffer-here". Stefan: > The current Aquamacs 2.0pr2 behaves like Aquamacs 1.6 in this > respect. It seems there is at least one other user (Herbert Korté) > who would appreciate an "aquamacs-find-file-here" function. As > mentioned before, it is not a bug but making this a user-defined > preference would surely be in the very best Aquamacs tradition (and > this is meant as a serious compliment). Okay. If someone can produce a patch including the new function, binding, or a customization variable (maybe better), it can be applied. I'm busy fixing bugs... -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090817/9c26e90b/smime.bin From hindiogine at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 19:26:42 2009 From: hindiogine at gmail.com (Salvatore Enrico Indiogine) Date: Mon Aug 17 19:27:03 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs + BBDB or EDB In-Reply-To: References: <62622fe70908061554p753cc873m77bbb8e940b577ad@mail.gmail.com> <19067.33114.316022.757275@knecht.local> <62622fe70908061857j3f66306cg8fd843fc5a062872@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <62622fe70908171626m3a1ba3b4wa2adb3fd47fd506a@mail.gmail.com> Howdy! 2009/8/6 Jean-Christophe Helary : > I just tried building it and it worked. So I suppose iit really depends on > your system. Give that a try ! I just finished installing BBDB on Aquamacs 2.0 nightly. All seems to work except that I do not get the info file to work. I am not sure where to copy bbdb.info I copied it in several places, /usr/local/info, /usr/local/share/info but it is not found by Aquamacs. Any idea? Thanks, Enrico -- Enrico Indiogine Mathematics Education Texas A&M University Email: hindiogine@gmail.com Skype: hindiogine Website: http://www.coe.tamu.edu/~enrico "Rien ne va de soi. Rien n'est donné. Tous est construit." Gaston Bachelard, 1934 From david.reitter at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 21:08:40 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Mon Aug 17 21:09:05 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs + BBDB or EDB In-Reply-To: <62622fe70908171626m3a1ba3b4wa2adb3fd47fd506a@mail.gmail.com> References: <62622fe70908061554p753cc873m77bbb8e940b577ad@mail.gmail.com> <19067.33114.316022.757275@knecht.local> <62622fe70908061857j3f66306cg8fd843fc5a062872@mail.gmail.com> <62622fe70908171626m3a1ba3b4wa2adb3fd47fd506a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7AAEBC8D-FAD8-4ADB-9423-753CC58A49D3@gmail.com> On Aug 17, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Salvatore Enrico Indiogine wrote: > Howdy! > Texas A&M University Doody! > I just finished installing BBDB on Aquamacs 2.0 nightly. All seems > to work except that I do not get the info file to work. I am not > sure where to copy bbdb.info > > I copied it in several places, /usr/local/info, /usr/local/share/info > but it is not found by Aquamacs. It goes inside the top-level subdirectory of the plugin or package you're installing. For example, SLIME's info directory is /Library/Application Support/Aquamacs Emacs/SLIME/info This should work for user-local (~/Library) directories as well. Don't install Aquamacs stuff into the original BSD hierarchy. Hope that helps. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Usually invoked from a Makefile.) -- Greetings Pete When confronted with actual numbers, a mathematician is at a loss. ? Steffen Hokland From saptarshi.guha at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 10:19:28 2009 From: saptarshi.guha at gmail.com (Saptarshi Guha) Date: Tue Aug 18 10:41:18 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: New Aquamacs Icon ... In-Reply-To: <1e7471d50908180717h3a1a050j695ec0d8fd4026f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e7471d50908180717h3a1a050j695ec0d8fd4026f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e7471d50908180719j2ea69a07i8db6695f6eacb8e@mail.gmail.com> Correction: that should be gnu in place of yak. Sorry about that. Regards Saptarshi On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Saptarshi Guha wrote: > Hello, > I just downloaded Aquamacs2.preview2 and was quite taken aback by the icon. > It appears either like a) a decapitated yak head in a pool of blue > blood or b) a drowning yak with a questioning look. > > I don't mean to criticize the logo; this is how I perceived it. > > Q: Is this the final logo for all current and future versions of Aquamacs? > > Much thanks for a great piece of software. > Kind Regards > Saptarshi > From saptarshi.guha at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 10:17:14 2009 From: saptarshi.guha at gmail.com (Saptarshi Guha) Date: Tue Aug 18 10:42:55 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] New Aquamacs Icon ... Message-ID: <1e7471d50908180717h3a1a050j695ec0d8fd4026f2@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I just downloaded Aquamacs2.preview2 and was quite taken aback by the icon. It appears either like a) a decapitated yak head in a pool of blue blood or b) a drowning yak with a questioning look. I don't mean to criticize the logo; this is how I perceived it. Q: Is this the final logo for all current and future versions of Aquamacs? Much thanks for a great piece of software. Kind Regards Saptarshi From david.reitter at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 10:51:06 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Tue Aug 18 10:51:31 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] New Aquamacs Icon ... In-Reply-To: <1e7471d50908180717h3a1a050j695ec0d8fd4026f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e7471d50908180717h3a1a050j695ec0d8fd4026f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5E3808E0-894E-44B8-AF31-C0BBCFF2B365@gmail.com> Saptarshi, thanks for your feedback. On Aug 18, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Saptarshi Guha wrote: > Q: Is this the final logo for all current and future versions of > Aquamacs? It is absolutely meant to be improved upon; though if there are no concrete suggestions or concrete drafts, it will become final. I can make the SVG available (it is in the Git repository in etc/ images/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps if I'm not mistaken), or I can forward concrete suggestions to Jessica, the designer of the icon, so that she can make any changes we want. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090818/5c002141/smime.bin From saptarshi.guha at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 11:19:19 2009 From: saptarshi.guha at gmail.com (Saptarshi Guha) Date: Tue Aug 18 11:20:00 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] New Aquamacs Icon ... In-Reply-To: <5E3808E0-894E-44B8-AF31-C0BBCFF2B365@gmail.com> References: <1e7471d50908180717h3a1a050j695ec0d8fd4026f2@mail.gmail.com> <5E3808E0-894E-44B8-AF31-C0BBCFF2B365@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e7471d50908180819x17793128pe6607290f1d49f81@mail.gmail.com> Thank you for the response. I can't draw for the life of me (even my doodling is sub average) so I don't wish to complain but not offer suggestions. One suggestion is if the head of the yak can be turned more towards the viewer, ie. about 15 degrees clockwise. I think the projection is a bit skew. More importantly, this my personal interpretation; if no one else feels the same I suppose I can with live it. Thanks again for making this a community effort. Regards Saptarshi On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:51 AM, David Reitter wrote: > Saptarshi, > > thanks for your feedback. > > On Aug 18, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Saptarshi Guha wrote: > >> Q: Is this the final logo for all current and future versions of Aquamacs? > > > It is absolutely meant to be improved upon; though if there are no concrete > suggestions or concrete drafts, it will become final. > > I can make the SVG available (it is in the Git repository  in > etc/images/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps  if I'm not mistaken), > or I can forward concrete suggestions to Jessica, the designer of the icon, > so that she can make any changes we want. > > -- > http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X > http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and > support the Aquamacs Project! > > > From siemsen at ucar.edu Tue Aug 18 11:50:41 2009 From: siemsen at ucar.edu (Pete Siemsen) Date: Tue Aug 18 11:51:01 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] how to undefine a Command-key Message-ID: I don't like that in Aquamacs, Command-H is bound to ns-do-hide- emacs. I sometimes hit Command-H by accident, so I'd like it to do nothing. I tried putting this in my startup file, to no effect. (define-key osx-key-mode-map (kbd "A-h") nil) What's the right syntax? -- Pete From ajs at shinkuro.com Tue Aug 18 11:41:40 2009 From: ajs at shinkuro.com (Andrew Sullivan) Date: Tue Aug 18 11:58:25 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] New Aquamacs Icon ... In-Reply-To: <5E3808E0-894E-44B8-AF31-C0BBCFF2B365@gmail.com> References: <1e7471d50908180717h3a1a050j695ec0d8fd4026f2@mail.gmail.com> <5E3808E0-894E-44B8-AF31-C0BBCFF2B365@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090818154140.GE3163@shinkuro.com> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:51:06AM -0400, David Reitter wrote: > It is absolutely meant to be improved upon; though if there are no > concrete suggestions or concrete drafts, it will become final. I missed this in the first discussion: why is the icon being changed at all? A pointer to the start of the messages is enough. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. From vollmar at nf.mpg.de Tue Aug 18 15:05:48 2009 From: vollmar at nf.mpg.de (Stefan Vollmar) Date: Tue Aug 18 15:06:15 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] New Aquamacs Icon ... In-Reply-To: <1e7471d50908180717h3a1a050j695ec0d8fd4026f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e7471d50908180717h3a1a050j695ec0d8fd4026f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <78AD97AC-C6FA-4069-9CA7-326E26AD7C3F@nf.mpg.de> Dear Saptarshi, On 18.08.2009, at 16:17, Saptarshi Guha wrote: > I just downloaded Aquamacs2.preview2 and was quite taken aback by > the icon. > It appears either like a) a decapitated yak head in a pool of blue > blood or b) a drowning yak with a questioning look. > > I don't mean to criticize the logo; this is how I perceived it. This is, apparently, quite different from the way I perceive it: the concept works beautifully for me, I think it is very tastefully done, with excellent craftmanship, the facial expression (attentive standby to assist with the next editing job, possibly with a little reminder that this animal is used to high standards), it looks as powerful as the beast on http://savannah.gnu.org but in a more polished way, and with a more friendly colour scheme. I like it. Warm regards, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de From saptarshi.guha at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 15:32:21 2009 From: saptarshi.guha at gmail.com (Saptarshi Guha) Date: Tue Aug 18 15:33:00 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] New Aquamacs Icon ... In-Reply-To: <78AD97AC-C6FA-4069-9CA7-326E26AD7C3F@nf.mpg.de> References: <1e7471d50908180717h3a1a050j695ec0d8fd4026f2@mail.gmail.com> <78AD97AC-C6FA-4069-9CA7-326E26AD7C3F@nf.mpg.de> Message-ID: <1e7471d50908181232q2d628ad0teb03b9e5718cc0ca@mail.gmail.com> Hello, It is nice to see very different views( as I had expected). Also, after reading my own email, I would like to mention that my reaction does not deny the effort,skill and attention to detail that went into the design of the logo. I hope no one gets offended. Kind regards Saptarshi On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Stefan Vollmar wrote: > Dear Saptarshi, > > On 18.08.2009, at 16:17, Saptarshi Guha wrote: > >> I just downloaded Aquamacs2.preview2 and was quite taken aback by the >> icon. >> It appears either like a) a decapitated yak head in a pool of blue >> blood or b) a drowning yak with a questioning look. >> >> I don't mean to criticize the logo; this is how I perceived it. > > This is, apparently, quite different from the way I perceive it: the concept > works beautifully for me, I think it is very tastefully done, with excellent > craftmanship, the facial expression (attentive standby to assist with the > next editing job, possibly with a little reminder that this animal is used > to high standards), it looks as powerful as the beast on > http://savannah.gnu.org but in a more polished way, and with a more friendly > colour scheme. > > I like it. > > Warm regards, >  Stefan > -- > Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. > Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung > Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany > Tel.: +49-221-4726-213  FAX +49-221-4726-298 > Tel.: +49-221-478-5713  Mobile: 0160-93874279 > Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de   http://www.nf.mpg.de > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx > From kendall.gelner at kigisoftware.com Tue Aug 18 15:23:38 2009 From: kendall.gelner at kigisoftware.com (Kendall Gelner) Date: Tue Aug 18 16:26:40 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] On the icon and a potential Snow Leopard bug with fullscreen Message-ID: <924A5F6F-DA28-44A2-8A46-B62BFB02CB68@kigisoftware.com> Just from looking at it in the dock, I can think of two suggestions to pass along as far as the icon goes: 1) I agree the blue pool is a bit odd, I'd just get rid of that part. As a smaller icon in the dock it doesn't come across very well. 2) The horns blend in a lot to the background, it would be nice to have more of a halo around them to separate them from the black. I like the basic icon though, I even like the facing... The other thing I wanted to report was that with preview 2, the full- screen mode doesn't seem to work with Snow Leopard (latest beta). When I press Shift-Cmd-Return, the whole screen goes black but I see no text - it returns to normal if I repeat the key combo. While it is black, typing does affect the buffer. ---> Kendall Gelner KiGi Software From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 17:14:34 2009 From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham) Date: Tue Aug 18 17:37:46 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] New Aquamacs Icon ... In-Reply-To: <1e7471d50908181232q2d628ad0teb03b9e5718cc0ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e7471d50908180717h3a1a050j695ec0d8fd4026f2@mail.gmail.com> <78AD97AC-C6FA-4069-9CA7-326E26AD7C3F@nf.mpg.de> <1e7471d50908181232q2d628ad0teb03b9e5718cc0ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20ecf6c70908181414udf6800bu83b68747a47aad64@mail.gmail.com> I'm pretty keen on the water in the new icon -- visually puts the aqua in Aquamacs. --Nathaniel On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Saptarshi Guha wrote: > Hello, > It is nice to see very different views( as I had expected). > Also, after reading my own email, I would like to mention that my > reaction does not deny the effort,skill and attention to detail that > went into the design of the logo. > > I hope no one gets offended. > > Kind regards > Saptarshi > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Stefan Vollmar wrote: > > Dear Saptarshi, > > > > On 18.08.2009, at 16:17, Saptarshi Guha wrote: > > > >> I just downloaded Aquamacs2.preview2 and was quite taken aback by the > >> icon. > >> It appears either like a) a decapitated yak head in a pool of blue > >> blood or b) a drowning yak with a questioning look. > >> > >> I don't mean to criticize the logo; this is how I perceived it. > > > > This is, apparently, quite different from the way I perceive it: the > concept > > works beautifully for me, I think it is very tastefully done, with > excellent > > craftmanship, the facial expression (attentive standby to assist with the > > next editing job, possibly with a little reminder that this animal is > used > > to high standards), it looks as powerful as the beast on > > http://savannah.gnu.org but in a more polished way, and with a more > friendly > > colour scheme. > > > > I like it. > > > > Warm regards, > > Stefan > > -- > > Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. > > Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung > > Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany > > Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 > > Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 > > Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > MacOSX-Emacs mailing list > MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu > http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs > List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. --Dale cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sv . gnu.org:/sources/emacs co emacs cd emacs ./configure --with-ns make bootstrap make make install sudo cp -r nextstep/Emacs.app /Applications/Emacs.app -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090829/c8927ef1/attachment.html From artemiogl at telefonica.net Sat Aug 29 12:21:47 2009 From: artemiogl at telefonica.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Artemio_Gonz=E1lez_L=F3pez?=) Date: Sat Aug 29 12:49:02 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] emacs and Snow Leopard woes Message-ID: Since upgrading to Snow Leopard, I've had quite a few problems with emacs. Here are the most important ones: 1) I was using /usr/bin/emacs plus an /Applications/Emacs.app wrapper as my emacs of choice, with no problem at all. However, the emacs shipped with Snow Leopard, while still 22.1, apparently has NOT been compiled by Apple with carbon support, because when launched with the Emacs.app wrapper it quits with the following message: emacs: input not from ttty (I'm quoting from memory). 2) I installed Snow Leopard's Developer Tools, and tried to build emacs 22.3 with carbon support, which I had done without problems in Leopard. Now, after the usual "./configure --enable-carbon-app", make fails with the following error message: mac.c: In function 'path_from_vol_dir_name': mac.c:2999: error: 'CInfoPBRec' undeclared (first use in this function) mac.c:2999: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once mac.c:2999: error: for each function it appears in.) mac.c:2999: error: expected ';' before 'cipb' mac.c:3002: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'strlen' differ in signedness mac.c:3009: error: 'cipb' undeclared (first use in this function) mac.c:3024: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'strlen' differ in signedness mac.c:3027: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of '__builtin___strcat_chk' differ in signedness mac.c:3027: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of '__inline_strcat_chk' differ in signedness mac.c:3028: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of '__builtin___strcat_chk' differ in signedness mac.c:3028: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of '__inline_strcat_chk' differ in signedness mac.c:3030: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 2 of '__builtin___strcpy_chk' differ in signedness mac.c:3030: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 2 of '__inline_strcpy_chk' differ in signedness mac.c: In function 'get_temp_dir_name': mac.c:3338: warning: passing argument 5 of 'FindFolder' from incompatible pointer type mac.c:3342: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'path_from_vol_dir_name' differ in signedness mac.c:3345: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'strlen' differ in signedness mac.c:3346: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of '__builtin___strcat_chk' differ in signedness mac.c:3346: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of '__inline_strcat_chk' differ in signedness mac.c:3350: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'mac_to_posix_pathname' differ in signedness mac.c: In function 'Fmac_file_name_to_posix': mac.c:4462: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'mac_to_posix_pathname' differ in signedness mac.c: In function 'Fposix_file_name_to_mac': mac.c:4479: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'posix_to_mac_pathname' differ in signedness mac.c: In function 'mac_get_system_locale': mac.c:4905: error: 'smScriptLang' undeclared (first use in this function) mac.c:4906: warning: 'GetScriptManagerVariable' is deprecated (declared at /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/ Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/Script.h:993) mac.c:4910: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 4 of 'LocaleRefGetPartString' differ in signedness mac.c:4912: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'build_string' differ in signedness mac.c: In function 'init_mac_osx_environment': mac.c:5282: warning: 'GetScriptManagerVariable' is deprecated (declared at /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/ Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/Script.h:993) mac.c: In function 'syms_of_mac': mac.c:5472: warning: 'GetScriptManagerVariable' is deprecated (declared at /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/ Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/Script.h:993) make[1]: *** [mac.o] Error 1 make: *** [src] Error 2 My question is: has anybody compiled from source emacs with carbon (or Cocoa) support under Snow Leoprad, and if so, how did you do it? Cheers, Artemio From david.reitter at gmail.com Sat Aug 29 12:54:29 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sat Aug 29 12:55:05 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] emacs and Snow Leopard woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51F9A98B-8C93-45A2-AA85-59AD06D91565@gmail.com> On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Artemio González López wrote: > 1) I was using /usr/bin/emacs plus an /Applications/Emacs.app > wrapper as my emacs of choice You've chosen to use a hack. Hacks tend to break. > 2) I installed Snow Leopard's Developer Tools, and tried to build > emacs 22.3 with carbon support, which I had done without problems in > Leopard. Now, after the usual "./configure --enable-carbon-app", > make fails with the following error message: Even if you fix the source so you can compile your initial "temacs" on 10.6, Emacs will fail to dump or the dumped binary will crash. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090829/6dd261ba/smime.bin From artemiogl at telefonica.net Sat Aug 29 16:28:24 2009 From: artemiogl at telefonica.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Artemio_Gonz=E1lez_L=F3pez?=) Date: Sat Aug 29 16:28:57 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: emacs and Snow Leopard woes In-Reply-To: <20090829190005.0A34490FC8C@email> References: <20090829190005.0A34490FC8C@email> Message-ID: On Aug 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, wrote: > On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Artemio González López wrote: > >> 1) I was using /usr/bin/emacs plus an /Applications/Emacs.app >> wrapper as my emacs of choice > > You've chosen to use a hack. Hacks tend to break. Well, I don't think it's much of a hack to assume that Apple (of all people) would compile Emacs with some kind of Carbon or Cocoa support, particularly since they didn't even bother to upgrade it from 22.1. Anyway, point taken. > >> 2) I installed Snow Leopard's Developer Tools, and tried to build >> emacs 22.3 with carbon support, which I had done without problems in >> Leopard. Now, after the usual "./configure --enable-carbon-app", >> make fails with the following error message: > > Even if you fix the source so you can compile your initial "temacs" on > 10.6, Emacs will fail to dump or the dumped binary will crash. Do you know if there's a way to compile other versions of emacs (23.1 with Cocoa libraries, or even the old 22.1 source in the Darwin 10 opensource distribution) using the Snow Leopard Developer tools? Thanks for your help, Artemio From david.reitter at gmail.com Sat Aug 29 18:06:47 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Sat Aug 29 18:07:26 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: emacs and Snow Leopard woes In-Reply-To: References: <20090829190005.0A34490FC8C@email> Message-ID: <01BD3CDE-ECAB-4BCC-B08E-FE8AB49F7302@gmail.com> On Aug 29, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Artemio González López wrote: >> Even if you fix the source so you can compile your initial "temacs" >> on >> 10.6, Emacs will fail to dump or the dumped binary will crash. > > > Do you know if there's a way to compile other versions of emacs > (23.1 with Cocoa libraries, or even the old 22.1 source in the > Darwin 10 opensource distribution) using the Snow Leopard Developer > tools? None of that. (I've been trying to fix this on and off for 2+ months.) I recommend using a binary distro such as Aquamacs, or, if you want it less adapted to the Mac, Carbon Emacs or a binary obtained elsewhere (porkrind.org ?) Given latest developments, I think we'll have the problem fixed in a few days. -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090829/3801bcca/smime.bin From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE Sat Aug 29 18:15:11 2009 From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Sat Aug 29 18:15:48 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Good GNU Emacs 23.1.50 news Message-ID: Hello! Since a week or two the file lisp/international/ucs-normalize.el by Taichi Kawabata exists. It helps to cure the problem with the decomposed characters in UTF-8 file names in Mac OS X (both in HFS+ and UFS, maybe also in the other Unicode aware file systems Mac OS X supports). To use it: (require 'ucs-normalize) (setq file-name-coding-system 'utf-8-hfs) (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8-hfs) The latter is needed that in *shell* the output of ls or gls is also converted to precomposed characters. In the mode-line such file names are correctly displayed, and also in *Buffer List*. Process output (grep for example) will also show the precomposed characters. Font face makes no difference. But the best is: you can now isearch for the precomposed characters in file names the way to type them on your keyboard! -- Greetings Pete Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so. From marc.shapiro at acm.org Sun Aug 30 16:56:20 2009 From: marc.shapiro at acm.org (Marc Shapiro -- at work) Date: Sun Aug 30 17:33:59 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: lisp/international/ucs-normalize.el In-Reply-To: <20090830190003.5696891BFAB@email> References: <20090830190003.5696891BFAB@email> Message-ID: <707CE570-9235-4959-AE73-8DF7FB66A586@acm.org> > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:15:11 +0200 > From: Peter Dyballa > Subject: [OS X Emacs] Good GNU Emacs 23.1.50 news > > Since a week or two the file lisp/international/ucs-normalize.el by > Taichi Kawabata exists. It helps to cure the problem with the > decomposed characters in UTF-8 file names in Mac OS X Where can I find this file? Thanks, Marc From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE Sun Aug 30 17:50:26 2009 From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa) Date: Sun Aug 30 17:51:09 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: lisp/international/ucs-normalize.el In-Reply-To: <707CE570-9235-4959-AE73-8DF7FB66A586@acm.org> References: <20090830190003.5696891BFAB@email> <707CE570-9235-4959-AE73-8DF7FB66A586@acm.org> Message-ID: Am 30.08.2009 um 22:56 schrieb Marc Shapiro -- at work: > Where can I find this file? /lisp/international. -- Greetings Pete To most people solutions mean finding the answers. But to chemists solutions are things that are still all mixed up. From cmenzel at tamu.edu Sun Aug 30 17:42:52 2009 From: cmenzel at tamu.edu (Christopher Menzel) Date: Sun Aug 30 18:12:09 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs+Skim inverse search Message-ID: Hello, I'm trying out preview 2 of Aquamacs 2.0 under Snow Leopard; all seems well for the most part but there are a couple of small difference in functionality I've noticed compared to Aquamacs 1.8 with regard to inverse search. To get inverse search to work in Skim under Aquamacs. 2.0 I have used a Custom preset that points to the copy of emacsclient that lives in the Aquamacs 2.0 hierarchy. (I've renamed the app to Aquamacs-2.0p2 so I can keep using 1.8.) This appears to work. However, if I have a split window in Aquamacs and do an inverse search (i.e., Cmd-Shift-) in my Skim preview window, it sends the cursor in *both* panes of the split Aquamacs window to the corresponding point in my source. Under 1.8, doing so only sends the cursor in the pane that was most recently active to the corresponding point. Second, doing an inverse search under the 2.0 preview no longer makes Aquamacs the foreground application. One has to click or use Cmd- to make it so. Both of these, IMO, are inferior to the way inverse search functions under 1.8 and I hope the 1.8 functionality can be restored. Chris Menzel From joseph.slater at wright.edu Sun Aug 30 19:43:26 2009 From: joseph.slater at wright.edu (Joseph C. Slater PE, PhD) Date: Sun Aug 30 19:44:09 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs+Skim inverse search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C32DF25-6BAF-454B-96F1-55EDDD5CCD55@wright.edu> On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Christopher Menzel wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying out preview 2 of Aquamacs 2.0 under Snow Leopard; all > seems well for the most part but there are a couple of small > difference in functionality I've noticed compared to Aquamacs 1.8 > with regard to inverse search. To get inverse search to work in > Skim under Aquamacs. 2.0 I have used a Custom preset that points to > the copy of emacsclient that lives in the Aquamacs 2.0 hierarchy. > (I've renamed the app to Aquamacs-2.0p2 so I can keep using 1.8.) > This appears to work. I did this too. Skim now has a setting for Aquamacs (no longer "Aquamacs Emacs") but it doesn't work. > However, if I have a split window in Aquamacs and do an inverse > search (i.e., Cmd-Shift-) in my Skim preview window, it sends > the cursor in *both* panes of the split Aquamacs window to the > corresponding point in my source. I saw this too. Kind of entertaining... I figured they probably have enough bugs to keep them busy. > Under 1.8, doing so only sends the cursor in the pane that was most > recently active to the corresponding point. Second, doing an > inverse search under the 2.0 preview no longer makes Aquamacs the > foreground application. One has to click or use Cmd- to make > it so. Both of these, IMO, are inferior to the way inverse search > functions under 1.8 and I hope the 1.8 functionality can be restored. > Have you filed a bug report? I figured I would just "look" until there is some kind of official release. I'm sure they are up to their ears right now and they don't need to hear from me until they have their 1000 line long check list shortened. Joe \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ (+1) 937-775-5085 http://www.cs.wright.edu/~jslater http://www.cs.wright.edu/~jslater/JosephSlater.vcf.zip From cmenzel at tamu.edu Mon Aug 31 13:17:53 2009 From: cmenzel at tamu.edu (Christopher Menzel) Date: Mon Aug 31 13:47:05 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs+Skim inverse search In-Reply-To: <5C32DF25-6BAF-454B-96F1-55EDDD5CCD55@wright.edu> References: <5C32DF25-6BAF-454B-96F1-55EDDD5CCD55@wright.edu> Message-ID: <1E7B02A0-FAB5-446D-8ADA-D84344CB510E@tamu.edu> On Aug 30, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Joseph C. Slater PE, PhD wrote: > On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Christopher Menzel wrote: > >> I'm trying out preview 2 of Aquamacs 2.0 under Snow Leopard; all >> seems well for the most part but there are a couple of small >> difference in functionality I've noticed compared to Aquamacs 1.8 >> with regard to inverse search. >> ... > > Have you filed a bug report? I figured I would just "look" until > there is some kind of official release. I'm sure they are up to > their ears right now and they don't need to hear from me until they > have their 1000 line long check list shortened. I did file one. Forward/inverse searching is so critical to how I and, I know, many others work that it seems to me important enough to address before the 2.0 release. -chris From david.reitter at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 13:51:46 2009 From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter) Date: Mon Aug 31 14:25:34 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs+Skim inverse search In-Reply-To: <1E7B02A0-FAB5-446D-8ADA-D84344CB510E@tamu.edu> References: <5C32DF25-6BAF-454B-96F1-55EDDD5CCD55@wright.edu> <1E7B02A0-FAB5-446D-8ADA-D84344CB510E@tamu.edu> Message-ID: On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Christopher Menzel wrote: > I did file one. Forward/inverse searching is so critical to how I > and, I know, many others work that it seems to me important enough > to address before the 2.0 release. Ok, if it's important, perhaps somebody could work on it! Is the problem perhaps that Skim runs the wrong emacsclient - the one that comes with OSX and is built for 22, which is incompatible with the 23 Emacs? -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and support the Aquamacs Project! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2193 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/attachments/20090831/7debddbd/smime.bin From sdl.web at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 16:08:24 2009 From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo) Date: Mon Aug 31 16:09:30 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Aquamacs+Skim inverse search References: <5C32DF25-6BAF-454B-96F1-55EDDD5CCD55@wright.edu> <1E7B02A0-FAB5-446D-8ADA-D84344CB510E@tamu.edu> Message-ID: On 2009-08-31 18:51 +0100, David Reitter wrote: > On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Christopher Menzel wrote: >> I did file one. Forward/inverse searching is so critical to how I >> and, I know, many others work that it seems to me important enough >> to address before the 2.0 release. > > > Ok, if it's important, perhaps somebody could work on it! > > Is the problem perhaps that Skim runs the wrong emacsclient - the one > that comes with OSX and is built for 22, which is incompatible with > the 23 Emacs? FWIW, I had to specify the full path to emacsclient in order to get skim to work with Emacs 23. -- Leo's Emacs uptime: 9 days, 1 hour, 40 minutes, 19 seconds From cmenzel at tamu.edu Mon Aug 31 23:50:16 2009 From: cmenzel at tamu.edu (Christopher Menzel) Date: Tue Sep 1 00:19:31 2009 Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Aquamacs+Skim inverse search In-Reply-To: References: <5C32DF25-6BAF-454B-96F1-55EDDD5CCD55@wright.edu> <1E7B02A0-FAB5-446D-8ADA-D84344CB510E@tamu.edu> Message-ID: <91A980E7-5619-4566-A7EB-D76B90FFC33D@tamu.edu> On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Leo wrote: On 2009-08-31 18:51 +0100, David Reitter wrote: >> On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Christopher Menzel wrote: >>> I did file one. Forward/inverse searching is so critical to how I >>> and, I know, many others work that it seems to me important enough >>> to address before the 2.0 release. >> >> Ok, if it's important, perhaps somebody could work on it! If only I had the skills... >> Is the problem perhaps that Skim runs the wrong emacsclient - the one >> that comes with OSX and is built for 22, which is incompatible with >> the 23 Emacs? > > FWIW, I had to specify the full path to emacsclient in order to get > skim > to work with Emacs 23. Yes, I did that as well. Chris Menzel