From hindiogine at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 12:24:32 2009
From: hindiogine at gmail.com (Salvatore Enrico Indiogine)
Date: Wed Jul  1 13:36:51 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 2.0+ nightly build
Message-ID: <62622fe70907010924r1ca1e404ia474976240fa6484@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings!

I just installed the latest Aquamacs 2.0 Cocoa build.  I installs OK
and then when I run it on a OSX 10.5.7 MacBook on the menu bar only
Aquamacs/Cocoa appears.   I try to open a file C-x C-f or try anything
else and nothing happens.   Am I missing something or this is just the
status of the build and I have to wait for later versions where this
works?

Thanks,
Enrico


-- 
Enrico Indiogine

Mathematics Education
Texas A&M University

Email: hindiogine@gmail.com
Skype: hindiogine
Website: http://www.coe.tamu.edu/~enrico

"Rien ne va de soi.  Rien n'est donné. Tous est construit."   Gaston
Bachelard, 1934
From david.reitter at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 15:22:41 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Wed Jul  1 15:45:56 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] ixamia
References: <62622fe70907011213i5196d1f4ke35d1882a6c8d13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D3C20C08-E0D2-4DF7-9EA9-5C4F2E44E0D1@gmail.com>

I'm attaching a message from an Aquamacs user below - one of many that  
I have received.

People would like imaxima included.  I looked into this a while ago  
and thought that there are a lot of dependencies.  Still, it might be  
nice to include support at least at some level.

Is anyone here interested in these packages and could make the  
necessary changes in Aquamacs to include them, and then maintain the  
configuration of packages in the distribution?

Thanks
- David


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Salvatore Enrico Indiogine <xxx>
> Date: July 1, 2009 3:13:02 PM EDT
> To: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 2.0+ nightly build
>
> David:
>

> I was trying to find an emacs distribution that had the  imaxima  and
> imath packages:
>
> http://members3.jcom.home.ne.jp/imaxima/Site/Welcome.html
>
>
> I am sorry that Aquamacs does not include this package.  Other emacsen
> do.  But I like Aquamacs much more than any other emacs distribution.
>
> I am not good at installing packages and really would love if the
> Aquamacs developers would include imaxima/imath in Aquamacs.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
> Enrico
>

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From tsd at tsdye.com  Sun Jul  5 12:39:25 2009
From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
Date: Sun Jul  5 13:06:40 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Installing newer version of org-mode
In-Reply-To: <D3C20C08-E0D2-4DF7-9EA9-5C4F2E44E0D1@gmail.com>
References: <62622fe70907011213i5196d1f4ke35d1882a6c8d13@mail.gmail.com>
	<D3C20C08-E0D2-4DF7-9EA9-5C4F2E44E0D1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <163DDC73-DA1B-4D1A-B75E-958696A5B2D7@tsdye.com>

Aloha all,

I've been using org-mode quite a bit lately, enough to discover that  
I'd like to use features added recently.  The org-mode in Aquamacs is  
5.23a; the current org-mode release is 6.28.   What is the best way to  
install a new org-mode so it works with Aquamacs?

The org-mode manual specifically asks for this information:

> Go into the unpacked Org distribution directory and edit the top  
> section of the file Makefile. You must set the name of the Emacs  
> binary (likely either emacs or xemacs), and the paths to the  
> directories where local Lisp and Info files are kept.

All the best,
Tom

Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
http://www.tsdye.com



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From mcg at gilbert.org  Sun Jul  5 15:18:56 2009
From: mcg at gilbert.org (Michael Gilbert)
Date: Sun Jul  5 15:19:45 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Installing newer version of org-mode
In-Reply-To: <163DDC73-DA1B-4D1A-B75E-958696A5B2D7@tsdye.com>
References: <62622fe70907011213i5196d1f4ke35d1882a6c8d13@mail.gmail.com>
	<D3C20C08-E0D2-4DF7-9EA9-5C4F2E44E0D1@gmail.com>
	<163DDC73-DA1B-4D1A-B75E-958696A5B2D7@tsdye.com>
Message-ID: <59F2B0C2-BEA9-426E-AB65-5F01D8AE86A6@gilbert.org>

On Jul 5,2009, at 9:39 AM, Thomas S. Dye wrote:

> I've been using org-mode quite a bit lately, enough to discover that  
> I'd like to use features added recently.  The org-mode in Aquamacs  
> is 5.23a; the current org-mode release is 6.28.   What is the best  
> way to install a new org-mode so it works with Aquamacs?

In order to make it easy for me to keep up with nightly builds, I did  
this the simple way. In my .emacs file (the preferences file), I just  
added two lines pointing emacs to the newer orgmode directory. I  
stored the latter side by side with Aquamacs in a directory. The  
instructions for this are also in the orgmode manual, right near the  
top. I store Aquamacs in a user Applications directory on my machine,  
so the two lines in my file look like this:

(setq load-path (cons "~/Applications/Text/Aquamacs/org-6.28e/lisp"  
load-path))
(setq load-path (cons "~/Applications/Text/Aquamacs/org-6.28e/contrib/ 
lisp" load-path))


Now I can upgrade Aquamacs any time I like without having to re- 
upgrade orgmode.

-- Michael


Michael C. Gilbert -- mcg@gilbert.org

    The Gilbert Center -- http://gilbert.org
    With Michael Gilbert -- http://with.gilbert.org
    Nonprofit Online News -- http://nonprofitnews.org

        "There can be no joy of life without joy of work." -- Aquinas

From tsd at tsdye.com  Sun Jul  5 15:49:02 2009
From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
Date: Sun Jul  5 15:49:35 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Installing newer version of org-mode
In-Reply-To: <59F2B0C2-BEA9-426E-AB65-5F01D8AE86A6@gilbert.org>
References: <62622fe70907011213i5196d1f4ke35d1882a6c8d13@mail.gmail.com>
	<D3C20C08-E0D2-4DF7-9EA9-5C4F2E44E0D1@gmail.com>
	<163DDC73-DA1B-4D1A-B75E-958696A5B2D7@tsdye.com>
	<59F2B0C2-BEA9-426E-AB65-5F01D8AE86A6@gilbert.org>
Message-ID: <6E001C78-AB07-4313-97E9-94698772B7AD@tsdye.com>

Aloha Michael,

I am definitely into doing these things the simple way.

The org-mode manual leaves me confused, though.  If I add the two  
lines to my .emacs, as you suggest, is it still necessary to change  
the org-mode Makefile?  I think the org-mode manual can be read either  
way on this.

Thanks,
Tom

On Jul 5, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote:

> On Jul 5,2009, at 9:39 AM, Thomas S. Dye wrote:
>
>> I've been using org-mode quite a bit lately, enough to discover  
>> that I'd like to use features added recently.  The org-mode in  
>> Aquamacs is 5.23a; the current org-mode release is 6.28.   What is  
>> the best way to install a new org-mode so it works with Aquamacs?
>
> In order to make it easy for me to keep up with nightly builds, I  
> did this the simple way. In my .emacs file (the preferences file), I  
> just added two lines pointing emacs to the newer orgmode directory.  
> I stored the latter side by side with Aquamacs in a directory. The  
> instructions for this are also in the orgmode manual, right near the  
> top. I store Aquamacs in a user Applications directory on my  
> machine, so the two lines in my file look like this:
>
> (setq load-path (cons "~/Applications/Text/Aquamacs/org-6.28e/lisp"  
> load-path))
> (setq load-path (cons "~/Applications/Text/Aquamacs/org-6.28e/ 
> contrib/lisp" load-path))
>
>
> Now I can upgrade Aquamacs any time I like without having to re- 
> upgrade orgmode.
>
> -- Michael
>
>
> Michael C. Gilbert -- mcg@gilbert.org
>
>   The Gilbert Center -- http://gilbert.org
>   With Michael Gilbert -- http://with.gilbert.org
>   Nonprofit Online News -- http://nonprofitnews.org
>
>       "There can be no joy of life without joy of work." -- Aquinas
>
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From mcg at gilbert.org  Sun Jul  5 16:46:39 2009
From: mcg at gilbert.org (Michael Gilbert)
Date: Sun Jul  5 16:47:15 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Installing newer version of org-mode
In-Reply-To: <6E001C78-AB07-4313-97E9-94698772B7AD@tsdye.com>
References: <62622fe70907011213i5196d1f4ke35d1882a6c8d13@mail.gmail.com>
	<D3C20C08-E0D2-4DF7-9EA9-5C4F2E44E0D1@gmail.com>
	<163DDC73-DA1B-4D1A-B75E-958696A5B2D7@tsdye.com>
	<59F2B0C2-BEA9-426E-AB65-5F01D8AE86A6@gilbert.org>
	<6E001C78-AB07-4313-97E9-94698772B7AD@tsdye.com>
Message-ID: <F24E0A1A-30AA-43E9-B909-981F7DD57610@gilbert.org>

> I am definitely into doing these things the simple way. The org-mode  
> manual leaves me confused, though.  If I add the two lines to  
> my .emacs, as you suggest, is it still necessary to change the org- 
> mode Makefile?  I think the org-mode manual can be read either way  
> on this.

Ahh. No. Because you are not actually running make. So no need to  
change it.

-- Michael

Michael C. Gilbert -- mcg@gilbert.org

    The Gilbert Center -- http://gilbert.org
    With Michael Gilbert -- http://with.gilbert.org
    Nonprofit Online News -- http://nonprofitnews.org

        "There can be no joy of life without joy of work." -- Aquinas

From vollmar at nf.mpg.de  Sun Jul  5 16:02:39 2009
From: vollmar at nf.mpg.de (Stefan Vollmar)
Date: Sun Jul  5 17:03:16 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Installing newer version of org-mode
In-Reply-To: <6E001C78-AB07-4313-97E9-94698772B7AD@tsdye.com>
References: <62622fe70907011213i5196d1f4ke35d1882a6c8d13@mail.gmail.com>
	<D3C20C08-E0D2-4DF7-9EA9-5C4F2E44E0D1@gmail.com>
	<163DDC73-DA1B-4D1A-B75E-958696A5B2D7@tsdye.com>
	<59F2B0C2-BEA9-426E-AB65-5F01D8AE86A6@gilbert.org>
	<6E001C78-AB07-4313-97E9-94698772B7AD@tsdye.com>
Message-ID: <AEF36F7A-321A-49C9-AE85-8B200508C4CC@nf.mpg.de>

Dear Tom,

On 05.07.2009, at 18:39, Thomas S. Dye wrote:

> I've been using org-mode quite a bit lately, enough to discover that  
> I'd like to use features added recently.  The org-mode in Aquamacs  
> is 5.23a; the current org-mode release is 6.28.   What is the best  
> way to install a new org-mode so it works with Aquamacs?


The following recipe works very well for me:

This is what needs to be done once:

(1) do an initial
git clone git://repo.or.cz/org-mode.git
of the latest version.

(2) Change into that directory and edit the Makefile (assuming  
Aquamacs has been installed in /Applications):
# Name of your emacs binary
EMACS="/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs"

(3) Adapt your .emacs-file (the git part is in "~/devel/org-mode" in  
my setup):

(defvar org-sys-directory "~/devel/org-mode/lisp"
   "The directory containing the org distribution.")
(setq load-path (cons org-sys-directory load-path))

Now everytime you want to get the latest org-version do a

(4) make update

in your org-directory. In Aquamacs do a

(5) M-x org-reload

then a

M-x org-version

to make sure everything works as expected.
Warm regards,
  Stefan
-- 
Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany
Tel.: +49-221-4726-213  FAX +49-221-4726-298
Tel.: +49-221-478-5713  Mobile: 0160-93874279
Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de   http://www.nf.mpg.de





From tsd at tsdye.com  Sun Jul  5 17:50:07 2009
From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
Date: Sun Jul  5 18:17:21 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Installing newer version of org-mode
In-Reply-To: <AEF36F7A-321A-49C9-AE85-8B200508C4CC@nf.mpg.de>
References: <62622fe70907011213i5196d1f4ke35d1882a6c8d13@mail.gmail.com>
	<D3C20C08-E0D2-4DF7-9EA9-5C4F2E44E0D1@gmail.com>
	<163DDC73-DA1B-4D1A-B75E-958696A5B2D7@tsdye.com>
	<59F2B0C2-BEA9-426E-AB65-5F01D8AE86A6@gilbert.org>
	<6E001C78-AB07-4313-97E9-94698772B7AD@tsdye.com>
	<AEF36F7A-321A-49C9-AE85-8B200508C4CC@nf.mpg.de>
Message-ID: <F3D6A8F5-DE68-44BC-9429-9413B5485128@tsdye.com>

Aloha Stefan,

Thanks for the recipe.  Even someone with my limited technical skills  
can cook with it.  Magically, org-version = 6.28trans.

All the best,
Tom

Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
http://www.tsdye.com


On Jul 5, 2009, at 10:02 AM, Stefan Vollmar wrote:

> Dear Tom,
>
> On 05.07.2009, at 18:39, Thomas S. Dye wrote:
>
>> I've been using org-mode quite a bit lately, enough to discover  
>> that I'd like to use features added recently.  The org-mode in  
>> Aquamacs is 5.23a; the current org-mode release is 6.28.   What is  
>> the best way to install a new org-mode so it works with Aquamacs?
>
>
> The following recipe works very well for me:
>
> This is what needs to be done once:
>
> (1) do an initial
> git clone git://repo.or.cz/org-mode.git
> of the latest version.
>
> (2) Change into that directory and edit the Makefile (assuming  
> Aquamacs has been installed in /Applications):
> # Name of your emacs binary
> EMACS="/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs"
>
> (3) Adapt your .emacs-file (the git part is in "~/devel/org-mode" in  
> my setup):
>
> (defvar org-sys-directory "~/devel/org-mode/lisp"
>  "The directory containing the org distribution.")
> (setq load-path (cons org-sys-directory load-path))
>
> Now everytime you want to get the latest org-version do a
>
> (4) make update
>
> in your org-directory. In Aquamacs do a
>
> (5) M-x org-reload
>
> then a
>
> M-x org-version
>
> to make sure everything works as expected.
> Warm regards,
> Stefan
> -- 
> Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
> Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
> Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany
> Tel.: +49-221-4726-213  FAX +49-221-4726-298
> Tel.: +49-221-478-5713  Mobile: 0160-93874279
> Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de   http://www.nf.mpg.de
>
>
>
>
>
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From ulrich.moritz at googlemail.com  Mon Jul  6 06:29:09 2009
From: ulrich.moritz at googlemail.com (Moritz Ulrich)
Date: Mon Jul  6 06:30:01 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] [Aquamacs] CMD + ^ doesn't work in a new nightly
Message-ID: <a8d68d090907060329g4795b2f4k372cbef2e3f8d8f9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I've switched to an Aquamacs nightly (2009-Jul-05) recently.
Since then the shortcut Cmd + ^ (Meta + ^) doesn't work anymore. It
should join the current line with the one above.

I think it's important to mention that I'm on a German keyboard, so
that I have to type ^<space> to actually get '^'. I would get 'ô' of I
would press ^o.
This worked in the latest stable (I think it as 1.8), and stopped working now.

Is there a customization or something to get the old behavior back?

Best regards,
Moritz Ulrich
From ulrich.moritz at googlemail.com  Mon Jul  6 06:29:49 2009
From: ulrich.moritz at googlemail.com (Moritz Ulrich)
Date: Mon Jul  6 06:30:44 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Using system shortcuts in Aquamacs?
Message-ID: <a8d68d090907060329v61f2b0cejd4072f35bba58b93@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I have a question about the Emacs/OSX integration:

I've defined a shortcut for a service-menu-entry in the system
preferences -> keyboard -> keyboard shortcuts.

This works in every application, but Aquamacs (Nightly, 2009-Jul-05)
captures this keystroke and don't pass it to the system.
It's a real useful shortcut (It gets the currently selected text and
does something with it) which I use much, and it would be very good if
I could use it in Aquamacs too.

Is there any way to accomplish this?

I hope for an answer.

Best regards,
Moritz Ulrich
From david.reitter at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 11:19:38 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Mon Jul  6 14:46:37 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] [Aquamacs] CMD + ^ doesn't work in a new nightly
In-Reply-To: <a8d68d090907060329g4795b2f4k372cbef2e3f8d8f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a8d68d090907060329g4795b2f4k372cbef2e3f8d8f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2A286325-AB66-4D95-B354-E26EC0B259FC@gmail.com>

On Jul 6, 2009, at 6:29 AM, Moritz Ulrich wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've switched to an Aquamacs nightly (2009-Jul-05) recently.
> Since then the shortcut Cmd + ^ (Meta + ^) doesn't work anymore. It
> should join the current line with the one above.

I can't reproduce.

Meta-^ works fine for me (with an English keyboard layout)

Note that in Aquamacs, Meta-^ does NOT correspond to Command-^, unless  
you change the configuration from what is pre-set.

M-^ is Option-^.


> I think it's important to mention that I'm on a German keyboard, so
> that I have to type ^<space> to actually get '^'. I would get 'ô' of I
> would press ^o.


I didn't think that ^ was a dead key, unless you use Option-i for that.

Now, if I remember correctly, Emacs (NS) has a bug that will prevent  
dead keys from being recognized in some cases.  Maybe that's what this  
is.

Are you actually pressing  ^ (does a German keyboard still have a key  
for that), or Option-i plus space?

- David


--
http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and  
support the Aquamacs Project!
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From ulrich.moritz at googlemail.com  Mon Jul  6 16:16:07 2009
From: ulrich.moritz at googlemail.com (Moritz Ulrich)
Date: Mon Jul  6 16:17:01 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] [Aquamacs] CMD + ^ doesn't work in a new nightly
In-Reply-To: <2A286325-AB66-4D95-B354-E26EC0B259FC@gmail.com>
References: <a8d68d090907060329g4795b2f4k372cbef2e3f8d8f9@mail.gmail.com> 
	<2A286325-AB66-4D95-B354-E26EC0B259FC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a8d68d090907061316r6fa4486y6ec5be743d31bd67@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

thank you for the report. It looks like it's really an issue with the
German keyboard layout.


On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 5:19 PM, David Reitter<david.reitter@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 2009, at 6:29 AM, Moritz Ulrich wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've switched to an Aquamacs nightly (2009-Jul-05) recently.
>> Since then the shortcut Cmd + ^ (Meta + ^) doesn't work anymore. It
>> should join the current line with the one above.
>
> I can't reproduce.
>
> Meta-^ works fine for me (with an English keyboard layout)
>
> Note that in Aquamacs, Meta-^ does NOT correspond to Command-^, unless you
> change the configuration from what is pre-set.
>
> M-^ is Option-^.
>
>
>> I think it's important to mention that I'm on a German keyboard, so
>> that I have to type ^<space> to actually get '^'. I would get 'ô' of I
>> would press ^o.
>
>
> I didn't think that ^ was a dead key, unless you use Option-i for that.
>
> Now, if I remember correctly, Emacs (NS) has a bug that will prevent dead
> keys from being recognized in some cases.  Maybe that's what this is.
>
> Are you actually pressing  ^ (does a German keyboard still have a key for
> that), or Option-i plus space?
>
> - David
>
>
> --
> http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
> http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and
> support the Aquamacs Project!
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>
From david.reitter at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 16:31:39 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Mon Jul  6 16:32:20 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] [Aquamacs] CMD + ^ doesn't work in a new nightly
In-Reply-To: <a8d68d090907061316r6fa4486y6ec5be743d31bd67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a8d68d090907060329g4795b2f4k372cbef2e3f8d8f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A286325-AB66-4D95-B354-E26EC0B259FC@gmail.com>
	<a8d68d090907061316r6fa4486y6ec5be743d31bd67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8A0428A6-F38E-46EE-BFE6-E75C4CD5923A@gmail.com>

Hello Moritz,

On Jul 6, 2009, at 4:16 PM, Moritz Ulrich wrote:
> thank you for the report. It looks like it's really an issue with the
> German keyboard layout.

Thanks, but can you detail the problem so that it can be fixed?

Other keyboard layouts are fully supported in Aquamacs (and Emacs) and  
there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to enter Command-^.  On  
older German Mac keyboards, the ^ key was in the top left corner (`  
and ~ on English keyboards).  Is that not the case any more?



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From ulrich.moritz at googlemail.com  Mon Jul  6 18:38:29 2009
From: ulrich.moritz at googlemail.com (Moritz Ulrich)
Date: Mon Jul  6 18:39:24 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] [Aquamacs] CMD + ^ doesn't work in a new nightly
In-Reply-To: <8A0428A6-F38E-46EE-BFE6-E75C4CD5923A@gmail.com>
References: <a8d68d090907060329g4795b2f4k372cbef2e3f8d8f9@mail.gmail.com> 
	<2A286325-AB66-4D95-B354-E26EC0B259FC@gmail.com>
	<a8d68d090907061316r6fa4486y6ec5be743d31bd67@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8A0428A6-F38E-46EE-BFE6-E75C4CD5923A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a8d68d090907061538u44c01984y4eb6777e34353b3e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello David,

I can provide as much informations as you want, but I'm not very
experiences with keyboard-layouts ;)
Yes, the ^-key is in the upper-left corner of the German keyboard.

I think the reason why it makes trouble is that it is a... lets call
it meta-key (Bad naming, yes).

I described the behavior in my first post: If you press the ^-key on
german keyboards, osx inserts a ^ with an underline. If you press a
key like o, i or so, a special key with the ^ on top is inserted (ô,
â, for example).
To actually get the ^-character, you have to press ^-<space>.

I think that is the problem why Emacs has problems with it.

I'd be happy if I could provide more useful informations, but I don't
know which...

Best regards,
Moritz Ulrich

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:31 PM, David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Moritz,
>
> On Jul 6, 2009, at 4:16 PM, Moritz Ulrich wrote:
>>
>> thank you for the report. It looks like it's really an issue with the
>> German keyboard layout.
>
> Thanks, but can you detail the problem so that it can be fixed?
>
> Other keyboard layouts are fully supported in Aquamacs (and Emacs) and there
> is no reason why you shouldn't be able to enter Command-^.  On older German
> Mac keyboards, the ^ key was in the top left corner (` and ~ on English
> keyboards).  Is that not the case any more?
>
>
>
> --
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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Mon Jul  6 18:46:49 2009
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Mon Jul  6 18:47:26 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] [Aquamacs] CMD + ^ doesn't work in a new nightly
In-Reply-To: <a8d68d090907061538u44c01984y4eb6777e34353b3e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a8d68d090907060329g4795b2f4k372cbef2e3f8d8f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A286325-AB66-4D95-B354-E26EC0B259FC@gmail.com>
	<a8d68d090907061316r6fa4486y6ec5be743d31bd67@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A0428A6-F38E-46EE-BFE6-E75C4CD5923A@gmail.com>
	<a8d68d090907061538u44c01984y4eb6777e34353b3e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96893563-60D9-449D-B54B-591C187F18B2@Web.DE>


Am 07.07.2009 um 00:38 schrieb Moritz Ulrich:

> To actually get the ^-character, you have to press ^-<space>.


For which it is called a "dead key" ? and on alt-shift-6 it's also dead.

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   Pete

If all else fails read the instructions.
				- Donald Knuth



From ulrich.moritz at googlemail.com  Mon Jul  6 19:43:45 2009
From: ulrich.moritz at googlemail.com (Moritz Ulrich)
Date: Mon Jul  6 19:44:39 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] [Aquamacs] CMD + ^ doesn't work in a new nightly
In-Reply-To: <96893563-60D9-449D-B54B-591C187F18B2@Web.DE>
References: <a8d68d090907060329g4795b2f4k372cbef2e3f8d8f9@mail.gmail.com> 
	<2A286325-AB66-4D95-B354-E26EC0B259FC@gmail.com>
	<a8d68d090907061316r6fa4486y6ec5be743d31bd67@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8A0428A6-F38E-46EE-BFE6-E75C4CD5923A@gmail.com>
	<a8d68d090907061538u44c01984y4eb6777e34353b3e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<96893563-60D9-449D-B54B-591C187F18B2@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <a8d68d090907061643x18bb1dc8q2981fff9f46f542e@mail.gmail.com>

That's interesting.

Alt + Shift + 6 inserts the same character, but if I hold Meta while
pressing this keystroke, joining lines works as expected.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Peter Dyballa<Peter_Dyballa@web.de> wrote:
>
> Am 07.07.2009 um 00:38 schrieb Moritz Ulrich:
>
>> To actually get the ^-character, you have to press ^-<space>.
>
>
> For which it is called a "dead key" ? and on alt-shift-6 it's also dead.
>
> --
> Mit friedvollen Grüßen
>
>  Pete
>
> If all else fails read the instructions.
>                                - Donald Knuth
>
>
>
>
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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 20:25:05 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Mon Jul  6 21:34:15 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] [Aquamacs] CMD + ^ doesn't work in a new nightly
In-Reply-To: <a8d68d090907061538u44c01984y4eb6777e34353b3e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a8d68d090907060329g4795b2f4k372cbef2e3f8d8f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A286325-AB66-4D95-B354-E26EC0B259FC@gmail.com>
	<a8d68d090907061316r6fa4486y6ec5be743d31bd67@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A0428A6-F38E-46EE-BFE6-E75C4CD5923A@gmail.com>
	<a8d68d090907061538u44c01984y4eb6777e34353b3e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02E8178E-1636-4F2C-93CC-61671E2A562A@gmail.com>

>
> I described the behavior in my first post: If you press the ^-key on
> german keyboards, osx inserts a ^ with an underline. If you press a
> key like o, i or so, a special key with the ^ on top is inserted (ô,
> â, for example).
> To actually get the ^-character, you have to press ^-<space>.

OK, that's a dead key.

To enter a key binding involving this key and Meta, use

ESC ^ SPACE

and that works as intended for me.

Using Option (Meta) or Command (reconfigured as Meta) doesn't work,  
and that's no good.

Patches welcome.

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From tsd at tsdye.com  Tue Jul  7 21:27:39 2009
From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
Date: Tue Jul  7 21:54:57 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] org-mode and Aquamacs tabs
Message-ID: <473D3D34-0DD7-41FB-8C1B-EBF3BB416AEF@tsdye.com>

Aloha all,

Org-mode's agenda column view puts column headers where Aquamacs has  
tabs, overwriting the tabs.  I don't know if this is an Aquamacs issue  
or an org-mode issue, but it would be nice if two terrific pieces of  
software cooperated better in this one small instance.

All the best,
Tom

Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
http://www.tsdye.com


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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 10:59:36 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Wed Jul  8 11:00:18 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 1.8b
Message-ID: <3B3EC17F-1444-4E55-A13E-AE59F059EFA5@gmail.com>

Aquamacs Emacs 1.8b is now available for download.  This is a minor  
release; it is recommended in case you use Tramp to access files on  
remote systems.

The download and more details are available here:

http://aquamacs.org/download.shtml

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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 11:05:09 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Wed Jul  8 11:05:57 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] org-mode and Aquamacs tabs
In-Reply-To: <473D3D34-0DD7-41FB-8C1B-EBF3BB416AEF@tsdye.com>
References: <473D3D34-0DD7-41FB-8C1B-EBF3BB416AEF@tsdye.com>
Message-ID: <1B664988-07A4-4563-BAC8-A1AF8BD842A2@gmail.com>

Tom,

there is only one header line available in Emacs.  Changing this would  
require the implementation of an additional "tab line" in the  
redisplay, window and frame management code (C level).  I'm not aware  
of anyone who would be able and willing to implement this kind of stuff.

I found it helpful though to set the defaults for header line use by  
modes so that the header line is not snatched from tabbar-mode.

- David


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On Jul 7, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote:

> Aloha all,
>
> Org-mode's agenda column view puts column headers where Aquamacs has  
> tabs, overwriting the tabs.  I don't know if this is an Aquamacs  
> issue or an org-mode issue, but it would be nice if two terrific  
> pieces of software cooperated better in this one small instance.
>
> All the best,
> Tom

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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 11:06:59 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Wed Jul  8 11:07:43 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Using system shortcuts in Aquamacs?
In-Reply-To: <a8d68d090907060329v61f2b0cejd4072f35bba58b93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a8d68d090907060329v61f2b0cejd4072f35bba58b93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <401B9B25-F216-4A3A-A94E-47F8743564AF@gmail.com>

On Jul 6, 2009, at 6:29 AM, Moritz Ulrich wrote:
> I've defined a shortcut for a service-menu-entry in the system
> preferences -> keyboard -> keyboard shortcuts.
>
> This works in every application, but Aquamacs (Nightly, 2009-Jul-05)
> captures this keystroke and don't pass it to the system.
> It's a real useful shortcut (It gets the currently selected text and
> does something with it) which I use much, and it would be very good if
> I could use it in Aquamacs too.

Is the key bound to any function in Aquamacs?
What's the key and what is the service?

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From tsd at tsdye.com  Wed Jul  8 12:49:01 2009
From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
Date: Wed Jul  8 13:16:24 2009
Subject: [Orgmode] Re: [OS X Emacs] org-mode and Aquamacs tabs
In-Reply-To: <1B664988-07A4-4563-BAC8-A1AF8BD842A2@gmail.com>
References: <473D3D34-0DD7-41FB-8C1B-EBF3BB416AEF@tsdye.com>
	<1B664988-07A4-4563-BAC8-A1AF8BD842A2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D87AB12-9DB8-428A-AB41-461665543646@tsdye.com>

Thanks Carsten and David,

Can someone provide examples of "defaults for header line use by  
modes" mentioned by David that keep Aquamacs tabs and suppress org- 
mode agenda column heads if the tab bar is active in Aquamacs?

All the best,
Tom

Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
http://www.tsdye.com

On Jul 8, 2009, at 5:05 AM, David Reitter wrote:

> Tom,
>
> there is only one header line available in Emacs.  Changing this  
> would require the implementation of an additional "tab line" in the  
> redisplay, window and frame management code (C level).  I'm not  
> aware of anyone who would be able and willing to implement this kind  
> of stuff.
>
> I found it helpful though to set the defaults for header line use by  
> modes so that the header line is not snatched from tabbar-mode.
>
> - David
>
>
> --
> http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
> http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor  
> and support the Aquamacs Project!
>
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote:
>
>> Aloha all,
>>
>> Org-mode's agenda column view puts column headers where Aquamacs  
>> has tabs, overwriting the tabs.  I don't know if this is an  
>> Aquamacs issue or an org-mode issue, but it would be nice if two  
>> terrific pieces of software cooperated better in this one small  
>> instance.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Tom
>
> _______________________________________________
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From: herbert.korte at uregina.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?HERBERT_KORT=C9?=)
Date: Wed Jul  8 23:08:34 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] PDF button missing
Message-ID: <54314749-C549-4C7F-80D2-4A517A928CB2@uregina.ca>

I downloaded version 1.8b. Now the PDF and the
bibtex buttons are missing. Further, I can't invoke
Math by the C-c  ~ command. The Mini buffer says: Latex
instead of PDF/Latex. Please advise. Thanks!

Cheers, Herbert

Dr. Herbert Korté
Professor of Philosophy
University of Regina
Regina, Sk., Canada
Webpage: http://phil.uregina.ca/korte/
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From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill)
Date: Wed Jul  8 23:45:54 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] PDF button missing
In-Reply-To: <54314749-C549-4C7F-80D2-4A517A928CB2@uregina.ca>
References: <54314749-C549-4C7F-80D2-4A517A928CB2@uregina.ca>
Message-ID: <19029.24966.898540.282884@knecht.local>


Herbert> I downloaded version 1.8b. Now the PDF and the
Herbert> bibtex buttons are missing. Further, I can't invoke
Herbert> Math by the C-c  ~ command. The Mini buffer says: Latex
Herbert> instead of PDF/Latex. Please advise. Thanks!

AucTeX is missing from this version.  I emailed this to the list, but
for some reason my message has not gotten through yet.

I guess David will be fixing this soon, but in the meantime I've gone
back to 1.7, which is the latest version I know that works.  (Haven't
tried 1.8a.)

Cheers, José




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From herbert.korte at uregina.ca  Wed Jul  8 23:56:11 2009
From: herbert.korte at uregina.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?HERBERT_KORT=C9?=)
Date: Wed Jul  8 23:57:01 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] PDF button missing
In-Reply-To: <19029.24966.898540.282884@knecht.local>
References: <54314749-C549-4C7F-80D2-4A517A928CB2@uregina.ca>
	<19029.24966.898540.282884@knecht.local>
Message-ID: <20C78DCD-3F28-4054-8A66-2A8889D634E4@uregina.ca>

Thanks!

Cheers, Herbert

Dr. Herbert Korté
Professor of Philosophy
University of Regina
Regina, Sk., Canada
Webpage: http://phil.uregina.ca/korte/
Email: herbert.korte@uregina.ca



On 8-Jul-09, at 9:18 PM, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:

>
> Herbert> I downloaded version 1.8b. Now the PDF and the
> Herbert> bibtex buttons are missing. Further, I can't invoke
> Herbert> Math by the C-c  ~ command. The Mini buffer says: Latex
> Herbert> instead of PDF/Latex. Please advise. Thanks!
>
> AucTeX is missing from this version.  I emailed this to the list, but
> for some reason my message has not gotten through yet.
>
> I guess David will be fixing this soon, but in the meantime I've gone
> back to 1.7, which is the latest version I know that works.  (Haven't
> tried 1.8a.)
>
> Cheers, José
>
>
>
>
> --  
> Prof José M Figueroa-O'Farrill  | Phone: +44 (0) 131 6505066
> Maxwell Institute and           | Fax: +44 (0) 131 6506553
> School of Mathematics           | Skype: josemiguelfigueroa
> University of Edinburgh         | Web: http://www.maths.ed.ac.uk/~jmf
> Edinburgh EH9 3JZ, Scotland, UK | PGP key: 6A6BD529 (MIT PGP  
> keyserver)
>
> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in  
> Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
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From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Thu Jul  9 00:06:29 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] PDF button missing
In-Reply-To: <54314749-C549-4C7F-80D2-4A517A928CB2@uregina.ca>
References: <54314749-C549-4C7F-80D2-4A517A928CB2@uregina.ca>
Message-ID: <EB5BEA7D-FFDB-43FB-95CB-20685128A395@gmail.com>

On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:34 PM, HERBERT KORTÉ wrote:

> I downloaded version 1.8b. Now the PDF and the
> bibtex buttons are missing. Further, I can't invoke
> Math by the C-c  ~ command. The Mini buffer says: Latex
> instead of PDF/Latex. Please advise. Thanks!

Thank you for reporting this.
I have uploaded version 1.8c which contains a hotfix for this problem.

http://aquamacs.org/download.shtml

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From herbert.korte at uregina.ca  Thu Jul  9 01:15:19 2009
From: herbert.korte at uregina.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?HERBERT_KORT=C9?=)
Date: Thu Jul  9 02:51:07 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Thanks
In-Reply-To: <EB5BEA7D-FFDB-43FB-95CB-20685128A395@gmail.com>
References: <54314749-C549-4C7F-80D2-4A517A928CB2@uregina.ca>
	<EB5BEA7D-FFDB-43FB-95CB-20685128A395@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1D879717-D81D-43AD-B8AA-D0BFADA9C6C9@uregina.ca>

Thanks David!

Cheers, Herbert

Dr. Herbert Korté
Professor of Philosophy
University of Regina
Regina, Sk., Canada
Webpage: http://phil.uregina.ca/korte/
Email: herbert.korte@uregina.ca



On 8-Jul-09, at 9:59 PM, David Reitter wrote:

> On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:34 PM, HERBERT KORTÉ wrote:
>
>> I downloaded version 1.8b. Now the PDF and the
>> bibtex buttons are missing. Further, I can't invoke
>> Math by the C-c  ~ command. The Mini buffer says: Latex
>> instead of PDF/Latex. Please advise. Thanks!
>
> Thank you for reporting this.
> I have uploaded version 1.8c which contains a hotfix for this problem.
>
> http://aquamacs.org/download.shtml
>
> --
> http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
> http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor  
> and support the Aquamacs Project! 
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From joseph.slater at wright.edu  Thu Jul  9 15:32:30 2009
From: joseph.slater at wright.edu (Joseph C. Slater PE, PhD)
Date: Thu Jul  9 16:33:15 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 1.8b
In-Reply-To: <3B3EC17F-1444-4E55-A13E-AE59F059EFA5@gmail.com>
References: <3B3EC17F-1444-4E55-A13E-AE59F059EFA5@gmail.com>
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On Jul 8, 2009, at 10:59 AM, David Reitter wrote:

> Aquamacs Emacs 1.8b is now available for download.  This is a minor  
> release; it is recommended in case you use Tramp to access files on  
> remote systems.
>
> The download and more details are available here:
>
> http://aquamacs.org/download.shtml

I'm confused. I already have 1.8c, and that's what is posted  
(according to the web page), but the change log says "b".
Joe
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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 16:47:37 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Thu Jul  9 16:48:24 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 1.8b
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On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Joseph C. Slater PE, PhD wrote:

> I'm confused. I already have 1.8c, and that's what is posted  
> (according to the web page), but the change log says "b".

Sorry, the change log is updated via a separate script.
Our web host (Nearlyfreespeech.Net) is currently shut down (partially)  
so that the update fails.

I will run it manually as soon as the NFSN is back in action.

If you have 1.8c you're OK (until the next bug is discovered).

--
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http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and  
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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Sat Jul 11 19:00:38 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Sat Jul 11 19:21:49 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 - Icon survey
Message-ID: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>

Dear Emacs and Aquamacs enthusiasts,

please take part in our Icon survey - we'd like to get your feedback  
regarding candidates for the new application icon for Aquamacs 2.0,  
which is in development now.

http://braeburn.aquamacs.org/aq-icons/

It's most important that you tell me why you like or dislike certain  
icons.  I'm going to distill your comments to discuss them with the  
development team.  If all goes well, we're then going to choose a  
final candidate that will revised by its designer.  Note that a  
combination of the design elements of different icons is entirely  
possible, too.  Just let me know your suggestions.

This should be great fun - please participate!

- David


--
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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Sun Jul 12 17:44:13 2009
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Sun Jul 12 17:45:05 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 - Icon survey
In-Reply-To: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
References: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EDEC486-E093-4F9E-88EE-9C301BC175DB@Web.DE>


Am 12.07.2009 um 01:00 schrieb David Reitter:

> please take part in our Icon survey


My vote is for icon #4. Here the E symbol is upright, in a readable  
shape, just as typed in (no graphics/camera input). The name  
"Aquamacs" is also well readable, different than in the other  
designs. It's a bit strange that the pen is obviously handled by a  
left-hander, member of a minority. A right-hander would lay it down  
like in icon #3.

Icon #12 is inadequate: GNU Emacs is no painting application. Icon #8  
looks good, in that ochre tint. Icons #9 and #13 are inadequate  
because of the dark background. Icon #11 shows a fringe design ? this  
stands for a modern version of GNU Emacs and represents wealth and a  
big size screen (then I can waste some part for the fringes). Icon #7  
is better than #14 because here all elements equally blurred. But #10  
might be the best one: useless Elisp is torn away, room is obtained  
for our necessities, room also for our imagination (Elisp code).  
Maybe the dull grey should be exchanged by friendly ochre. Icon #15  
could be that of a business card designer, icon #16 could be shown  
when chatting.

So it's #4 and a modified #10 or #8.

--
Mit friedvollen Grüßen

   Pete

Es ist, glaub' ich, nichts so heiß, wie's gerne scheinen möchte.



From ogus at math.berkeley.edu  Sun Jul 12 19:39:56 2009
From: ogus at math.berkeley.edu (Arthur Ogus)
Date: Sun Jul 12 19:56:06 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 - Icon survey
In-Reply-To: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
References: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C83198C0-CE2C-431C-A655-36A593F96C06@math.berkeley.edu>



Dear David,

Can you keep the same icon (bison, icon number 6) for release 2.0?  I  
think it is by far the nicest.  The others looked cluttered and  
confused.  My second choice would be icon number 1,
but I think the bison should be bigger, and should perhaps replace the  
text.  Another thought would be to try to make an icon that harmonizes  
with the Skim icon, since these two
are often used together.

Thanks for the fantastic work on this great tool.

Arthur Ogus
Professor of mathematics
From olivier.marti at lsce.ipsl.fr  Mon Jul 13 04:28:35 2009
From: olivier.marti at lsce.ipsl.fr (Olivier Marti)
Date: Mon Jul 13 04:56:39 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 - Icon survey
In-Reply-To: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
References: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC7D18B6-8135-4219-86CB-C5DED83FC2AB@lsce.ipsl.fr>


>
>

In icon #1 and #2, aquamacs has not a strong enough presence and does  
not identify clearly Aquamacs. It's little better in icon #3, but not  
much. In icon #4, Aquamacs identity is better. Anyway, icon #6 is the  
best to identify quickly Aquamacs among other applications.

My first choice is then #6, and #4 is a change of icon is mandatory ?

Anyway, what distinguish Aquamacs among other application is the day  
to day work with it. Thanks for that wonderful work !

Olivier

-- 
Olivier Marti  mailto:olivier.marti[ad]lsce.ipsl.fr
Laboratoire des Sciences du Climat et de l'Environnement
Institut Pierre Simon Laplace
Laboratoire CEA-CNRS-UVSQ
Tel : +33 1 69 08 77 27 - Fax : +33 1 69 08 30 73
<http://www.ipsl.jussieu.fr/~omamce>
-----------------------------------------------
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A NEW EGU JOURNAL FOR
DESCRIPTIONS OF MODELS OF THE EARTH SYSTEM
http://www.geoscientific-model-development.net
-----------------------------------------------





From bonelake at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 07:27:12 2009
From: bonelake at gmail.com (Brad Miller)
Date: Mon Jul 13 07:49:03 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 - Icon survey
In-Reply-To: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
References: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e45086040907130427p4b0d3d86u7de0e235045835f8@mail.gmail.com>

I think # 1 is the nicest looking, but it does not stand out in my dock or
app switcher in day to day work.  It seems smaller than the other icons even
in your pictures.
Comparing it to the skim icon a couple of ideas:
1.  Could the whole clipboard be slightly enlarged?
2.  Make the gnu head bigger on the page.. more like the size of the pdf
patch in the skim icon.
3.  make the pen slightly bigger.

number 8 also seems like a good choice.  It too could be made to stand out
more with a larger gnu head.


Brad Miller
Computer Science, Luther College


On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM, David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Emacs and Aquamacs enthusiasts,
>
> please take part in our Icon survey - we'd like to get your feedback
> regarding candidates for the new application icon for Aquamacs 2.0, which is
> in development now.
>
> http://braeburn.aquamacs.org/aq-icons/
>
> It's most important that you tell me why you like or dislike certain icons.
>  I'm going to distill your comments to discuss them with the development
> team.  If all goes well, we're then going to choose a final candidate that
> will revised by its designer.  Note that a combination of the design
> elements of different icons is entirely possible, too.  Just let me know
> your suggestions.
>
> This should be great fun - please participate!
>
> - David
>
>
> --
> http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
> http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and
> support the Aquamacs Project!
> _____________________________________________________________
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From mcg at gilbert.org  Mon Jul 13 15:54:01 2009
From: mcg at gilbert.org (Michael Gilbert)
Date: Mon Jul 13 15:55:07 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] interaction between clipboard and kill-ring?
Message-ID: <8F7AEB65-DF26-48B8-9706-A8B92CEA2EF6@gilbert.org>

Hi --

I recently posted to this list about weird problems with refiling in  
Org-Mode on Aquamacs. I have since determined that it has something to  
do with the interaction between the Mac OS clipboard and the kill- 
ring. Basically, what I see happening is this:

I kill something in Aquamacs and then try to yank it elsewhere, using  
the orgmode refiling automation. I can't tell if it's killing properly  
at all. I do know that whatever it tries to yank is the last thing in  
the Mac OS clipboard. In this specific case, it's pretty much never  
the heading that I was trying to move.

Can anyone comment on how the kill-ring and clipboard interact? Or how  
I might further investigate this problem?

TIA.

-- Michael


Michael C. Gilbert -- mcg@gilbert.org

    The Gilbert Center -- http://gilbert.org
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        "There can be no joy of life without joy of work." -- Aquinas
From gnurser at googlemail.com  Mon Jul 13 16:14:49 2009
From: gnurser at googlemail.com (George Nurser)
Date: Mon Jul 13 16:46:46 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 - Icon survey
In-Reply-To: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
References: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1d1e6ea70907131314x558cd34djb0fc507e9694d45a@mail.gmail.com>

I would go for the present icon #6. It is simple, recognizable and uncluttered.

However, if you feel that a new icon is required to recognize the
merging of the cocoa port with the Aquamacs additions, then I guess #8
looks best, followed by #1. #2-5 are too fussy, with inelegant pens;
the e of emacs is I think unclear.

Perhaps the word emacs in the  splash screen font could appear
underneath the bison head in #8?

--George Nurser.

2009/7/12 David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>:
> Dear Emacs and Aquamacs enthusiasts,
>
> please take part in our Icon survey - we'd like to get your feedback
> regarding candidates for the new application icon for Aquamacs 2.0, which is
> in development now.
>
> http://braeburn.aquamacs.org/aq-icons/
>
> It's most important that you tell me why you like or dislike certain icons.
>  I'm going to distill your comments to discuss them with the development
> team.  If all goes well, we're then going to choose a final candidate that
> will revised by its designer.  Note that a combination of the design
> elements of different icons is entirely possible, too.  Just let me know
> your suggestions.
>
> This should be great fun - please participate!
>
> - David
>
>
> --
> http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
> http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and
> support the Aquamacs Project!
> _____________________________________________________________
> MacOSX-Emacs mailing list
> MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu
> http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs
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>
From vollmar at nf.mpg.de  Mon Jul 13 17:39:11 2009
From: vollmar at nf.mpg.de (Stefan Vollmar)
Date: Mon Jul 13 17:40:11 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 - Icon survey
In-Reply-To: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
References: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B7773CDF-8FDF-4979-9EE4-1BB4B71FBB88@nf.mpg.de>

Dear David,

On 12.07.2009, at 01:00, David Reitter wrote:

> please take part in our Icon survey - we'd like to get your feedback  
> regarding candidates for the new application icon for Aquamacs 2.0,  
> which is in development now.


My problem with the new icons is that they overemphasize "writing".  
Granted, Aquamacs is an "editor" - but it is a lot of other things at  
the same time: think org-mode or nXML-mode. I am also not fond of  
writing tools like cheap, blue biros (call me a snob; however, cheap  
pencils are fine with me). "Aquamacs" as text in the icon does not  
work well for smaller icons, this is particularly true for Icon #5. A  
minor point of criticism is the "white circle" in the animal's left  
horn. I certainly agree with Peter Dyballa that #12 is not suitable as  
Emacs is no painting application.

Icons #7-#14 suggest some sort of "artist's/college paper block"  
association. Maybe it is a personal thing, and I am apologizing  
immediately for this longish explanation - the "ripping things out  
nature" of these "paper collections" leaves a bad feeling with me and  
this is because I prefer a "lab-book" kind of document which works  
like a source code repository in
many respects.

I am actually quite fond of the current icon (and I would suggest to  
change some colouring details there). However, icon #4 is my favourite  
from the new collection (again, similar reasons as given by Peter  
Dyballa). Maybe with a different pen (I like pencils!) and a small  
cogwheel (or similar) to hint that this is a tool for way more than  
"just" writing.

Warm regards,
  Stefan
-- 
Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany
Tel.: +49-221-4726-213  FAX +49-221-4726-298
Tel.: +49-221-478-5713  Mobile: 0160-93874279
Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de   http://www.nf.mpg.de





From franconi at inf.unibz.it  Mon Jul 13 17:59:23 2009
From: franconi at inf.unibz.it (Enrico Franconi)
Date: Mon Jul 13 18:26:57 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 - Icon survey
In-Reply-To: <B7773CDF-8FDF-4979-9EE4-1BB4B71FBB88@nf.mpg.de>
References: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
	<B7773CDF-8FDF-4979-9EE4-1BB4B71FBB88@nf.mpg.de>
Message-ID: <130A4A0F-005C-49DE-9F21-E5AA986E1F31@inf.unibz.it>

I agree with the arguments below: I do prefer the current icon (#1).
--e.

On 13 Jul 2009, at 23:39, Stefan Vollmar wrote:

> Dear David,
>
> On 12.07.2009, at 01:00, David Reitter wrote:
>
>> please take part in our Icon survey - we'd like to get your  
>> feedback regarding candidates for the new application icon for  
>> Aquamacs 2.0, which is in development now.
>
>
> My problem with the new icons is that they overemphasize "writing".  
> Granted, Aquamacs is an "editor" - but it is a lot of other things  
> at the same time: think org-mode or nXML-mode. I am also not fond of  
> writing tools like cheap, blue biros (call me a snob; however, cheap  
> pencils are fine with me). "Aquamacs" as text in the icon does not  
> work well for smaller icons, this is particularly true for Icon #5.  
> A minor point of criticism is the "white circle" in the animal's  
> left horn. I certainly agree with Peter Dyballa that #12 is not  
> suitable as Emacs is no painting application.
>
> Icons #7-#14 suggest some sort of "artist's/college paper block"  
> association. Maybe it is a personal thing, and I am apologizing  
> immediately for this longish explanation - the "ripping things out  
> nature" of these "paper collections" leaves a bad feeling with me  
> and this is because I prefer a "lab-book" kind of document which  
> works like a source code repository in
> many respects.
>
> I am actually quite fond of the current icon (and I would suggest to  
> change some colouring details there). However, icon #4 is my  
> favourite from the new collection (again, similar reasons as given  
> by Peter Dyballa). Maybe with a different pen (I like pencils!) and  
> a small cogwheel (or similar) to hint that this is a tool for way  
> more than "just" writing.
>
> Warm regards,
> Stefan
> -- 
> Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
> Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
> Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany
> Tel.: +49-221-4726-213  FAX +49-221-4726-298
> Tel.: +49-221-478-5713  Mobile: 0160-93874279
> Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de   http://www.nf.mpg.de
>
>
>
>
>
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From tsd at tsdye.com  Mon Jul 13 18:48:37 2009
From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
Date: Mon Jul 13 18:57:19 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 - Icon survey
In-Reply-To: <130A4A0F-005C-49DE-9F21-E5AA986E1F31@inf.unibz.it>
References: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
	<B7773CDF-8FDF-4979-9EE4-1BB4B71FBB88@nf.mpg.de>
	<130A4A0F-005C-49DE-9F21-E5AA986E1F31@inf.unibz.it>
Message-ID: <90C72463-A5BC-4C93-A2D0-C54547AE76D4@tsdye.com>

You can understand why an archaeologist would agree and vote for the  
old icon.  I like Stefan's suggestion of a change in color--perhaps  
aqua?

All the best,
Tom

Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
http://www.tsdye.com


On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Enrico Franconi wrote:

> I agree with the arguments below: I do prefer the current icon (#1).
> --e.
>
> On 13 Jul 2009, at 23:39, Stefan Vollmar wrote:
>
>> Dear David,
>>
>> On 12.07.2009, at 01:00, David Reitter wrote:
>>
>>> please take part in our Icon survey - we'd like to get your  
>>> feedback regarding candidates for the new application icon for  
>>> Aquamacs 2.0, which is in development now.
>>
>>
>> My problem with the new icons is that they overemphasize "writing".  
>> Granted, Aquamacs is an "editor" - but it is a lot of other things  
>> at the same time: think org-mode or nXML-mode. I am also not fond  
>> of writing tools like cheap, blue biros (call me a snob; however,  
>> cheap pencils are fine with me). "Aquamacs" as text in the icon  
>> does not work well for smaller icons, this is particularly true for  
>> Icon #5. A minor point of criticism is the "white circle" in the  
>> animal's left horn. I certainly agree with Peter Dyballa that #12  
>> is not suitable as Emacs is no painting application.
>>
>> Icons #7-#14 suggest some sort of "artist's/college paper block"  
>> association. Maybe it is a personal thing, and I am apologizing  
>> immediately for this longish explanation - the "ripping things out  
>> nature" of these "paper collections" leaves a bad feeling with me  
>> and this is because I prefer a "lab-book" kind of document which  
>> works like a source code repository in
>> many respects.
>>
>> I am actually quite fond of the current icon (and I would suggest  
>> to change some colouring details there). However, icon #4 is my  
>> favourite from the new collection (again, similar reasons as given  
>> by Peter Dyballa). Maybe with a different pen (I like pencils!) and  
>> a small cogwheel (or similar) to hint that this is a tool for way  
>> more than "just" writing.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Stefan
>> -- 
>> Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
>> Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
>> Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany
>> Tel.: +49-221-4726-213  FAX +49-221-4726-298
>> Tel.: +49-221-478-5713  Mobile: 0160-93874279
>> Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de   http://www.nf.mpg.de
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____________________________________________________________
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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Tue Jul 14 03:50:54 2009
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Tue Jul 14 03:51:50 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 - Icon survey
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Am 14.07.2009 um 00:48 schrieb Thomas S. Dye:

> I like Stefan's suggestion of a change in color--perhaps aqua?


You mean: Bondi blue?

--
Greetings

   Pete

No matter which way you ride, it's uphill and against the wind.
				? First Law of Bicycling

From joseph.slater at wright.edu  Tue Jul 14 10:14:36 2009
From: joseph.slater at wright.edu (Joseph C. Slater PE, PhD)
Date: Tue Jul 14 11:15:35 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 - Icon survey
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On Jul 13, 2009, at 5:59 PM, Enrico Franconi wrote:

>> Dear David,
>>
>> On 12.07.2009, at 01:00, David Reitter wrote:
>>
>>> please take part in our Icon survey - we'd like to get your  
>>> feedback regarding candidates for the new application icon for  
>>> Aquamacs 2.0, which is in development now.
>>
>>
>> My problem with the new icons is that they overemphasize "writing".  
>> Granted, Aquamacs is an "editor" - but it is a lot of other things  
>> at the same time: think org-mode or nXML-mode. I am also not fond  
>> of writing tools like cheap, blue biros (call me a snob; however,  
>> cheap pencils are fine with me). "Aquamacs" as text in the icon  
>> does not work well for smaller icons, this is particularly true for  
>> Icon #5. A minor point of criticism is the "white circle" in the  
>> animal's left horn. I certainly agree with Peter Dyballa that #12  
>> is not suitable as Emacs is no painting application.
>>
>> Icons #7-#14 suggest some sort of "artist's/college paper block"  
>> association. Maybe it is a personal thing, and I am apologizing  
>> immediately for this longish explanation - the "ripping things out  
>> nature" of these "paper collections" leaves a bad feeling with me  
>> and this is because I prefer a "lab-book" kind of document which  
>> works like a source code repository in
>> many respects.
>>
>> I am actually quite fond of the current icon (and I would suggest  
>> to change some colouring details there). However, icon #4 is my  
>> favourite from the new collection (again, similar reasons as given  
>> by Peter Dyballa). Maybe with a different pen (I like pencils!) and  
>> a small cogwheel (or similar) to hint that this is a tool for way  
>> more than "just" writing.
>>
> I agree with the arguments below: I do prefer the current icon (#1).
> --e.
>
> On 13 Jul 2009, at 23:39, Stefan Vollmar wrote:
>

I thought that I would be alone so I said nothing. I think that the  
simpler the better. the detail actually obscures the icons because  
they are so small. The current icon is very very distinct from  
anything else in my doc and thus is the most useful.
Joe
From tsd at tsdye.com  Tue Jul 14 12:30:20 2009
From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
Date: Tue Jul 14 12:57:56 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 - Icon survey
In-Reply-To: <73221B0C-5E9D-48FE-ADD6-938C945D6131@Web.DE>
References: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
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On Jul 13, 2009, at 9:50 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote:

>>
>> I like Stefan's suggestion of a change in color--perhaps aqua?
>
>
> You mean: Bondi blue?

Yes, thank you for the precise name, new to me.

Tom
From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Tue Jul 14 13:28:24 2009
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Tue Jul 14 13:29:20 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 - Icon survey
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Am 14.07.2009 um 18:30 schrieb Thomas S. Dye:

> Yes, thank you for the precise name, new to me.

This colour was used for the first iMacs?

--
Greetings

   Pete

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary  
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
		-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

From cesareo at cesareox.com  Tue Jul 14 17:56:25 2009
From: cesareo at cesareox.com (=?UTF-8?B?Q2VzYXJlbyBHYXJjacKSYSBSb2RpY2lv?=)
Date: Tue Jul 14 18:15:23 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 - Icon survey
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References: <0E831856-9026-4A9F-B2AB-D45746061BA4@gmail.com>
	<e45086040907130427p4b0d3d86u7de0e235045835f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A5CFF09.5050002@cesareox.com>

Dear David:

I prefer #6 (Aquamacs 1.x series) because it's simple and bind it with 
GNU Emacs. In my opinion using pencils, notebooks or a keyboard only add 
some confussion.

Perhaps improving color (or shape, transparencies or similar) could be a 
good alternative, but I'm not a designer so :-)

Anyway, whatever icon set you choose, I keep using Aquaemacs ;-)

Regards
Cesáreo
www.cesareox.com


Brad Miller escribió:
> I think # 1 is the nicest looking, but it does not stand out in my dock 
> or app switcher in day to day work.  It seems smaller than the other 
> icons even in your pictures.
> 
> Comparing it to the skim icon a couple of ideas:
> 1.  Could the whole clipboard be slightly enlarged?
> 2.  Make the gnu head bigger on the page.. more like the size of the pdf 
> patch in the skim icon.
> 3.  make the pen slightly bigger.
> 
> number 8 also seems like a good choice.  It too could be made to stand 
> out more with a larger gnu head.
> 
> 
> Brad Miller
> Computer Science, Luther College
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM, David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com 
> <mailto:david.reitter@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Dear Emacs and Aquamacs enthusiasts,
> 
>     please take part in our Icon survey - we'd like to get your feedback
>     regarding candidates for the new application icon for Aquamacs 2.0,
>     which is in development now.
> 
>     http://braeburn.aquamacs.org/aq-icons/
> 
>     It's most important that you tell me why you like or dislike certain
>     icons.  I'm going to distill your comments to discuss them with the
>     development team.  If all goes well, we're then going to choose a
>     final candidate that will revised by its designer.  Note that a
>     combination of the design elements of different icons is entirely
>     possible, too.  Just let me know your suggestions.
> 
>     This should be great fun - please participate!
> 
>     - David
> 
> 
>     --
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From vollmar at nf.mpg.de  Tue Jul 14 18:15:14 2009
From: vollmar at nf.mpg.de (Stefan Vollmar)
Date: Tue Jul 14 18:42:01 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] find-file force frame selection (2)
Message-ID: <EFF2169F-C1FC-4711-9C29-0DBCC674FB49@nf.mpg.de>

Hello,

> From: Stefan Vollmar <vollmar@nf.mpg.de>
> Date: 28. Januar 2009 21:49:45 MEZ
> To: Emacs on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-emacs@email.esm.psu.edu>
> Subject: Aquamacs 1.6: find-file force frame selection?

> I observed the following behaviour in the current Aquamacs release  
> (1.6): on my large screen I like to have two or more frames next to  
> each other. Each of them usually has a number of tabs. Consider two  
> frames ("left" and "right"). If I active frame "left" and do a find- 
> file, I expect the resulting buffer to be displayed in frame "left",  
> vice versa for a find-file in frame "right". However, if the file I  
> select happens to have an associated tab in the other frame,  
> Aquamacs will activate the "wrong" frame and bring the corresponding  
> tab to the front. This is not necessarily a bug but different from  
> what I expect - I would prefer Aquamacs to always use the frame  
> where I execute the find-file for displaying the associated buffer  
> (and tab).

I believe this is still the default behaviour in the current Aquamacs  
release. I think it was mentioned that in future releases this can be  
customized. What do I have to do?

Many thanks in advance.
Warm regards,
  Stefan
-- 
Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
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From vollmar at nf.mpg.de  Tue Jul 14 18:40:46 2009
From: vollmar at nf.mpg.de (Stefan Vollmar)
Date: Tue Jul 14 19:42:31 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] order of tabs follows last-visited buffers?
Message-ID: <13F40252-6102-45A9-8307-7BDB05CA5382@nf.mpg.de>

Hello,

sorry if this has already been discussed. In the Aquamacs 1.8 release,  
I observed the following behaviour: if I open files in many buffers,  
there is only a limited number of tabs visible (naturally) and,  
usually, there is not enough space to show all buffers next to each  
other. If I visit one of the buffers on the left-hand side of the  
list, tabs are scrolled appropriately so I can see the tab  
corresponding to the current buffer. If I then visit one of the  
buffers on the extreme right-hand side of the list, I see the same  
behaviour for the second buffer: the list of tabs is scrolled  
(correctly).

However, the order of tabs remains the same and I would prefer a  
different approach: I find that I have always lots of buffers opened  
in Aquamacs but quite often focus on editing groups of few buffers  
(e.g. copying between them, looking up references; files belonging to  
different projects and/or different contexts: latex vs programming).  
For this (possibly quite common) workflow it would be much better if  
the order of tabs changed when visiting a buffer so that the order of  
tabs reflects the order of last visited buffers. This would  
dramatically increase chances that the buffer I am looking for is  
currently visible (i.e. immediately clickable) in the tab bar.

Maybe there is a better way to organize my buffers and I am using tabs  
all wrong?

Many thanks in advance.
Warm regards,
  Stefan
-- 
Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany
Tel.: +49-221-4726-213  FAX +49-221-4726-298
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From mcg at gilbert.org  Tue Jul 14 20:22:30 2009
From: mcg at gilbert.org (Michael Gilbert)
Date: Tue Jul 14 20:23:46 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] (does anyone here have knowledge of the) interaction
	between clipboard and kill-ring?
Message-ID: <91A8D4D3-7EB8-46EA-BFE7-14950A8C4F68@gilbert.org>

Hi --

I'm wondering if there is some place else I should turn for knowledge  
about the interaction between the Mac OS clipboard and the Aquamacs  
kill-ring. Is this an obvious issue that I missed in the FAQ? (I hope  
I didn't, but I might have overlooked it.)

This is what I was asking:


I recently posted to this list about weird problems with refiling in  
Org-Mode on Aquamacs. I have since determined that it has something to  
do with the interaction between the Mac OS clipboard and the kill- 
ring. Basically, what I see happening is this:

I kill something in Aquamacs and then try to yank it elsewhere, using  
the orgmode refiling automation. I can't tell if it's killing properly  
at all. I do know that whatever it tries to yank is the last thing in  
the Mac OS clipboard. In this specific case, it's pretty much never  
the heading that I was trying to move.

Can anyone comment on how the kill-ring and clipboard interact? Or how  
I might further investigate this problem?

TIA.

-- Michael


From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 23:15:04 2009
From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham)
Date: Tue Jul 14 23:42:04 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] (does anyone here have knowledge of the) interaction
	between clipboard and kill-ring?
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References: <91A8D4D3-7EB8-46EA-BFE7-14950A8C4F68@gilbert.org>
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Michael Gilbert <mcg@gilbert.org> wrote:

>
> Can anyone comment on how the kill-ring and clipboard interact? Or how I
> might further investigate this problem?
>
>
I don't know what's going on in detail, but Aquamacs is using the system
clipboard for pasting = yanking.  From the directory Aquamacs
Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/,
grep -r "yank" .
or similar ("clipboard", "kill-ring") brings up several likely candidates.
There is some cut-and-paste support coded into site-lisp/macosx/osxkeys.el,
maybe that will help.

--Nathaniel
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From mcg at gilbert.org  Wed Jul 15 03:08:04 2009
From: mcg at gilbert.org (Michael Gilbert)
Date: Wed Jul 15 03:09:04 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] (does anyone here have knowledge of the) interaction
	between clipboard and kill-ring?
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On Jul 14,2009, at 8:15 PM, Nathaniel Cunningham wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Michael Gilbert <mcg@gilbert.org>  
> wrote:
>
> Can anyone comment on how the kill-ring and clipboard interact? Or  
> how I might further investigate this problem?
>
>
> I don't know what's going on in detail, but Aquamacs is using the  
> system clipboard for pasting = yanking.  From the directory Aquamacs  
> Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/,
> grep -r "yank" . or similar ("clipboard", "kill-ring") brings up  
> several likely candidates.  There is some cut-and-paste support  
> coded into site-lisp/macosx/osxkeys.el, maybe that will help.

Thank you, Nathaniel. That got me looking. Using C-h v kill-ring, I  
viewed its contents. A bit hard to read, but from what it looks like  
there is some sort of weird interlacing of the Mac OS clipboard and  
regular kill-ring contents.  BUT I know for a fact stuff is NOT  
getting killed into the clipboard, since I can look at the clipboard  
contents (or paste it elsewhere) and it's the last thing Cut or  
Copied, not the thing that was killed in Aquamacs.

I am very confused.

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From: markoilcan at gmail.com (M A)
Date: Wed Jul 15 11:54:24 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] (does anyone here have knowledge of the) interaction
	between clipboard and kill-ring?
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On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Michael Gilbert<mcg@gilbert.org> wrote:
> On Jul 14,2009, at 8:15 PM, Nathaniel Cunningham wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Michael Gilbert <mcg@gilbert.org> wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone comment on how the kill-ring and clipboard interact? Or how I
>> might further investigate this problem?
>>
>
> I don't know what's going on in detail, but Aquamacs is using the system
> clipboard for pasting = yanking.  From the directory Aquamacs
> Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/,
> grep -r "yank" . or similar ("clipboard", "kill-ring") brings up several
> likely candidates.  There is some cut-and-paste support coded into
> site-lisp/macosx/osxkeys.el, maybe that will help.
>
> Thank you, Nathaniel. That got me looking. Using C-h v kill-ring, I viewed
> its contents. A bit hard to read, but from what it looks like there is some
> sort of weird interlacing of the Mac OS clipboard and regular kill-ring
> contents.  BUT I know for a fact stuff is NOT getting killed into the
> clipboard, since I can look at the clipboard contents (or paste it
> elsewhere) and it's the last thing Cut or Copied, not the thing that was
> killed in Aquamacs.
> I am very confused.

Usually the thing to do is to try to reproduce the problem after setting emacs
to startup with no customizations etc (using the -Q option for
instance, or restarting
using the "restart aquamacs without customizations" menu item). Whether the
kill ring and system clipboard interact is usually determined by the variable
x-select-enable-clipboard, which can be customized, but the problem you
describe seems to go beyond just that.

Mark A
From david.reitter at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 12:15:48 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Wed Jul 15 12:43:43 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 2.0 - Icon survey
Message-ID: <584DF87B-E78C-4933-840B-F02A9881C1B7@gmail.com>

If you haven't participated in the survey, please send me an e-mail  
with your comments.

Do not reply to the list; I don't want to create an even bigger bias.   
I want your independent opinion.

===

Repeat message:

Dear Emacs and Aquamacs enthusiasts,

please take part in our Icon survey - we'd like to get your feedback  
regarding candidates for the new application icon for Aquamacs 2.0,  
which is in development now.

http://braeburn.aquamacs.org/aq-icons/

It's most important that you tell me why you like or dislike certain  
icons.  I'm going to distill your comments to discuss them with the  
development team.  If all goes well, we're then going to choose a  
final candidate that will revised by its designer.  Note that a  
combination of the design elements of different icons is entirely  
possible, too.  Just let me know your suggestions.

This should be great fun - please participate!

- David


--
http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and  
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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 14:03:03 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Thu Jul 16 14:36:45 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 2.0 icon survey - results
Message-ID: <28AF7AF0-5F80-4D5E-AE13-1DEA4CAE4CBA@gmail.com>

To those who participated in our icon survey: thank you.

The comments I received were diverse, and people picked a number of  
favorites.  However, the clear winner at this point is the current  
(Aquamacs 1.x series) icon, the brown gnu (yak/horse) head.

Now, there are two things to consider regarding this survey:  due to  
brand recognition, there must be a bias for the existing logo.   
Second, asking existing users for a ranking does not directly tell us  
what the best icon for a new Aquamacs is or which one would give us a  
bigger user base.  With these points in mind, I asked you also for  
your explanations in addition to a ranking.

Icon #6 is popular because it "stands out", i.e. is recognizable  
compared to other icons in the Dock.  Among the prevalent criticisms  
for icons 2-5 were that there is too much clutter, and that Mac icons  
normally don't communicate a message via a word (such as "Aquamacs").

Regarding the icons showing a notepad, especially #1, many  
participants expressed that they see Emacs / Aquamacs as so much more  
than just a notepad or a text editor.  And while they sounded positive  
about #1, they also pointed out that it is much less recognizable than  
#6.

Thanks again for your feedback.  I will initiate a discussion about  
the way forward on aquamacs-devel.  Join that mailing list to exchange  
your ideas.


-  David Reitter


--
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From ignoramus at gmx.de  Fri Jul 17 06:56:33 2009
From: ignoramus at gmx.de (Karl Maihofer)
Date: Fri Jul 17 07:11:41 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Font in Carbon Emacs (dark theme)
Message-ID: <4A6058E1.5070008@gmx.de>

Hi,

I'm new to MacOS (I used Debian until now) and installed the Carbon 
Emacs package some days ago. But I'm not really happy with the font when 
I use a dark theme. The standard font looks well on a white background. 
With a dark background the font looks very bold and a litte blurred.

Could perhaps anybody post a configuration for a well looking dark theme 
containing a nice clean font that i can paste to my ~/.emacs?

Thanks a lot!

Karl
From tsd at tsdye.com  Sun Jul 19 16:21:20 2009
From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
Date: Sun Jul 19 16:22:35 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] reftex configuration problem?
Message-ID: <02443D84-C7D8-42D2-AB41-1060C36FE671@tsdye.com>

Aloha all,

reftex index phrases doesn't behave as I expect.

\documentclass{article}

\begin{document}
Some text.
\end{document}

Ctrl-C \ on "text."  Mark entry as i.

% -*- mode: reftex-index-phrases; TeX-master: "test_reftex.tex" -*-
%                              Key      Macro Format            Repeat
%---------------------------------------------------------------------
INDEX_MACRO_DEFINITION:	i	\index{%s}          	t
INDEX_MACRO_DEFINITION:	g	\glossary{%s}       	t
%---------------------------------------------------------------------


i	text

Ctrl-C Ctrl-i indicates one match in one file.
Ctrl-C Ctrl-a ! replaces two occurrences

\documentc\index{text}text{article}

\begin{document}
Some \index{text}text.
\end{document}

Note the "replacement" in the top line of the file.

I posted this message to gnu.emacs.help and Ralf Angeli responded:

I cannot reproduce this issue with Emacs on GNU/Linux.  Does it work in
your case if you use Emacs (perhaps started with -Q) instead of
Aquamacs?

I launched Aquamacs like this:

"/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs" -q

and got the same results.

Perhaps reftex isn't configured properly in Aquamacs?

All the best,
Tom

Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
http://www.tsdye.com


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From mcg at gilbert.org  Sun Jul 19 20:55:56 2009
From: mcg at gilbert.org (Michael Gilbert)
Date: Sun Jul 19 20:57:15 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] (does anyone here have knowledge of the) interaction
	between clipboard and kill-ring?
In-Reply-To: <9ab34dfc0907150730m4819a42ds2e2a3bba4d1aa79a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <91A8D4D3-7EB8-46EA-BFE7-14950A8C4F68@gilbert.org>
	<20ecf6c70907142015p69d1f16bg5e42d6b6819dd6c@mail.gmail.com>
	<D5BF4617-A064-42FF-806A-2626BA193ABB@gilbert.org>
	<9ab34dfc0907150730m4819a42ds2e2a3bba4d1aa79a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC5DC5CA-4B7E-4B80-86D7-A4D25A978A83@gilbert.org>

>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Michael Gilbert <mcg@gilbert.org>  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can anyone comment on how the kill-ring and clipboard interact? Or  
>>> how I
>>> might further investigate this problem?
>>>
>>
>> I don't know what's going on in detail, but Aquamacs is using the  
>> system
>> clipboard for pasting = yanking.  From the directory Aquamacs
>> Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/,
>> grep -r "yank" . or similar ("clipboard", "kill-ring") brings up  
>> several
>> likely candidates.  There is some cut-and-paste support coded into
>> site-lisp/macosx/osxkeys.el, maybe that will help.
>>
>> Thank you, Nathaniel. That got me looking. Using C-h v kill-ring, I  
>> viewed
>> its contents. A bit hard to read, but from what it looks like there  
>> is some
>> sort of weird interlacing of the Mac OS clipboard and regular kill- 
>> ring
>> contents.  BUT I know for a fact stuff is NOT getting killed into the
>> clipboard, since I can look at the clipboard contents (or paste it
>> elsewhere) and it's the last thing Cut or Copied, not the thing  
>> that was
>> killed in Aquamacs.
>> I am very confused.
>
> Usually the thing to do is to try to reproduce the problem after  
> setting emacs
> to startup with no customizations etc (using the -Q option for
> instance, or restarting using the "restart aquamacs without  
> customizations" menu item). Whether the
> kill ring and system clipboard interact is usually determined by the  
> variable
> x-select-enable-clipboard, which can be customized, but the problem  
> you
> describe seems to go beyond just that.

Thank you, Mark! Did that, with a super simple test file. Exactly the  
same results.

Not sure where to go from here. Something is very off. Any other  
troubleshooting suggestions, anyone?

-- Michael

From ogus at math.berkeley.edu  Mon Jul 20 00:12:31 2009
From: ogus at math.berkeley.edu (Arthur Ogus)
Date: Mon Jul 20 00:14:11 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs Emacs 1.8
In-Reply-To: <827F179C-5291-45DE-83E5-FFCE4170E06C@gmail.com>
References: <827F179C-5291-45DE-83E5-FFCE4170E06C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <142FA0DD-102F-4006-A513-9B13741D316B@math.berkeley.edu>

Dear David,

I probably  won't be able to help you debug it, since I'm getting  
ready to leave for a conference, but I should report that when I tried  
to install
Aquamacs emacs 1.8 c2 on my laptop, I noticed that it said that a new  
feature was better handling of tex trees.  In fact I had the opposite  
experience,
I got warnings that local-variables were wrong, and it was unable to  
create any new buffers in latex mode at all.  reverting to 1.5 fixed  
the problem.


Best,

Arthur Ogus


On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:55 AM, David Reitter wrote:

> The Aquamacs Project has released Aquamacs Emacs 1.8, an improved  
> version of the leading Mac-friendly variant of the widely-used  
> editor GNU Emacs. It is a versatile, fast and mature editor for  
> source code, web pages, typesetting documents and all other forms of  
> text. Emacs is a text editor of legendary flexibility and has made  
> millions of programmers and writers more productive. Numerous  
> packages allow users to extend its functionality. Version 1.8  
> addresses issues reported by users and adds a function to select  
> tabs directly using numeric keys.
>
> Direct download link:
>
> 	http://aquamacs.org/download-release.shtml
>
> Change log and downloads:
>
> 	http://aquamacs.org/download.shtml#changelog
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> MacOSX-Emacs mailing list
> MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu
> http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs
> List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx

From thvv at multicians.org  Mon Jul 20 09:35:00 2009
From: thvv at multicians.org (Tom Van Vleck)
Date: Mon Jul 20 10:36:12 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 1.8 intermittent problems with command-C
Message-ID: <390CDD89-3B56-4A0B-B261-6C9B7D3D099C@multicians.org>

Ever since Aquamacs 1.8 came out,
I have noticed intermittent problems with
highlighting text and doing Command-C to copy it.

Just happened several times.
I am in CPerl-mode.
I dragged across a Perl subroutine and it highlighted.
I did Cmd-C to copy, Cmd-v to paste
(which should have pasted what I just copied, leaving no effect,
intending to next do a second Cmd-v to make a new subroutine)
what was pasted was the previous contents of the kill-ring.

The first few times this happened I thought, gee, maybe I
didn't do the cmd-C.  But I did a view-lossage (below) and
it is there.  You can see an A-c A-v A v where I duplicated
a function once and changed its name to "allhex", then
did another drag across the new function and A-c A-v.
What was pasted by the A-c was the name of the old function
that had been wiped out by double clicking and typing.

If I cmd-z cmd-c cmd-v again, the same error occurs.
If I re-highlight the function, Cmd-c, Cmd-v it will work OK.

It behaves as if sometimes Cmd-C will not copy a region
highlighted by dragging over it, and other times it will.


<mouse-movement> <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> A-c
A-v A-v <backspace> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <backspace>
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <double-down-mouse-1> <double-mouse-1>
a l l h e x <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <double-down-mouse-1>
<double-mouse-1> a l l h e x <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1>
<double-down-mouse-1> <double-mouse-1> a l l h e x
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> <mouse-movement> <mouse-movement>
<drag-mouse-1> A-c A-v M-x v i e w - l o s s a g e
<return>

From david.reitter at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 13:04:56 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Mon Jul 20 13:08:54 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 1.8 intermittent problems with command-C
In-Reply-To: <390CDD89-3B56-4A0B-B261-6C9B7D3D099C@multicians.org>
References: <390CDD89-3B56-4A0B-B261-6C9B7D3D099C@multicians.org>
Message-ID: <F4035017-79B6-48D5-AD99-CB0D4EE0C323@gmail.com>

Tom,

On Jul 20, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Tom Van Vleck wrote:

> Ever since Aquamacs 1.8 came out,
> I have noticed intermittent problems with
> highlighting text and doing Command-C to copy it.

seems like this is related to a change in version 1.8.

Please try the code below in your Preferences.el / .emacs and let me  
know if that fixes things for you.

Thanks for reporting this
- David


--
http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and  
support the Aquamacs Project!



(when (< aquamacs-version-id 183)
(defun clipboard-kill-ring-save (beg end)
   "Copy region to kill ring, and save in the X clipboard.
Do not copy region to kill ring if that would
result in a duplicate entry."
   (interactive "r")
   (when (or (not transient-mark-mode) mark-active)
     (let ((x-select-enable-clipboard t))
       (kill-ring-save beg end)
       (when (equal (car kill-ring) (cadr kill-ring))
	(setq kill-ring (cdr kill-ring))
	(if (fboundp 'menu-bar-update-yank-menu)
	    (menu-bar-update-yank-menu (car kill-ring) nil)))))))
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From thvv at multicians.org  Mon Jul 20 13:51:40 2009
From: thvv at multicians.org (Tom Van Vleck)
Date: Mon Jul 20 13:52:52 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 1.8 intermittent problems with command-C
In-Reply-To: <F4035017-79B6-48D5-AD99-CB0D4EE0C323@gmail.com>
References: <390CDD89-3B56-4A0B-B261-6C9B7D3D099C@multicians.org>
	<F4035017-79B6-48D5-AD99-CB0D4EE0C323@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F78AE89-62AF-4818-8B41-FFBB6E6CCFBA@multicians.org>

I installed that change into Preferences.el and restarted Aquamacs.
It still fails.  The A-v in the lossage below does not paste
the contents of the text highlighted by drag-mouse-1.
If anything, this change makes things worse.  It used to be that
re-highlighting the copy region would  allow cmd-c to work, but
now it still fails after re-highlighting.

<mouse-movement> <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> A-c
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> A-v A-z <down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement>
<mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> A-c <down-mouse-1>
<mouse-1> A-v A-z M-x v i e w - l o s s a g e <return>



On Jul 20, 2009, at 1:04 PM, David Reitter wrote:

> Tom,
>
> On Jul 20, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Tom Van Vleck wrote:
>
>> Ever since Aquamacs 1.8 came out,
>> I have noticed intermittent problems with
>> highlighting text and doing Command-C to copy it.
>
> seems like this is related to a change in version 1.8.
>
> Please try the code below in your Preferences.el / .emacs and let me  
> know if that fixes things for you.
>
> Thanks for reporting this
> - David
>
>
> --
> http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
> http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor  
> and support the Aquamacs Project!
>
>
>
> (when (< aquamacs-version-id 183)
> (defun clipboard-kill-ring-save (beg end)
>  "Copy region to kill ring, and save in the X clipboard.
> Do not copy region to kill ring if that would
> result in a duplicate entry."
>  (interactive "r")
>  (when (or (not transient-mark-mode) mark-active)
>    (let ((x-select-enable-clipboard t))
>      (kill-ring-save beg end)
>      (when (equal (car kill-ring) (cadr kill-ring))
> 	(setq kill-ring (cdr kill-ring))
> 	(if (fboundp 'menu-bar-update-yank-menu)
> 	    (menu-bar-update-yank-menu (car kill-ring)  
> nil 
> )))))))_____________________________________________________________
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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 14:02:39 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Mon Jul 20 14:03:57 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 1.8 intermittent problems with command-C
In-Reply-To: <1F78AE89-62AF-4818-8B41-FFBB6E6CCFBA@multicians.org>
References: <390CDD89-3B56-4A0B-B261-6C9B7D3D099C@multicians.org>
	<F4035017-79B6-48D5-AD99-CB0D4EE0C323@gmail.com>
	<1F78AE89-62AF-4818-8B41-FFBB6E6CCFBA@multicians.org>
Message-ID: <93F517E4-560F-442A-8DE5-2B228481815E@gmail.com>

OK, it's not deterministic.  Strange.
The piece of code below should work.  It's not a fix, but a workaround.

(when (< aquamacs-version-id 183)
(defun clipboard-kill-ring-save (beg end)
   "Copy region to kill ring, and save in the X clipboard.
Do not copy region to kill ring if that would
result in a duplicate entry."
   (interactive "r")
   (when (or (not transient-mark-mode) mark-active)
     (let ((x-select-enable-clipboard t))
       (kill-ring-save beg end)  ))))


On Jul 20, 2009, at 6:51 PM, Tom Van Vleck wrote:

> I installed that change into Preferences.el and restarted Aquamacs.
> It still fails.  The A-v in the lossage below does not paste
> the contents of the text highlighted by drag-mouse-1.
> If anything, this change makes things worse.  It used to be that
> re-highlighting the copy region would  allow cmd-c to work, but
> now it still fails after re-highlighting.
>
> <mouse-movement> <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> A-c
> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> A-v A-z <down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement>
> <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> A-c <down-mouse-1>
> <mouse-1> A-v A-z M-x v i e w - l o s s a g e <return>
>
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2009, at 1:04 PM, David Reitter wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Tom Van Vleck wrote:
>>
>>> Ever since Aquamacs 1.8 came out,
>>> I have noticed intermittent problems with
>>> highlighting text and doing Command-C to copy it.
>>
>> seems like this is related to a change in version 1.8.
>>
>> Please try the code below in your Preferences.el / .emacs and let  
>> me know if that fixes things for you.
>>
>> Thanks for reporting this
>> - David
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
>> http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor  
>> and support the Aquamacs Project!
>>
>>
>>
>> (when (< aquamacs-version-id 183)
>> (defun clipboard-kill-ring-save (beg end)
>> "Copy region to kill ring, and save in the X clipboard.
>> Do not copy region to kill ring if that would
>> result in a duplicate entry."
>> (interactive "r")
>> (when (or (not transient-mark-mode) mark-active)
>>   (let ((x-select-enable-clipboard t))
>>     (kill-ring-save beg end)
>>     (when (equal (car kill-ring) (cadr kill-ring))
>> 	(setq kill-ring (cdr kill-ring))
>> 	(if (fboundp 'menu-bar-update-yank-menu)
>> 	    (menu-bar-update-yank-menu (car kill-ring) nil))))))) 
>> _____________________________________________________________
>> MacOSX-Emacs mailing list
>> MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu
>> http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs
>> List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx
>
> _____________________________________________________________
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From tsd at tsdye.com  Mon Jul 20 22:31:57 2009
From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
Date: Mon Jul 20 22:59:51 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: reftex configuration problem?
References: <02443D84-C7D8-42D2-AB41-1060C36FE671@tsdye.com>
Message-ID: <1270091D-A31C-4DB5-BE2F-6C04C3378E73@tsdye.com>

Aloha all,

I installed Carbon Emacs and verified that the reftex behavior I  
reported below does not occur there.
It appears to be related to Aquamacs.

All the best

Tom

Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
http://www.tsdye.com


Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Thomas S. Dye" <tsd@tsdye.com>
> Date: July 19, 2009 10:21:20 AM HST
> To: Emacs on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-emacs@email.esm.psu.edu>
> Subject: reftex configuration problem?
>
> Aloha all,
>
> reftex index phrases doesn't behave as I expect.
>
> \documentclass{article}
>
> \begin{document}
> Some text.
> \end{document}
>
> Ctrl-C \ on "text."  Mark entry as i.
>
> % -*- mode: reftex-index-phrases; TeX-master: "test_reftex.tex" -*-
> %                              Key      Macro Format            Repeat
> %---------------------------------------------------------------------
> INDEX_MACRO_DEFINITION:	i	\index{%s}          	t
> INDEX_MACRO_DEFINITION:	g	\glossary{%s}       	t
> %---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> i	text
>
> Ctrl-C Ctrl-i indicates one match in one file.
> Ctrl-C Ctrl-a ! replaces two occurrences
>
> \documentc\index{text}text{article}
>
> \begin{document}
> Some \index{text}text.
> \end{document}
>
> Note the "replacement" in the top line of the file.
>
> I posted this message to gnu.emacs.help and Ralf Angeli responded:
>
> I cannot reproduce this issue with Emacs on GNU/Linux.  Does it work  
> in
> your case if you use Emacs (perhaps started with -Q) instead of
> Aquamacs?
>
> I launched Aquamacs like this:
>
> "/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs" -q
>
> and got the same results.
>
> Perhaps reftex isn't configured properly in Aquamacs?
>
> All the best,
> Tom
>
> Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
> T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
> Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
> http://www.tsdye.com
>
>

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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 02:05:51 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Tue Jul 21 03:19:42 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: reftex configuration problem?
In-Reply-To: <1270091D-A31C-4DB5-BE2F-6C04C3378E73@tsdye.com>
References: <02443D84-C7D8-42D2-AB41-1060C36FE671@tsdye.com>
	<1270091D-A31C-4DB5-BE2F-6C04C3378E73@tsdye.com>
Message-ID: <5FF3BFCC-0C35-46FE-8E29-0820D3DD76C7@gmail.com>

I don't use reftex much and can't tell from your message what the  
desired result would be, i.e. what the bug is.  All you are saying is  
"Note the "replacement" in the top line of the file.".

I don't think there is much in the way of configuration for reftex  
that Aquamacs provides.  What kind of configuration do you suggest?


--
http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and  
support the Aquamacs Project!


On Jul 21, 2009, at 3:31 AM, Thomas S. Dye wrote:

> Aloha all,
>
> I installed Carbon Emacs and verified that the reftex behavior I  
> reported below does not occur there.
> It appears to be related to Aquamacs.
>
> All the best
>
> Tom
>
> Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
> T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
> Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
> http://www.tsdye.com
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: "Thomas S. Dye" <tsd@tsdye.com>
>> Date: July 19, 2009 10:21:20 AM HST
>> To: Emacs on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-emacs@email.esm.psu.edu>
>> Subject: reftex configuration problem?
>>
>> Aloha all,
>>
>> reftex index phrases doesn't behave as I expect.
>>
>> \documentclass{article}
>>
>> \begin{document}
>> Some text.
>> \end{document}
>>
>> Ctrl-C \ on "text."  Mark entry as i.
>>
>> % -*- mode: reftex-index-phrases; TeX-master: "test_reftex.tex" -*-
>> %                              Key      Macro Format             
>> Repeat
>> %---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> INDEX_MACRO_DEFINITION:	i	\index{%s}          	t
>> INDEX_MACRO_DEFINITION:	g	\glossary{%s}       	t
>> %---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> i	text
>>
>> Ctrl-C Ctrl-i indicates one match in one file.
>> Ctrl-C Ctrl-a ! replaces two occurrences
>>
>> \documentc\index{text}text{article}
>>
>> \begin{document}
>> Some \index{text}text.
>> \end{document}
>>
>> Note the "replacement" in the top line of the file.
>>
>> I posted this message to gnu.emacs.help and Ralf Angeli responded:
>>
>> I cannot reproduce this issue with Emacs on GNU/Linux.  Does it  
>> work in
>> your case if you use Emacs (perhaps started with -Q) instead of
>> Aquamacs?
>>
>> I launched Aquamacs like this:
>>
>> "/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs" -q
>>
>> and got the same results.
>>
>> Perhaps reftex isn't configured properly in Aquamacs?
>>
>> All the best,
>> Tom

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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 05:41:26 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Tue Jul 21 05:42:44 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 1.8 intermittent problems with command-C
In-Reply-To: <1F78AE89-62AF-4818-8B41-FFBB6E6CCFBA@multicians.org>
References: <390CDD89-3B56-4A0B-B261-6C9B7D3D099C@multicians.org>
	<F4035017-79B6-48D5-AD99-CB0D4EE0C323@gmail.com>
	<1F78AE89-62AF-4818-8B41-FFBB6E6CCFBA@multicians.org>
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I reverted the change below, made in 1.8, in order to address this  
issue.
There will be an Aquamacs 1.9 eventually to incorporate this and other  
fixes.


===
\item Command-C (clipboard-kill-ring-save) will take care not to  
create duplicate entries in the kill ring.
Reported by Konrad Podczeck.
====


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On Jul 20, 2009, at 6:51 PM, Tom Van Vleck wrote:

> I installed that change into Preferences.el and restarted Aquamacs.
> It still fails.  The A-v in the lossage below does not paste
> the contents of the text highlighted by drag-mouse-1.
> If anything, this change makes things worse.  It used to be that
> re-highlighting the copy region would  allow cmd-c to work, but
> now it still fails after re-highlighting.
>
> <mouse-movement> <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> A-c
> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> A-v A-z <down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement>
> <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> A-c <down-mouse-1>
> <mouse-1> A-v A-z M-x v i e w - l o s s a g e <return>
>
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2009, at 1:04 PM, David Reitter wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Tom Van Vleck wrote:
>>
>>> Ever since Aquamacs 1.8 came out,
>>> I have noticed intermittent problems with
>>> highlighting text and doing Command-C to copy it.
>>
>> seems like this is related to a change in version 1.8.
>>
>> Please try the code below in your Preferences.el / .emacs and let  
>> me know if that fixes things for you.
>>
>> Thanks for reporting this
>> - David
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor  
>> and support the Aquamacs Project!
>>
>>
>>
>> (when (< aquamacs-version-id 183)
>> (defun clipboard-kill-ring-save (beg end)
>> "Copy region to kill ring, and save in the X clipboard.
>> Do not copy region to kill ring if that would
>> result in a duplicate entry."
>> (interactive "r")
>> (when (or (not transient-mark-mode) mark-active)
>>   (let ((x-select-enable-clipboard t))
>>     (kill-ring-save beg end)
>>     (when (equal (car kill-ring) (cadr kill-ring))
>> 	(setq kill-ring (cdr kill-ring))
>> 	(if (fboundp 'menu-bar-update-yank-menu)
>> 	    (menu-bar-update-yank-menu (car kill-ring) nil))))))) 
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From tsd at tsdye.com  Tue Jul 21 11:21:51 2009
From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
Date: Tue Jul 21 11:49:48 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: reftex configuration problem?
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In the example, reftex is supposed to take the string "text" from the  
*.rip file and replace all instances of the string in a document's  
*.tex file(s) with some sort of indexing markup, indicated by the  
possibilities listed at the top of the *.rip file and indexed by the  
letter at the start of the line that contains "text" in the *.rip  
file.  Reftex summarizes what it intends to do when given the Ctrl-x,  
Ctrl-i command; in this example it says it will replace one instance  
of "text" with "\index{text}text".  What happens, only in Aquamacs and  
not in Carbon Emacs on the Mac or in emacs running on Gnu/Linux, is  
that more than one "replacement" is made, with the additional,  
spurious "replacements" made near the top of the file.  In the  
instance I reported below, there is one spurious replacement; this  
number is variable, however, and I have had up to three or four  
spurious replacements in Aquamacs, one following the other near the  
top of the file, as in the example below.

If this is not some kind of configuration problem (I agree with you  
that it probably is not), then the mechanism that reftex uses to keep  
track of replacement targets either relies on emacs behavior that  
Aquamacs changes, or the mechanism itself, perhaps a list of file  
names and offsets, gets hosed somewhere between reporting what it is  
going to do and actually doing it.  If this is what happens, then my  
tests and Ralf Angeli's report indicate that it is Aquamacs doing the  
hosing, rather than the underlying emacs.

I'm afraid I can't suggest anything in the way of a fix.  I read a  
couple of Paul Graham's Lisp books shortly after they were published  
when I was programming in a dialect, now defunct, called Lisp-Stat,  
but my efforts there were fairly crude, far short of the skill level  
needed to contribute to efforts along the lines of emacs, reftex, and  
Aquamacs, which are all terrific (and complex) pieces of software.

All the best,
Tom

Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
http://www.tsdye.com


On Jul 20, 2009, at 8:05 PM, David Reitter wrote:

> I don't use reftex much and can't tell from your message what the  
> desired result would be, i.e. what the bug is.  All you are saying  
> is "Note the "replacement" in the top line of the file.".
>
> I don't think there is much in the way of configuration for reftex  
> that Aquamacs provides.  What kind of configuration do you suggest?
>
>
> --
> http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
> http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor  
> and support the Aquamacs Project!
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2009, at 3:31 AM, Thomas S. Dye wrote:
>
>> Aloha all,
>>
>> I installed Carbon Emacs and verified that the reftex behavior I  
>> reported below does not occur there.
>> It appears to be related to Aquamacs.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
>> T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
>> Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
>> http://www.tsdye.com
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: "Thomas S. Dye" <tsd@tsdye.com>
>>> Date: July 19, 2009 10:21:20 AM HST
>>> To: Emacs on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-emacs@email.esm.psu.edu>
>>> Subject: reftex configuration problem?
>>>
>>> Aloha all,
>>>
>>> reftex index phrases doesn't behave as I expect.
>>>
>>> \documentclass{article}
>>>
>>> \begin{document}
>>> Some text.
>>> \end{document}
>>>
>>> Ctrl-C \ on "text."  Mark entry as i.
>>>
>>> % -*- mode: reftex-index-phrases; TeX-master: "test_reftex.tex" -*-
>>> %                              Key      Macro Format             
>>> Repeat
>>> %---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> INDEX_MACRO_DEFINITION:	i	\index{%s}          	t
>>> INDEX_MACRO_DEFINITION:	g	\glossary{%s}       	t
>>> %---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> i	text
>>>
>>> Ctrl-C Ctrl-i indicates one match in one file.
>>> Ctrl-C Ctrl-a ! replaces two occurrences
>>>
>>> \documentc\index{text}text{article}
>>>
>>> \begin{document}
>>> Some \index{text}text.
>>> \end{document}
>>>
>>> Note the "replacement" in the top line of the file.
>>>
>>> I posted this message to gnu.emacs.help and Ralf Angeli responded:
>>>
>>> I cannot reproduce this issue with Emacs on GNU/Linux.  Does it  
>>> work in
>>> your case if you use Emacs (perhaps started with -Q) instead of
>>> Aquamacs?
>>>
>>> I launched Aquamacs like this:
>>>
>>> "/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs" -q
>>>
>>> and got the same results.
>>>
>>> Perhaps reftex isn't configured properly in Aquamacs?
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Tom
>
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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 12:48:10 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Tue Jul 21 12:49:27 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: reftex configuration problem?
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Thank you, I understand now.

The problem is that in `reftex-query-index-phrase', the call to `read- 
char-exclusive'  destroys the match-string, resulting in the wrong  
region being modified.

This seems to occur in read_filtered_event(), but I don't know why and  
where.

Wrapping the call to read-char-exclusive in `save-match-string'  
prevents the bug (see below), but of course if would be interesting to  
see why the match string gets destroyed in the first place.  I haven't  
found anything obvious in Aquamacs (use of "search-forward"), so it's  
got to be some form of configuration that we're using.

FWIW It's almost certainly a bug in the underlying Emacs.


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(defun reftex-query-index-phrase (phrase macro-fmt &optional
                                          index-key repeat as-words)
   "Search through buffer for PHRASE, and offer to replace it with an  
indexed
version.  The index version is derived by applying `format' with MACRO- 
FMT
to INDEX-KEY or PHRASE.  When REPEAT is non-nil, the PHRASE is inserted
again after the macro.
AS-WORDS means, the search for PHRASE should require word boundaries at
both ends."
   (let* ((re (reftex-index-make-phrase-regexp phrase as-words 'allow- 
newline))
          (case-fold-search reftex-index-phrases-case-fold-search)
          (index-keys (split-string
                       (or index-key phrase)
                       reftex-index-phrases-logical-or-regexp))
          (nkeys (length index-keys))
          (ckey (nth 0 index-keys))
          (all-yes nil)
          match rpl char (beg (make-marker)) (end (make-marker)) mathp)
     (move-marker beg 1)
     (move-marker end 1)
     (unwind-protect
         (while (re-search-forward re nil t)
           (catch 'next-match
             (if (reftex-in-comment)
                 (throw 'next-match nil))
             (if (and (fboundp reftex-index-verify-function)
                      (not (funcall reftex-index-verify-function)))
                 (throw 'next-match nil))
             (setq match (match-string 0))
             (setq mathp
                   (save-match-data
                     (condition-case nil (texmathp) (error nil))))
             (setq beg (move-marker beg (match-beginning 0))
                   end (move-marker end (match-end 0)))
             (if (and reftex-index-phrases-skip-indexed-matches
                      (save-match-data
                        (reftex-index-phrase-match-is-indexed beg
                                                              end)))
                 (throw 'next-match nil))
             (reftex-highlight 0 (match-beginning 0) (match-end 0))
             (setq rpl
                   (save-match-data
                     (reftex-index-make-replace-string
                      macro-fmt (match-string 0) ckey repeat mathp)))
             (while
                 (not
                  (catch 'loop
                    (message "REPLACE: %s?   (yn!qoe%s?)"
                             rpl
                             (if (> nkeys 1)
                                 (concat "1-" (int-to-string nkeys))
                               ""))
		   (setq char (if all-yes ?y
				(save-match-data (read-char-exclusive))))
                    (cond ((member char '(?y ?Y ?\ ))
                           ;; Yes!
                           (replace-match rpl t t)
                           (incf replace-count)
                           ;; See if we should insert newlines to  
shorten lines
                           (and reftex-index-phrases-wrap-long-lines
                                (reftex-index-phrases-fixup-line beg  
end))
                           (throw 'loop t))
                          ((member char '(?n ?N ?\C-h ?\C-?));; FIXME:  
DEL
                           ;; No
                           (throw 'loop t))
                          ((equal char ?!)
                           ;; Yes for all in this buffer
                           (setq all-yes t))
                          ((equal char ?q)
                           ;; Stop this one in this file
                           (goto-char (point-max))
                           (throw 'loop t))
                          ((equal char ?Q)
                           ;; Stop this one
                           (throw 'no-more-files t))
                          ((equal char ?s)
                           (save-buffer))
                          ((equal char ?S)
                           (reftex-save-all-document-buffers))
                          ((equal char ?\C-g)
                           (keyboard-quit))
                          ((member char '(?o ?O))
                           ;; Select a differnt macro
                           (let* ((nc (reftex-index-select-phrases- 
macro 2))
                                  (macro-data
                                   (cdr (assoc nc reftex-index-phrases- 
macro-data)))
                                  (macro-fmt (car macro-data))
                                  (repeat (nth 1 macro-data)))
                             (if macro-data
                                 (setq rpl (save-match-data
                                             (reftex-index-make- 
replace-string
                                              macro-fmt match
                                              ckey repeat mathp)))
                               (ding))))
                          ((equal char ?\?)
                           ;; Help
                           (with-output-to-temp-buffer "*Help*"
                             (princ reftex-index-phrases-help)))
                          ((equal char ?\C-r)
                           ;; Recursive edit
                           (save-match-data
                             (save-excursion
                               (message "%s"
                                (substitute-command-keys
                                 "Recursive edit.  Resume with \\[exit-recursive-edit] 
"))
                               (recursive-edit))))
                          ((equal char ?e)
                           (setq rpl (read-string "Edit: " rpl)))
                          ((equal char ?0)
                           (setq ckey (or index-key phrase)
                                 rpl (save-match-data
                                       (reftex-index-make-replace-string
                                        macro-fmt match ckey repeat  
mathp))))
                          ((and (> char ?0)
                                (<= char (+ ?0 nkeys)))
                           (setq ckey (nth (1- (- char ?0)) index-keys)
                                 rpl (save-match-data
                                       (reftex-index-make-replace-string
                                        macro-fmt match ckey repeat  
mathp))))
                          (t (ding)))
                    nil)))))
       (message "")
       (move-marker beg nil)
       (move-marker end nil)
       (setq all-yes nil)
       (reftex-unhighlight 0))))





On Jul 21, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote:

> In the example, reftex is supposed to take the string "text" from  
> the *.rip file and replace all instances of the string in a  
> document's *.tex file(s) with some sort of indexing markup,  
> indicated by the possibilities listed at the top of the *.rip file  
> and indexed by the letter at the start of the line that contains  
> "text" in the *.rip file.  Reftex summarizes what it intends to do  
> when given the Ctrl-x, Ctrl-i command; in this example it says it  
> will replace one instance of "text" with "\index{text}text".  What  
> happens, only in Aquamacs and not in Carbon Emacs on the Mac or in  
> emacs running on Gnu/Linux, is that more than one "replacement" is  
> made, with the additional, spurious "replacements" made near the top  
> of the file.  In the instance I reported below, there is one  
> spurious replacement; this number is variable, however, and I have  
> had up to three or four spurious replacements in Aquamacs, one  
> following the other near the top of the file, as in the example below.
>
> If this is not some kind of configuration problem (I agree with you  
> that it probably is not), then the mechanism that reftex uses to  
> keep track of replacement targets either relies on emacs behavior  
> that Aquamacs changes, or the mechanism itself, perhaps a list of  
> file names and offsets, gets hosed somewhere between reporting what  
> it is going to do and actually doing it.  If this is what happens,  
> then my tests and Ralf Angeli's report indicate that it is Aquamacs  
> doing the hosing, rather than the underlying emacs.
>
> I'm afraid I can't suggest anything in the way of a fix.  I read a  
> couple of Paul Graham's Lisp books shortly after they were published  
> when I was programming in a dialect, now defunct, called Lisp-Stat,  
> but my efforts there were fairly crude, far short of the skill level  
> needed to contribute to efforts along the lines of emacs, reftex,  
> and Aquamacs, which are all terrific (and complex) pieces of software.
>
> All the best,
> Tom
>
> Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
> T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
> Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
> http://www.tsdye.com
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2009, at 8:05 PM, David Reitter wrote:
>
>> I don't use reftex much and can't tell from your message what the  
>> desired result would be, i.e. what the bug is.  All you are saying  
>> is "Note the "replacement" in the top line of the file.".
>>
>> I don't think there is much in the way of configuration for reftex  
>> that Aquamacs provides.  What kind of configuration do you suggest?
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
>> http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor  
>> and support the Aquamacs Project!
>>
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2009, at 3:31 AM, Thomas S. Dye wrote:
>>
>>> Aloha all,
>>>
>>> I installed Carbon Emacs and verified that the reftex behavior I  
>>> reported below does not occur there.
>>> It appears to be related to Aquamacs.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
>>> T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
>>> Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
>>> http://www.tsdye.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> From: "Thomas S. Dye" <tsd@tsdye.com>
>>>> Date: July 19, 2009 10:21:20 AM HST
>>>> To: Emacs on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-emacs@email.esm.psu.edu>
>>>> Subject: reftex configuration problem?
>>>>
>>>> Aloha all,
>>>>
>>>> reftex index phrases doesn't behave as I expect.
>>>>
>>>> \documentclass{article}
>>>>
>>>> \begin{document}
>>>> Some text.
>>>> \end{document}
>>>>
>>>> Ctrl-C \ on "text."  Mark entry as i.
>>>>
>>>> % -*- mode: reftex-index-phrases; TeX-master: "test_reftex.tex" -*-
>>>> %                              Key      Macro Format             
>>>> Repeat
>>>> %---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> INDEX_MACRO_DEFINITION:	i	\index{%s}          	t
>>>> INDEX_MACRO_DEFINITION:	g	\glossary{%s}       	t
>>>> %---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i	text
>>>>
>>>> Ctrl-C Ctrl-i indicates one match in one file.
>>>> Ctrl-C Ctrl-a ! replaces two occurrences
>>>>
>>>> \documentc\index{text}text{article}
>>>>
>>>> \begin{document}
>>>> Some \index{text}text.
>>>> \end{document}
>>>>
>>>> Note the "replacement" in the top line of the file.
>>>>
>>>> I posted this message to gnu.emacs.help and Ralf Angeli responded:
>>>>
>>>> I cannot reproduce this issue with Emacs on GNU/Linux.  Does it  
>>>> work in
>>>> your case if you use Emacs (perhaps started with -Q) instead of
>>>> Aquamacs?
>>>>
>>>> I launched Aquamacs like this:
>>>>
>>>> "/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs" -q
>>>>
>>>> and got the same results.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps reftex isn't configured properly in Aquamacs?
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Tom
>>
>> _____________________________________________________________
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>> MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu
>> http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs
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>
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From tsd at tsdye.com  Tue Jul 21 13:21:47 2009
From: tsd at tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
Date: Tue Jul 21 13:29:45 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: reftex configuration problem?
In-Reply-To: <B4530523-494C-4D0C-9B4F-70A0AE2749B7@gmail.com>
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	<1270091D-A31C-4DB5-BE2F-6C04C3378E73@tsdye.com>
	<5FF3BFCC-0C35-46FE-8E29-0820D3DD76C7@gmail.com>
	<3B1BE435-E3D7-43A6-9F50-8BA35326F27F@tsdye.com>
	<B4530523-494C-4D0C-9B4F-70A0AE2749B7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A5E9AEBA-163D-4F7F-86E8-C7EE27A30F5E@tsdye.com>

Interesting.  Does 'read-char-exclusive' destroy the match-string?  If  
I step through the replacements, by answering 'y' to the prompts, the  
first several responses add replacement text to the wrong spot near  
the top of the file, but the last response makes the replacement  
correctly.  From my limited understanding, it appears that the match- 
string is still there, but that perhaps the data structure that holds  
it isn't what reftex expects.

Thanks for taking the time to look at this and for initiating the  
steps needed to fix it.

All the best,
Tom

Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
http://www.tsdye.com


On Jul 21, 2009, at 6:48 AM, David Reitter wrote:

> Thank you, I understand now.
>
> The problem is that in `reftex-query-index-phrase', the call to  
> `read-char-exclusive'  destroys the match-string, resulting in the  
> wrong region being modified.
>
> This seems to occur in read_filtered_event(), but I don't know why  
> and where.
>
> Wrapping the call to read-char-exclusive in `save-match-string'  
> prevents the bug (see below), but of course if would be interesting  
> to see why the match string gets destroyed in the first place.  I  
> haven't found anything obvious in Aquamacs (use of "search- 
> forward"), so it's got to be some form of configuration that we're  
> using.
>
> FWIW It's almost certainly a bug in the underlying Emacs.
>
>
> --
> http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
> http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor  
> and support the Aquamacs Project!
>
>
> (defun reftex-query-index-phrase (phrase macro-fmt &optional
>                                         index-key repeat as-words)
>  "Search through buffer for PHRASE, and offer to replace it with an  
> indexed
> version.  The index version is derived by applying `format' with  
> MACRO-FMT
> to INDEX-KEY or PHRASE.  When REPEAT is non-nil, the PHRASE is  
> inserted
> again after the macro.
> AS-WORDS means, the search for PHRASE should require word boundaries  
> at
> both ends."
>  (let* ((re (reftex-index-make-phrase-regexp phrase as-words 'allow- 
> newline))
>         (case-fold-search reftex-index-phrases-case-fold-search)
>         (index-keys (split-string
>                      (or index-key phrase)
>                      reftex-index-phrases-logical-or-regexp))
>         (nkeys (length index-keys))
>         (ckey (nth 0 index-keys))
>         (all-yes nil)
>         match rpl char (beg (make-marker)) (end (make-marker)) mathp)
>    (move-marker beg 1)
>    (move-marker end 1)
>    (unwind-protect
>        (while (re-search-forward re nil t)
>          (catch 'next-match
>            (if (reftex-in-comment)
>                (throw 'next-match nil))
>            (if (and (fboundp reftex-index-verify-function)
>                     (not (funcall reftex-index-verify-function)))
>                (throw 'next-match nil))
>            (setq match (match-string 0))
>            (setq mathp
>                  (save-match-data
>                    (condition-case nil (texmathp) (error nil))))
>            (setq beg (move-marker beg (match-beginning 0))
>                  end (move-marker end (match-end 0)))
>            (if (and reftex-index-phrases-skip-indexed-matches
>                     (save-match-data
>                       (reftex-index-phrase-match-is-indexed beg
>                                                             end)))
>                (throw 'next-match nil))
>            (reftex-highlight 0 (match-beginning 0) (match-end 0))
>            (setq rpl
>                  (save-match-data
>                    (reftex-index-make-replace-string
>                     macro-fmt (match-string 0) ckey repeat mathp)))
>            (while
>                (not
>                 (catch 'loop
>                   (message "REPLACE: %s?   (yn!qoe%s?)"
>                            rpl
>                            (if (> nkeys 1)
>                                (concat "1-" (int-to-string nkeys))
>                              ""))
> 		   (setq char (if all-yes ?y
> 				(save-match-data (read-char-exclusive))))
>                   (cond ((member char '(?y ?Y ?\ ))
>                          ;; Yes!
>                          (replace-match rpl t t)
>                          (incf replace-count)
>                          ;; See if we should insert newlines to  
> shorten lines
>                          (and reftex-index-phrases-wrap-long-lines
>                               (reftex-index-phrases-fixup-line beg  
> end))
>                          (throw 'loop t))
>                         ((member char '(?n ?N ?\C-h ?\C-?));; FIXME:  
> DEL
>                          ;; No
>                          (throw 'loop t))
>                         ((equal char ?!)
>                          ;; Yes for all in this buffer
>                          (setq all-yes t))
>                         ((equal char ?q)
>                          ;; Stop this one in this file
>                          (goto-char (point-max))
>                          (throw 'loop t))
>                         ((equal char ?Q)
>                          ;; Stop this one
>                          (throw 'no-more-files t))
>                         ((equal char ?s)
>                          (save-buffer))
>                         ((equal char ?S)
>                          (reftex-save-all-document-buffers))
>                         ((equal char ?\C-g)
>                          (keyboard-quit))
>                         ((member char '(?o ?O))
>                          ;; Select a differnt macro
>                          (let* ((nc (reftex-index-select-phrases- 
> macro 2))
>                                 (macro-data
>                                  (cdr (assoc nc reftex-index-phrases- 
> macro-data)))
>                                 (macro-fmt (car macro-data))
>                                 (repeat (nth 1 macro-data)))
>                            (if macro-data
>                                (setq rpl (save-match-data
>                                            (reftex-index-make- 
> replace-string
>                                             macro-fmt match
>                                             ckey repeat mathp)))
>                              (ding))))
>                         ((equal char ?\?)
>                          ;; Help
>                          (with-output-to-temp-buffer "*Help*"
>                            (princ reftex-index-phrases-help)))
>                         ((equal char ?\C-r)
>                          ;; Recursive edit
>                          (save-match-data
>                            (save-excursion
>                              (message "%s"
>                               (substitute-command-keys
>                                "Recursive edit.  Resume with \\[exit- 
> recursive-edit]"))
>                              (recursive-edit))))
>                         ((equal char ?e)
>                          (setq rpl (read-string "Edit: " rpl)))
>                         ((equal char ?0)
>                          (setq ckey (or index-key phrase)
>                                rpl (save-match-data
>                                      (reftex-index-make-replace-string
>                                       macro-fmt match ckey repeat  
> mathp))))
>                         ((and (> char ?0)
>                               (<= char (+ ?0 nkeys)))
>                          (setq ckey (nth (1- (- char ?0)) index-keys)
>                                rpl (save-match-data
>                                      (reftex-index-make-replace-string
>                                       macro-fmt match ckey repeat  
> mathp))))
>                         (t (ding)))
>                   nil)))))
>      (message "")
>      (move-marker beg nil)
>      (move-marker end nil)
>      (setq all-yes nil)
>      (reftex-unhighlight 0))))
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote:
>
>> In the example, reftex is supposed to take the string "text" from  
>> the *.rip file and replace all instances of the string in a  
>> document's *.tex file(s) with some sort of indexing markup,  
>> indicated by the possibilities listed at the top of the *.rip file  
>> and indexed by the letter at the start of the line that contains  
>> "text" in the *.rip file.  Reftex summarizes what it intends to do  
>> when given the Ctrl-x, Ctrl-i command; in this example it says it  
>> will replace one instance of "text" with "\index{text}text".  What  
>> happens, only in Aquamacs and not in Carbon Emacs on the Mac or in  
>> emacs running on Gnu/Linux, is that more than one "replacement" is  
>> made, with the additional, spurious "replacements" made near the  
>> top of the file.  In the instance I reported below, there is one  
>> spurious replacement; this number is variable, however, and I have  
>> had up to three or four spurious replacements in Aquamacs, one  
>> following the other near the top of the file, as in the example  
>> below.
>>
>> If this is not some kind of configuration problem (I agree with you  
>> that it probably is not), then the mechanism that reftex uses to  
>> keep track of replacement targets either relies on emacs behavior  
>> that Aquamacs changes, or the mechanism itself, perhaps a list of  
>> file names and offsets, gets hosed somewhere between reporting what  
>> it is going to do and actually doing it.  If this is what happens,  
>> then my tests and Ralf Angeli's report indicate that it is Aquamacs  
>> doing the hosing, rather than the underlying emacs.
>>
>> I'm afraid I can't suggest anything in the way of a fix.  I read a  
>> couple of Paul Graham's Lisp books shortly after they were  
>> published when I was programming in a dialect, now defunct, called  
>> Lisp-Stat, but my efforts there were fairly crude, far short of the  
>> skill level needed to contribute to efforts along the lines of  
>> emacs, reftex, and Aquamacs, which are all terrific (and complex)  
>> pieces of software.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Tom
>>
>> Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
>> T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
>> Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
>> http://www.tsdye.com
>>
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2009, at 8:05 PM, David Reitter wrote:
>>
>>> I don't use reftex much and can't tell from your message what the  
>>> desired result would be, i.e. what the bug is.  All you are saying  
>>> is "Note the "replacement" in the top line of the file.".
>>>
>>> I don't think there is much in the way of configuration for reftex  
>>> that Aquamacs provides.  What kind of configuration do you suggest?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
>>> http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor  
>>> and support the Aquamacs Project!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2009, at 3:31 AM, Thomas S. Dye wrote:
>>>
>>>> Aloha all,
>>>>
>>>> I installed Carbon Emacs and verified that the reftex behavior I  
>>>> reported below does not occur there.
>>>> It appears to be related to Aquamacs.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.
>>>> T. S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc.
>>>> Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884
>>>> http://www.tsdye.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>>> From: "Thomas S. Dye" <tsd@tsdye.com>
>>>>> Date: July 19, 2009 10:21:20 AM HST
>>>>> To: Emacs on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx- 
>>>>> emacs@email.esm.psu.edu>
>>>>> Subject: reftex configuration problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> Aloha all,
>>>>>
>>>>> reftex index phrases doesn't behave as I expect.
>>>>>
>>>>> \documentclass{article}
>>>>>
>>>>> \begin{document}
>>>>> Some text.
>>>>> \end{document}
>>>>>
>>>>> Ctrl-C \ on "text."  Mark entry as i.
>>>>>
>>>>> % -*- mode: reftex-index-phrases; TeX-master: "test_reftex.tex" - 
>>>>> *-
>>>>> %                              Key      Macro Format             
>>>>> Repeat
>>>>> %---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> INDEX_MACRO_DEFINITION:	i	\index{%s}          	t
>>>>> INDEX_MACRO_DEFINITION:	g	\glossary{%s}       	t
>>>>> %---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i	text
>>>>>
>>>>> Ctrl-C Ctrl-i indicates one match in one file.
>>>>> Ctrl-C Ctrl-a ! replaces two occurrences
>>>>>
>>>>> \documentc\index{text}text{article}
>>>>>
>>>>> \begin{document}
>>>>> Some \index{text}text.
>>>>> \end{document}
>>>>>
>>>>> Note the "replacement" in the top line of the file.
>>>>>
>>>>> I posted this message to gnu.emacs.help and Ralf Angeli responded:
>>>>>
>>>>> I cannot reproduce this issue with Emacs on GNU/Linux.  Does it  
>>>>> work in
>>>>> your case if you use Emacs (perhaps started with -Q) instead of
>>>>> Aquamacs?
>>>>>
>>>>> I launched Aquamacs like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> "/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs"  
>>>>> -q
>>>>>
>>>>> and got the same results.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps reftex isn't configured properly in Aquamacs?
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>> Tom
>>>
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>>
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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 18:47:58 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Tue Jul 21 18:49:16 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: reftex configuration problem?
In-Reply-To: <87d47t7w2d.fsf@caeruleus.net>
References: <02443D84-C7D8-42D2-AB41-1060C36FE671@tsdye.com>
	<1270091D-A31C-4DB5-BE2F-6C04C3378E73@tsdye.com>
	<5FF3BFCC-0C35-46FE-8E29-0820D3DD76C7@gmail.com>
	<3B1BE435-E3D7-43A6-9F50-8BA35326F27F@tsdye.com>
	<B4530523-494C-4D0C-9B4F-70A0AE2749B7@gmail.com>
	<87d47t7w2d.fsf@caeruleus.net>
Message-ID: <CCA9D128-DC7D-4103-B3B7-F68533F9B319@gmail.com>

On Jul 21, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Ralf Angeli wrote:
>>
>> This seems to occur in read_filtered_event(), but I don't know why  
>> and
>> where.
>
> My money is on `message_with_string'.  Just a few days ago we had a
> similar (not reproducable) case which was related to `read-string'.

prompt is nil.

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From misaka at pobox.com  Thu Jul 23 05:20:35 2009
From: misaka at pobox.com (Misha Gorodnitzky)
Date: Thu Jul 23 06:06:21 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Disabling smart-spacing mode.
Message-ID: <loom.20090723T091627-960@post.gmane.org>

Hello,

Can anyone help me with a clean way to disable the smart-spacing minor-mode for
HTML modes? Having it enabled is causing me grief with Haml files which are
indentation sensitive (a-la Python).

Thanks,


--Misha

From david.reitter at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 06:32:39 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Thu Jul 23 06:34:00 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Disabling smart-spacing mode.
In-Reply-To: <loom.20090723T091627-960@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20090723T091627-960@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <92EFAD7D-7052-43B4-9086-FF716B1BFFCB@gmail.com>

On Jul 23, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Misha Gorodnitzky wrote:
> Can anyone help me with a clean way to disable the smart-spacing  
> minor-mode for
> HTML modes? Having it enabled is causing me grief with Haml files  
> which are
> indentation sensitive (a-la Python).

You can of course disable it globally (M-x global-smart-spacing-mode),  
but to do it just for html, customize the variable `html-helper-mode- 
hook'  (or possibly `html-mode-hook' depending on what major mode  
you're using there for HTML).
Add an entry called 'turn-off-smart-spacing-mode .

It works that way for pretty much all local minor modes and all major  
modes.  If you look at the `text-mode-hook', you'll see that smart  
spacing can be turned on from there in an analogous way.  In fact this  
is what happens when you click on the according menu entry in the  
"Options" menu.


--
http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X
http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? Return the favor and  
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From swartz at pobox.com  Mon Jul 27 17:11:21 2009
From: swartz at pobox.com (Jonathan Swartz)
Date: Mon Jul 27 17:30:50 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] seeing artifacts from certain characters
Message-ID: <9CA7C7A5-B33E-4F54-AB48-D93EC173ACFA@pobox.com>

I am seeing artifacts from certain characters (e.g. "@") when I  
navigate through a buffer, or when Emacs moves the contents of my  
buffer.

For example, here's a buffer after loading:

     http://i28.tinypic.com/2079w7c.jpg

and here's what happens if I hit "ctrl-k" six times:

     http://i30.tinypic.com/2cdg6x0.jpg

The effects are more pronounced with white-on-black, which is my usual  
setup:

     http://i31.tinypic.com/30avqtj.jpg

Hitting control-L or running (redraw-frame (selected-frame)) makes the  
artifacts disappear.

This is OS X 10.5.7, Emacs 22.3.1 (downloaded from http://porkrind.org/emacs/Emacs-22.3-i386-10.5.7.dmg) 
, with no .emacs or other customizations. I've seen the same behavior  
with the latest CVS snapshot, and with the Carbon emacs package from http://homepage.mac.com/zenitani/emacs-e.htmlD 
. I've also seen similar behavior in Aquamacs, although I couldn't get  
this particular example to work because the default font is different  
and I can't figure out how to change it to match.

Has anyone else seen this? I've been living with it for a long time,  
but it is slowly driving me crazy.

Thanks!
Jon

From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Mon Jul 27 19:57:35 2009
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Mon Jul 27 19:59:06 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] seeing artifacts from certain characters
In-Reply-To: <9CA7C7A5-B33E-4F54-AB48-D93EC173ACFA@pobox.com>
References: <9CA7C7A5-B33E-4F54-AB48-D93EC173ACFA@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <BFB43102-CF45-4C25-BDD4-9B59E701504E@Web.DE>


Am 27.07.2009 um 23:11 schrieb Jonathan Swartz:

> I am seeing artifacts from certain characters


Are you using a proportional font where a monospaced one is the  
better choice?

--
Greetings

   Pete

  "A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no  
longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take  
away."
				? Antoine de Saint-Exupéry



From swartz at pobox.com  Mon Jul 27 23:27:36 2009
From: swartz at pobox.com (Jonathan Swartz)
Date: Mon Jul 27 23:29:09 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] seeing artifacts from certain characters
In-Reply-To: <BFB43102-CF45-4C25-BDD4-9B59E701504E@Web.DE>
References: <9CA7C7A5-B33E-4F54-AB48-D93EC173ACFA@pobox.com>
	<BFB43102-CF45-4C25-BDD4-9B59E701504E@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <A836E5F7-BDD1-42E5-BBC9-31A9D99F9C09@pobox.com>

I'm using the default font - no customization. What's the easiest way  
to tell what font is being used? In any case, it is monospaced for sure.

On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:57 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote:

>
> Am 27.07.2009 um 23:11 schrieb Jonathan Swartz:
>
>> I am seeing artifacts from certain characters
>
>
> Are you using a proportional font where a monospaced one is the  
> better choice?
>
> --
> Greetings
>
>  Pete
>
> "A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no  
> longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take  
> away."
> 				? Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________________________
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> http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs
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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Tue Jul 28 04:39:48 2009
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Tue Jul 28 04:42:28 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] seeing artifacts from certain characters
In-Reply-To: <A836E5F7-BDD1-42E5-BBC9-31A9D99F9C09@pobox.com>
References: <9CA7C7A5-B33E-4F54-AB48-D93EC173ACFA@pobox.com>
	<BFB43102-CF45-4C25-BDD4-9B59E701504E@Web.DE>
	<A836E5F7-BDD1-42E5-BBC9-31A9D99F9C09@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <424C292F-2164-4B30-A915-7196CD2BB7A8@Web.DE>


Am 28.07.2009 um 05:27 schrieb Jonathan Swartz:

> What's the easiest way to tell what font is being used?

Position the text cursor on any such character and type: C-u C-x =.  
In *Help* window you'll see some explication (and you can customise  
what you want to see). You can repeat this and browse in the *Help*  
window forwards and backwards.

--
Greetings

   Pete

A child of five could understand this!  Fetch me a child of five.



From franconi at inf.unibz.it  Tue Jul 28 10:27:48 2009
From: franconi at inf.unibz.it (Enrico Franconi)
Date: Tue Jul 28 10:29:24 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Handling AucTeX errors
Message-ID: <81369FB7-E296-42A4-9B4C-44EEF67A8A06@inf.unibz.it>

With Aquamacs/Cocoa: whenever I hit "^C`" to get the explanation of a  
LaTeX error, Aquamacs opens a new tab called "Web2C 7.5.7" instead of  
just keeping in focus the tab with the source LaTeX file (see  
attachment, if it goes through the mailing list). In the carbon  
Aquamacs everything works as it should.
Any explanation for this odd behaviour? How to fix it?
cheers
--e.

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From henry.robinson at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 10:40:10 2009
From: henry.robinson at gmail.com (Henry)
Date: Tue Jul 28 11:41:20 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs / Pymacs compatibility
Message-ID: <7301202f0907280740u55d4694pd8802fd0eaf506de@mail.gmail.com>

Hi -

I believe this is an old-ish problem (one of the only other mentions of it I
have seen was from 2008). I'm trying to get pymacs to run on Aquamacs, but
loading it causes simple elisp functions to blow various recursion limits.

>From my .emacs:

(add-to-list 'load-path "~/.emacs.d/Pymacs-0.23/")
(autoload 'pymacs-apply "pymacs")
(autoload 'pymacs-call "pymacs")
(autoload 'pymacs-eval "pymacs" nil t)
(autoload 'pymacs-exec "pymacs" nil t)
(autoload 'pymacs-load "pymacs" nil t)

(pymacs-load "ropemacs" "rope-")

This induces recursion errors on even the simplest functions (reliably, C-h
f jump-to-register). The problem is not rope, as I have reproduced the issue
just by calling pymacs-eval to load pymacs then retrying. I have removed
everything else from my .emacs to isolate the issue. The problem seems to be
with advice, as the message buffer says ad-orig--funcname: max-specpdl-size
exceeded for a variety of values of funcname. Increasing both
max-specpdl-size and max-lisp-eval-depth to huge values leads to a crash,
suggesting that there's actually an infinite loop somewhere.

Although this may be a bug in pymacs itself, this issue does not manifest
itself with Mac OS-provided emacs (GNU Emacs 22.1.1 (mac-apple-darwin,
Carbon Version 1.6.0) of 2009-01-31 on b79.apple.com). My Aquamacs is the
latest release: GNU Emacs 22.3.1 (i386-apple-darwin9.7.0, Carbon Version
1.6.0) of 2009-06-07 on scarlett.local - Aquamacs Distribution 1.8

I am running on an up-to-date Leopard.

Does anyone know of a workaround or fix?

Thanks,

Henry
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From rsparapa at mcw.edu  Tue Jul 28 11:49:05 2009
From: rsparapa at mcw.edu (Rodney Sparapani)
Date: Tue Jul 28 11:50:52 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Viper bug in MacPorts emacs-app 
Message-ID: <h4n6lh$7jd$2@ger.gmane.org>

Hi Gang:

I found a problem with Viper in emacs-app.  This is a different bug
than the one that exists in NS-9.0rc3.  But, it has an easy solution.
Place the following in your .emacs or something:

(require 'levents)

(defun viper-cond-compile-for-xemacs-or-emacs (xemacs emacs)
    (if (featurep 'xemacs) xemacs emacs))

Rodney

From swartz at pobox.com  Tue Jul 28 12:53:22 2009
From: swartz at pobox.com (Jonathan Swartz)
Date: Tue Jul 28 12:54:56 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] seeing artifacts from certain characters
In-Reply-To: <424C292F-2164-4B30-A915-7196CD2BB7A8@Web.DE>
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Ah, thanks. Here it is for one of the '@':

   character: @ (64, #o100, #x40, U+0040)
     charset: ascii (ASCII (ISO646 IRV))
  code point: #x40
      syntax: . 	which means: punctuation
    category: a:ASCII graphic characters 32-126 (ISO646 IRV:1983[4/0])  
l:Latin
buffer code: #x40
   file code: #x40 (encoded by coding system undecided-unix)
     display: by this font (glyph code)
      -apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--14-140-72-72-m-140-iso10646-1  
(#x40)

I just noticed, too, that the artifact in a space will go away if I  
move the cursor over it.

Jon

On Jul 28, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Peter Dyballa wrote:

>
> Am 28.07.2009 um 05:27 schrieb Jonathan Swartz:
>
>> What's the easiest way to tell what font is being used?
>
> Position the text cursor on any such character and type: C-u C-x =.  
> In *Help* window you'll see some explication (and you can customise  
> what you want to see). You can repeat this and browse in the *Help*  
> window forwards and backwards.
>
> --
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>
>  Pete
>
> A child of five could understand this!  Fetch me a child of five.
>
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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Tue Jul 28 14:07:23 2009
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Tue Jul 28 14:09:05 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] seeing artifacts from certain characters
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Am 28.07.2009 um 18:53 schrieb Jonathan Swartz:

> I just noticed, too, that the artifact in a space will go away if I  
> move the cursor over it.


Maybe it's a font cache issue. There are some utilities which can  
clean them.

I think I've seen similiar effects. I don't remember when (years ago,  
probably), and I don't remember what I did then. For me Carbon  
Emacsen were never important, because the X11 client versions are as  
fast as me.

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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 03:22:57 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Wed Jul 29 03:24:35 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Handling AucTeX errors
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On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Enrico Franconi wrote:

> With Aquamacs/Cocoa: whenever I hit "^C`" to get the explanation of  
> a LaTeX error, Aquamacs opens a new tab called "Web2C 7.5.7" instead  
> of just keeping in focus the tab with the source LaTeX file (see  
> attachment, if it goes through the mailing list). In the carbon  
> Aquamacs everything works as it should.
> Any explanation for this odd behaviour? How to fix it?

I've seen this on occasion, too, with certain tex files at least.  I  
have no idea where this is coming from and nobody has debugged it.  If  
you could take a look to find a fix, that'd be great.

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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 03:24:15 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Wed Jul 29 03:25:51 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs / Pymacs compatibility
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On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Henry wrote:
>
>  The problem seems to be with advice, as the message buffer says ad- 
> orig--funcname: max-specpdl-size exceeded for a variety of values of  
> funcname. Increasing both max-specpdl-size and max-lisp-eval-depth  
> to huge values leads to a crash, suggesting that there's actually an  
> infinite loop somewhere.

Does a backtrace ("Enter Debugger on Error") give any interesting  
information?


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From franconi at inf.unibz.it  Wed Jul 29 06:48:35 2009
From: franconi at inf.unibz.it (Enrico Franconi)
Date: Wed Jul 29 06:56:53 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Handling AucTeX errors
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On 29 Jul 2009, at 08:22, David Reitter wrote:

> On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Enrico Franconi wrote:
>
>> With Aquamacs/Cocoa: whenever I hit "^C`" to get the explanation of  
>> a LaTeX error, Aquamacs opens a new tab called "Web2C 7.5.7"  
>> instead of just keeping in focus the tab with the source LaTeX file  
>> (see attachment, if it goes through the mailing list). In the  
>> carbon Aquamacs everything works as it should.
>
> I've seen this on occasion, too, with certain tex files at least.  I  
> have no idea where this is coming from and nobody has debugged it.   
> If you could take a look to find a fix, that'd be great.

The fix is (from the auctex forum):

(add-hook
  'LaTeX-mode-hook
  (lambda nil
    (setq LaTeX-command "latex -file-line-error")))

cheers
--e.
From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk  Wed Jul 29 07:48:23 2009
From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill)
Date: Wed Jul 29 07:50:00 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Handling AucTeX errors
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>>>>> "Enrico" == Enrico Franconi <franconi@inf.unibz.it> writes:

Enrico> On 29 Jul 2009, at 08:22, David Reitter wrote:

>> On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Enrico Franconi wrote:
>> 
>>> With Aquamacs/Cocoa: whenever I hit "^C`" to get the explanation of  
>>> a LaTeX error, Aquamacs opens a new tab called "Web2C 7.5.7"  
>>> instead of just keeping in focus the tab with the source LaTeX file  
>>> (see attachment, if it goes through the mailing list). In the  
>>> carbon Aquamacs everything works as it should.
>> 
>> I've seen this on occasion, too, with certain tex files at least.  I  
>> have no idea where this is coming from and nobody has debugged it.   
>> If you could take a look to find a fix, that'd be great.

Enrico> The fix is (from the auctex forum):

Enrico> (add-hook
Enrico>   'LaTeX-mode-hook
Enrico>   (lambda nil
Enrico>     (setq LaTeX-command "latex -file-line-error")))


I think it might be better to have

(add-hook
  'LaTeX-mode-hook
  (lambda nil
    (setq LaTeX-command "latex -file-line-error -synctex=1")))

otherwise you won't get synchronisation with Skim, for instance.

Cheers, José


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From franconi at inf.unibz.it  Wed Jul 29 08:05:15 2009
From: franconi at inf.unibz.it (Enrico Franconi)
Date: Wed Jul 29 08:06:49 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Soft word wrap
Message-ID: <FE0F74E5-694C-4821-B56A-13DF71784BF1@inf.unibz.it>

I have a stupid question. I couldn't find an answer, but maybe it is  
trivial.
How do I switch on/off via elisp the soft wrap mode only in some modes?
For example, I'd like it to be off always in LaTeX mode.
--e.
From david.reitter at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 08:10:45 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Wed Jul 29 08:12:18 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Handling AucTeX errors
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On Jul 29, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:
>
> (add-hook
>  'LaTeX-mode-hook
>  (lambda nil
>    (setq LaTeX-command "latex -file-line-error -synctex=1")))
>
> otherwise you won't get synchronisation with Skim, for instance.

Why is this done in LaTeX-mode-hook rather than setting LaTeX-command  
directly?  This variable is not buffer-local, and obviously the  
configuration is done globally.

Thanks Enrico for this fix!

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From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk  Wed Jul 29 08:20:58 2009
From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill)
Date: Wed Jul 29 08:22:34 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Soft word wrap
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Enrico> How do I switch on/off via elisp the soft wrap mode only in some modes?
Enrico> For example, I'd like it to be off always in LaTeX mode.

One possibility:

(add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook
	  '(lambda ()
	     (turn-off-word-wrap)))

Cheers, José


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From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk  Wed Jul 29 08:18:48 2009
From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill)
Date: Wed Jul 29 08:47:05 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Handling AucTeX errors
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David> Why is this done in LaTeX-mode-hook rather than setting LaTeX-command  
David> directly?  This variable is not buffer-local, and obviously the  
David> configuration is done globally.

Indeed.  All I was trying to point out is that one should keep the
"-synctex=1" flag.

Cheers, José





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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 08:38:00 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Wed Jul 29 08:47:15 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Soft word wrap
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On Jul 29, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:
>
> Enrico> How do I switch on/off via elisp the soft wrap mode only in  
> some modes?
> Enrico> For example, I'd like it to be off always in LaTeX mode.
>
> One possibility:
>
> (add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook
> 	  '(lambda ()
> 	     (turn-off-word-wrap)))


Even simpler:

(add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'turn-off-word-wrap)



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From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk  Wed Jul 29 09:14:57 2009
From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill)
Date: Wed Jul 29 09:16:35 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Soft word wrap
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>>>>> "David" == David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com> writes:

David> On Jul 29, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:
>> 
Enrico> How do I switch on/off via elisp the soft wrap mode only in  
>> some modes?
Enrico> For example, I'd like it to be off always in LaTeX mode.
>> 
>> One possibility:
>> 
>> (add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook
>> '(lambda ()
>> (turn-off-word-wrap)))


David> Even simpler:

David> (add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'turn-off-word-wrap)

This brings up a question that perhaps you can answer.  I have added a
number of things in LaTeX-mode-hook, which is why I wrap them inside a
lambda function, but is it better to do this or to have one line like
the one you suggest per item that I add?  This only gets read once,
but anything that can speed loading of my Preferences.el is welcome.

Cheers, José



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From franconi at inf.unibz.it  Wed Jul 29 09:36:01 2009
From: franconi at inf.unibz.it (Enrico Franconi)
Date: Wed Jul 29 09:37:40 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Handling AucTeX errors
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On 29 Jul 2009, at 13:10, David Reitter wrote:

> On Jul 29, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:
>>
>> (add-hook
>> 'LaTeX-mode-hook
>> (lambda nil
>>   (setq LaTeX-command "latex -file-line-error -synctex=1")))
>>
>> otherwise you won't get synchronisation with Skim, for instance.
>
> Why is this done in LaTeX-mode-hook rather than setting LaTeX- 
> command directly?  This variable is not buffer-local, and obviously  
> the configuration is done globally.

correct - silly me.
--e.

>
> Thanks Enrico for this fix!
>
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From franconi at inf.unibz.it  Wed Jul 29 09:41:13 2009
From: franconi at inf.unibz.it (Enrico Franconi)
Date: Wed Jul 29 09:42:49 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Soft word wrap
In-Reply-To: <FC67F6E6-A121-4654-B5B5-7CE56E304216@gmail.com>
References: <FE0F74E5-694C-4821-B56A-13DF71784BF1@inf.unibz.it>
	<19056.16042.424572.479830@knecht.local>
	<FC67F6E6-A121-4654-B5B5-7CE56E304216@gmail.com>
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Well, I tried that but, unless there is something I am missing, it  
does not work.
The "soft word wrap" entry in the menu remains selected and the  
behaviour does not change...
--e.

On 29 Jul 2009, at 13:38, David Reitter wrote:

>> Enrico> How do I switch on/off via elisp the soft wrap mode only in  
>> some modes?
>> Enrico> For example, I'd like it to be off always in LaTeX mode.
>
> (add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'turn-off-word-wrap)
From j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk  Wed Jul 29 09:45:32 2009
From: j.m.figueroa at ed.ac.uk (Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill)
Date: Wed Jul 29 09:47:09 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Soft word wrap
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	<19056.16042.424572.479830@knecht.local>
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	<E111E03A-A6A6-498F-B328-8A39BC19C589@inf.unibz.it>
Message-ID: <19056.21116.792965.823207@knecht.local>


Enrico> Well, I tried that but, unless there is something I am missing, it  
Enrico> does not work.
Enrico> The "soft word wrap" entry in the menu remains selected and the  
Enrico> behaviour does not change...

Perhaps there is something else which is turning it on after the
LaTeX-mode-hook is called???  I'm not sure about the order in which
hooks are called: LaTeX-mode is a special kind of text-mode, but I
would expect hooks to be called in order of specialisation.

Actually I do the opposite: turn on the mode in the LaTeX modes, since
I've come to like it after some initial reluctance.  This works for me
with code isomorphic to the one I wrote.

Sorry,
	José







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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 10:21:44 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Wed Jul 29 10:23:19 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Soft word wrap
In-Reply-To: <19056.19281.853816.884884@knecht.local>
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On Jul 29, 2009, at 3:14 PM, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:
>
> This brings up a question that perhaps you can answer.  I have added a
> number of things in LaTeX-mode-hook, which is why I wrap them inside a
> lambda function, but is it better to do this or to have one line like
> the one you suggest per item that I add?  This only gets read once,
> but anything that can speed loading of my Preferences.el is welcome.

It won't make a difference speed-wise.
But in your variant, errors signaled in one function will prevent the  
following ones from being executed.  Also, you can't remove single  
elements with `remove-hook'.

Like much code posted here and elsewhere, it would be an Emacs hack  
that's OK for your own .emacs, but not good as something you'd give  
away to others.

- David


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From franconi at inf.unibz.it  Wed Jul 29 10:50:31 2009
From: franconi at inf.unibz.it (Enrico Franconi)
Date: Wed Jul 29 10:52:09 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Soft word wrap
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I did put it at top level in my .emacs
It is still not working.
Is it working for somebody out there? Is there anybody able to switch  
off (and on again) the soft wrap mode with elisp somehow? How?
cheers
--e.

On 29 Jul 2009, at 14:45, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:

> Enrico> Well, I tried that but, unless there is something I am  
> missing, it
> Enrico> does not work.
> Enrico> The "soft word wrap" entry in the menu remains selected and  
> the
> Enrico> behaviour does not change...
>
> Perhaps there is something else which is turning it on after the
> LaTeX-mode-hook is called???  I'm not sure about the order in which
> hooks are called: LaTeX-mode is a special kind of text-mode, but I
> would expect hooks to be called in order of specialisation.
From franconi at inf.unibz.it  Wed Jul 29 11:34:41 2009
From: franconi at inf.unibz.it (Enrico Franconi)
Date: Wed Jul 29 11:36:18 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Soft word wrap
In-Reply-To: <49A8015A-02CD-4FA4-99EA-97ED699E8531@inf.unibz.it>
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I am trying arbitrary combinations of the following, in various  
customisation files, but none of these work (not even in the text  
modes):

   (add-hook 'text-mode-hook (lambda nil (setq word-wrap nil)))
   (set-default 'word-wrap nil)
   (setq word-wrap nil)

Any clue?
--e.


On 29 Jul 2009, at 15:50, Enrico Franconi wrote:

> I did put it at top level in my .emacs
> It is still not working.
> Is it working for somebody out there? Is there anybody able to  
> switch off (and on again) the soft wrap mode with elisp somehow? How?
> cheers
> --e.
>
> On 29 Jul 2009, at 14:45, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:
>
>> Enrico> Well, I tried that but, unless there is something I am  
>> missing, it
>> Enrico> does not work.
>> Enrico> The "soft word wrap" entry in the menu remains selected and  
>> the
>> Enrico> behaviour does not change...
>>
>> Perhaps there is something else which is turning it on after the
>> LaTeX-mode-hook is called???  I'm not sure about the order in which
>> hooks are called: LaTeX-mode is a special kind of text-mode, but I
>> would expect hooks to be called in order of specialisation.
> _____________________________________________________________
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From franconi at inf.unibz.it  Wed Jul 29 12:17:03 2009
From: franconi at inf.unibz.it (Enrico Franconi)
Date: Wed Jul 29 12:18:38 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Soft word wrap
In-Reply-To: <A931D497-2471-4A3D-AB9C-6B4CDED271FB@inf.unibz.it>
References: <FE0F74E5-694C-4821-B56A-13DF71784BF1@inf.unibz.it>
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And please note that it works perfectly with aquamacs 1.8a.
--e.

On 29 Jul 2009, at 16:34, Enrico Franconi wrote:

> I am trying arbitrary combinations of the following, in various  
> customisation files, but none of these work (not even in the text  
> modes):
>
>  (add-hook 'text-mode-hook (lambda nil (setq word-wrap nil)))
>  (set-default 'word-wrap nil)
>  (setq word-wrap nil)
>
> Any clue?
> --e.
>
>
> On 29 Jul 2009, at 15:50, Enrico Franconi wrote:
>
>> I did put it at top level in my .emacs
>> It is still not working.
>> Is it working for somebody out there? Is there anybody able to  
>> switch off (and on again) the soft wrap mode with elisp somehow? How?
>> cheers
>> --e.
>>
>> On 29 Jul 2009, at 14:45, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:
>>
>>> Enrico> Well, I tried that but, unless there is something I am  
>>> missing, it
>>> Enrico> does not work.
>>> Enrico> The "soft word wrap" entry in the menu remains selected  
>>> and the
>>> Enrico> behaviour does not change...
>>>
>>> Perhaps there is something else which is turning it on after the
>>> LaTeX-mode-hook is called???  I'm not sure about the order in which
>>> hooks are called: LaTeX-mode is a special kind of text-mode, but I
>>> would expect hooks to be called in order of specialisation.
>> _____________________________________________________________
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>> MacOSX-Emacs@email.esm.psu.edu
>> http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs
>> List Archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.macintosh.osx
>
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From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 11:23:55 2009
From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham)
Date: Wed Jul 29 12:18:42 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Soft word wrap
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It seems to work fine for me, using just

(add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'turn-off-word-wrap)

at the end of my Preferences.el.
"Wrap" is now absent from the mode-line of a LaTeX buffer after restarting
Aquamacs, and the soft-wrap menu item is unchecked.

--Nathaniel

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Enrico Franconi <franconi@inf.unibz.it>wrote:

> I did put it at top level in my .emacs
> It is still not working.
> Is it working for somebody out there? Is there anybody able to switch off
> (and on again) the soft wrap mode with elisp somehow? How?
> cheers
> --e.
>
>
> On 29 Jul 2009, at 14:45, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:
>
>  Enrico> Well, I tried that but, unless there is something I am missing, it
>> Enrico> does not work.
>> Enrico> The "soft word wrap" entry in the menu remains selected and the
>> Enrico> behaviour does not change...
>>
>> Perhaps there is something else which is turning it on after the
>> LaTeX-mode-hook is called???  I'm not sure about the order in which
>> hooks are called: LaTeX-mode is a special kind of text-mode, but I
>> would expect hooks to be called in order of specialisation.
>>
>
> _____________________________________________________________
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From franconi at inf.unibz.it  Wed Jul 29 12:20:02 2009
From: franconi at inf.unibz.it (Enrico Franconi)
Date: Wed Jul 29 12:21:41 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Soft word wrap
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This thing is driving me crazy :-(
It does not work for me in Aquamacs\Cocoa but it does work in carbon  
Aquamacs. The settings are the same.
--e.

On 29 Jul 2009, at 16:23, Nathaniel Cunningham wrote:

> It seems to work fine for me, using just
>
> (add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'turn-off-word-wrap)
>
> at the end of my Preferences.el.
> "Wrap" is now absent from the mode-line of a LaTeX buffer after  
> restarting Aquamacs, and the soft-wrap menu item is unchecked.
>
> --Nathaniel
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Enrico Franconi <franconi@inf.unibz.it 
> > wrote:
> I did put it at top level in my .emacs
> It is still not working.
> Is it working for somebody out there? Is there anybody able to  
> switch off (and on again) the soft wrap mode with elisp somehow? How?
> cheers
> --e.
>
>
> On 29 Jul 2009, at 14:45, Jose Figueroa-O'Farrill wrote:
>
> Enrico> Well, I tried that but, unless there is something I am  
> missing, it
> Enrico> does not work.
> Enrico> The "soft word wrap" entry in the menu remains selected and  
> the
> Enrico> behaviour does not change...
>
> Perhaps there is something else which is turning it on after the
> LaTeX-mode-hook is called???  I'm not sure about the order in which
> hooks are called: LaTeX-mode is a special kind of text-mode, but I
> would expect hooks to be called in order of specialisation.
>
> _____________________________________________________________
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> http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-emacs
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>
>
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From nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 13:06:46 2009
From: nathaniel.cunningham at gmail.com (Nathaniel Cunningham)
Date: Wed Jul 29 13:30:42 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Soft word wrap
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Enrico Franconi <franconi@inf.unibz.it>wrote:

> This thing is driving me crazy :-(It does not work for me in
> Aquamacs\Cocoa but it does work in carbon Aquamacs. The settings are the
> same.
> --e.
>

Oh.  I see the same results -- I had tested in 1.8c with no problems, but
neither of the following work in the latest Aquamacs/Cocoa:

(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-off-word-wrap)
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-off-auto-fill)

--Nathaniel
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From sdl.web at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 05:56:38 2009
From: sdl.web at gmail.com (Leo)
Date: Wed Jul 29 16:06:38 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Re: Handling AucTeX errors
References: <81369FB7-E296-42A4-9B4C-44EEF67A8A06@inf.unibz.it>
	<AD231E3B-5F75-479A-8DF6-177D38635B9F@gmail.com>
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On 2009-07-29 08:22 +0100, David Reitter wrote:
> On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Enrico Franconi wrote:
>
>> With Aquamacs/Cocoa: whenever I hit "^C`" to get the explanation of
>> a LaTeX error, Aquamacs opens a new tab called "Web2C 7.5.7" instead
>> of just keeping in focus the tab with the source LaTeX file (see
>> attachment, if it goes through the mailing list). In the carbon
>> Aquamacs everything works as it should.
>> Any explanation for this odd behaviour? How to fix it?
>
> I've seen this on occasion, too, with certain tex files at least.  I
> have no idea where this is coming from and nobody has debugged it.  If
> you could take a look to find a fix, that'd be great.

I think something similar has come up once in a while in AUCTeX mailing
lists and one of the developers has suggested a solution. You can search
http://search.gmane.org/ in groups:

gmane.emacs.auctex.devel
gmane.emacs.auctex.general

-- 
Leo's Emacs uptime: 48 days, 20 hours, 9 minutes, 35 seconds

From mrh3 at pobox.com  Wed Jul 29 16:08:26 2009
From: mrh3 at pobox.com (Michael Hannemann)
Date: Wed Jul 29 16:27:42 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] aquamacs 1.8 - new mouse/selection behavior?
Message-ID: <p06240800c6965adac2e4@[10.0.1.2]>

Hi all,

I searched the Gmane archives, but didn't see anyone describe what I'm seeing.

When I have a frame split horizontally into two panes, and I'm 
selecting something with the mouse in the lower pane, it seems like 
the selection point races to the top and everything from my location 
to the top of the buffer is selected.

I can't always reproduce this, but it seems fairly consistent right 
now if I follow these steps:

1. create new frame with C-x 5 2.
2. split frame with C-x 2
3. navigate to new file in lower frame.
4. attempt to select a block (s-exp) with the mouse, and let the 
mouse cursor drift over the left-hand edge of the window.


This does not appear to happen if the window isn't split, or if I've 
taken a problem window, removed splits, and re-split.

I'm running Aquamacs 1.8c, and I think this is new behavior.


Help & advice appreciated,

Michael
From david.reitter at gmail.com  Thu Jul 30 02:47:48 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Thu Jul 30 02:49:24 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Soft word wrap
In-Reply-To: <A931D497-2471-4A3D-AB9C-6B4CDED271FB@inf.unibz.it>
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On Jul 29, 2009, at 5:34 PM, Enrico Franconi wrote:

> I am trying arbitrary combinations of the following, in various  
> customisation files, but none of these work (not even in the text  
> modes):
>
>  (add-hook 'text-mode-hook (lambda nil (setq word-wrap nil)))
>  (set-default 'word-wrap nil)
>  (setq word-wrap nil)

Why not use the built-in debug tools and some investigative effort to  
determine what is really going wrong? Trial and error will not fix the  
problem. 
  
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From david.reitter at gmail.com  Thu Jul 30 07:00:52 2009
From: david.reitter at gmail.com (David Reitter)
Date: Thu Jul 30 07:02:27 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 2.0 preview-1 available
Message-ID: <95C812AD-5FB3-4B6F-A982-2AD4ECFFFAB3@gmail.com>

The Aquamacs Project today provided a preview release of Aquamacs 2.0,  
the text and code editor for the Mac based on GNU Emacs 23.1.

Aquamacs 2.0 preview 1 introduces full Cocoa support and a number of  
associated features.  It is even faster and provides a smoother  
experience for Mac users.  Like the Mac version of Emacs 23.1, it is  
not yet as reliable and distributed as a preview only.  The download  
is available for direct download at

                      http://aquamacs.org/download-preview.shtml

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From kendall.gelner at kigisoftware.com  Thu Jul 30 18:26:45 2009
From: kendall.gelner at kigisoftware.com (Kendall Gelner)
Date: Thu Jul 30 18:52:59 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Changing magic-mode-alist for Objective-C files -
	keyword suggestions
Message-ID: <87E26155-DFAE-45FB-A432-C319987E2126@kigisoftware.com>

I've been using Aquamacs for a while for causal use, but with the  
preview release of 23 I've been thinking about using it more day to  
day in development workflow.

I've long wondered why the default for .m files is Matlab instead of  
objc-mode.  For a while now I've had the following added to my .emacs  
file:

(setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("\\.m$" . objc-mode) auto-mode-alist))
(setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("\\.h$" . objc-mode) auto-mode-alist))

But I figured there was a deeper reason why something like this was  
not the default after many revisions.  So I wandered through the  
mailing list archive, and  came across this message thread:

http://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-emacs/2009-January/001147.html

Which ended with:
--------
The right way to distinguish MATLAB from ObjC files would be via
`magic-mode-alist'.  That said, I don't see how to reliably identify
either file type.  I guess, ObjC files commonly have some comments /*
*/ or #include statements.
--------

Now first of all, I would say that I've felt a variant of emacs  
targeting OS X should by default load .m files in objc-mode.  After  
all, there are going to be a lot more people programming cocoa than  
Matlab (which I have used in the past, so I'm aware of what it is  
for).  But then it opens up the much more ambiguous question,  
should .h files come up in objc-mode by default?  In that case I would  
think it far less likely that someone using emacs would be editing  
Objective-C code than more standard C or C++ files just due to objc- 
users more likely using XCode.  But that leaves a very weird  
discrepancy in editing behavior, and so I guess we are at the current  
position...

But I would like to help, and I do think there are keywords you could  
latch onto that would help magic-mode-alist more correctly come up  
with the right result.  I believe the keywords to use would be:

.h files:
	@interface (would generally come with a paired .m file as well)
                  or
	@protocol  (in this case there is a .h file but no .m file)

.m files
	@implementation

These are pretty much always going to be present in the corresponding  
objective-C files (.h or .m).

Based on this, I tried a simple magic-mode-alist :

(add-to-list
  'magic-mode-alist
  '(".*^\@implementation.*" . objc-mode))

But this did not seem to work, instead the objective-C files open in  
fundamental mode.   Can anyone help with improving my syntax for using  
magic-mode-alist?   The only example I could find was for nxml mode,  
matching a string at the very start of the file (which none of the  
three objc strings would be, as @implementation and the others are in  
the middle).  Then it could be a useful default for Aquamacs  
thereafter....

At the very end of this email, I've included samples of a .m, a .h,  
and a protocol .h file that are representative of what one might find  
in an objective-C file in case anyone wants to test an alternate magic- 
mode-alist fix.  Immediately below is a richer .emacs configuration  
example I found to set defaults for opening .m and .h files correctly  
so that any list readers can get this set up correctly right away -  
though I agree with the sentiment that magic-mode-alist is the right  
way to fix this good and that's why I'd like my example above repaired.

Thanks in advance for any help!

----------------

;;
;; ===== Some basic XCode Integration =====
;;
(setq auto-mode-alist
       (cons '("\\.m$" . objc-mode) auto-mode-alist))
(setq auto-mode-alist
       (cons '("\\.mm$" . objc-mode) auto-mode-alist))

;;
;; ===== Opening header files =====
;; Allows to choose between objc-mode, c++-mode and c-mode
(defun bh-choose-header-mode ()
   (interactive)
   (if (string-equal (substring (buffer-file-name) -2) ".h")
       (progn
         ;; OK, we got a .h file, if a .m file exists we'll assume it's
         ; an objective c file. Otherwise, we'll look for a .cpp file.
	; if there's no matching .m or .cpp, then we assume objc as it might  
be a protocol.
         (let ((dot-m-file (concat (substring (buffer-file-name) 0 -1)  
"m"))
               (dot-cpp-file (concat (substring (buffer-file-name) 0  
-1) "cpp")))
           (if (file-exists-p dot-m-file)
               (progn
                 (objc-mode)
                 )
             (if (file-exists-p dot-cpp-file)
                 (c++-mode)
                 (objc-mode)
               )
	
             )
           )
         )
     )
   )

(add-hook 'find-file-hook 'bh-choose-header-mode)

----------------

Example Files


----------------  .m file ----------------

//
//  MyObjcFile.m
//
//  Created by Kendall Gelner on 7/30/09.
//  Copyright 2009 KiGi Software. All rights reserved.
//

#import "MyObjcFile.h"


@implementation MyObjcFile

@end

----------------  .h file ----------------

//
//  MyObjcFile.h
//
//  Created by Kendall Gelner on 7/30/09.
//  Copyright 2009 KiGi Software. All rights reserved.
//

#import <Foundation/Foundation.h>


@interface MyObjcFile : NSObject {

}

@end


----------------  .h protocol file ----------------
//
//  MyProtocol.h
//
//  Created by Kendall Gelner on 7/30/09.
//  Copyright 2009 KiGi Software. All rights reserved.
//

#import <Cocoa/Cocoa.h>


@protocol MyProtocol


@end

From olivier.marti at lsce.ipsl.fr  Fri Jul 31 09:55:43 2009
From: olivier.marti at lsce.ipsl.fr (Olivier Marti)
Date: Fri Jul 31 11:36:39 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] Aquamacs 2.0 preview-1 available
In-Reply-To: <95C812AD-5FB3-4B6F-A982-2AD4ECFFFAB3@gmail.com>
References: <95C812AD-5FB3-4B6F-A982-2AD4ECFFFAB3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DF8FCB24-EA6B-49A4-BFB0-6AC7E4C83402@lsce.ipsl.fr>


I can't make the server run correctly with this version

In Aquamacs M-x server-start seems to be ok
But then in the shell :

marti@Spip-~:emacsclient .bash_profile
emacsclient: connect: Connection refused
emacsclient: No socket or alternate editor.  Please use:

         --socket-name
         --server-file      (or environment variable EMACS_SERVER_FILE)
         --alternate-editor (or environment variable ALTERNATE_EDITOR)
marti@Spip-~:

It works perfectly well with Aquamacs Emacs 1.8.

Any idea ? Bug, or new features which needs a different configuration ?

Olivier


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From ignoramus at gmx.de  Fri Jul 31 13:28:46 2009
From: ignoramus at gmx.de (Karl Maihofer)
Date: Fri Jul 31 13:30:33 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] [Carbon Emacs]  fringe-width and fullscreen
Message-ID: <4A7329CE.9070400@gmx.de>

Dear Emacs-Users,

i'd like to use Carbon Emacs in fullscreen mode with a design similar to 
DarkRoom/WriteRoom.

For fullscreen mode I use the following in my .emacs:

-----------------------------------------------
(defun toggle-fullscreen ()
   (interactive)
   (set-frame-parameter nil 'fullscreen
       (if (frame-parameter nil 'fullscreen)
            nil
            'fullboth)))
-----------------------------------------------

In my "normal" setup i have fringes that are 15 wide:

-----------------------------------------------
(setq-default left-fringe-width 15)
(setq-default right-fringe-width 15)
-----------------------------------------------

Could anybody help me to integrate the last commands in the fullscreen 
function to set the fringes in fullscreen mode to 200? When i swith back 
to "normal" view, the fringes should be set back to 15.

Thanks a lot!

Karl
From skip at pobox.com  Fri Jul 31 22:59:22 2009
From: skip at pobox.com (skip@pobox.com)
Date: Fri Jul 31 23:17:49 2009
Subject: [OS X Emacs] How do I make fixed width fonts the default in
	Aquamacs 2?
Message-ID: <20090801025922.F38931197A36@montanaro.dyndns.org>

I just downloaded the Aquamacs 2 preview release.  My default font is now
variable width (something called Skia?) I changed the default face font
family to courier in the Basic Faces group but that didn't help.  I don't
see any obvious way to tell Aquamacs to use a fixed width font by default.

This seems to me to be something which should be trivial to figure out.  I
am a programmer, not an author.  Variable width fonts are a detriment, not
an improvement for me.  Looking at code rendered in variable width just
gives me a headache, especially Python, where indentation matters.

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