From gray at engr.psu.edu  Sun Jun 24 20:02:03 2001
From: gray at engr.psu.edu (Gary L. Gray)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:02:03 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop 1.1 is available
Message-ID: <p0510100eb75c2eb977de@[192.168.0.2]>



<x-flowed>TeXShop 1.1 was released this weekend. As you can see below, we now 
have the option of typesetting to dvi files so that we no longer have 
to convert eps files to pdf before including them in LaTeX documents. 
I haven't tried this yet, but I am keeping my fingers crossed that I 
will have fewer font problems. Now if only Adobe would release a 
Carbon version of Illustrator.

In addition, teTeX now has a very nice installer and includes GhostScript.

Looks good!

The following changes were made in version 1.1:

*  TeXShop has an additional typesetting mode which runs latex to 
produce a dvi file, dvips to convert it to a postscript file, and 
ps2pdf to convert the postscript to pdf. A menu item allows users to 
change between this typesetting engine and pdflatex. In the new mode, 
eps illustrations can be used without conversion, postscript special 
commands work, and certain bitmap fonts which do not correctly 
display using pdflatex can be seen. Thanks to Sean Luke for providing 
the original script for this mode, and to Gerben Wierda for polishing 
the script and including it in teTeX.
*  TeXShop preferences have been modified to work with a new 
compilation of teTeX.
*  The previous version of TeXShop did not correctly indicate changes 
made to tex source after saving to disk, so users could close the 
file without being asked if they wanted to save changes. This is 
fixed.
*  The previous version did not allow users to save changes made to 
bibtex files. This is fixed.

Version 1.1 of TeXShop is accompanied by a new compilation of teTeX 
by Gerben Wierda. The new compilation has numerous bug fixes and 
improvements, including

*  teTeX comes with an installer; the Terminal program is no longer 
needed during installation.
*  Both teTeX and ghostscript are installed. Ghostscript is used by a 
few new teTeX programs.
*  teTeX and pdftex have been upgraded to the latest versions.
*  Bibtex now works with files using Macintosh line feed conventions, 
so such files need no longer be converted before being used.
*  teTeX has been configured so users can install their own style 
files, fonts, etc. in ~/Library/teTeX. Therefore the file texmf.cnf 
does not need to be reconfigured, as in the past.
*  Texconfig can handle pdftex.
*  ConTeXt has been upgraded to the latest version.
*  Texinfo has been upgraded to the latest version.
*  The bbold font now works.
*  Epstopdf.sty has been added.
*  An aldpdftex script, used by the new TeXShop typesetting mode, has 
been added.
*  The new version of pdftex accepts many pdf illustrations which 
were mangled by earlier versions.


You can see my info on the new TeXShop at:

<http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/>

or you can head straight for the TeXShop web site at:

<http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~koch/texshop/texshop.html>
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From csmith at barebones.com  Tue Jun 12 15:53:43 2001
From: csmith at barebones.com (Christian Smith)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:53:43 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit & TeX
In-Reply-To: <E159tLc-0005Mc-00@wotan.me.unm.edu>
Message-ID: <20010612155348-b01010703-6196463e-0910-010c@204.107.232.107>



On Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 12:57 PM, starr at unm.edu (Gregory P. Starr) wrote:

> Yes, but it isn't compatible with OS X.  I found this out from BB in 
> response to this exact question.  Lack of a "helpful" editor is 
> troubling me greatly at this point.

Contact the author of the plug-in and let him know you need a version of
this that works with OS X. Also, take a look at the Glossary feature and
see if this will do what you need.

-- 
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From jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr  Tue Jun  5 03:43:33 2001
From: jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr (laurens)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:43:33 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
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References: <20010604003024.KEVI27183.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@localhost>
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the problem of personal tex files location came a few days ago, the
question was:  where should one install its own packages and other tex
stuff? At this time the answer was to install all these supplementary files
at the right location in the texmf tree. It is not satisfying.
I think that the right answer is partially: inside the /Library folder...
but where exactly?

My opinion is that /library and ~/Library should contain the same
hierarchy. In the first location an administrator will place files
available to all the users, in the second one, each user will place files
of its own. I suggest the following hierarchy as a basis for a discussion
and I am waiting for your suggestions.

(~)/Library/TeXMF Support/TeX
                         /TeX/Shell Scripts
                         /TeX/TeX Input
                         /TeX/TeX Input/TeX (input .tex files)
                         /TeX/TeX Input/LaTeX (packages in folders...)
                         /TeX/TeX Input/?
                         /TeX/TeX Format (for further use)
                         /TeX/TeX Fonts (linked to (~)/Library/Fonts ??? :(
                         /Metafont
                         /?



the way those files are accessed is another problem that should be resolved
by appropriate shell scripts.




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From zaccone at bucknell.edu  Wed Jun 27 10:42:14 2001
From: zaccone at bucknell.edu (Rick Zaccone)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:42:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Excalibur 4.0b1
Message-ID: <200106271442.KAA25768@castor.eg.bucknell.edu>



Excalibur 4.0b1 is now available to readers of this list.  I decided
to make it available here, because people that read this list are most
likely to use its new features.

I have tested this version a good bit with Mac OS 9.1 and Mac OS X and
I'm not aware of any bugs.  You will need at least Mac OS 8.6 to run
it.  I would appreciate it if someone with Mac OS 8.6 would verify
that it does work.

<http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~excalibr/Excalibur-4.0b1.sit>

There's no link to this file from the Excalibur home page since I'm
not ready to make it generally available yet.

Note that the version number has increased to 4.  Although I haven't
added any new features, it feels like a major release because I had to
change so many things to get it to work.  That's why I bumped up the
number to the left of the decimal point.

William Adams has volunteered to create new Excalibur icons (Thanks!)
and they are not included in this test version.  They will appear in
version 4.0.

Please let me know if you find any bugs.  You are welcome to send
feature requests too, but I'm not likely to implement any of them
soon.  I just spent more than a month working on this and I need to
move on to other things.

What's New:

- Carbonized

- Can't automatically open the clipboard yet.  This feature will
  return in a future release, if there's enough demand and after Apple
  has updated its manuals.  The options related to this are now dimmed
  in the Startup preferences panel.  This is to remind you that they
  aren't available.

- All program text now comes from a resource.  This makes it easier to
  localize.

- When running under MacOS X, there is a cosmetic problem in the Edit
  Commands dialog.  The items in the number of arguments column don't
  line up.  I will fix this when Apple provides a means for doing it.

- Larger fields for flagged words.

- No more balloon help.  Sorry, but Carbon doesn't allow it!

- The Help menu is gone.

Bugs Fixed:

- A word will be recognized as the same word regardless of how its
  accent is typed.  This applies to LaTeX users.

- Fixed a minor problem with translating a capital A with a grave
  accent into its TeX equivalent.

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From ross at ics.mq.edu.au  Sat Jun 16 22:31:40 2001
From: ross at ics.mq.edu.au (Ross Moore)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:31:40 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Macro Question
In-Reply-To: <200106170102.UAA05268@gamma2.uta.edu> from Zachary Davis at
 "Jun 16, 2001 08:01:11 pm"
Message-ID: <200106170231.MAA22477@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au>




> Can anyone explain to me what is wrong with the following macro?  I keep
> getting an error in the TeX log saying that it will assume that I
> meant ##:
> 
> \def\linespacint#1{\baselineskip=#1\normalbaselineskip}

Is this definition within the macro-expansion part of another
definition; e.g.

 \newenvironment{myenv}
  {.... \def\linespacint#1{\baselineskip=#1\normalbaselineskip}...}
  {.....}

If so then the message is correct.
  #1, #2, .... refer to parameters of the  \myenv 
  defined by the \newenvironment declaration.

To set parameters to  \linespacint and refer to them,
you need to say:
  \def\linespacint##1{\baselineskip=##1\normalbaselineskip}

Similarly, if your internally defined macro itself defines
further macros, then each # needs further doubling:

 \newenvironment{myenv}
  {.... \def\linespacint#1{%
    \def\next####1{\typeout{####1}...}.....}%
   ...}
  {...}


The same considerations apply for any definition macro:
  \def \edef \gdef \xdef 
  \newcommand  \providecommand  \nextheorem \DeclareRobustCommand
  \renewcommand  \renewenvironment  etc.


Hope this helps,

	Ross Moore
  




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From paolo at hss.caltech.edu  Mon Jun 11 20:01:40 2001
From: paolo at hss.caltech.edu (Paolo Ghirardato)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:01:40 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TexShop crashing OS X
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<x-flowed>>Did you ever send me any of those pdf files? Apple sent me an email 
>asking for sample files to test (and I don't have any of my own).
>
>Fredrik

I did send one to Jonas ... (I don't remember his last name, sorry!), 
and he sent it to Apple. If you want, I can send you one, too (off 
the list, of course).
paolo

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From J.Huelsmann at tu-bs.de  Thu Jun 28 12:05:56 2001
From: J.Huelsmann at tu-bs.de (J.Huelsmann)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:05:56 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Excalibur 4.0b1
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<x-flowed>Great!
My spelling is back...
I can use the old prefs -> also great.

Here is a suggestion:
It would be great if I could reach Excalibur from any cocoa 
application via the services-menu, or via the edit menu of the 
specific application.
(... but is this possible for a not cocoa app?)

--Jan--

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From farwer at informatik.uni-hamburg.de  Thu Jun 21 16:20:08 2001
From: farwer at informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Berndt Farwer)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:20:08 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] opening .tex files under OS X?
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<x-flowed>
On Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 04:55 , Michael Murray wrote:
> But this is setting it file by file unless I am missing the point. Is 
> there
> a way of telling it anything ending in .tex goes to TeXShop or BBEdit or
> whatever ?  It seems to me that MacOSX does this sometimes with files
> I download but I am not sure how you set it up.
>
> I guess one could write an applescript to do this assuming that
> particular command is applelscriptable.

... you can however open the File>Show Info window and select a bunch of 
files (this is reflected in the top line "x items are selected") and 
change the preferred application for all of these.

Berndt Farwer
(farwer at informatik.uni-hamburg.de)


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From zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu  Tue Jun 12 00:04:47 2001
From: zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu (Zachary Davis)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:04:47 -0500
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop
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<x-flowed windows-1252>Monday, 11 June 2001


Ahh yes...that is my problem--sorry for bothering you all--serious case 
of TeX newbie disorder...he he he.  Now, does the teTex distribution 
contain all the fonts one would possibly use, or do I need to worry 
about installing others?  Additionally, is BBedit something to look 
into, or do most TexShop users find the included editor adequate?

Thanks,

On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 10:52  PM, Gary L. Gray wrote:

> On 6/11/2001 at 10:49 PM -0500, Zachary Davis wrote:
>
>> Monday, 11 June 2001
>>
>> Dr. Murray,
>>
>> Upon following your instructions I again get the following error:
>>
>> [localhost:~] zdavis% pdflatex Untitled 3.tex
>> This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1)
>> ! I can't find file `Untitled'.
>> <*> Untitled
>>              3.tex
>> Please type another input file name:
>
> What if you don't have any spaces in the name? Uses dashes or 
> underscores.
> --    Gary L. Gray
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>    Penn State University
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From karim at telia.com  Fri Jun  1 16:13:23 2001
From: karim at telia.com (karim daho)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:13:23 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an
 editorial
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<x-flowed>We want Textures to work on MacOSX
On fredag, juni 1, 2001, at 10:09 , Arthur Ogus wrote:

> My understanding is that Blue Sky is still trying to evaluate the cost 
> of and the market for its various options.  Communicate with them and 
> try to tell them what you want.
> -- Arthur Ogus
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From wadams at atlis.com  Mon Jun 25 12:30:18 2001
From: wadams at atlis.com (William Adams)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:30:18 -0400
Subject: Freehand vice Illustrator (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop 1.1 is 
 available)
References: <E15EZ33-0007Az-00@wisbech.cl.cam.ac.uk>
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I'm a long-time FreeHand user (and use Altsys Virtuoso 2.0 on my NeXT
Cube---it was the direct antecedent of Freehand v4, which was
essentially a port of that program to Mac/Windows)

I find FreeHand to be much more efficient and flexible than Illustrator,
with a nicer, more useful featureset. It's also better at handling
multiple page documents.

The Demo is decent (though Carbon and not Cocoa :( and for those not
expecting Virtuoso's level of integration and Display PostScript
features, is okay---but there's no .eps parser, so one must wash
documents through .pdf (and Freehand 10 seems _very_ capable of editing .pdfs)

William

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From vatsal at math.ubc.ca  Tue Jun 12 18:22:27 2001
From: vatsal at math.ubc.ca (V. Vatsal)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:22:27 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Editor choices
Message-ID: <191937.992359347@nimbus.math.ubc.ca>



<x-flowed>I've been messing about with various editors in OSX, to find one that works 
well for me. Here's my 10 cents worth (and it's Canadian money, so really 
not worth anything.)

I have tried:

A) BBEdit: Like many of the people on this list, I don't find the TeX 
syntax coloring in BBEdit to be particularly useful or even robust. It was 
even broken in 5.1 -- it used to color everything between dollar signs, and 
often got confused. Now it doesn't color delimiters at all, which is worse, 
in my opinion.

B) Pepper: http://www.hekkelman.com/pepper.html

Quite nice. Lots of nifty features, decent coloring. It does most of the 
things I want, but for $45 it's a bit pricey.

C) Alpha in classic. Love the LaTeX features, frequently get frustrated 
with the interface, and waste time on trivial things. And it's not ready 
for OS X yet.

D) emacs/xemacs: haven't gotten around to installing emacs yet, but if it's 
the same as emacs in unix/linux, then it's going to be pretty decent. That 
being said, the interface is just not intuive to me, and, as with Alpha, I 
end up wasting time with it.

On balance, I find I am most productive with BBEdit and Pepper, although 
the non-colored delimiters in BBEdit 6.1 are annoying. BBEdit undoubtedly 
worked best for me in Mac OS 9; glossary items provide access to all the 
templates I need. I also liked the find and mark all feature -- it's great 
for managing big documents.

I'd fork out the $$ for 6.1, but the syntax coloring problem is a turn off. 
But as Christian Smith of Barebones sez, it's possible to change this, by 
writing a replacement module. I wanted to do this myself, but I don't have 
Codewarrior, or time to learn about programming in C, just at the present 
moment. (Maybe when I get tenure, but then it might be easier just to quite 
TeXing :))

In any case, I have a minimalist coloring scheme in mind that would work 
for me. I'd suggest two things

i) color any occurence of $ $$ { }
ii) anything that matches \[xxx]+, where xxx+ means zero or more alphabetic 
characters. The match should stop when the pattern reaches any 
non-alphabetic character.

Any comments/ideas? The above seems simple enough that it ought not to be 
so incredibly hard to program.



=============================
V. Vatsal
Department of Mathematics
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC
Canada


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From mikeyg at cerebro.cs.xu.edu  Tue Jun  5 09:12:23 2001
From: mikeyg at cerebro.cs.xu.edu (Michael Goldweber)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:12:23 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
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<x-flowed>	I must echo Ross Moore's recommendation.  By all means create 
your own archive of tex inputs (or packages from CTAN not included in 
the standard teTeX distribution), but put them in the TDS format.

In addition to Ross's reasons I offer the following:

1) It works and it will ultimately translate into less work for you.

2) By creating your own ~/texmf or ~/lib/texmf you can have one texmf 
tree (teTeX) that remains untouched for ease of upgrading and 
CMacTeX, teTeX, and TeXShop all work without any extra work!  (OzTeX 
is easily pointed to this location through its local configuration 
file as well.)

CMacTeX expects a local texmf tree; one creates an alias to it in the 
application folder.

TeXShop CANNOT read the TEXINPUTS environment variables suggested by 
Serafim so this solution is not helpful to TeXShop users.

----
For the bashful out there, modifying 
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf is trivial.

Michael Murray previously posted to this list some instructions on 
modifying texmf.cnf
Instead of his approach
	TEXMF = {~/Library/texmf,!!$TEXMFMAIN}

I would suggest un-commenting the definition for HOMETEXMF and then 
using this definition for TEXMF
	% User texmf trees can be catered for like this...
	HOMETEXMF = $HOME/lib/texmf            %%-or wherever you 
wish your local TDS tree to reside
	TEXMF = {$HOMETEXMF,!!$TEXMFMAIN}


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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Wed Jun 27 20:33:49 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:03:49 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeX + GhostScript option not working ??
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<x-flowed>>  > I discovered I couldn't do any form of latex from the command line -
>>  always the same error.  Is this a feature or a bug :-)
>
>You have to enable symlinks in the installer, and to do that you first have to
>enable the relevant button using a menu.  Peculiar, and possibly a positive
>attempt to discourage the use of symlinks...
>--
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Hi

I tried that this morning and it didn't work. So I then removed the
whole teTeX directory from /usr/local and did a reinstall with the
option of setting symlinks. Now I can
run latex from the terminal and I can do altpdflatex from the
terminal and it creates a dvi and seems to run OK. I reinstalled
TeXShop to be sure and I can do pdflatex but when I run with the TeX
+ Ghostscript option nothing happens. Nothing in the console. It just
sits.

Any thoughts ?



Thanks - Michael

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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Sun Jun 17 03:24:35 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:54:35 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Macro Question
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<x-flowed>>Can anyone explain to me what is wrong with the following macro?  I 
>keep getting an error in the TeX log saying that it will assume that 
>I meant ##:
>
>\def\linespacint#1{\baselineskip=#1\normalbaselineskip}
>
>Thanks,
>

Hi Zachary


This works for me:

---------------------
\def\linespacing#1{\baselineskip=#1\normalbaselineskip}
\linespacing{5}

this is a test this is a test this is ates this is ates this is theiaotieh
this is a test this is a test this is ates this is ates this is theiaotieh
this is a test this is a test this is ates this is ates this is theiaotieh
this is a test this is a test this is ates this is ates this is theiaotieh
this is a test this is a test this is ates this is ates this is theiaotieh
\end
-----------------

in TeXShop running TeX.


Michael
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From csmith at barebones.com  Mon Jun 11 21:17:23 2001
From: csmith at barebones.com (Christian Smith)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:17:23 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: MacOSX-TeX Digest #31 - 06/11/01
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On 6/11/01 at 8:48 PM, charles.bouldin at nist.gov (Charles Bouldin) wrote:

> On the subject of editors, I use the full version of BBEdit on OS X, 
> so I haven't looked at the new 6.1 BBEdit Lite on X...does it support 
> TeX syntax colorization?

No, nor will it ever likely support syntax coloring. This is a feature
reserved for the full version of BBEdit.

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From zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu  Fri Jun  1 00:40:08 2001
From: zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu (Zachary Davis)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 23:40:08 -0500
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
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<x-flowed windows-1252>Thursday, 31 May 2001


Dr. Gray,

I absolutely agree, I have recently turned to Textures to learn TeX as 
well as LaTeX, and have just this past semester become comfortable in 
writing TeX and LaTeX documents.  I would much prefer to use a native 
TeX/LaTeX setup, rather than Textures in Classic.  However, I am not 
sure what all the various programs that all of you are running to do 
your TeX/LaTeX writing are actually used for (i.e. TeX Shop, CMacTex, 
etc.)  I understand that an editor such as BBedit is required; though 
I've never used that before either.

Textures was convenient in that everything seemed bundled together as 
far as fonts, various packages, editor, etc.  I also really like the 
sychronizing feature of Textures, which allows the user to see the .dvi 
output file as you add to your input file.  If anyone has the time, to 
explain how I might set up my Ti Book to run TeX/LaTeX natively under OS 
X in a manner similar to what I have learned to expect in Textures, I 
would be much obliged.  It would be nice to know what TeX Engine I need, 
if there are any weird installation procedures, ease of use, editor of 
choice, additional fonts I need to install, any packages I need to run 
LaTeX, pdf viewers, and whether it is possible to see the output as I 
type.

I am saddened to see Blue Sky not carbonizing their software, as I 
believe Steve Jobs is correct in saying that early adopters are looking 
for native applications to run, not brand loyalty.  I just downloaded 
the new version of OmniWeb, and am thoroughly impressed.

Thanks,

Zach Davis
On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 10:54  PM, Gary L. Gray wrote:

> On 5/31/2001 at 11:14 PM -0400, Bryan S. Morse wrote:
>
>> And while we're at it: running under Classic doesn't cut it--a 
>> Carbonized
>> version of Textures is needed!  I hate having to restart Textures 
>> because
>> another Classic app crashes.
>
> I apologize for posting to both lists since I know that many of you are 
> on both, but I thought I should send this to everyone.
>
> Here is my two cents and then some ...
>
> I completely agree that a Carbonized version of Textures is needed. 
> Blue Sky (i.e., Barry Smith) has stated:
>
> At 3:19 PM -0700 4/1/2001, Barry Smith wrote:
>
>> Yes, we do
>> have plans to make Textures a native OS X application.  It will
>> not, however, be something that will happen quickly, and we
>> do not, as a rule, publicize schedule information about our product
>> plans.  We are very pleased to find that Textures as it is apparently
>> runs perfectly under the OS X Classic environment; Apple has
>> corrected the system problem which caused printing difficulties,
>> and we know of no problems with Textures and OS X at this time.
>>
>> Our plans for Textures and OS X are, as our users might expect,
>> to do more than to just "Carbonize" the existing Textures application,
>> more than to just "make it native" with no fundamental or feature
>> changes.  We have the opportunity, and we plan to invest the effort,
>> to completely re-implement Textures: to take what we have learned
>> in the (yes) fifteen years of Textures' existence to simplify and 
>> enhance
>> the user interface and the underlying organization and structures that
>> make Textures what it is.  Textures for OS X will share little, if any,
>> code from the current Textures, but will contain most of its concepts
>> and all of our learning about TeX and its users.
>>
>> Recently we circulated a request for information from our users as
>> to your expectations and desires for your moving to OS X, and we
>> were extremely pleased with the response, which was voluminous
>> and (nearly) unequivocal: Textures users are at the forefront and will
>> be choosing to move to OS X, with deliberate speed and high 
>> expectations.
>>
>> We wish that we could say that Textures for OS X will be out "real
>> soon now", but we, and you, know that that could not be the case,
>> when you understand the scope of our plans for the native environment.
>> We are naturally pleased and (of course :) not surprised that the 
>> current
>> Textures runs well under the Classic environment, and we are surely
>> confident that Textures will rarely (if ever) be the cause of Classic 
>> crashes.
>> As the OS X platform makes it practical and desirable to support PDF
>> as an illustration format, we will if it is feasible issue an interim
>> Classic Textures which offers support for PDF illustrations.
>
> I read this as "don't hold your breath waiting for a Mac OS X version 
> of Textures". I am, as many others seem to be, very disappointed that 
> we are all going to have to find other solutions. Tom Kiffe and Richard 
> Koch et al. have come through with OS X solutions and it appears that 
> people are going to switch and never look back. I am not interested in 
> having to run something in Classic when a Mac OS X version is 
> available. I, and my students, have been using both CMacTeX and TeXShop 
> as we try and decide which will be our choice for Mac OS X. At last 
> week's WWDC, Jobs said that surveys have overwhelmingly shown that 
> people are more interested in native solutions than they are in brand 
> loyalty --- it seems to me that Blue Sky should be very worried in 
> light of this information. I have been told that Blue Sky is developing 
> a Windows version of Textures. If this is true, then I think Blue Sky 
> is making a terrible mistake. They are arriving pretty late to the 
> Windows game and will have difficulty penetrating that market. This is 
> on top of the fact that their loyal Mac customers are going to find 
> other solutions rather than waiting to switch to Mac OS X. I know Blue 
> Sky is a small company with limited resources, but it seems to me (and 
> I am sure many of you will tell me if you think I am wrong) that they 
> should be concentrating their efforts on their CURRENT loyal customer 
> base rather than a NONEXISTENT FUTURE customer base that may never 
> materialize.
>
> I would love to hear what other people think (please mail to the list 
> rather than to just me so that we can have a discussion on this 
> matter). Maybe if there is a large enough cry, we can have three 
> choices instead of two. :-)
>
> Best regards,
> --    Gary L. Gray
>    Associate Professor
>    Engineering Science & Mechanics
>    Penn State University
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From warren at dirac.phys.washington.edu  Thu Jun 28 14:37:40 2001
From: warren at dirac.phys.washington.edu (Warren Nagourney)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:37:40 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeX + GhostScript option and \psfig
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<x-flowed>Hello,

I was very pleased to see that the new version of TeXShop (1.1) allowes 
.eps files to be displayed using the TeX+Ghostscript option. This has been 
the deciding factor in allowing me to switch from TeXtures to TeXshop as I 
have many documents with embedded .eps graphics.

Unfortunately, nearly all of these documents use the \psfig command to 
display the .eps file and this doesn't work (at least it doesn't preview). 
Although I am having printing problems from OSX, I assume it won't print 
either since the .pdf file doesn't display the graphics.

However, using the \includegraphics environment works fine as does using 
\epsfig (according to a friend who does this). Does anyone have any ideas 
why \epsfig should work but the very similar \psfig should not?

Thanks.

Warren Nagourney
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From fwallenberg at mac.com  Thu Jun 21 21:47:20 2001
From: fwallenberg at mac.com (Fredrik Wallenberg)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:47:20 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] bibliography database management?
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<x-flowed>
On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 08:55 , Gary L. Gray wrote:

> (2) If EndNote doesn't appear for Mac OS X, does anyone have any 
> suggestions on what to use for bibliography management under OS X?

Well, no... I emailed David Eppstein (BibGene) yesterday to ask about OS 
X. His response was "I don't have any immediate plans to port to OS X 
but I'm guessing I'll have to do it eventually."

However, I've just been testing BibGene and EndNote and found that, 
since all I'm interested in is BibTex (rather than integration with Word 
etc.), EndNote may be an overkill pricewise. BibGene seems to be doing a 
pretty good job although the interface isn't all that polished and it 
wont connect to online databases the way EndNote does.

Both products seem to run just fine in Classic.

Fredrik

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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Tue Jun 12 02:49:07 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:19:07 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop
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<x-flowed>>>[...] or you can go to the Finder and
>>hit the Go menu and the do Go to Folder and type in /usr/local
>>the Finder will go to that directory. You can then look through the 
>>teTeX folder. You cannot click and open folders and find your way 
>>to /usr/local
>>as the Finder trys to hide it.
>
>Thanks a lot for this tip - extremely handy. Now I can just drag TeX 
>macro files onto my favourite editor and see what's in there.
>
>Also discovered all that programs already on my Mac - emacs vi etc. 
>Never suspected so!
>
>Bruno Voisin
>


Another useful tip pointed out to me by someone else is
if you are in terminal and drag a file onto the open terminal
window it will type in the path.

Michael

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From paolo at hss.caltech.edu  Fri Jun  1 17:36:31 2001
From: paolo at hss.caltech.edu (Paolo Ghirardato)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:36:31 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an 
 editorial
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<x-flowed>>Martin Stokhof wrote:

>I've been using Textures since I don't know how long (before 
>postscript CM fonts anyway). But I want to (and soon will need to) 
>make the switch to OS X. So I've downloaded TeXShop and CMacTeX and 
>starting using them.
>I really appreciate the efforts that Richard Koch and Tom Kiffe and 
>others have put into these applications, and I am grateful to them 
>for making the results freely available. But I must admit that I 
>miss the compactness and robustness of Textures. And I especially 
>miss synchronicity.  I for one would be willing to pay for a 
>carbonized version ofTextures, but not if synchronicity were dropped.
>But such a carbonized version of Textures should not take too long 
>to become available. Running Textures in Classic is akward  and 
>given my set up is not really an option anyway. So I guess it might 
>not take that long before I learn to accept life (well, work ;-) 
>without synchronicity and make the switch to TeXShop and/or CMacTeX.

I fully agree with Martin's opinion. A carbonized version of Textures 
soon would be certainly most welcome, but not if the cost is losing 
synchronicity, which is what I miss the most of Textures. (I 
certainly don't miss the editor -- sorry Barry!)
paolo

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From starr at unm.edu  Fri Jun 22 12:31:03 2001
From: starr at unm.edu (Gregory P. Starr)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:31:03 -0600
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop: \footnotemark and \footnotetext behavior?
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<x-flowed>I have a previously-correct LaTeX document that I typeset under TeXShop, 
and the footnoting for the \author content isn't correct.

For example,
---
\author{G. Starr\footnotemark[1]
\and R. Lumia\footnotemark[1]
\and J. Wood\footnotemark[1]
\and Y. Liu\footnotemark[2]}

\footnotetext[1]{Professor, Mechanical Engineering}
\footnotetext[2]{Ph.D. Student, Mechanical Engineering}
---

incorrectly produces marks of "*" and "dagger" at the author names, but 
the footnotes are correctly numbered 1 and 2.  Any ideas?

	--greg

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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Wed Jun 13 08:58:36 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:28:36 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Pepper burnt me :-)
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<x-flowed>>I launched Pepper and open a single file. Now lots of my files that end
>in .tex are Pepper files.  Does anyone know how I turn this off in X -
>in 9 I would rebuild the desktop ...
>

OK I fixed it. I deleted Pepper and its pref's file. I scrolled down a
list view in Finder and it hung with the spinning CD. I force quit
and when it rebooted all the Pepper icons had gone and TeXShop
was back.  I also remembered that I could have set the
file for the application in get info.

Michael
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From hodas at cs.hmc.edu  Tue Jun  5 18:29:30 2001
From: hodas at cs.hmc.edu (Joshua S. Hodas)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:29:30 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Carbon CMacTeX
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<x-flowed>Tom,

Can you tell me if you know whether the ``prosper" macros
(for making powerpoint-like presentations) work with
CMacTex, and how hard they are to install in that setting.

I am desperately in search of some way of running prosper on
the mac.

Josh
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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Thu Jun 28 01:53:58 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:23:58 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeX + GhostScript option not working ??
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<x-flowed>>Michael!
>
>
>Should not the right location of epstopdf be:
>
>[localhost:~] almeh% which epstopdf
>/usr/local/teTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin1.3.7/epstopdf    ?
>
>
>Alexander Mehlmann
>http://www.eos.tuwien.ac.at/OR/Mehlmann/mehlmann.html
>


Hi Alexander

Yes you are a right. I reinstalled everything and thats
where mine is now.  I can now get everything to
work on the command line but I still can't get TeXShop to run
as TeX+Ghostscript. The console just comes up and stays blank.


Thanks - Michael


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From wadams at atlis.com  Mon Jun 18 09:01:30 2001
From: wadams at atlis.com (William Adams)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:01:30 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Patch for pdftex for subsetted font
 printingproblem  binaries available?
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Dr. Paul Fons said:
> I (and many others I assume) would 
> love to be able to just download the binaries instead of having to 
> recompile teTeX (in my case for the first time).

Although I agree here, I'd like to note in passing that ``Fink'' when it
installs LyX, seems to compile TeX.... so, if one could unify its tetex
distribution with that of TeXShop then all one'd need to do is d/l the
patch, apply it to the source and re-fink (is that a word?!?)

FWIW, I'd really like to see a Mac OS X-native port of LyX (or would
there be some way to make Mac OS X features like Services available to
X-Window apps?)

William

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From gray at engr.psu.edu  Mon Jun 11 21:47:27 2001
From: gray at engr.psu.edu (Gary L. Gray)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:47:27 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: MacOSX-TeX Digest #31 - 06/11/01
In-Reply-To: <p05101027b74b2290481e@[10.0.1.10]>
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<x-flowed>On 6/12/2001 at 11:10 AM +0930, Michael Murray wrote:

>I would also like a bit more syntax colouring like
>colouring the $ signs.  But then I am an Alpha exile !

Agreed! Those of you who would like to see this come back to BBEdit 
should write them and let them know. It used to be there and they 
said that some people asked them to remove syntax coloring for math 
mode. I have asked a couple of times to bring it back, but apparently 
I am not enough. :-)

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From karim at telia.com  Fri Jun  1 04:19:15 2001
From: karim at telia.com (karim daho)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:19:15 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
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<x-flowed>I absolutely agree and hope that Tom Kiffe and Richard Koch are reading  
this and thanks them for the wonderfull work they are doing.
On fredag, juni 1, 2001, at 06:46 , Gary L. Gray wrote:

> On 5/31/2001 at 11:40 PM -0500, Zachary Davis wrote:
>
>> I absolutely agree, I have recently turned to Textures to learn TeX as 
>> well as LaTeX, and have just this past semester become comfortable in 
>> writing TeX and LaTeX documents.  I would much prefer to use a native 
>> TeX/LaTeX setup, rather than Textures in Classic. However, I am not 
>> sure what all the various programs that all of you are running to do 
>> your TeX/LaTeX writing are actually used for (i.e. TeX Shop, CMacTex, 
>> etc.)  I understand that an editor such as BBedit is required; though 
>> I've never used that before either.
>>
>> Textures was convenient in that everything seemed bundled together as 
>> far as fonts, various packages, editor, etc.  I also really like the 
>> sychronizing feature of Textures, which allows the user to see the 
>> .dvi output file as you add to your input file.  If anyone has the 
>> time, to explain how I might set up my Ti Book to run TeX/LaTeX 
>> natively under OS X in a manner similar to what I have learned to 
>> expect in Textures, I would be much obliged.  It would be nice to know 
>> what TeX Engine I need, if there are any weird installation 
>> procedures, ease of use, editor of choice, additional fonts I need to 
>> install, any packages I need to run LaTeX, pdf viewers, and whether it 
>> is possible to see the output as I type.
>
> I think the above statements are an important message to both Tom Kiffe 
> and Richard Koch. Many of us are not coming from TeX in the UNIX world, 
> we are coming from TeX in the Mac world with Textures. We need REALLY 
> detailed and complete instructions on how to do install and run things 
> under Mac OS X. This is especially true for fonts and associated files. 
> We need to know where to put the fonts, what config files need messing 
> with, etc.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --    Gary L. Gray
>    Associate Professor
>    Engineering Science & Mechanics
>    Penn State University
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From stokhof at hum.uva.nl  Fri Jun 22 03:31:17 2001
From: stokhof at hum.uva.nl (Martin Stokhof)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:31:17 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] BibTex errors using TexShop
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<x-flowed>Probably the problem is that your .bib file has Mac line feeds 
whereas the BibTeX that comes with TeXShop expects Unix line feeds 
(and hence reads your file as one big line). You can open the file in 
BBedit and save it in Unix format.

Martin Stokhof

At 23:54 -0700 on 21/06/01, Fredrik Wallenberg wrote:

>I get the following message in the Tex console:
>
>This is BibTeX, Version 0,99c (Web2C 7.3.1)
>The top-level auxiliary file: stickyweb.aux
>The style file: plain.bst
>Database file#1: FWBibiliography.bib
>Sorry---you've exceeded BibTeX's buffer size 5000
>Aborted at line 0 of file FWBibiliography.bib
>(That was a fatal error)
>
>
>Is there anyone who knows how to fix this (it is probably trivial, 
>but I haven't found the answer documented in any of the "easy to 
>access" sources).
>
>Thanks,
>
>Fredrik
>
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From tsl1 at cornell.edu  Tue Jun 12 08:00:43 2001
From: tsl1 at cornell.edu (Timothy Larkin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:00:43 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit & TeX
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<x-flowed>Now that we're on the subject of BBEdit, is there a plugin that inserts 
templates for TeX commands, the way Alpha does in LaTeX mode?

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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Sun Jun  3 07:30:20 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 21:00:20 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop text ?
In-Reply-To: <p05100301b73e155cd47a@[208.180.2.2]>
References: <200105141807.TAA23366@legik260.hmg.inpg.fr>
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<x-flowed>I'm not sure if I've posted the first of these questions before.

If I open a TeXShop file in BBEdit it has lots of little
rectangles. Is this some problem with UNIX versus mac line feeds?

Tonight
I ftped a lot of TeXShop files to my web server - I think they went as binary
I used Interarchy. Then I tested one on the UNIX machine the students
use - none of them will run as the spurious characters are
still there.

The only solution I could find was to cut  from the TeXShop file
paste into BBEdit and then save that.  Then I ftped that onto
the UNIX machine and it was fine.

Anyone got a better solution or an explanation of why this occurs ?


Thanks - Michael
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From gray at engr.psu.edu  Tue Jun 26 14:13:27 2001
From: gray at engr.psu.edu (Gary L. Gray)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:13:27 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeX + GhostScript option in TeXShop 1.1
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<x-flowed>Everyone (Dick Koch, in particular),

When we use the TeX + GhostScript option in TeXShop, it would be nice 
if TeXShop would not delete the PostScript file that is generated in 
the typesetting process. This would allow us to open that file in 
Illustrator to grab figure labels and the like. Is this something 
would be easy to implement? I understand that we don't want a large 
number of files cluttering things up, but is there some other reason 
not to do this?

Best regards,
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    Engineering Science & Mechanics
    Penn State University
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From wadams at atlis.com  Fri Jun 15 09:10:18 2001
From: wadams at atlis.com (William Adams)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:10:18 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] wish for TeXShop: rulers in preview
References: <a05101004b74efedeed00@[137.78.78.153]>
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Troy Goodson asked:
> I'm looking at a preview of PDF in TeXShop, wondering if the 
> right-hand side of a certain table is within the right-hand margin of 
> the page...  I can understand that it might be difficult for TeXShop 
> to look inside my .tex file and figure out my margins, but if it 
> could just display horizontal and vertical rulers, I'd be pretty 
> happy.

NO!

This is an excellent example of how one should choose to extend the
environment as a whole, instead of making an individual program more
complex than it needs to be.

There were a number of ruler programs for NeXT/OPENstep, and it's to be
hoped that someone will port one or more of these to Mac OS X---once
ported, it would then be available for use in _any_ Mac OS X program.

Then, if Apple would just add a system-level option for inputting the
dpi/size ratio of the current monitor, one could get back to true
WYSIWYG (as opposed to having a list of on-screen percentages and their
real-world equivalents taped to the monitor :(

William


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From tom at kiffe.com  Wed Jun  6 00:16:28 2001
From: tom at kiffe.com (Tom Kiffe)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:16:28 -0500
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Carbon CMacTeX
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Josh,

I am not familiar with prosper but, if it is just a set of macros for
latex, it should work with CMacTeX. Do you know if it uses any perl
scripts or anything else that is strictly unix?

--Tom


>Tom,
>
>Can you tell me if you know whether the ``prosper" macros
>(for making powerpoint-like presentations) work with
>CMacTex, and how hard they are to install in that setting.
>
>I am desperately in search of some way of running prosper on
>the mac.
>
>Josh

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From wadams at atlis.com  Fri Jun 22 08:56:41 2001
From: wadams at atlis.com (William Adams)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:56:41 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] bibliography database management?
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Well, one could see if Hienrich Giesen would be willing to provide the
source code for Bibliography.app from NeXTstep....

http://www.plsys.co.uk/MailingLists/uk-next-announce/msg00408.html

A little more information maybe at:
http://www.mathi.uni-heidelberg.de/~flight/stepTeX/

William

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From Troy.D.Goodson at jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Jun 12 12:26:37 2001
From: Troy.D.Goodson at jpl.nasa.gov (Troy Goodson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:26:37 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Autocompleter
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<x-flowed>>On 6/12/2001 at 7:55 AM -0700, Troy Goodson wrote:
>
>>I'm not associated with Catchy Software, but I think Autocompleter 
>>can be a good TeX tool so it's worth mentioning on this list.  It's 
>>a Service, so it works with Cocoa applications like TeXShop.  As 
>>you might expect from its name, it adds autocompletion to any Cocoa 
>>text editor.
>>
>><http://www.catchysoftware.com>
>
>I've thought about this. I haven't installed it, but it does sound 
>like it could be useful. Have you installed it and have you used it 
>in TeXShop? If so, would it be possible to create a glossary of 
>LaTeX "templates" for using in TeXShop?
>

 From what I see so far, and I just installed it today, you can make 
such templates.  You simply type whatever you want it to call it, 
then press tab and your template appears.

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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Sun Jun  3 21:34:14 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:04:14 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop text ?
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<x-flowed>>Hi Michael,
>
Hi Ross

You were right (as always :-)  )
For some reason my Interarchy was set to binary or it was because I dropped
a folder full of text and pdf's.  If I force Text or Use File Mapping it
transfers fine and TeX's at the other end.  If I use Binary it
transfers with line feeds and doesn't TeX.


Regards -


Michael
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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Wed Jun 27 08:51:00 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:21:00 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeX + GhostScript option not working ??
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<x-flowed>Hi

Do I have to do something to make this option work ? I installed the new
TeXShop over the old, ran the new teTeX installer and then it all
seemed to be fine.  Tonight I tried running TeX + Ghostscript on a
file that runs fine with pdflatex and
the console comes up with nothing in it and nothing (as far as I can
tell!) happens. I had selected this option from the menu.

I think I have the right files installed eg

[localhost:~] mmurray% which gs
/usr/local/bin/gs
[localhost:~] mmurray% which altpdftex
/usr/local/teTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin1.3.7/altpdftex
[localhost:~] mmurray% which epstopdf
/usr/local/bin/epstopdf
[localhost:~] mmurray%



Any thoughts ??

Thanks -  Michael
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From Troy.D.Goodson at jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Jun 15 12:28:29 2001
From: Troy.D.Goodson at jpl.nasa.gov (Troy Goodson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:28:29 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] wish for TeXShop: rulers in preview
In-Reply-To: <3B2A1CA9.6868E012@atlis.com>
References: <a05101004b74efedeed00@[137.78.78.153]>	
 <3B2A093B.2410E19A@atlis.com> <a05101002b74fc9b1777e@[137.78.78.153]>
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<x-flowed>At 10:33 AM -0400 6/15/01, William Adams wrote:
>Troy asked:
>>  Do you recall the names of any of these ruler programs?
>
>SW (Stephen Wacker?) Ruler.app, RightBrain had one too, I think, not
>sure if it's mentioned at www.rightbrain.com or no.
>
>>  a URL or two?
>>  I'd like to see what NeXT has had.
>
>I've got one installed on my Cube... I'll try to do up a page one it
>next (thus far all I've gotten done is TouchType.app....)
>
>http://members.aol.com/willadams/gnustep/apps/type/touchtype.html
>(still need to integrate that link....)
>
>also the font panel:
>http://members.aol.com/willadams/gnustep/type/index.html
>

there's also info on TouchType at
http://www.macobserver.com/columns/whatsnext/articles/091797.shtml


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From norman+lists at astro.gla.ac.uk  Wed Jun  6 11:52:26 2001
From: norman+lists at astro.gla.ac.uk (Norman Gray)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:52:26 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] The texmf tree
Message-ID: <E157g5T-0001yb-00@hermes.astro.gla.ac.uk>




Greetings,

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 mclean at physics.queensu.ca wrote:

> Ross Moore's comments in digest 29 on setting up a local texmf tree
were
> very useful. I set up a local texmf tree in my home directory,
> 
> ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/misc/
> 
> [...]
> 
> ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/bibtex/bst/
> 
> However, BibTeX did not see the bst file. BibTeX works fine if I have
> the apsrev.bst file

In general, kpsewhich is your friend.  Along with the other TeX
binaries, there should be a kpsewhich program[1].  This is invaluable
for working out the effects of the various settings in the texmf.cnf
file, and in general working out TeX's view of the world.  For example:

    kpsewhich bst plain.bst
    kpsewhich cnf texmf.cnf

finds where plain.bst and texmf.cnf are and, if you have more than one
in your path, which one it'll select.

    kpsepath bst
    kpsewhich --show-path=bst

shows the complete path, taking things like the TEXINPUTS environment
variable into account.  And

    kpsewhich --expand-var=\$TEXMF

will show you the value of TEXMF which results from the settings in the
texmf.cnf file.

All the best,

Norman


[1] This is certainly true of the set of TeX binaries I lifted from
    CTAN:systems/unix/teTeX/1.0/distrib/binaries/powerpc-rhapsody.tar.gz
    based on web2c.  I don't know for certain if other Mac TeX builds
    have it (though since it's a component of the kpathsea library which
    parses the texmf.cnf file, if you have texmf.cnf, I'd guess you have
    kpsewhich), but they certainly ought to, since it's so useful.

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From ross at ics.mq.edu.au  Thu Jun 28 07:43:18 2001
From: ross at ics.mq.edu.au (Ross Moore)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:43:18 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] prosper
In-Reply-To: <E15FYMs-0008Im-00@wisbech.cl.cam.ac.uk> from Lawrence C
 Paulson at "Jun 28, 2001 10:45:46 am"
Message-ID: <200106281143.VAA17633@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au>



> 
> There seem to be a lot of bugs in Acrobat 5.  E.g. clicking on a URL launches 
> a browser but doesn't connect to the specified site.

Has anyone else had the experience of it not keeping a browser history ?
The back/forward arrows don't seem to work anymore.


All the best,

	Ross Moore

> -- 
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> Reader in Computational Logic
> Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge
> Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG, England
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From david.firth at nuffield.oxford.ac.uk  Thu Jun 21 06:33:12 2001
From: david.firth at nuffield.oxford.ac.uk (David Firth)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:33:12 +0100
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] opening .tex files under OS X?
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<x-flowed>Is there some simple way to tell OS X to open any double-clicked file 
whose name is something.tex with a specified application (say BBEdit, 
or TeXshop, or whatever)?

I have lots of old files made with Alpha, Textures, ..., and when I 
double-click on one of them I don't really want Classic to start up. 
Now that we seem to be firmly in the world of filenames with a dot in 
them, surely there's some way to exploit what comes after the dot? 
Probably it's obvious, just not to me...

Cheers -- David

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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Mon Jun 11 21:57:33 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:27:33 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: MacOSX-TeX Digest #31 - 06/11/01
In-Reply-To: <p05101002b74b24afb52f@[192.168.0.2]>
References: <20010611211736-b01010702-275df01a-0910-010c@146.115.234.50>
 <p05101001b74b2035a87f@[192.168.0.2]> <p05101027b74b2290481e@[10.0.1.10]>
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<x-flowed>>On 6/12/2001 at 11:10 AM +0930, Michael Murray wrote:
>
>>I would also like a bit more syntax colouring like
>>colouring the $ signs.  But then I am an Alpha exile !
>
>Agreed! Those of you who would like to see this come back to BBEdit 
>should write them and let them know. It used to be there and they 
>said that some people asked them to remove syntax coloring for math 
>mode. I have asked a couple of times to bring it back, but 
>apparently I am not enough. :-)
>
>--


Thats strange. As it could always be a Pref like the others and if you
don't like it you set it to Black !

I'll email them.


Michael
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From ogus at math.berkeley.edu  Mon Jun 25 11:46:07 2001
From: ogus at math.berkeley.edu (Arthur E. Ogus)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 08:46:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop 1.1 is available
In-Reply-To: <p0510100eb75c2eb977de@[192.168.0.2]> (gray@engr.psu.edu)
References: <p0510100eb75c2eb977de@[192.168.0.2]>
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Does the texhsop installer now include xdvi?

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From gray at engr.psu.edu  Tue Jun 12 16:10:05 2001
From: gray at engr.psu.edu (Gary L. Gray)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:10:05 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit & TeX
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<x-flowed>On 6/12/2001 at 3:53 PM -0400, Christian Smith wrote:

>Contact the author of the plug-in and let him know you need a version of
>this that works with OS X. Also, take a look at the Glossary feature and
>see if this will do what you need.

Won't Gianluca Gorni's BBEdit LaTeX Glossary work with the Mac OS X 
version of BBEdit?
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From serafim at nada.kth.se  Tue Jun  5 04:15:53 2001
From: serafim at nada.kth.se (serafim)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 10:15:53 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
References: <20010604003024.KEVI27183.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@localhost>
 <v03020901b7423a1553c5F@[193.50.49.137]>
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laurens wrote:
> 
> the problem of personal tex files location came a few days ago, the
> question was:  where should one install its own packages and other tex
> stuff? At this time the answer was to install all these supplementary files
> at the right location in the texmf tree. It is not satisfying.
> I think that the right answer is partially: inside the /Library folder...
> but where exactly?
> 
> My opinion is that /library and ~/Library should contain the same
> hierarchy. In the first location an administrator will place files
> available to all the users, in the second one, each user will place files
> of its own. I suggest the following hierarchy as a basis for a discussion
> and I am waiting for your suggestions.
> 
> (~)/Library/TeXMF Support/TeX
>                          /TeX/Shell Scripts
>                          /TeX/TeX Input
>                          /TeX/TeX Input/TeX (input .tex files)
>                          /TeX/TeX Input/LaTeX (packages in folders...)
>                          /TeX/TeX Input/?
>                          /TeX/TeX Format (for further use)
>                          /TeX/TeX Fonts (linked to (~)/Library/Fonts ??? :(
>                          /Metafont
>                          /?
> 
> the way those files are accessed is another problem that should be resolved
> by appropriate shell scripts.
> 
>         LAURENS Jerome
> Analyse Appliquee & Optimisation      tel : (+33) (0)3 80 39 58 76
>     9 Avenue Alain Savary             fax : (+33) (0)3 80 39 58 90
>             BP 47870               courriel : laurens at u-bourgogne.fr
>      F-21078 DIJON Cedex
> 

Since Mac OS X is a unix variation it is highly personal how to
configure
personal additions.

In all the different Unix variants that I use (I haven't installed

Mac OS X yet) I have use my own setting.

I have made a number of file catalogues:

~/tex
as a "root" for my local definitions and packages

~/tex/inputs
where I store all .cls, .tex and .sty files

~/tex/formats
where I store all .fmt files

~/tex/fonts
where I store all font files

and, finally,
~/tex/locals
where I store all packages that I don't want to split into
the other directories.

In Solaris and on all Linux distributions I have a set of
inititalizations to make my stuff come first. There must be a
way to get the same effect in Mac OS X.

In solaris they reside in either .bashrc or .aliases or .environment
depending on the actual system. In all the different Linux's they
reside in .bashrc.

------------------------------------ for tcsh --------------
setenv TEXINPUTS .:$HOME/tex/inputs//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
setenv TEXFORMATS .:$HOME/tex/formats//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
setenv TEXFONTS .:/tex/fonts//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
setenv TEXEDIT emacs

------------------------------------ for sh and bash --------------
export TEXINPUTS=.:$HOME/tex/inputs//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
export TEXFORMATS=.:$HOME/tex/formats//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
export TEXFONTS=.:$HOME/tex/fonts//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
export TEXEDIT emacs

The double slash tells tex to search recursively in subdirectories ans
the double colon on the end tells tex to add the standard search paths
at the end.

All the directories are open to anyone and this way I get my stuff
without imposing it on others.

But ...... as I said ... it's personal and in a complex distributed
environment (as Unix) - let's keep personal stuff personal.

/Serafim

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From Larry.Paulson at cl.cam.ac.uk  Wed Jun 27 09:35:00 2001
From: Larry.Paulson at cl.cam.ac.uk (Lawrence C Paulson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:35:00 +0100
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeX + GhostScript option not working ?? 
In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:55:42 +0930.            
 <p05101014b75f8a116b5f@[129.127.44.133]> 
Message-ID: <E15FFTA-0000ij-00@wisbech.cl.cam.ac.uk>



> I discovered I couldn't do any form of latex from the command line -
> always the same error.  Is this a feature or a bug :-)

You have to enable symlinks in the installer, and to do that you first have to 
enable the relevant button using a menu.  Peculiar, and possibly a positive 
attempt to discourage the use of symlinks...
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From wadams at atlis.com  Sat Jun 16 14:42:58 2001
From: wadams at atlis.com (William Adams)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:42:58 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] LyX-fink
References: <3B27925C001783B9@mailrelay2.inwind.it> (added by	
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Alessandro asked:
> On MacCentral I red that using Xtools 1.0 of Tenon Intersystems 
> our macintoshes (with os X) can be connected, as a remote 
> terminal, to a central server (which runs under Unix (or Linux or NT)). 
> The good news is that, with a rootless access, we can work 
> under Aqua ! 

> This means, for example, that I can use the copy 
> of whatever software (e.g. TeX) installed on the Department 's servers 
> directly on my PBook ? This is one of the most important reason why 
> I bought Os X, so I hope that this is right. 

Well, you display/control the software on/from your system, but it's
actually running on the Server---as long as you don't need access to a
font or other file only available on your machine, this likely won't be
an issue.

William

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From zaccone at bucknell.edu  Mon Jun 11 10:19:59 2001
From: zaccone at bucknell.edu (Rick Zaccone)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:19:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Carbonized Excalibur: Status and Call for Help
Message-ID: <200106111419.KAA11131@castor.eg.bucknell.edu>



I have been working on carbonizing (carbonating?) Excalibur for the
past couple of weeks and I've made good progress.  It runs under MacOS
X with just one feature disabled.  In order for Excalibur to
automatically open the clipboard, I will need to change it so that it
supports carbon events.  This will add a couple more weeks (at least)
to my job.  At this point, it seems reasonable that I will have a
carbonized Excalibur ready in about a month.  Please don't hold me to
that though!

There is one other detail which I was hoping that someone could help
me with.  Excalibur needs some new 128x128 icons for MacOS X.  I have
no artistic ability and even if I did, I don't have the necessary
tools.  Is anyone willing to produce nice looking OS X icons for me?
If you are interested or you know a creative student who would like to
do it, please let me know.  Although Excalibur has 5 icons that it can
display, 4 of them are just variants of one another.

Rick Zaccone
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From j-beda at pobox.com  Thu Jun 28 10:29:10 2001
From: j-beda at pobox.com (Johann Beda)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:29:10 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Excalibur 4.0b1
Message-ID: <p0510030db760eef55bb2@[192.168.1.2]>



On 2001/06/27, at 12:25 PM -0400, Rick Zaccone wrote:
>>B) I can't open my .tex files. I suspect it looks at the creator/type,
>>but documents created in OS X don't necessarily have a resource fork.
>
>Excalibur does look at the file type.  It will open any TEXT file.  I
>guess TeXShop files aren't TEXT files.  Shouldn't they be?  Excalibur
>doesn't care if the file has a resource fork and you don't need one to
>have a file type.

	I think that some OS X programs save files with with either the
file type as "????" or as blank.  I would hope that TeXShop would at least
save them as file type TEXT, but I guess it doesn't.

	Perhaps Excalibur should also check for any .tex or .txt extension?
Or be able to drag and drop for any type of file?  Or for "????"/blank file
types?

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From jguyer at his.com  Thu Jun 21 11:12:24 2001
From: jguyer at his.com (Jon Guyer)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:12:24 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] opening .tex files under OS X?
In-Reply-To: <p05101008b757badb9e79@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <a05010404b7577b809c16@[163.1.41.88]>
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<x-flowed>At 12:25 AM +0930 6/22/01, Michael Murray wrote:

>But this is setting it file by file unless I am missing the point. Is there
>a way of telling it anything ending in .tex goes to TeXShop or BBEdit or
>whatever ?  It seems to me that MacOSX does this sometimes with files
>I download but I am not sure how you set it up.

The second radio button is "The generic application for documents of 
this type". The button at the bottom says "Change Application...". 
No, it's not always active, and no it doesn't always work even when 
it is active, but hey, what do you expect from a hacked-together demo?

-- 

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From ross at ics.mq.edu.au  Mon Jun 11 23:54:48 2001
From: ross at ics.mq.edu.au (Ross Moore)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:54:48 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop
In-Reply-To: <200106120351.WAA21829@gamma2.uta.edu> from Zachary Davis at
 "Jun 11, 2001 10:49:56 pm"
Message-ID: <200106120354.NAA11245@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au>




> 
> Upon following your instructions I again get the following error:
> 
> [localhost:~] zdavis% pdflatex Untitled 3.tex
> This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1)
> ! I can't find file `Untitled'.
> <*> Untitled
>               3.tex
> Please type another input file name:


Do *not* use space characters in file-names.
This has nothing to do with the platform that you are using
 --- TeX does not allow it.

Hope this helps,

	Ross Moore


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From jguyer at his.com  Fri Jun  1 15:01:51 2001
From: jguyer at his.com (Jon Guyer)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:01:51 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] CMacTeX 4.0
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<x-flowed>At 9:52 PM -0500 5/31/01, Tom Kiffe wrote:

>(I hope a Carbon version of Alpha appears soon.)

So do we, but we're still working on it.

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From aaronseitz at mac.com  Sun Jun 24 20:42:55 2001
From: aaronseitz at mac.com (aaronseitz at mac.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:42:55 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Using Times New Roman with tetex
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<x-flowed>Could anyone advise me on how to get Times New Roman to work with tetex? 
I know how to use the times style, but this is not sufficient for my 
current needs.

Thanks,

-Aaron Seitz

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From J.Huelsmann at tu-bs.de  Wed Jun 13 05:51:46 2001
From: J.Huelsmann at tu-bs.de (J.Huelsmann)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:51:46 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Editor choices
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From jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr  Tue Jun  5 10:33:41 2001
From: jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr (laurens)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:33:41 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
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>	I must echo Ross Moore's recommendation.  By all means create
>your own archive of tex inputs (or packages from CTAN not included in
>the standard teTeX distribution), but put them in the TDS format.
>
>In addition to Ross's reasons I offer the following:
>
>1) It works and it will ultimately translate into less work for you.
>
>2) By creating your own ~/texmf or ~/lib/texmf you can have one texmf
>tree (teTeX) that remains untouched for ease of upgrading and
>CMacTeX, teTeX, and TeXShop all work without any extra work!  (OzTeX
>is easily pointed to this location through its local configuration
>file as well.)
>
>CMacTeX expects a local texmf tree; one creates an alias to it in the
>application folder.
>
>TeXShop CANNOT read the TEXINPUTS environment variables suggested by
>Serafim so this solution is not helpful to TeXShop users.

Well you are almost right. Texshop is not actually designed to read the
TEXINPUTS envir variable declared in a .cshrc but it should read it if it
is declared inside a script (see altpdflatex...)

More generally everyone of you thinks in terms of long term UNIX user which
does not suit any (?) mac user. So I have to restate my problem

For newbies and average mac users, I have to put a quite TDS structure for
local and user texmf related files. I do not want to use the "local"
feature of TDS and leave my TeX distribution unchanged (as suggested above,
I want a drag and drop update: I put the old distribution to the trash and
I place the new one instead, well almost...) So the local and user
specifics will be on a more macish "(~)/Library/TeXMF\ Support" entry. But
we cannot expect the average mac user to read all the TDS doc to create
with the CLI the right folders inside.

So what are the useful subdirectories to place under the TDS root? I am
afraid  everything will frighten macintosh users...

Moreover we have to deal with the problem of fonts. TeX should be able to
use macintosh fonts stored in /Library/Fonts (TTF...). Should, not must...



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From fwallenberg at mac.com  Wed Jun 27 11:42:02 2001
From: fwallenberg at mac.com (Fredrik Wallenberg)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 08:42:02 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Excalibur 4.0b1
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<x-flowed>
On Wednesday, June 27, 2001, at 07:42 , Rick Zaccone wrote:

> Please let me know if you find any bugs.  You are welcome to send
> feature requests too, but I'm not likely to implement any of them
> soon.  I just spent more than a month working on this and I need to
> move on to other things.


A) It does not know of the following TexShop standard (tries to check 
pdf and jpg):
\DeclareGraphicsExtensions{.pdf, .jpg}

B) I can't open my .tex files. I suspect it looks at the creator/type, 
but documents created in OS X don't necessarily have a resource fork.

C) Maybe it is a case of RTFM, but I couldn't use the "add" button as I 
went through and checked my document.

I'll let you know if I find anything else. Thanks for a great 
application!

Fredrik

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From zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu  Sun Jun 17 02:27:01 2001
From: zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu (Zachary Davis)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:27:01 -0500
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Macro Question
In-Reply-To: <200106170231.MAA22477@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au>
Message-ID: <200106170628.BAA19824@gamma2.uta.edu>



<x-flowed windows-1252>The macro that I've defined here does not reside within an environment, 
but is rather a stand-alone macro:

\def\linespacing\#1{\baselineskip=#1\normalbaselineskip}

To my knowledge, Plain TeX should accept one argument--an integer, set 
the \baselineskip, which is a TeX primitive to this integer multiplied 
by the \normalbaselineskip--a Plain TeX reporter which has the job of 
remembering the normal size of a \baselineskip.  When TeX starts up, the 
\normalbaselineskip is 12pt.  Therefore, by introducing this macro, I 
should be able to double space my TeX documents by issuing the command 
\linespacing{2}.  For some reason, I get an error when doing this, and 
I'm sort of confused as to why this is happening.  I guess I could just 
add another # into the definition, but I'm still curious as to why this 
is needed.

Also, I have a list of macros that I would like to include at the 
beginning of my TeX documents by issuing the command \input macros.  
Under Texshop, where does this file need to reside for TeX to be able to 
find the file?

Thanks,

On Saturday, June 16, 2001, at 09:31  PM, Ross Moore wrote:

>
>> Can anyone explain to me what is wrong with the following macro?  I 
>> keep
>> getting an error in the TeX log saying that it will assume that I
>> meant ##:
>>
>> \def\linespacint#1{\baselineskip=#1\normalbaselineskip}
>
> Is this definition within the macro-expansion part of another
> definition; e.g.
>
>  \newenvironment{myenv}
>   {.... \def\linespacint#1{\baselineskip=#1\normalbaselineskip}...}
>   {.....}
>
> If so then the message is correct.
>   #1, #2, .... refer to parameters of the  \myenv
>   defined by the \newenvironment declaration.
>
> To set parameters to  \linespacint and refer to them,
> you need to say:
>   \def\linespacint##1{\baselineskip=##1\normalbaselineskip}
>
> Similarly, if your internally defined macro itself defines
> further macros, then each # needs further doubling:
>
>  \newenvironment{myenv}
>   {.... \def\linespacint#1{%
>     \def\next####1{\typeout{####1}...}.....}%
>    ...}
>   {...}
>
>
> The same considerations apply for any definition macro:
>   \def \edef \gdef \xdef
>   \newcommand  \providecommand  \nextheorem \DeclareRobustCommand
>   \renewcommand  \renewenvironment  etc.
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> 	Ross Moore
>
>
>
>
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From starr at unm.edu  Mon Jun 11 20:15:15 2001
From: starr at unm.edu (Gregory P. Starr)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:15:15 -0600
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Converting JPEGs to PDFs?
Message-ID: <200106120014.SAA20046@newone.spinn.net>



<x-flowed>Images from my digital camera are JPEGs, what do you find is the best 
way to convert to PDFs for inclusion in (La)TeX documents (I have the 
TeXShop installation).  Thanks for any help.  The few obvious ways I 
have tried are unsatisfactory.

	--greg

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From hodas at cs.hmc.edu  Thu Jun 28 12:18:12 2001
From: hodas at cs.hmc.edu (Joshua S. Hodas)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:18:12 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop 1.1 & Prosper = Success ( = 
 Prosperity???) OFF-TOPIC
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<x-flowed>At 10:54 PM +0930 6/28/01, Michael Murray wrote:
>Sorry this is off-topic.
>
>I tried out Prosper tonight for the first time. I don't like any of the
>provided styles. Can you just turn off the style? I hacked the
>aqua one to get rid of the gradient on the left but I don't really
>know what I am doing.  I would rather have more control over
>headings and background color in the document than be stuck
>with a generic style.

The documentation on developing formats is pretty limited.
But if you spend some time looking at the various provided
styles, you can figure out the basics pretty quickly, I think.

I hope to spend some more time researching and hacking styles
later this summer. Then I will try to write up a tutorial guide.

Josh
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From cswinehart at mac.com  Thu Jun 21 20:48:16 2001
From: cswinehart at mac.com (Christian Swinehart)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:48:16 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] opening .tex files under OS X?
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Message-ID: <200106220048.RAA04072@smtpout.mac.com>



<x-flowed>On Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 11:50 AM, Bruno Voisin wrote:
> There used to be Classic utilities allowing to change the type/ creator 
> fields of groups of files and folders, sometimes it was even possible 
> to apply the change only to a selection of files within these groups, 
> based on search criteria.

There are two command line tools for reading and setting Creator/Type 
codes that are included with the developer tools: GetFileInfo and 
SetFile.

For example if you wanted to set the file dissertation.tex to open with 
BBEdit, type:
      /Developer/Tools/SetFile -c "R*ch" -t "TEXT" dissertation.tex
where the "-c" and "-t" are the switches for creator and type 
respectively.

I forget whether you "clear" the fields by setting them to "????" or "". 
In any case, you can at least batch apply the changes to whichever files 
you want to change (e.g., *.tex).

Christian


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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Tue Jun 12 00:15:58 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:45:58 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop
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<x-flowed>>Monday, 11 June 2001
>
>
>Ahh yes...that is my problem--sorry for bothering you all--serious 
>case of TeX newbie disorder...he he he.  Now, does the teTex 
>distribution contain all the fonts one would possibly use, or do I 
>need to worry about installing others?  Additionally, is BBedit 
>something to look into, or do most TexShop users find the included 
>editor adequate?
>
>Thanks,


TeTeX has all the standard tex fonts.  As for the TeXShop editor I think
its fine but editors are a pretty personal thing.

Michael


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From stokhof at hum.uva.nl  Fri Jun  1 17:18:52 2001
From: stokhof at hum.uva.nl (Martin Stokhof)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 23:18:52 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an
 editorial
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<x-flowed>I think my feelings on this issue are more or less in agreement with the 
majority of the opinions I've read so far.  But since Gary Gray asked 
people to respond I'll state them anyway.
I've been using Textures since I don't know how long (before postscript 
CM fonts anyway). But I want to (and soon will need to) make the switch 
to OS X. So I've downloaded TeXShop and CMacTeX and starting using them.
I really appreciate the efforts that Richard Koch and Tom Kiffe and 
others have put into these applications, and I am grateful to them for 
making the results freely available. But I must admit that I miss the 
compactness and robustness of Textures. And I especially miss 
synchronicity.  I for one would be willing to pay for a carbonized 
version ofTextures, but not if synchronicity were dropped.
But such a carbonized version of Textures should not take too long to 
become available. Running Textures in Classic is akward  and given my 
set up is not really an option anyway. So I guess it might not take that 
long before I learn to accept life (well, work ;-) without synchronicity 
and make the switch to TeXShop and/or CMacTeX.

Martin Stokhof

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From charles.bouldin at nist.gov  Mon Jun 25 20:27:59 2001
From: charles.bouldin at nist.gov (Charles Bouldin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:27:59 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop 1.1
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<x-flowed>Let me be the first(?) to give kudos for TeXShop 1.1. The addition of 
typsetting to a dvi file and the INCLUSION OF EPS GRAPHICS FILES is 
fantastic. The new installer works very well, although I had some 
initial troubles installing 1.1, I think because I had done something 
wrong with the previous terminal-based installation. I finally just 
deleted everything I could find that had anything to do with teTeX; 
after that I reinstalled and it all worked fine.

The best changes from my few minutes of use: (1) espfig works! The 
preview is gorgeous, much better than the .pict preview that I was 
used to with Textures. Since the preview is a ps2pdf translation, the 
figures scale with the preview size just as well as the text. If you 
use color, it's there. The eps graphics just work great. (2) there is 
a new "clicker" for changing the size of the typeset window preview 
in 10% increments. Much faster than typing in a value.

A few suggestions for the 1.2 version: (1) Add buttons in the preview 
window for "first" and "last" in addition to the existing 
previous/next buttons. (2) Holding down a modifier key (shift?) 
should change the preview magnification in steps of (say) 50% instead 
of the 10% steps. This would give a fast zoom capability, in addition 
to the finer zoom we have now. (3) This one is more complex. The 
previous/next buttons just move you back/forth between the SAME 
POSITION on two consecutive pages. This is almost never what you want 
when you are reading a document. The "next" button should take you to 
the TOP of the next page, while the "previous" button should take you 
back to the bottom of the previous page. In short, the buttons should 
move you around in the same way you READ a document. (Old timers will 
recall that this was quite controversial in the Textures preview 
window, and ultimately resolved by making the preview window into a 
single large linked scrolling page of typeset pages. That's the best 
way to do it, I think, but probably more work.)

Anyway, TeXShop just took a big leap, IMHO, and is looking better all the time.

Chuck Bouldin

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From franconi at cs.man.ac.uk  Fri Jun 15 03:51:22 2001
From: franconi at cs.man.ac.uk (Enrico Franconi)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:51:22 +0100
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] LyX-Fink
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References:  <200106140845.f5E8jNi21573@balsamon.math.unipd.it>	<3B28B645.1E698704@atlis.com>	<a05101005b74f0007329c@[137.78.78.153]>
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> But you need X-windows for LyX (right?)

Easy:

fink install xfree86
fink install lyx

(remember to have the latest fink installed, according to the
instructions at <http://fink.sourceforge.net/fink/cvs.php>)

But if you want rootless X-windows (which is more effective on the
mixed Aqua/X environment), then the procedure is more complex, since
the Xfree86 rootless mode is still in beta development. I did
successfully follow the instructions at
<http://www.macgimp.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=19> (without
installing gimp, of course).

cheers
-- e.

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From hodas at cs.hmc.edu  Tue Jun  5 18:52:36 2001
From: hodas at cs.hmc.edu (Joshua S. Hodas)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:52:36 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Carbon CMacTeX
Message-ID: <v04210108b74312c24877@[134.173.42.48]>



<x-flowed>Arrrrgggghh!   That note was obviously intended for Tom Kiffe,
not the whole list.

Sorry.

Josh

PS: On the other hand, if anyone else knows the answer to this question
(whether prosper works with CMacTeX, or any other mac latex), feel free to
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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Wed Jun 27 21:00:44 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:30:44 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Excalibur 4.0b1
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<x-flowed>Excellent !   I am running MacOS X.  Excalibur beta works fine with
the latest Eudora beta as a Word service. It is also working fine with
latex files which I open and save with BBEdit.  I second the remarks 
that it won't open TeXShop files.  I will leave this to Dick and Rick 
to sort out
between them ;-)


Michael


PS. Off topic - Now if Palm and Chronos get their acts together I will
be Classic free for all but the dreaded Microsoft !
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From zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu  Sun Jun 17 12:13:39 2001
From: zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu (Zachary Davis)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:13:39 -0500
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Macro Question
In-Reply-To: <200106170718.RAA26605@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au>
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<x-flowed windows-1252>Thanks,

You're right, the macro should read:

\def\linespacing#1{\baselineskip=#1\normalbaselineskip}

On Sunday, June 17, 2001, at 02:18  AM, Ross Moore wrote:

>
> The macro that I've defined here does not reside within an environment,
> but is rather a stand-alone macro:
>
> \def\linespacing\#1{\baselineskip=#1\normalbaselineskip}
>                 ^
> what is this \ for ?
> # by itself is a macro-parameter, \# is not.
>
>
> Hope this helps ?
>
> 	Ross Moore
>
>
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From gray at engr.psu.edu  Mon Jun 11 21:31:23 2001
From: gray at engr.psu.edu (Gary L. Gray)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:31:23 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: MacOSX-TeX Digest #31 - 06/11/01
In-Reply-To: <20010611211736-b01010702-275df01a-0910-010c@146.115.234.50>
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<x-flowed>On 6/11/2001 at 9:17 PM -0400, Christian Smith wrote:

>No, nor will it ever likely support syntax coloring. This is a feature
>reserved for the full version of BBEdit.

I am glad that it is only in the full version -- I like getting 
features for my money. :-)

I am very happy to see that someone from Bare Bones is reading this 
list and I would like to see you comment on this idea of collapsible 
outlines or sections in BBEdit. If I understand this correctly, it 
would work much like sections work in Mathematica in which you can 
collapse a section or subsection into just its heading by 
double-clicking a appropriate cell bracket. Is this correct? If so, I 
would love to see this in BBEdit (I would also love to see it work 
with TeXShop, but that is another story).

Best regards,
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From warren at dirac.phys.washington.edu  Fri Jun  1 01:18:56 2001
From: warren at dirac.phys.washington.edu (Warren Nagourney)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:18:56 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
In-Reply-To: <p05100e0fb73cbc60e5df@[192.168.0.2]>
References: <B73C8072.13EA3%morse@cs.byu.edu>
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<x-flowed>I would like to echo Gary's sentiments - I wholeheartedly agree with him 
and am very very disappointed in Barry's decision regarding the future 
direction of Blue Sky. I have purchased every version of TeXtures since it 
first came out and must have invested several thousand dollars in this 
product. I am stunned by the egregious lack of reciprocal loyalty shown by 
this company. I read one of the early letters by (I believe) Barry on the 
subject, where he states that TeXtures runs perfectly well in Classic and 
gives the impression that this is its future, so far as Blue Sky is 
concerned. He further mentioned Apple's change of position regarding the 
use of display postscript and Yellow Box for windows, indicating that this 
"disloyalty" on Apple's part justifies the dismissal of OS X as a future 
for TeXtures. I needn't state my reaction to this position - from what I 
have written above, it should be obvious.

I agree that Blue Sky's venture into the windows market will be almost 
certainly a complete disaster - I happen to know that Barry is getting a 
lot of correspondence on this subject and won't beat a dead horse. I mourn 
the loss of a great product and am glad this list exists to explore other 
avenues for Mac TeX users.

I fear that we are wasting our time in attempting to exhort Blue Sky to 
change its direction - the Carbon strategy has been out for more than 2 
years and a company which has just begun to explore OS X avenues (and is 
trying to enter the wintel market) has extremely little likelihood of 
listening to us. Our best efforts should be probably be spent on improving 
the alternatives (as we are doing).

Warren Nagourney

--On Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:54 PM -0400 "Gary L. Gray" 
<gray at engr.psu.edu> wrote:

> On 5/31/2001 at 11:14 PM -0400, Bryan S. Morse wrote:
>
>> And while we're at it: running under Classic doesn't cut it--a Carbonized
>> version of Textures is needed!  I hate having to restart Textures because
>> another Classic app crashes.
>
> I apologize for posting to both lists since I know that many of you
> are on both, but I thought I should send this to everyone.
>
> Here is my two cents and then some ...
>
> I completely agree that a Carbonized version of Textures is needed.
> Blue Sky (i.e., Barry Smith) has stated:
>
> At 3:19 PM -0700 4/1/2001, Barry Smith wrote:
>
>> Yes, we do
>> have plans to make Textures a native OS X application.  It will
>> not, however, be something that will happen quickly, and we
>> do not, as a rule, publicize schedule information about our product
>> plans.  We are very pleased to find that Textures as it is apparently
>> runs perfectly under the OS X Classic environment; Apple has
>> corrected the system problem which caused printing difficulties,
>> and we know of no problems with Textures and OS X at this time.
>>
>> Our plans for Textures and OS X are, as our users might expect,
>> to do more than to just "Carbonize" the existing Textures application,
>> more than to just "make it native" with no fundamental or feature
>> changes.  We have the opportunity, and we plan to invest the effort,
>> to completely re-implement Textures: to take what we have learned
>> in the (yes) fifteen years of Textures' existence to simplify and enhance
>> the user interface and the underlying organization and structures that
>> make Textures what it is.  Textures for OS X will share little, if any,
>> code from the current Textures, but will contain most of its concepts
>> and all of our learning about TeX and its users.
>>
>> Recently we circulated a request for information from our users as
>> to your expectations and desires for your moving to OS X, and we
>> were extremely pleased with the response, which was voluminous
>> and (nearly) unequivocal: Textures users are at the forefront and will
>> be choosing to move to OS X, with deliberate speed and high expectations.
>>
>> We wish that we could say that Textures for OS X will be out "real
>> soon now", but we, and you, know that that could not be the case,
>> when you understand the scope of our plans for the native environment.
>> We are naturally pleased and (of course :) not surprised that the current
>> Textures runs well under the Classic environment, and we are surely
>> confident that Textures will rarely (if ever) be the cause of Classic
>> crashes. As the OS X platform makes it practical and desirable to
>> support PDF as an illustration format, we will if it is feasible issue
>> an interim Classic Textures which offers support for PDF illustrations.
>
> I read this as "don't hold your breath waiting for a Mac OS X version
> of Textures". I am, as many others seem to be, very disappointed that
> we are all going to have to find other solutions. Tom Kiffe and
> Richard Koch et al. have come through with OS X solutions and it
> appears that people are going to switch and never look back. I am not
> interested in having to run something in Classic when a Mac OS X
> version is available. I, and my students, have been using both
> CMacTeX and TeXShop as we try and decide which will be our choice for
> Mac OS X. At last week's WWDC, Jobs said that surveys have
> overwhelmingly shown that people are more interested in native
> solutions than they are in brand loyalty --- it seems to me that Blue
> Sky should be very worried in light of this information. I have been
> told that Blue Sky is developing a Windows version of Textures. If
> this is true, then I think Blue Sky is making a terrible mistake.
> They are arriving pretty late to the Windows game and will have
> difficulty penetrating that market. This is on top of the fact that
> their loyal Mac customers are going to find other solutions rather
> than waiting to switch to Mac OS X. I know Blue Sky is a small
> company with limited resources, but it seems to me (and I am sure
> many of you will tell me if you think I am wrong) that they should be
> concentrating their efforts on their CURRENT loyal customer base
> rather than a NONEXISTENT FUTURE customer base that may never
> materialize.
>
> I would love to hear what other people think (please mail to the list
> rather than to just me so that we can have a discussion on this
> matter). Maybe if there is a large enough cry, we can have three
> choices instead of two. :-)
>
> Best regards,
> --
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From zaccone at bucknell.edu  Thu Jun 28 15:51:36 2001
From: zaccone at bucknell.edu (Rick Zaccone)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:51:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Excalibur 4.0b1
In-Reply-To: <p05101000b76104910890@[134.169.241.217]>
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References: <200106271442.KAA25768@castor.eg.bucknell.edu>
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>Here is a suggestion:
>It would be great if I could reach Excalibur from any cocoa
>application via the services-menu, or via the edit menu of the
>specific application.
>(... but is this possible for a not cocoa app?)

Excalibur understands the Word Services protocol.  This is a standard
protocol for an application to communicate with a spelling checker.
Eudora and MT Newswatcher understand it.  Since this is implemented
via Apple Events, it seems that it should be possible in a Cocoa
application.  I've never written a Cocoa application though, so I
can't say for sure.

If TeXShop understood Word Services, then the file type of TeXShop
files wouldn't matter.

AppleWorks supported Word Services until version 6 arrived.  This
meant that you could use Excalibur to spell check AppleWorks
documents and it worked without a hitch.  For some reason, Apple
removed Word Services from version 6.  Maybe they're trying to move
away from it?

Rick

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From zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu  Fri Jun 22 02:07:57 2001
From: zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu (Zachary Davis)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 01:07:57 -0500
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Updated pdftex for CMacTeX
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<x-flowed windows-1252>Friday, 22 June 2001


I downloaded and installed CMacTeX 4.0 as per the instructions on the 
CMacTeX Home Page.  The installation created a more user-friendly 
CMacTeX_OS X application folder with binaries.  Initially, I had 
installed CMacTeX via the terminal when I downloaded Texshop, and I am 
wondering if that initial installation can now be deleted, and if so how 
do I go about doing just that?

Thanks,

On Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 08:39  PM, Tom Kiffe wrote:

> The pdftex program distributed with CMacTeX has been updated to include 
> the
> latest source patches. These patches fix the problems which occurred
> when documents created by pdftex were printed from Acrobat Reader 5.0.
>
> The patched pdftex is only available in the file cmactex_osx.sit.bin 
> which
> can be downloaded from the OS X section of the CMacTeX Home Page at
> http://www.kiffe.com/cmactex.html. The CMacTeX User Guide has been 
> recreated
> with the patched pdftex and should print from Reader 5.0.
>
> Tom Kiffe
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From tom at kiffe.com  Fri Jun  1 23:59:40 2001
From: tom at kiffe.com (Tom Kiffe)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:59:40 -0500
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] CMacTeX 4.0
In-Reply-To: <a05100e00b73db847f864@[131.215.23.80]>
References: <200105141807.TAA23366@legik260.hmg.inpg.fr>
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>
>I downloaded all the CMacTeX package and installed it according to instructions (I already had teTeX and TeXShop installed). It seems to be working fine, with one exception: Macdvi does not render some fonts correctly in the previewer window. I imagine that this is because it is not finding the fonts where it's expecting them.
>Any suggestion as to how to fix this? (Notice that I have also Textures installed, and its previewer has no problems.)

On OS X you can't preview dvi files with Macintosh Postscript fonts since
there is no ATM for OS X. For correct viewing you must use pk (bitmap) fonts.
Make sure the the "Make pk fonts" item under macdvi's Options menu is turned on.
Macdvi should call maketexpk to generate missing pk fonts, provided you have the
metafont sources for the fonts you need. Without knowing exactly which fonts
are not displaying correctly I can't be more explicit.

>
>Also a more trivial question: Why not use OS X's Preview as a pdf previewer with CMacTeX? I tried setting it as the pdf previewer of choice, but when I used CMacTeX to do pdflatex, it opened a dialogue asking to choose an application to do preview with.

I had to add special code to CMacTeX to make it work with Apple's Preview. This
code was added to the routine which is called when you select "View pdf" from
CMacTeX's File Menu. I forgot to add the code to the routine which is called if
you had turned on "Auto switch to previewer" in the Options Menu. I have fixed
this problem and you can download the patched CMacTeX program at
http://www.kiffe.com/tex/programs/cmactex401.sit.bin (170K). Let me know if
this patch doesn't solve the problem.

You must first use the "Set apps" item under the Options Menu to set Preview
as the pdf viewer. Be sure to click the "OK" button when you are finished. If
foo.pdf is displayed in either Reader 5.0 or Preview you must close the window
displaying foo.pdf before you try to run pdftex on foo.tex. I would like to
have CMacTeX tell the pdf viewer to close foo.pdf before it runs pdftex on foo.tex
but neither Preview nor Acrobat Reader accept an apple event for closing a file.
The full Acrobat 4 did accept such an event; I haven't tested Acrobat 5 yet.

Tom Kiffe

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From hodas at cs.hmc.edu  Tue Jun 26 14:27:06 2001
From: hodas at cs.hmc.edu (Joshua S. Hodas)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:27:06 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Phantom Prosperity
Message-ID: <p04330102b75e80e0d9fa@[134.173.42.48]>



<x-flowed>That's what I get for going out of town, and for reading my mail 
sorted most recent first.

It looks to me like the new release of TeXShop, allowing the more traditional
path instead of pdflatex would probably do what we need. If so, bravo.

I have not tested it yet though.

Josh




>>I would like to use the PROSPER class for making very nice looking 
>>powerpoint-like presentations not only without the help or nice mr. 
>>Gates but also including math.
>>Has anyone been able to run it under OS X (in my case: preferably 
>>TeXShop+teTeX). By the way, it's never ran properly under OS 9 
>>(Alpha+Oztex) either, on my Mac.  'Must be a bounding box thing', 
>>ok, but how to solve it?
>
>
>I have successfully used Prosper to prepare a talk last week using CMacTex.
>This is, as far as I know, the only option, as it requires pstricks which
>does not work with  TeXShop (or any pdflatex based system).
>
>Note that what I did was use the CMacTeX installation that builds 
>off the texmf installation
>from TeXshop. This has all the stuff you need other than prosper itself.
>
>In contrast, when I tried a straight CMacTeX installation under 9.1 
>with its own
>texmf there were a variety of packages missing.
>
>I do wish there were a way to make this work under TeXshop, as it is 
>a much friendlier
>setup, but I guess the architectural problems are too deep.  It 
>would be  nice if
>CMacTex could provide a single command to tex-dvips-ps2pdf-display.
>
>Note also that I had to reboot in 9.1 to actually give my show. 
>Acrobat 5.0 (the carbon
>version) flashes white between slide changes when in full-screen 
>mode. (Version 4.0
>just displayed only white in full-screen mode, so this is an improvement.)
>
>Also, I am a bit confused in that there seem to be font problems 
>(partially blank pages)
>viewing the created pdfs in apples previewer. This is odd because 
>the sample pdfs that
>come with prosper all display fine.
>
>Josh
>
>
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From Troy.D.Goodson at jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Jun 15 10:26:21 2001
From: Troy.D.Goodson at jpl.nasa.gov (Troy Goodson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:26:21 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] wish for TeXShop: rulers in preview
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<x-flowed>At 9:10 AM -0400 6/15/01, William Adams wrote:
>Troy Goodson asked:
>>  I'm looking at a preview of PDF in TeXShop, wondering if the
>  > right-hand side of a certain table is within the right-hand margin of
>>  the page...  I can understand that it might be difficult for TeXShop
>>  to look inside my .tex file and figure out my margins, but if it
>>  could just display horizontal and vertical rulers, I'd be pretty
>>  happy.
>
>NO!
>
>This is an excellent example of how one should choose to extend the
>environment as a whole, instead of making an individual program more
>complex than it needs to be.
>
>There were a number of ruler programs for NeXT/OPENstep, and it's to be
>hoped that someone will port one or more of these to Mac OS X---once
>ported, it would then be available for use in _any_ Mac OS X program.

thanks for setting me straight, William.  Not coming from NeXT, the 
solution I usually see first is to add to an individual application. 
It never even occurred to me that this could be solved with a ruler 
service.

Do you recall the names of any of these ruler programs? a URL or two? 
I'd like to see what NeXT has had.

Troy.

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From mclean at physics.queensu.ca  Wed Jun  6 11:03:48 2001
From: mclean at physics.queensu.ca (mclean at physics.queensu.ca)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:03:48 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] The texmf tree
Message-ID: <20010606151203.YQNH216.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@localhost>



<x-flowed>Ross Moore's comments in digest 29 on setting up a local texmf tree were
very useful. I set up a local texmf tree in my home directory,

~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/misc/

added my REVTeX style files and made the mods to the texmf.cnf files as
Richard describes in his help file. I got the fonts working for the 
first time
with the REVTeX package. Great!  Now, I tried to do the same thing
with the BibTeX files. I put the apsrev.bst file in

~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/bibtex/bst/

However, BibTeX did not see the bst file. BibTeX works fine if I have 
the apsrev.bst file
in the working directory. Do I also have to tell BibTeX to search the 
local texmf tree
or do I have the tree structure wrong ?

It would be great to have more info on the tree structure. The files I 
am working with are:

	revtex4.cls  	The REVTeX 4 class file
	aps.rtx       	APS specific REVTeX 4 customizations for Phys. Rev.
	rmp.rtx       	APS specific REVTeX 4 customizations for Rev. Mod. Phys.
	10pt.rtx      	10 point size class option file for REVTeX.
	11pt.rtx      	11 point size class option file for REVTeX.
	12pt.rtx      	12 point size class option file for REVTeX.
	apsrev.bst    	A new custom-bib based BibTeX style file for use 
with REVTeX 4 for Phys. Rev. style citations.
	apsrmp.bst    	For Rev. Mod. Physics (author/year) style citations
	revsymb.sty   	A collection of common symbols for use outside 
of REVTeX.

Where should they go ? Very useful discussion !

Alastair McLean
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From Larry.Paulson at cl.cam.ac.uk  Thu Jun 28 05:45:46 2001
From: Larry.Paulson at cl.cam.ac.uk (Lawrence C Paulson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:45:46 +0100
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] prosper
Message-ID: <E15FYMs-0008Im-00@wisbech.cl.cam.ac.uk>



It does seem nice.  But Acrobat Reader 5 does an awful job on the demo 
presentation that's distributed with Prosper.  Instead of the intended screen 
transitions (which work on other versions of Acrobat) it pauses for a second 
and the screen goes completely white.  It is very painful to watch.

There seem to be a lot of bugs in Acrobat 5.  E.g. clicking on a URL launches 
a browser but doesn't connect to the specified site.
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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Wed Jun 20 20:25:23 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:55:23 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop takes out CMacTeX icons
Message-ID: <p05101003b756ee7b84d7@[129.127.44.132]>



<x-flowed>Twice now I have had a nasty crash printing from TeXShop. Could, of course,
be something else on my machine. Its a G4, 400, 256 meg of RAM>. By nasty
I mean it goes into a blue screen and restarts a bit like a logout, not
a reboot. Second time it wouldn't come up so I had to reboot. When I
did I found all the CMacTeX icons had reset to the generic icons.

Two questions:

(1) Has anyone else has a printing related TeXShop crash ?

(2) How do I get the icons back ? In 9 I would rebuild the desktop
but with X I'm a complete newbie. I tried running Disk First Aid but
it found nothing.  Of course I can replace the CMacTeX apps
>from the net.  I also tried a reboot after the reboot after the
crash - no good.


OK 150 calculus scripts await my red pen ....


Thanks

Michael
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From tom at kiffe.com  Mon Jun 11 21:52:15 2001
From: tom at kiffe.com (Tom Kiffe)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:52:15 -0500
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit Lite 6.1 and CMacTeX
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Since BareBones Software has released BBEdit Lite 6.1 for OS X I have revised
CMacTeX so that it works correctly with it. The BBEdit scripts released with
CMacTeX only work with the full version of BBEdit since BBEdit Lite does not
have much scripting support. The scripts have been replaced with plug-ins
which work with either version of BBEdit. I have also reorganized the various
.map files used by dvips and pdftex and have expanded the section of the 
User's Guide dealing with installation and initial configuration.

The OS X version of CMacTeX can be downloaded from the OS X section of the
CMacTeX Home Page at http://www.kiffe.com/cmactex.html.

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From G.A.Niblo at maths.soton.ac.uk  Fri Jun  1 04:19:42 2001
From: G.A.Niblo at maths.soton.ac.uk (Graham A. Niblo)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:19:42 +0100
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] wish list
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Message-ID: <200106010824.JAA16842@midwife.maths.soton.ac.uk>



<x-flowed>Could I add a wish for a preference setting in TeXShop that allows TeX 
documents to be saved as bundles with the pdf and log files included in 
the bundle, much as TeXtures  includes the dvi file in the resource 
fork? That together with a save as command to allow the files to be 
saved separately would allow for cross platform compatibility, but keep 
all the associated files together. The proliferation of files in my 
documents folder is getting out of hand. Some kind of built in 
versioning control would be good too, maybe the save dialogue could 
prompt to update the to include new versions without deleting the old if 
required?

Great program, great mailing list.

Graham Niblo.

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From speirsfr at dcs.gla.ac.uk  Fri Jun 22 03:54:37 2001
From: speirsfr at dcs.gla.ac.uk (Fraser Speirs)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:54:37 +0100
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] bibliography database management?
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Message-ID: <20010622085437-r01010600-8340bb20@130.209.240.59>



On 6/21/01 at 6:47 PM, Fredrik Wallenberg <fwallenberg at mac.com> wrote:

> On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 08:55 , Gary L. Gray wrote:
> 
> > (2) If EndNote doesn't appear for Mac OS X, does anyone have any 
> > suggestions on what to use for bibliography management under OS X?
> 
> Well, no... I emailed David Eppstein (BibGene) yesterday to ask about OS 
> X. His response was "I don't have any immediate plans to port to OS X 
> but I'm guessing I'll have to do it eventually."
> 
> However, I've just been testing BibGene and EndNote and found that, 
> since all I'm interested in is BibTex (rather than integration with Word 
> etc.), EndNote may be an overkill pricewise. BibGene seems to be doing a 
> pretty good job although the interface isn't all that polished and it 
> wont connect to online databases the way EndNote does.

I've been working in my minimal spare time on a Cocoa app for managing
bibliography files.  I don't imagine app integration on the scale of endnote,
but Services might be a useful way to get things moving around.

The main thing I'm hung up on is reliably parsing the BiBTeX file format.  If
anyone has any references, documentation or example code that might help, then
I'd appreciate if you would pass them on.

Thanks,
Fraser
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From wadams at atlis.com  Tue Jun 12 09:08:55 2001
From: wadams at atlis.com (William Adams)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:08:55 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Carbonized Excalibur: Status and Call for Help
References: <20010612100310.57CBF510A@sunsystem4.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>
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Martin Bauer said:
> could we beta-test the icon as well? ;-)

Sorry, had forgotten my wife had a staff meeting last night, so didn't
get to stay at work late to work on it.

Did get some sketches done with my kids last night though, so should
have something this evening (starting with a re-creation of the current
icon, then doing something from scratch more in the Aqua style)

William

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From keyes at chem.bu.edu  Sun Jun  3 11:52:03 2001
From: keyes at chem.bu.edu (Tom Keyes)
Date: 3 Jun 2001 11:52:03 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop text ?
Message-ID: <B73FD56A-6F0A1@168.122.15.51>



<x-charset ISO-8859-1>On Sun, Jun 3, 2001 7:30 AM, Michael Murray
<mailto:mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au> wrote:
>I ftped a lot of TeXShop files to my web server - I think they went as
binary
>I used Interarchy. Then I tested one on the UNIX machine the students
>use - none of them will run as the spurious characters are
>still there.
>
>The only solution I could find was to cut  from the TeXShop file
>paste into BBEdit and then save that.  Then I ftped that onto
>the UNIX machine and it was fine.

The problem is more general than TeXShop. The data files that my OS9
programs wrote now cannot be plotted by unix gnuplot locally or after
being ftp'd to a remote machine because they are full of ^M, which is
a Mac line ending. I think pre-OSX it was clear that a mac was a mac
and the control characters got translated, but now mac is also unix
so.....??  The BBEdit 'save as' dialog includes the option of mac or
unix, and i've been dragging the files onto BB and saving as unix. I
really wish BBEdit could somehow handle the text editing part of
TeXShop. 

I'm still not sure how I'm going to handle graphics. I've always done
TeX the user-unfriendly way on unix making .ps or .eps graphics with
gnuplot. I can distill .ps to .pdf but that's one more step. a cocoa
ploting app wd make .pdf but some journals want .ps anyway.

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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Thu Jun 28 09:24:41 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 22:54:41 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop 1.1 & Prosper = Success ( =
 Prosperity???) OFF-TOPIC
In-Reply-To: <p04330100b75f711eb530@[134.173.42.48]>
References: <200106251628.f5PGSUx20911@darkwing.uoregon.edu>
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<x-flowed>
>
>And lastly (does that come after finally?), I want to put in a plug 
>for Prosper.
>While it is not perfect, it does a remarkable job of giving me the look and
>functionality of Powerpoint with the ease of LaTeX. (I know that sounds funny,
>but with the amount of math I put on slides, LaTeX is FAR easier to use than
>Powerpoint.) It seems by far the most sophisticated attempt in this direction
>(as compared to seminar, texpower, etc.) You can find it at 
>prosper.sourceforge.net.
>And with the new TeXshop all you need to do is drop it in your local 
>or personal
>texmf tree and you are good to go.
>
>Josh
>--

Sorry this is off-topic.

I tried out Prosper tonight for the first time. I don't like any of the
provided styles. Can you just turn off the style? I hacked the
aqua one to get rid of the gradient on the left but I don't really
know what I am doing.  I would rather have more control over
headings and background color in the document than be stuck
with a generic style.

On the other hand it is very nice to have everything happen in one go!

I am used to ubuild from www.utopiatype.com.au - its a post processor
so you have to tex -> dvips -> ps2pdf -> open in acrobat then start again.


Michael

PS: Of course with ubuild and oztex you can produce completely
Australian slides - nice if you don't mind them being upside down :-)


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From jguyer at his.com  Thu Jun 21 09:43:44 2001
From: jguyer at his.com (Jon Guyer)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:43:44 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] opening .tex files under OS X?
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<x-flowed>At 11:33 AM +0100 6/21/01, David Firth wrote:
>Is there some simple way to tell OS X to open any double-clicked
>file whose name is something.tex with a specified application (say
>BBEdit, or TeXshop, or whatever)?


File->Show Info->Application

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From zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu  Mon Jun 11 23:49:56 2001
From: zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu (Zachary Davis)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:49:56 -0500
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop
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<x-flowed windows-1252>Monday, 11 June 2001

Dr. Murray,

Upon following your instructions I again get the following error:

[localhost:~] zdavis% pdflatex Untitled 3.tex
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1)
! I can't find file `Untitled'.
<*> Untitled
              3.tex
Please type another input file name:


On Monday, June 11, 2001, at 10:37  PM, Michael Murray wrote:

>> Monday, 11 June 2001
>>
>> That is correct, if I have a file (e.g. fred.tex, untitled.tex, etc.) 
>> and I go to typeset the document, I encounter this error, asking me to 
>> input another filename.  This error keeps persisting, regardless of 
>> the file's name that is input.  I am; therefore, unable to typeset 
>> anything in TeXShop.
>>
>
> OK. What happens if you open up terminal, put the file in your Home
> directory and type `pdflatex untitled.tex' ?
>
>
> Michael
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From jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr  Fri Jun  1 08:18:49 2001
From: jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr (laurens)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:18:49 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] How to install *.cls files for TeXShop?
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>I downloaded an AIAA (unofficial) LaTeX package
><http://abftp.larc.nasa.gov/~kleb/aiaa/>.  I did a little detective
>work and found out that I could set a variable, TEXINPUTS, to use
>it's *.cls file.  Now, I did that and pdfLaTeX finds the file when
>run from the command line.  When TeXShop runs pdfLaTeX, it doesn't
>find it.  What to do?
>
>I set the variable in my .cshrc.  Clearly, my .cshrc file isn't being
>run for TeXShop.


TeXshop does not launch its tex jobs through a terminal and does not read for
environment variables. It would be difficult to do such things because people
may use different shells (sh, csh, bash...) and the variables may differ.

You should put your extra classes in the right location of your texmf
ditribution,
anyone but me expert in tetex will answer you.


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From j-beda at pobox.com  Fri Jun 22 09:45:12 2001
From: j-beda at pobox.com (Johann Beda)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:45:12 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: opening .tex files under OS X?
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On 2001/06/21, at 11:33 AM +0100, David Firth wrote:
>Is there some simple way to tell OS X to open any double-clicked file
>whose name is something.tex with a specified application (say BBEdit,
>or TeXshop, or whatever)?

	I think that if you remove the "creator code" (and you can leave
the "type code" alone), you can set the system to open the file according
to the .tex extension.

	I know you can make a drag-and-drop utility to do this with
FileTyper in Mac OS 9 and probably in classic.

	I recently saw a command line script that would do this type of
thing in Mac OS X on one of the other X mailing lists, but I didn't save it.

	Additionally, there are a few Mac OS X utilities to set the various
file parameters like type/creator codes, but I don't know if any of them
will do batch jobs or if they only work one file at a time.


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From starr at unm.edu  Tue Jun 12 14:57:04 2001
From: starr at unm.edu (Gregory P. Starr)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:57:04 -0600
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit & TeX
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<x-flowed>Yes, but it isn't compatible with OS X.  I found this out from BB in 
response to this exact question.  Lack of a "helpful" editor is 
troubling me greatly at this point.

	--greg

On Tuesday, June 12, 2001, at 06:00 AM, Timothy Larkin wrote:

> Now that we're on the subject of BBEdit, is there a plugin that inserts 
> templates for TeX commands, the way Alpha does in LaTeX mode?
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From jhgowen at mac.com  Sun Jun  3 21:55:42 2001
From: jhgowen at mac.com (James Owen)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:55:42 +0900
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Unix versus Mac Linefeeds
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<x-flowed iso-8859-1>Yes, I have got RevTeX working. The only glitch is with pdf files.
I seem to either get the preview created by OS X for my pdf figures, 
which for some reason is rotated 90? from the way it should be, or else 
I get the whole page, shrunk to fit the bounding box, i.e. A4 sixe, not 
the 10cm square size that I trimmed them to Acrobat.

So mostly working.

James

On Monday, June 4, 2001, at 09:29  am, mclean at physics.queensu.ca wrote:

> Try using the BBEdit 'Zap "Gremlins"' menu option under 'Text' to 
> remove the ^M
> linefeed characters.
>
> Has anyone got REVTeX up and running under TeXShop ? I copied the style
> files into the directory that contained the text. That worked fine. 
> However, I
> got bit-mapped fonts in the printed pdf output. The fonts print out 
> fine if I do not
> use the REVTeX package.
>
> Alastair McLean
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> Ontario, K7L3N6, CANADA.
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From Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr  Wed Jun 27 08:57:50 2001
From: Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr (Bruno Voisin)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:57:50 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeX + GhostScript option not working ??
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<x-flowed>I'm not sure that would cure anything, but did you run texhash 
(especially if you did some customization of your old teTeX)?

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From wadams at atlis.com  Fri Jun 15 17:44:28 2001
From: wadams at atlis.com (William Adams)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:44:28 -0400
Subject: Excalibur Icon (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Carbonized Excalibur:
 Status  andCall for Help)
References: <200106111419.KAA11131@castor.eg.bucknell.edu>
 <3B24D414.7436827E@atlis.com>
 <200106111433.KAA11171@castor.eg.bucknell.edu>
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Okay, I've finally gotten the NT server rebuilt and restored (but
couldn't figure out how to get the RAID partition back on the internal
drive :(

So, here's a preview of the first, quick-and-dirty, let me re-draw the
icon as it exists now to get it out of my system 'n' get a feel for it
Excalibur icon.

http://members.aol.com/willadams/portfolio/icons/excaliburicon-1.gif

The .icns file proper is at:

http://members.aol.com/willadams/portfolio/icons/excalibur.icns

I've got some other concepts still on tap yet---some rough sketches I've
done with the kids in crayon :) One or two of them seem promising, will
have them up in some form or other over the weekend.

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From harrison at math.berkeley.edu  Sun Jun 10 21:08:43 2001
From: harrison at math.berkeley.edu (Jenny Harrison)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 18:08:43 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: MacOSX-TeX Digest #30 - 06/06/01
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<x-flowed>I am still looking for a tex editing program with collapsing 
outlines,  synchronicity, and flash. These are my "must-haves".  I am 
now convinced one program does not yet exist.  But it should.  Once 
you have got used to these features, they are all hard to do without. 
Collapsing outlines are especially valuable when you are composing a 
long, complex document.    The end result is a linear progression of 
symbols, but the thought process going into it may be far from 
linear.  Collapsing outlines let you focus on just what you are 
thinking about and link ideas in a tree-like fashion.

So here is an idea for a developer.  Take a .tex file and find some 
way to collapse sections, chapters, and anything marked with \begin 
and \end, such as the proof of a theorem. Double click on a section 
and it collapses, leaving a marker.   Double click on the marker and 
it opens up.  Move the marker and you move the whole section.  I 
guess we need drag and drop, too.  Blue Sky, are you listening?

Jenny
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From hodas at cs.hmc.edu  Thu Jun 28 11:54:35 2001
From: hodas at cs.hmc.edu (Joshua S. Hodas)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:54:35 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] prosper
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<x-flowed>At 10:45 AM +0100 6/28/01, Lawrence C Paulson wrote:
>It does seem nice.  But Acrobat Reader 5 does an awful job on the demo
>presentation that's distributed with Prosper.  Instead of the intended screen
>transitions (which work on other versions of Acrobat) it pauses for a second
>and the screen goes completely white.  It is very painful to watch.

I don't have the pause, but I do have the flash of white, as I said in an
earlier note. Indeed, for my talk at IJCAR last Friday (Sorry you weren't
around for that session, Larry.) I rebooted back into 9.1 to actually give the
presentation. Someone else I talked to at the conference (I forget 
who) just decided
to use a plain style (i.e. just a blank white background) so that the flash to
white wouldn't be noticeable.


At 9:38 PM +0930 6/28/01, Michael Murray wrote:

>Can you get transitions like Glitter  to work. They work in
>Acrobat 4 under Classic but not in 5.


I hadn't noticed till now that they were gone, as I tend not to use them.
On the other hand' while they worked in 4 under classic when viewing 
in a window,
Acrobat 4 did not work at all in full-screen mode. It just presented a blank
screen. So, the blank flash between slides in 5.0 can be seen as a 
form of progress!


Josh
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From Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr  Thu Jun 21 11:50:50 2001
From: Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr (Bruno Voisin)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:50:50 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] opening .tex files under OS X?
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<x-flowed>As far as I understand, OS X uses the extension (.tex here) to associate 
a file with an application only when the file has empty creator and type 
fields: otherwise it uses these (pre-X) fields to associate the files 
with a Classic application. Clear these fields, and your .tex file will 
magically get a TeXShop icon. (Does anybody know how Pepper does its 
magic cf. [Mac OS X TeX] Pepper burnt me :-)?)

There used to be Classic utilities allowing to change the type/ creator 
fields of groups of files and folders, sometimes it was even possible to 
apply the change only to a selection of files within these groups, based 
on search criteria.

I don't remember what these utilities were. As for me, I still use a 
small (16 K) drag-and-drop utility called ctc 1.5, available on sumex 
circa 1993, allowing the change of creator/type/EOLs (by Brian Bechtel).

By the way, I noticed that all the files I imported from my pre-OS X 
directories are owned by "root", while all the files I created after 
installing OS X are owned by "[my username]" (well, I also happen to be 
root, but not necessarily anybody is :). Does anybody know how to change 
this without having to Terminal then chmod?

Is there also a possibility of having .sty .cls .ltx etc. files opened 
by TeXShop, not just .tex files?

Bruno Voisin

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From gray at engr.psu.edu  Mon Jun 11 23:55:00 2001
From: gray at engr.psu.edu (Gary L. Gray)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:55:00 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] bibliography database management?
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<x-flowed>I have been using EndNote for years to manage my bibliography 
databases. It exports very nicely to BibTeX and accesses most of the 
online databases for quickly importing references. I recently 
e-mailed ISI ResearchSoft <http://www.endnote.com/> and they said 
they did not know if they would be porting EndNote to Mac OS X and 
would see what their users wanted. With this in mind, I have a couple 
of things I would like to put forth:

(1) If you use EndNote and would like to see it ported to Mac OS X, 
please e-mail ISI ResearchSoft:

<mailto:suggestions at isiresearchsoft.com >

and/or

<mailto:president at isiresearchsoft.com>

and let them know.

(2) If EndNote doesn't appear for Mac OS X, does anyone have any 
suggestions on what to use for bibliography management under OS X?

Best regards,
-- 
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    Associate Professor
    Engineering Science & Mechanics
    Penn State University
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From ogus at math.berkeley.edu  Fri Jun  1 16:09:13 2001
From: ogus at math.berkeley.edu (Arthur Ogus)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:09:13 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
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<x-flowed>My understanding is that Blue Sky is still trying to evaluate the 
cost of and the market for its various options.  Communicate with 
them and try to tell them what you want.
-- 
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From Larry.Paulson at cl.cam.ac.uk  Mon Jun 25 12:17:13 2001
From: Larry.Paulson at cl.cam.ac.uk (Lawrence C Paulson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:17:13 +0100
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop 1.1 is available 
In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:02:03 -0400.            
 <p0510100eb75c2eb977de@[192.168.0.2]> 
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> Now if only Adobe would release a Carbon version of Illustrator.

Freehand 10 is Carbon and a free 30-day demo can be downloaded from Macromedia.

Has anybody tried it?  Is it a good replacement for Illustrator for editing 
.eps vector graphics, including Textures typeset output?
-- 
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From csmith at barebones.com  Tue Jun 12 16:12:46 2001
From: csmith at barebones.com (Christian Smith)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:12:46 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit & TeX
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On Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 4:10 PM, gray at engr.psu.edu (Gary L. Gray) wrote:

> On 6/12/2001 at 3:53 PM -0400, Christian Smith wrote:
> 
> >Contact the author of the plug-in and let him know you need a version of
> >this that works with OS X. Also, take a look at the Glossary feature and
> >see if this will do what you need.
> 
> Won't Gianluca Gorni's BBEdit LaTeX Glossary work with the Mac OS X 
> version of BBEdit?

Yes, glossaries are platform independent unless they do something like
call an AppleScript which makes use of an OSAX which is only available
on OS 9.

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From ross at ics.mq.edu.au  Tue Jun  5 05:04:41 2001
From: ross at ics.mq.edu.au (Ross Moore)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:04:41 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
In-Reply-To: <3B1C9539.B8AF9266@nada.kth.se> from serafim at "Jun 5, 2001
 10:15:53 am"
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> laurens wrote:
> > 
> > My opinion is that /library and ~/Library should contain the same
> > hierarchy. In the first location an administrator will place files
> > available to all the users, in the second one, each user will place files
> > of its own. I suggest the following hierarchy as a basis for a discussion
> > and I am waiting for your suggestions.
> > 
> > (~)/Library/TeXMF Support/TeX
> >                          /TeX/Shell Scripts
> >                          /TeX/TeX Input
> >                          /TeX/TeX Input/TeX (input .tex files)
> >                          /TeX/TeX Input/LaTeX (packages in folders...)
> >                          /TeX/TeX Input/?
> >                          /TeX/TeX Format (for further use)
> >                          /TeX/TeX Fonts (linked to (~)/Library/Fonts ??? :(
> >                          /Metafont
> >                          /?
> > 
> 
> Since Mac OS X is a unix variation it is highly personal how to
> configure
> personal additions.

No, this is not a good way to do it.

A whole bunch of TeX experts spent several years devising the TDS
(TeX Directory Structure) specifications for organising the hierarchy
of applications/fonts/packages etc. for use with all things TeX.

The result of this is the kind of hierarchy that you find under
the  ..../texmf/  directory.

Please *always* use such a structure, else you are just negating
the good work that has been done already, and ultimately making things
more difficult for yourself.


The free TeXLive CDs that are produced every year use such a TDS
structure. So keeping your TeX up-to-date is very simple when you
also follow TDS. The free  teTeX  structure, with the  kpathsea
searching mechanism, only works efficiently because of this TDS
structure. 

If you want to keep a local tree, separate from the main texmf/ tree,
that's OK --- provided it also is TDS compliant. Searching multiple texmf/
trees is easy to configure (in teTeX, via the texmf.cnf file).
But unless you keep to the TDS structure, then you cannot be sure that
local updates will indeed be found in preference to older versions
of files having the same name, located within the system texmf/ tree.

For example, you add a new font with its .tfm files, so that (La)TeX
finds it.  But does dvips find it too ? and  pdfTeX ?
Will Metafont find the .mf sources, if you need to make bitmaps ?

 
> In all the different Unix variants that I use (I haven't installed
> 
> Mac OS X yet) I have use my own setting.
> 
> I have made a number of file catalogues:
> 
> ~/tex
> as a "root" for my local definitions and packages
> 
> ~/tex/inputs
> where I store all .cls, .tex and .sty files
> 
> ~/tex/formats
> where I store all .fmt files
> 
> ~/tex/fonts
> where I store all font files
> 
> and, finally,
> ~/tex/locals
> where I store all packages that I don't want to split into
> the other directories.

Having your own structures, built up over the years so that you know
exactly where things belong, is fine; but please do not recommend this
to others who do not have that same historical advantage.

The TDS is the standard that should be followed with new installations;
especially those based on Unix and/or a myriad of separate executables
each performing their individual tasks.

 
> In Solaris and on all Linux distributions I have a set of
> inititalizations to make my stuff come first. There must be a
> way to get the same effect in Mac OS X.

Installing teTeX under MacOS X  is no more difficult than on
any other platform (provided the 'configure' script is up-to-date
so as to recognise the Mac platform).


> In solaris they reside in either .bashrc or .aliases or .environment
> depending on the actual system. In all the different Linux's they
> reside in .bashrc.
> 
> ------------------------------------ for tcsh --------------
> setenv TEXINPUTS .:$HOME/tex/inputs//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
> setenv TEXFORMATS .:$HOME/tex/formats//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
> setenv TEXFONTS .:/tex/fonts//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
> setenv TEXEDIT emacs
> 
> ------------------------------------ for sh and bash --------------
> export TEXINPUTS=.:$HOME/tex/inputs//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
> export TEXFORMATS=.:$HOME/tex/formats//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
> export TEXFONTS=.:$HOME/tex/fonts//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
> export TEXEDIT emacs

To add a new TDS-compliant texmf/ tree to a  teTeX  installation requires
adding *just one path* into *just one line* of the texmf.cnf file.
(However, it is more elegant to use 1 line to define a new variable,
 then use that variable in just one place on another line of the file.)

Then all of the other variables inherit from this simple addition,
and all of the applications can find what they need from the new tree.

All those .bashrc .aliases etc. files are completely redundant.


Besides, on a shared server, teTeX is usually setup so that a new user
simply need create a  ~/texmf/  tree (i.e. texmf/ in their home directory).
*No further* configuration is required to have a local tree that
overrides older files in the system texmf/ tree.
So if you don't have write-access to  texmf.cnf  then it doesn't matter
at all, because you don't need to do it that way.



> The double slash tells tex to search recursively in subdirectories ans
> the double colon on the end tells tex to add the standard search paths
> at the end.
> 
> All the directories are open to anyone and this way I get my stuff
> without imposing it on others.
> 
> But ...... as I said ... it's personal and in a complex distributed
> environment (as Unix) - let's keep personal stuff personal.

Precisely...

	... and TDS is designed to make it easier to do so.


Hope this helps,

	Ross


> 
> /Serafim
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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Wed Jun 27 09:55:43 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:25:43 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeX + GhostScript option not working ??
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<x-flowed>>  > I discovered I couldn't do any form of latex from the command line -
>>  always the same error.  Is this a feature or a bug :-)
>
>You have to enable symlinks in the installer, and to do that you first have to
>enable the relevant button using a menu.  Peculiar, and possibly a positive
>attempt to discourage the use of symlinks...
>--
>Lawrence C Paulson
>Reader in Computational Logic
>Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge
>Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG, England
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>

Ah thanks.  I guess I should have RTFM before I installed and I
just through the tetex.dmg off my machine this evening !

Michael

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From zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu  Sat Jun 16 21:01:11 2001
From: zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu (Zachary Davis)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:01:11 -0500
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Macro Question
Message-ID: <200106170102.UAA05268@gamma2.uta.edu>



<x-flowed windows-1252>Can anyone explain to me what is wrong with the following macro?  I keep 
getting an error in the TeX log saying that it will assume that I 
meant ##:

\def\linespacint#1{\baselineskip=#1\normalbaselineskip}

Thanks,

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From fwallenberg at mac.com  Mon Jun 11 19:27:37 2001
From: fwallenberg at mac.com (Fredrik Wallenberg)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:27:37 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TexShop crashing OS X
In-Reply-To: <a05100e0ab72634834799@[131.215.23.80]>
Message-ID: <200106112325.QAA08279@smtpout.mac.com>



<x-flowed>Did you ever send me any of those pdf files? Apple sent me an email 
asking for sample files to test (and I don't have any of my own).

Fredrik

On Monday, May 14, 2001, at 06:29 , Paolo Ghirardato wrote:

> I have had similar experiences with pdf files, not in TeXShop's preview 
> window, but directly with OS X's Preview application. Some -- luckily 
> few -- pdf files (I can send you one if you care to try) manage to 
> crash OS X (on both my machines) exactly in the manner you describe.

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From j.stark at ucl.ac.uk  Thu Jun 28 11:38:16 2001
From: j.stark at ucl.ac.uk (J. Stark)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:38:16 +0100
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Type/Creator codes
In-Reply-To: <p0510030db760eef55bb2@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <v04020a04b760ff359bf6@[195.102.200.38]>



Note that there is a bug in the Cocoa Application Framework that prevents
Cocoa apps handling type/creator codes correctly, see

http://developer.apple.com/qa/qa2001/qa1039.html

This may account for some of the problems that have been reported in this
direction. I don't know if it specifically affects TeXShop.

The above page also gives a patch that developers can include in their code
to fix this on a application by application basis, until Apple fixes the
bug.

Jaroslav

>
>	I think that some OS X programs save files with with either the
>file type as "????" or as blank.  I would hope that TeXShop would at least
>save them as file type TEXT, but I guess it doesn't.
>
>	Perhaps Excalibur should also check for any .tex or .txt extension?
>Or be able to drag and drop for any type of file?  Or for "????"/blank file
>types?
>
>--
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From tom at kiffe.com  Thu Jun 21 21:39:42 2001
From: tom at kiffe.com (Tom Kiffe)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:39:42 -0500
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Updated pdftex for CMacTeX
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The pdftex program distributed with CMacTeX has been updated to include the
latest source patches. These patches fix the problems which occurred 
when documents created by pdftex were printed from Acrobat Reader 5.0.

The patched pdftex is only available in the file cmactex_osx.sit.bin which
can be downloaded from the OS X section of the CMacTeX Home Page at
http://www.kiffe.com/cmactex.html. The CMacTeX User Guide has been recreated
with the patched pdftex and should print from Reader 5.0.

Tom Kiffe

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From Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr  Tue Jun 12 02:25:33 2001
From: Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr (Bruno Voisin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:25:33 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop
In-Reply-To: <p05101029b74b377e9a39@[10.0.1.10]>
Message-ID: <200106120725.IAA07529@legik260.hmg.inpg.fr>



<x-flowed iso-8859-1>> [...] or you can go to the Finder and
> hit the Go menu and the do Go to Folder and type in /usr/local
> the Finder will go to that directory. You can then look through the 
> teTeX folder. You cannot click and open folders and find your way to 
> /usr/local
> as the Finder trys to hide it.

Thanks a lot for this tip - extremely handy. Now I can just drag TeX 
macro files onto my favourite editor and see what's in there.

Also discovered all that programs already on my Mac - emacs vi etc. 
Never suspected so!

Bruno Voisin


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From paolo at hss.caltech.edu  Fri Jun  1 17:32:38 2001
From: paolo at hss.caltech.edu (Paolo Ghirardato)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:32:38 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] CMacTeX 4.0
In-Reply-To: <p05100302b73c990f02ba@[208.180.3.113]>
References: <200105141807.TAA23366@legik260.hmg.inpg.fr>
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<x-flowed>>Version 4.0 of CMacTeX for Mac OS X and OS 9 can be downloaded from the
>CMacTeX Home Page at http://www.kiffe.com/cmactex.html. This release
>supersedes the previous OS X beta release included with CMacTeX 3.7.

A stupid question --- but possibly a problem that some other inept 
people like me could face.

I downloaded all the CMacTeX package and installed it according to 
instructions (I already had teTeX and TeXShop installed). It seems to 
be working fine, with one exception: Macdvi does not render some 
fonts correctly in the previewer window. I imagine that this is 
because it is not finding the fonts where it's expecting them.
Any suggestion as to how to fix this? (Notice that I have also 
Textures installed, and its previewer has no problems.)

Also a more trivial question: Why not use OS X's Preview as a pdf 
previewer with CMacTeX? I tried setting it as the pdf previewer of 
choice, but when I used CMacTeX to do pdflatex, it opened a dialogue 
asking to choose an application to do preview with.

paolo

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From durinx at rulsfb.leidenuniv.nl  Mon Jun 25 16:44:39 2001
From: durinx at rulsfb.leidenuniv.nl (durinx at rulsfb.leidenuniv.nl)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:44:39 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Phantom Prosperity
Message-ID: <01K5789QIFLQ00034M@rulsfb.leidenuniv.nl>



<x-flowed>Hi

1. Is it just my impression, or does teTeX not support \phantoms ? I use 
and misuse them extensively and happily,
so would miss them greatly. teTeX does seem to recognize them, as it 
does not give an error, but on the other hand it does not properly 
process them: it ignores them. Am I right, is there an alternative, 
what's the situation?

2. How about landscape-mode (as in:   
\documentclass[12pt,landscape]{article}  ) ?  In the preview, the text 
falls of the page (no worry, Mac previewers have never been able if it 
comes to rotating and picture-ing)--- but oh no, it is there to stay on 
the final pdf version... I would like to use the PROSPER class for 
making very nice looking powerpoint-like presentations not only without 
the help or nice mr. Gates but also including math.
Has anyone been able to run it under OS X (in my case: preferably 
TeXShop+teTeX). By the way, it's never ran properly under OS 9 
(Alpha+Oztex) either, on my Mac.  'Must be a bounding box thing', ok, 
but how to solve it?

hopefully,
Michel <CRASH! Kernel panic! Kaoz! ok, my work here is done> Durinx
<AKA the NextGenerationFool2.1, the improvement in fooling IdiotProof 
(tm) programs>

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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Wed Jun 13 08:31:08 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:01:08 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Pepper burnt me :-)
Message-ID: <p05101005b74d0ce7f884@[10.0.1.3]>



<x-flowed>I launched Pepper and open a single file. Now lots of my files that end
in .tex are Pepper files.  Does anyone know how I turn this off in X -
in 9 I would rebuild the desktop ...

If you download Pepper you will catch a fleeting bit of humour as
Stuffit Expander says `Unstuffing Pepper' :-)

Michael
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From serafim at nada.kth.se  Tue Jun  5 11:21:39 2001
From: serafim at nada.kth.se (serafim)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 17:21:39 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
References: <200106050904.TAA14209@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au>	
 <200106050904.TAA14209@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au>
 <v03020905b74296d61e6bF@[193.50.49.137]>
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laurens wrote:
> 
> >       I must echo Ross Moore's recommendation.  By all means create
> >your own archive of tex inputs (or packages from CTAN not included in
> >the standard teTeX distribution), but put them in the TDS format.
> >
> >In addition to Ross's reasons I offer the following:
> >
> >1) It works and it will ultimately translate into less work for you.
> >
> >2) By creating your own ~/texmf or ~/lib/texmf you can have one texmf
> >tree (teTeX) that remains untouched for ease of upgrading and
> >CMacTeX, teTeX, and TeXShop all work without any extra work!  (OzTeX
> >is easily pointed to this location through its local configuration
> >file as well.)
> >
> >CMacTeX expects a local texmf tree; one creates an alias to it in the
> >application folder.
> >
> >TeXShop CANNOT read the TEXINPUTS environment variables suggested by
> >Serafim so this solution is not helpful to TeXShop users.
> 
I am sorry if I stir up a lot of emotion. I have used TeX and LaTeX for
many years and followed what I supposed to be good advice from TeX
"wizards" at my job.

My letter really has three messages:
1) This is what I did (and learned today that it stinks-:).
2) Don't mess up the global TeX system.
3) Keep personal stuff personal - don't impose your stuff on others.

In the system such as it is configured at work it obviously doesn't
work your way and that's a pity. The result is that I use my own
settings "everywhere" and it works - "everywhere" (so far), but ...

I am willing to learn (and possibly teach others - the local TeX
wizards since many years). Point me to the right docs for this matter.

/Serafim

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From zaccone at bucknell.edu  Wed Jun 27 12:25:54 2001
From: zaccone at bucknell.edu (Rick Zaccone)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:25:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Excalibur 4.0b1
In-Reply-To: <200106271541.IAA19144@smtpout.mac.com> (message from
 Fredrik	Wallenberg on Wed, 27 Jun 2001 08:42:02 -0700)
References: <200106271541.IAA19144@smtpout.mac.com>
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>A) It does not know of the following TexShop standard (tries to check
>pdf and jpg):
>\DeclareGraphicsExtensions{.pdf, .jpg}

Is this specific to TeXShop?  I can easily make Excalibur aware of
this command.  You can also do it by using LaTeX->Edit Commands.

>B) I can't open my .tex files. I suspect it looks at the creator/type,
>but documents created in OS X don't necessarily have a resource fork.

Excalibur does look at the file type.  It will open any TEXT file.  I
guess TeXShop files aren't TEXT files.  Shouldn't they be?  Excalibur
doesn't care if the file has a resource fork and you don't need one to
have a file type.

>C) Maybe it is a case of RTFM, but I couldn't use the "add" button as I
>went through and checked my document.

This is an instance where balloon help was really useful.  Excalibur's
balloons would have told you why the Add button wasn't available.
It's probably because none of the dictionaries that you were using was
writable.  The Standard Dictionary is read only.

Rick

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From ross at ics.mq.edu.au  Sun Jun 17 03:18:41 2001
From: ross at ics.mq.edu.au (Ross Moore)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 17:18:41 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Macro Question
In-Reply-To: <200106170628.BAA19824@gamma2.uta.edu> from Zachary Davis at
 "Jun 17, 2001 01:27:01 am"
Message-ID: <200106170718.RAA26605@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au>




The macro that I've defined here does not reside within an environment, 
but is rather a stand-alone macro:

\def\linespacing\#1{\baselineskip=#1\normalbaselineskip}
                ^
what is this \ for ?
# by itself is a macro-parameter, \# is not.


Hope this helps ?

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From charles.bouldin at nist.gov  Mon Jun 11 20:48:27 2001
From: charles.bouldin at nist.gov (Charles Bouldin)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:48:27 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: MacOSX-TeX Digest #31 - 06/11/01
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<x-flowed>>Subject: Re: MacOSX-TeX Digest #30 - 06/06/01
>From: "Jenny Harrison" <harrison at math.berkeley.edu>
>Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 18:08:43 -0700
>
>I am still looking for a tex editing program with collapsing
>outlines,  synchronicity, and flash. These are my "must-haves".  I am
>now convinced one program does not yet exist.  But it should.  Once
>you have got used to these features, they are all hard to do without.
>Collapsing outlines are especially valuable when you are composing a
>long, complex document.    The end result is a linear progression of
>symbols, but the thought

I agree, no such tex editing system exists, although pieces of it do. 
Textures has synchronicity and flash, and (under MacOS 9) you can 
couple it to BBEdit. The collapsing outlines are called "text 
folding" in Qued/M. I've been suggesting that Bare Bones add this to 
BBedit for some years, but the amount of work is substantial and they 
haven't done it. Perhaps if they heard from several people on this 
list?

On the subject of editors, I use the full version of BBEdit on OS X, 
so I haven't looked at the new 6.1 BBEdit Lite on X...does it support 
TeX syntax colorization? If so, that would seem to me to solve the 
issue of a good and free editor to use with any TeX implementation on 
OS X. (Unless I hear a rebuttal from the alpha cabal?)

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From fwallenberg at mac.com  Fri Jun 22 02:54:00 2001
From: fwallenberg at mac.com (Fredrik Wallenberg)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:54:00 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] BibTex errors using TexShop
Message-ID: <200106220653.XAA22751@smtpout.mac.com>



<x-flowed>I get the following message in the Tex console:

This is BibTeX, Version 0,99c (Web2C 7.3.1)
The top-level auxiliary file: stickyweb.aux
The style file: plain.bst
Database file#1: FWBibiliography.bib
Sorry---you've exceeded BibTeX's buffer size 5000
Aborted at line 0 of file FWBibiliography.bib
(That was a fatal error)


Is there anyone who knows how to fix this (it is probably trivial, but I 
haven't found the answer documented in any of the "easy to access" 
sources).

Thanks,

Fredrik

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From tom at kiffe.com  Sat Jun  2 00:40:31 2001
From: tom at kiffe.com (Tom Kiffe)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 23:40:31 -0500
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] CMacTeX 4.0
In-Reply-To: <p05100e0eb73cb7a6ca87@[192.168.0.2]>
References: <200105141807.TAA23366@legik260.hmg.inpg.fr>
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>On 5/31/2001 at 9:52 PM -0500, Tom Kiffe wrote:
>
>>1) The full installation of CMacTeX gives you a basic TeX installation
>>that works in both OS 9 and OS X. The installation can be done in either
>>OS 9 or OS X, the only difference being the location of your Preferences
>>folder. The installation process has been greatly simplified.
>
>Let me begin by saying that this is fantastic! Now for some questions ... see below.
>
>>
>>2) If you already have teTeX installed on OS X you can download just one
>>file which contains all of the Carbon binaries and the support files
>>specific to CMacTeX. The teTeX texmf tree can be used with CMacTeX.
>>Version 4.0 fully supports alias folders so you can put CMacTeX on any
>>partition. (With the previous beta release CMacTeX had to be installed
>>on the root partition.)
>
>If we installed teTeX obtained from the TeXShop web page, should we install the distribution (the archive texmflib.sit.bin???) found on your page (since it is probably a newer distribution)? If so, will the installer simply overwrite the TeXShop distribution or do we need to go through additional UNIX contortions?
>

Do not install the texmf tree included in texmflib.sit.bin if you have
installed teTeX. My texmf tree is a subset of teTeX's texmf tree. All of
the configuration and format files specific to CMacTeX are included in
texmf-cmt. About the only package included with teTeX that may be out-of-date
is hyperref (texmf/tex/latex/hyperref), if you use my pdftex. If you do have
problems with hyperref and pdftex just download the latest hyperref package
>from CTAN.

>>5) Currently CMacTeX contains the only native dvi previewer for OS X which
>>does not require the installation of the X Window System. If a dvi file
>>has been prepared with the srcltx package, a click in a displayed page
>>will take you back to the editor and the editor will highlight the first
>>line of the selected paragraph. This feature currently works only with
>>BBEdit and Alpha because only these editors have the needed Apple Event
>>support.
>
>I assume that dvi files created with CMacTeX are of this type?

You must add the srcltx package to your tex source files. A typical latex
document would begin with

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{srcltx}
etc

in order to specials written to the dvi file. After you have finished 
debugging your sources be sure to remove the \usepackage{srcltx} from
your source file. 
>
>>
>>6) Macintosh Postscript fonts can be used with CMacTeX's dvips and pdftex.
>>You do not have to convert your Lucida or MathTime Postscript fonts into
>>pfb format.
>
>Are there instructions for how to do this in your documentation? In addition, does pdftex do 100% embedding of fonts in pdf documents? This seems to be very important for other people to be able to read my/your/anyone's pdf documents with everything showing up properly.

I presume that you have these Postscript fonts in Macintosh format and they
are probably in /Library/Fonts or ~/Library/Fonts. Wherever they are make an
alias of the folder containing these Postscript fonts and move the alias to
the texmf-cmt/fonts/type1 folder. Launch setup and choose "Initialize default
search paths." (This is the CMacTeX equivalent of texhash.) To have dvips
actually use these fonts open texmf-cmt/dvips/config/config.ps and make sure
that the lines

p +lucida-lwfn.map
p +mathtime-lwfn.map

do not begin with a %. To configure pdftex to use the Lucida and MathTime
fonts open /texmf-cmt/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg and make sure that you have
the lines 

map +lucida-lwfn.map
map +mathtime-lwfn.map

Comment out any other lines beginning with "map" that refer to either the
lucida or mathtime fonts. 

Note that you can open these files from CMacTeX by using the "Open config"
item under the Edit menu.

In dvips you turn partial font downloading on or off in config.ps. Partial
font downloading is turn on by default. To turn it off make sure that
config.ps has the line

j0

To turn it back on change j0 to %j0. Pdftex does not have a similar item in
its pdftex.cfg file. I have added this option to the "pdftex options" item
under the Options Menu in CMacTeX. Either of these approaches affects all
Postscript fonts. To turn off partial font downloading just for a few specific
fonts who have to modify the appropriate mapping file. For example, open
texmf-cmt/dvips/config/lucida-lwfn.map. One line in this file is

hlcry LucidaNewMath-Symbol <LucidNewMatSym

If you change this line to

hlcry LucidaNewMath-Symbol <<LucidNewMatSym

the LucidNewMatSym font will never be partially downloaded. You can do this
for any font in any .map file.

Tom Kiffe

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From hodas at cs.hmc.edu  Mon Jun 25 23:18:28 2001
From: hodas at cs.hmc.edu (Joshua S. Hodas)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 05:18:28 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Phantom Prosperity
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<x-flowed>>I would like to use the PROSPER class for making very nice looking 
>powerpoint-like presentations not only without the help or nice mr. 
>Gates but also including math.
>Has anyone been able to run it under OS X (in my case: preferably 
>TeXShop+teTeX). By the way, it's never ran properly under OS 9 
>(Alpha+Oztex) either, on my Mac.  'Must be a bounding box thing', 
>ok, but how to solve it?


I have successfully used Prosper to prepare a talk last week using CMacTex.
This is, as far as I know, the only option, as it requires pstricks which
does not work with  TeXShop (or any pdflatex based system).

Note that what I did was use the CMacTeX installation that builds off 
the texmf installation
>from TeXshop. This has all the stuff you need other than prosper itself.

In contrast, when I tried a straight CMacTeX installation under 9.1 
with its own
texmf there were a variety of packages missing.

I do wish there were a way to make this work under TeXshop, as it is 
a much friendlier
setup, but I guess the architectural problems are too deep.  It would 
be  nice if
CMacTex could provide a single command to tex-dvips-ps2pdf-display.

Note also that I had to reboot in 9.1 to actually give my show. 
Acrobat 5.0 (the carbon
version) flashes white between slide changes when in full-screen 
mode. (Version 4.0
just displayed only white in full-screen mode, so this is an improvement.)

Also, I am a bit confused in that there seem to be font problems 
(partially blank pages)
viewing the created pdfs in apples previewer. This is odd because the 
sample pdfs that
come with prosper all display fine.

Josh



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From norman+lists at astro.gla.ac.uk  Fri Jun 15 06:40:46 2001
From: norman+lists at astro.gla.ac.uk (Norman Gray)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:40:46 +0100
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Fonts in OS X
Message-ID: <E15Ar1y-0008FT-00@goedel.astro.gla.ac.uk>




Greetings,

On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Zachary Davis wrote:

> MacOS X has quite a number of fonts, and I would expect that somehow I
> would be able to use the installed fonts in /Library/Fonts.  However, I
> have looked in numerous sources, and have been unable to find the
> necessary font codes--the ones used to distinguish the font and load it
> into TeX.  I am interested in experimenting with the fonts for my

Ah, hours of fun.  I have the impression that this is wonderfully easy
once you understand it, but getting to that mystical point takes
effort.

I can't offer much specific advice, but places to start include

http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?question=83
    `Choice of scalable outline fonts' in the UK TeX FAQ, and
    references therein.
http://www.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/info/TrueType/
    `Using TrueType fonts with teTEX and dvips', along with other Good
    Things in /tex-archive/info
LaTeX2e Font Selection
    This is the file fntguide.tex which should be somewhere in your
    LaTeX distribution (but is also at
    ftp://ftp.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/macros/latex/base/fntguide.tex if
    you have difficulty finding it).  There's an HTML version of it
    at http://tex.loria.fr/general/new/fntguide.html

In the second and third case, replace www.tex.ac.uk with www.ctan.org
for the location of the US CTAN host.

Good luck,

Norman

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From franconi at cs.man.ac.uk  Tue Jun  5 19:37:08 2001
From: franconi at cs.man.ac.uk (Enrico Franconi)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 00:37:08 +0100
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Carbon CMacTeX
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I'm happily using prosper with standard tetex and ghostscript
installed from fink.
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From alex at eos.tuwien.ac.at  Thu Jun 28 01:28:47 2001
From: alex at eos.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Mehlmann)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:28:47 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeX + GhostScript option not working ?? 
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<x-flowed>Michael!


Should not the right location of epstopdf be:

[localhost:~] almeh% which epstopdf
/usr/local/teTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin1.3.7/epstopdf    ?


Alexander Mehlmann
http://www.eos.tuwien.ac.at/OR/Mehlmann/mehlmann.html

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From paul-fons at aist.go.jp  Mon Jun 18 05:32:57 2001
From: paul-fons at aist.go.jp (Dr. Paul Fons)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:32:57 +0900
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Patch for pdftex for subsetted font printing
 problem binaries available?
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<x-flowed>
I noted with great interest that Tom Kacvinsky on the pdftex list has 
released a patch to fix a bug in the pdf output of pdftex that results 
in acrobat 5.0 not being able to read the output of pdftex files.  Is 
there some kind sole out there who is willing to recompile teTeX to 
incorporate this patch for MacOS X.  I (and many others I assume) would 
love to be able to just download the binaries instead of having to 
recompile teTeX (in my case for the first time). The bug fixes subsetted 
fonts output in pdf so there are no gaps (otherwise Adobe Acrobat 5.0 
complains that it can't print the file).
								

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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Mon Jun 11 21:40:58 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:10:58 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: MacOSX-TeX Digest #31 - 06/11/01
In-Reply-To: <p05101001b74b2035a87f@[192.168.0.2]>
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<x-flowed>>On 6/11/2001 at 9:17 PM -0400, Christian Smith wrote:
>
>>No, nor will it ever likely support syntax coloring. This is a feature
>>reserved for the full version of BBEdit.
>
>I am glad that it is only in the full version -- I like getting 
>features for my money. :-)
>
>I am very happy to see that someone from Bare Bones is reading this 
>list and I would like to see you comment on this idea of collapsible 
>outlines or sections in BBEdit. If I understand this correctly, it 
>would work much like sections work in Mathematica in which you can 
>collapse a section or subsection into just its heading by 
>double-clicking a appropriate cell bracket. Is this correct? If so, 
>I would love to see this in BBEdit (I would also love to see it work 
>with TeXShop, but that is another story).
>
>Best regards,
>--
>    Gary L. Gray
>    Associate Professor
>    Engineering Science & Mechanics
>    Penn State University
>    (814) 863-1778
>    http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/
>


This would be great. It would seem with the way LaTeX enviroments 
work you  could just treat every \begin and \end as a marker defining 
a section.

I would also like a bit more syntax colouring like
colouring the $ signs.  But then I am an Alpha exile !


Michael
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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Fri Jun  1 02:41:24 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:11:24 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
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<x-flowed>>Thursday, 31 May 2001
>



>   If anyone has the time, to explain how I might set up my Ti Book 
>to run TeX/LaTeX natively under OS X in a manner similar to what I 
>have learned to expect in Textures, I would be much obliged.  It 
>would be nice to know what TeX Engine I need, if there are any weird 
>installation procedures, ease of use, editor of choice, additional 
>fonts I need to install, any packages I need to run LaTeX, pdf 
>viewers, and whether it is possible to see the output as I type.
>




>Zach Davis
>On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 10:54  PM, Gary L. Gray wrote:
>

Dear Zach,

I have never used Textures although my wife has it and thereby I have 
some experience being the family mac expert.
But I have been a long time user of OzTeX and Alpha.   Neither are 
carbonised yet so I have been experimenting
with both TeXShop and CMacTeX.  If you want a straightforward setup, 
with a minimalist editor,  I'd go
for TeXShop.

Catches are:

(*) No synchronicity (never tested this myself in textures - my wife 
never bought the upgrade)

(*) No live texing as you type - you have to typset - its pretty fast.

(*) Because it is pdflatex or pdftex it doesn't let you include
postscript graphics.    You need to convert them with something to 
pdf. The simplest thing is Tom Kiffes MacGhostView
which has a little ps2pdf script you can drag and drop onto.

(*) There are instructions on the TeXShop page about
setting it up.  It does need a little command line work in Terminal. 
I have a feeling this is going to be a
feature of OSX!  If you are working in a University environment like 
I am a little UNIX knowledge is I think
a worthwhile investment and UNIX is very prevalent.  For some time 
mine knowledge has been:

(1) Knowing how to get in and out of a document and edit and replace in vi.

(2) Knowing how see invisible files with ls -a

(3) Knowing how to look up processes with ps -xu and to kill them

(4) Knowing how to use rm, cp, mv and to a lesser exent gzip and tar. 
I have no idea what all the options
on this commands mean I just use them!

(5) Knowing how look something up on a man page.


Since getting  OSX and hence having root privileges I know how to

(6) Sudo (very carefully :-) )

If you want to do more complicated things and don't mind a bit more 
complicated setup get
CMacTeX.

Actually I would   get  both as they are both cheap and can share 
files.  You are going to
need MacGhostView anyway if you even want to include a ps file in 
your pdflatex.

Michael

PS [OFF-TOPIC] Isn't the TiBook wonderful :-)
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From keyes at chem.bu.edu  Tue Jun 12 10:44:46 2001
From: keyes at chem.bu.edu (Tom Keyes)
Date: 12 Jun 2001 10:44:46 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop
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On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 2:49 AM, Michael Murray
<mailto:mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au> wrote:
>Another useful tip pointed out to me by someone else is
>if you are in terminal and drag a file onto the open terminal
>window it will type in the path.

The coexistence of mac and unix is the most interesting thing for me in
OSX. If you want a finder window on /usr/local just type 'open /usr/local'
in terminal. If you want finder window on your current directory 'open .'
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From ross at ics.mq.edu.au  Sun Jun  3 21:14:10 2001
From: ross at ics.mq.edu.au (Ross Moore)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:14:10 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop text ?
In-Reply-To: <p05100e08b73fcc467489@[10.0.1.3]> from Michael Murray at
 "Jun 3, 2001 09:00:20 pm"
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Hi Michael,

> I'm not sure if I've posted the first of these questions before.
> 
> If I open a TeXShop file in BBEdit it has lots of little
> rectangles. Is this some problem with UNIX versus mac line feeds?
> 
> Tonight
> I ftped a lot of TeXShop files to my web server - I think they went as binary
> I used Interarchy. Then I tested one on the UNIX machine the students

Why did they go as binary ?
You can use a menu option to alter the transfer mode in Interarchy to any of:
  1. text   2. binary   3. automatic  

With 3. it looks up a list of file types to help decide which to use.
Sometimes the defaults for some file-types can be wrong or missing.
e.g. it tries to send PDFs as text, but these should always be
sent using 'binary', else Acrobat Reader won't show anything.

> use - none of them will run as the spurious characters are
> still there.
 
I presume these TeXShop files are TeX sources; so these should always
be transferred as text.
I'd guess that Interarchy doesn't recognise them as 'TEXT' so chooses
to use 'binary', which will preserve Mac line-endings.
With 'text' the line-endings should get converted in the transfer.


> The only solution I could find was to cut  from the TeXShop file
> paste into BBEdit and then save that.  Then I ftped that onto
> the UNIX machine and it was fine.
> 
> Anyone got a better solution or an explanation of why this occurs ?

What happens if you force the ftp transfer to be 'text' ?


Cheers,

	Ross
 
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From hodas at cs.hmc.edu  Wed Jun 27 07:29:57 2001
From: hodas at cs.hmc.edu (Joshua S. Hodas)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 04:29:57 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop 1.1 & Prosper = Success ( = Prosperity???)
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<x-flowed>Hat's off to Richard Koch for the new version of TeXShop which, with its
new TeX + Ghostscript option, handles the Prosper macros (and, I 
suspect all sorts
of other PS based hacks) perfectly.

I am in heaven. While I must fondly thank Thomas Kiffe for CMacTeX which
got me through my Prosper needs on the road last week, this is a much
smoother, more TeXtures-like experience (not that textures could handle
prosper). Just click one button and all the requisite steps fire in sequence.

It also seems to be a good example of the strength of the underlying Berkeley
OS vs what you get by way of the finder.  My impression is that TeXshop is
launching all the apps as faceless unix apps, whereas CMaCTeX is launching
its Carbon ports of those apps (tex, dvips, ps2pdf). In CMacTeX there is
a 1 to 2 second pause (on my Titanium G4 500 with 512 MB of RAM) for each of
those to load and do its work. In TeXshop they all spin off instantaneously.
The time to do the whole process in TeXshop seems less than the first step in
CMaCTeX.

FInally, the pdf's generated by TeXshop exhibit none of the font problems I had
viewing in apples previewer when using CMaCTeX.


And lastly (does that come after finally?), I want to put in a plug 
for Prosper.
While it is not perfect, it does a remarkable job of giving me the look and
functionality of Powerpoint with the ease of LaTeX. (I know that sounds funny,
but with the amount of math I put on slides, LaTeX is FAR easier to use than
Powerpoint.) It seems by far the most sophisticated attempt in this direction
(as compared to seminar, texpower, etc.) You can find it at 
prosper.sourceforge.net.
And with the new TeXshop all you need to do is drop it in your local 
or personal
texmf tree and you are good to go.

Josh
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From wadams at atlis.com  Fri Jun 15 10:33:12 2001
From: wadams at atlis.com (William Adams)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:33:12 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] wish for TeXShop: rulers in preview
References: <a05101004b74efedeed00@[137.78.78.153]>	
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Troy asked:
> Do you recall the names of any of these ruler programs? 

SW (Stephen Wacker?) Ruler.app, RightBrain had one too, I think, not
sure if it's mentioned at www.rightbrain.com or no.

> a URL or two? 
> I'd like to see what NeXT has had.

I've got one installed on my Cube... I'll try to do up a page one it
next (thus far all I've gotten done is TouchType.app....)

http://members.aol.com/willadams/gnustep/apps/type/touchtype.html
(still need to integrate that link....)

also the font panel:
http://members.aol.com/willadams/gnustep/type/index.html

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From mikeyg at cerebro.cs.xu.edu  Wed Jun  6 11:25:16 2001
From: mikeyg at cerebro.cs.xu.edu (Michael Goldweber)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:25:16 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] The texmf tree
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<x-flowed>>Ross Moore's comments in digest 29 on setting up a local texmf tree were
>very useful. I set up a local texmf tree in my home directory,
>
>~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/misc/
>
>added my REVTeX style files and made the mods to the texmf.cnf files as
>Richard describes in his help file. I got the fonts working for the first time
>with the REVTeX package. Great!  Now, I tried to do the same thing
>with the BibTeX files. I put the apsrev.bst file in
>
>~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/bibtex/bst/

try
~/Library/texmf/bibtex/bst/

BibTeX is a separate package from TeX, while LaTeX is a subcomponent of TeX.

I would recommend that instead of putting the file in 
~/Library/texmf/bibtex/bst/
you place it in a directory inside this location.  (Use the package 
name the bst file derives from instead of placing everything in misc.)

>
>However, BibTeX did not see the bst file. BibTeX works fine if I 
>have the apsrev.bst file
>in the working directory. Do I also have to tell BibTeX to search 
>the local texmf tree
>or do I have the tree structure wrong ?

No, BibTeX does not need any special instructions if you follow the 
recommended TDS.

>
>It would be great to have more info on the tree structure. The files 
>I am working with are:

I suggest poking around on /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf to get a feel 
for how the TDS is organized.


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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Thu Jun 28 06:49:25 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 20:19:25 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeX + GhostScript option not working ??
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<x-flowed>Ok It works if I remove my .cshrc which says

setenv PATH "${PATH}:/usr/X11R6/bin:/Applications/OSXvnc.app/Contents/MacOS"
setenv MANPATH "${MANPATH}:/usr/X11R6/man:/usr/local/man"



anyone have any idea why this is ?


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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Thu Jun 21 00:45:29 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:15:29 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop takes out CMacTeX icons
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<x-flowed>>Twice now I have had a nasty crash printing from TeXShop. Could, of course,
>be something else on my machine. Its a G4, 400, 256 meg of RAM>. By nasty
>I mean it goes into a blue screen and restarts a bit like a logout, not
>a reboot. Second time it wouldn't come up so I had to reboot. When I
>did I found all the CMacTeX icons had reset to the generic icons.
>
>Two questions:
>
>(1) Has anyone else has a printing related TeXShop crash ?
>
>(2) How do I get the icons back ? In 9 I would rebuild the desktop
>but with X I'm a complete newbie. I tried running Disk First Aid but
>it found nothing.  Of course I can replace the CMacTeX apps
>from the net.  I also tried a reboot after the reboot after the
>crash - no good.
>

OK so the answer to the generic icons from my colleague Paul McCann
is

>The OSX equivalent of rebuilding the desktop (which is of course what you'd
>try for the OS9 equivalent of  what you've seen) is to trash the Launch
>Services databases. I'm told that this should be done from the console, so
>what you need to do is maybe:
>
>(1) logout
>(2) login as ">console" (with the > sign, without the quotes of course)
>(3) login in here as yourself, then
>(4) rm ~/Library/Preferences/LS*
>(5) logout and then login as per normal
>

The first time I logged back in it didn't  help. I logged out and
in again and it helped. Maybe you have to do something to make the
files rebuild like open something.

Michael
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From csmith at barebones.com  Mon Jun 11 22:01:27 2001
From: csmith at barebones.com (Christian Smith)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:01:27 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: MacOSX-TeX Digest #31 - 06/11/01
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On 6/11/01 at 9:31 PM, gray at engr.psu.edu (Gary L. Gray) wrote:

> On 6/11/2001 at 9:17 PM -0400, Christian Smith wrote:
> 
> >No, nor will it ever likely support syntax coloring. This is a feature
> >reserved for the full version of BBEdit.
> 
> I am glad that it is only in the full version -- I like getting 
> features for my money. :-)
> 
> I am very happy to see that someone from Bare Bones is reading this 
> list and I would like to see you comment on this idea of collapsible 
> outlines or sections in BBEdit. If I understand this correctly, it 
> would work much like sections work in Mathematica in which you can 
> collapse a section or subsection into just its heading by 
> double-clicking a appropriate cell bracket. Is this correct? If so, I 
> would love to see this in BBEdit (I would also love to see it work 
> with TeXShop, but that is another story).

We can't comment on future versions of BBEdit, sorry. I can say that
collapsible regions is something we've been asked for and which we may
consider for a future release. While I do read this list, if you really
want to see any specific feature in BBEdit you should send mail to
support at barebones.com. This way your request will be sure to be seen,
cataloged, folded, spindled, and otherwise dealt with as appropriate ;-) 

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<x-flowed>On Freitag, Juni 1, 2001, at 10:19  Uhr, Graham A. Niblo wrote:

> Could I add a wish for a preference setting in TeXShop that allows TeX 
> documents to be saved as bundles with the pdf and log files included in 
> the bundle, much as TeXtures  includes the dvi file in the resource 
> fork?

i like that idea :)

> Some kind of built in versioning control would be good too, maybe the 
> save dialogue could prompt to update the to include new versions 
> without deleting the old if required?

i do not think that you need to re-invent versioning for each 
application. for tex files which are in fact pure ascii text using cvs 
works great on OS X. one could think about integrating cvs somehow into 
TeXShop, but since you need at least rudimentary unix shell knowldge to 
set up your local cvs repository anyways, probably you could expect 
enough knowledge to do a "cvs commit" by hand once in a while.

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From david.firth at nuffield.oxford.ac.uk  Fri Jun 22 05:02:09 2001
From: david.firth at nuffield.oxford.ac.uk (David Firth)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:02:09 +0100
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] opening .tex files under OS X?
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<x-flowed>Thanks to all who replied on my question yesterday.

The solutions suggested were all "active" ones, in the sense that 
something has to be done to a file (or group of files) to make them 
open with a particular application.  I wasn't aware of the tools 
described by Christian Swinehart,

>There are two command line tools for reading and setting 
>Creator/Type codes that are included with the developer tools: 
>GetFileInfo and SetFile.
>
>For example if you wanted to set the file dissertation.tex to open 
>with BBEdit, type:
>      /Developer/Tools/SetFile -c "R*ch" -t "TEXT" dissertation.tex
where the "-c" and "-t" are the switches for creator and type respectively.

which could presumably be applied recursively to apply to all files 
in a folder or hierarchy of folders.  A more "Mac-like" alternative 
that I know of for doing the same job, and which works well, is 
FileTyper (http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~dazuma/filetyper/), and more 
specifically its "autotyper" facility which allows a folder to be 
dropped and all .tex files within it (and its children) to have their 
type and creator set appropriately.

But I had in mind (I'm ashamed to say) something more like the way 
Windows manages such things: ie, the OS maintains a register of 
filename extensions (such as .tex) and corresponding actions for use 
when they are double-clicked.  Then, if a colleague sends me a .tex 
file, it would just open with my preferred application without my 
having to do anything to it.

I suppose ways of managing such things will emerge as OS X matures...

David


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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Wed Jun 27 09:25:42 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:55:42 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeX + GhostScript option not working ??
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<x-flowed>>I'm not sure that would cure anything, but did you run texhash 
>(especially if you did some customization of your old teTeX)?
>
>Bruno Voisin
>


Good thought - thanks. But it didn't help. I should add that it stops before
it writes anything in the console.  It also doesn't write anything in the log
file.

By the way can you latex from the command line ? It doesn't work for
me but it used to before I did the upgrade to the new teTeX.
I was trying to altpdflatex from the command line to see if there
was a problem and there was (Fatal format file error .... ) but then
I discovered I couldn't do any form of latex from the command line -
always the same error.  Is this a feature or a bug :-)


Thanks - Michael

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From languasc at math.unipd.it  Sat Jun 16 12:20:43 2001
From: languasc at math.unipd.it (Alessandro Languasco)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:20:43 +0200
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] LyX-fink
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From wadams at atlis.com  Mon Jun 11 08:59:36 2001
From: wadams at atlis.com (William Adams)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:59:36 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: MacOSX-TeX Digest #30 - 06/06/01
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Jenny Harrison said:
> So here is an idea for a developer.  Take a .tex file and find some 
> way to collapse sections, chapters, and anything marked with \begin 
> and \end, such as the proof of a theorem. Double click on a section 
> and it collapses, leaving a marker.   Double click on the marker and 
> it opens up.  Move the marker and you move the whole section.  I 
> guess we need drag and drop, too.  Blue Sky, are you listening?

``folding'' editors are great---I'd like to see it done so as to be
flexible enough to allow for discrete sections to be separate files though....

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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Thu Jun 28 08:08:22 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:38:22 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] prosper
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<x-flowed>>  >
>>  There seem to be a lot of bugs in Acrobat 5.  E.g. clicking on a 
>>URL launches
>>  a browser but doesn't connect to the specified site.
>
>Has anyone else had the experience of it not keeping a browser history ?
>The back/forward arrows don't seem to work anymore.
>
>
>All the best,
>
>	Ross Moore
>

Hi Ross

Can you get transitions like Glitter  to work. They work in
Acrobat 4 under Classic but not in 5.

Michael

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From mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au  Thu Jun 21 10:55:16 2001
From: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Murray)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 00:25:16 +0930
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] opening .tex files under OS X?
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<x-flowed>>At 11:33 AM +0100 6/21/01, David Firth wrote:
>>Is there some simple way to tell OS X to open any double-clicked
>>file whose name is something.tex with a specified application (say
>>BBEdit, or TeXshop, or whatever)?
>
>
>File->Show Info->Application
>
>--
>
>   Jonathan E. Guyer
>   <http://www.his.com/jguyer/>
>

But this is setting it file by file unless I am missing the point. Is there
a way of telling it anything ending in .tex goes to TeXShop or BBEdit or
whatever ?  It seems to me that MacOSX does this sometimes with files
I download but I am not sure how you set it up.

I guess one could write an applescript to do this assuming that
particular command is applelscriptable.


Michael
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From gray at engr.psu.edu  Mon Jun 11 23:52:46 2001
From: gray at engr.psu.edu (Gary L. Gray)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:52:46 -0400
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop
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<x-flowed>On 6/11/2001 at 10:49 PM -0500, Zachary Davis wrote:

>Monday, 11 June 2001
>
>Dr. Murray,
>
>Upon following your instructions I again get the following error:
>
>[localhost:~] zdavis% pdflatex Untitled 3.tex
>This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1)
>! I can't find file `Untitled'.
><*> Untitled
>              3.tex
>Please type another input file name:

What if you don't have any spaces in the name? Uses dashes or underscores.
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From koch at math.uoregon.edu  Fri Jun  1 09:52:56 2001
From: koch at math.uoregon.edu (Richard Koch)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 06:52:56 -0700
Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
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<x-flowed>Folks,

On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 09:46 PM, Gary L. Gray wrote:

> I think the above statements are an important message to both Tom Kiffe 
> and Richard Koch. Many of us are not coming from TeX in the UNIX world, 
> we are coming from TeX in the Mac world with Textures. We need REALLY 
> detailed and complete instructions on how to do install and run things 
> under Mac OS X.

I agree.

Improved installation and teTeX instructions are coming. Our term ends in
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MacOSX-TeX Digest #25 - Friday, June 1, 2001

  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] How to install *.cls files for TeXShop?
          by "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
  CMacTeX 4.0
          by "Tom Kiffe" <tom at kiffe.com>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] wish list
          by "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] CMacTeX 4.0
          by "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
  Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
          by "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
          by "Zachary Davis" <zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
          by "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
          by "Warren Nagourney" <warren at dirac.phys.washington.edu>
  Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
          by "Barry Smith" <barry at bluesky.com>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
          by "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
          by "karim daho" <karim at telia.com>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] wish list
          by "Graham A. Niblo" <G.A.Niblo at maths.soton.ac.uk>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] wish list
          by "Martin Bauer" <martin.bauer at informatik.tu-muenchen.de>
  Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
          by "Timothy Larkin" <tsl1 at cornell.edu>
  TeXShop *.bib-file bug?
          by "Martin Bauer" <martin.bauer at informatik.tu-muenchen.de>
  Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
          by "Bruno Voisin" <Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] How to install *.cls files for TeXShop?
          by "laurens" <jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
          by "Richard Koch" <koch at math.uoregon.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
          by "karim" <karim at telia.com>
  [Mac OS X TeX] Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
          by "Jon Guyer" <jguyer at his.com>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] CMacTeX 4.0
          by "Jon Guyer" <jguyer at his.com>
  [Mac OS X TeX] Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
          by "Arthur Ogus" <ogus at math.berkeley.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
          by "karim daho" <karim at telia.com>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
          by "Martin Stokhof" <stokhof at hum.uva.nl>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] CMacTeX 4.0
          by "Paolo Ghirardato" <paolo at hss.caltech.edu>
  [Mac OS X TeX] Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an  editorial
          by "Paolo Ghirardato" <paolo at hss.caltech.edu>


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] How to install *.cls files for TeXShop?
From: "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:54:23 +0930

>I downloaded an AIAA (unofficial) LaTeX package 
><http://abftp.larc.nasa.gov/~kleb/aiaa/>.  I did a little detective 
>work and found out that I could set a variable, TEXINPUTS, to use 
>it's *.cls file.  Now, I did that and pdfLaTeX finds the file when 
>run from the command line.  When TeXShop runs pdfLaTeX, it doesn't 
>find it.  What to do?
>
>I set the variable in my .cshrc.  Clearly, my .cshrc file isn't 
>being run for TeXShop.
>
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Hi

Either

(i) have a look on the TeXShop web page at the very bottom.  There is 
a discussion  about how to setup a local texmf tree for your `own' 
inputs
files.  or

(ii) navigate into the system texmf tree and put the .cls
in whatever looks like the right place.  You'll need to sudo to root
to be able to do this. Then run `texhash' as root.  I think it should
work then.

If that doesn't work you have gone beyond my knowledge of UNIX (not hard
to do :-) )


MIchael

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Subject: CMacTeX 4.0
From: "Tom Kiffe" <tom at kiffe.com>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:52:09 -0500

Version 4.0 of CMacTeX for Mac OS X and OS 9 can be downloaded from the
CMacTeX Home Page at http://www.kiffe.com/cmactex.html. This release
supersedes the previous OS X beta release included with CMacTeX 3.7.

The new features of Version 4.0 include the following:

1) The full installation of CMacTeX gives you a basic TeX installation
that works in both OS 9 and OS X. The installation can be done in either
OS 9 or OS X, the only difference being the location of your Preferences
folder. The installation process has been greatly simplified.

2) If you already have teTeX installed on OS X you can download just one
file which contains all of the Carbon binaries and the support files
specific to CMacTeX. The teTeX texmf tree can be used with CMacTeX.
Version 4.0 fully supports alias folders so you can put CMacTeX on any
partition. (With the previous beta release CMacTeX had to be installed
on the root partition.)

3) CMacTeX integrates very well with the Carbon version of BBEdit and even
works with Alpha running in the Classic environment. (I hope a Carbon version
of Alpha appears soon.) Since CMacTeX can be run from the Terminal it should
be possible to configure emacs to call the CMacTeX programs.

4) You can use Acrobat, Acrobat Reader and the Preview application included
with OS X for viewing PDF files.

5) Currently CMacTeX contains the only native dvi previewer for OS X which 
does not require the installation of the X Window System. If a dvi file
has been prepared with the srcltx package, a click in a displayed page
will take you back to the editor and the editor will highlight the first
line of the selected paragraph. This feature currently works only with
BBEdit and Alpha because only these editors have the needed Apple Event
support.

6) Macintosh Postscript fonts can be used with CMacTeX's dvips and pdftex.
You do not have to convert your Lucida or MathTime Postscript fonts into 
pfb format.

CMacTeX is a GUI-based TeX system for OS 9 which has been converted to Carbon
in order to run natively on OS X. The OS X version of CMacTeX is intended for those users coming to OS X from OS 9 with limited Unix experience.

Most of the programs included with CMacTeX are based on the latest
source code and offer some features not available with the standard Unix 
programs. Dvips and pdftex can read Macintosh Postscript fonts. Pdftex allows
you to turn partial font embedding on and off with a single mouse click and
allows you to embed the 14 basic Postscript fonts. Most programs can read
text files containing either Macintosh or Unix end-of-line characters. You
don't need the X Window System just to view dvi and Postscript files.

Tom Kiffe


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] wish list
From: "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:57:11 -0400

andy said:
> On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 08:33 , Troy Goodson wrote:
> 
> > I'd be hard pressed to name a single NeXT app that's been ported to OS X.
> 
> OmniWeb
> Mail
> TextEdit
> ProjectBuilderWO
> all WO-development apps

The WO-Development thing is kind of a funky way to describe it.... weird
history and all.

Here're some others:

Create - www.stone.com
TIFFany - www.caffeinsoft.com, I think it is
pStill - www.stone.com
FreeHand - (this is kind of an odd one, by way of FreeHand v4 having
been based on Altsys Virtuoso 2.0, a NeXT app---the Carbonized FreeHand
loses out on Services and nifty Display PostScript type stuff though :(

More should be listed on Softrak at www.stepwise.com

William


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] CMacTeX 4.0
From: "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 23:18:34 -0400

On 5/31/2001 at 9:52 PM -0500, Tom Kiffe wrote:

>1) The full installation of CMacTeX gives you a basic TeX installation
>that works in both OS 9 and OS X. The installation can be done in either
>OS 9 or OS X, the only difference being the location of your Preferences
>folder. The installation process has been greatly simplified.

Let me begin by saying that this is fantastic! Now for some questions 
... see below.

>
>2) If you already have teTeX installed on OS X you can download just one
>file which contains all of the Carbon binaries and the support files
>specific to CMacTeX. The teTeX texmf tree can be used with CMacTeX.
>Version 4.0 fully supports alias folders so you can put CMacTeX on any
>partition. (With the previous beta release CMacTeX had to be installed
>on the root partition.)

If we installed teTeX obtained from the TeXShop web page, should we 
install the distribution (the archive texmflib.sit.bin???) found on 
your page (since it is probably a newer distribution)? If so, will 
the installer simply overwrite the TeXShop distribution or do we need 
to go through additional UNIX contortions?

>5) Currently CMacTeX contains the only native dvi previewer for OS X which
>does not require the installation of the X Window System. If a dvi file
>has been prepared with the srcltx package, a click in a displayed page
>will take you back to the editor and the editor will highlight the first
>line of the selected paragraph. This feature currently works only with
>BBEdit and Alpha because only these editors have the needed Apple Event
>support.

I assume that dvi files created with CMacTeX are of this type?

>
>6) Macintosh Postscript fonts can be used with CMacTeX's dvips and pdftex.
>You do not have to convert your Lucida or MathTime Postscript fonts into
>pfb format.

Are there instructions for how to do this in your documentation? In 
addition, does pdftex do 100% embedding of fonts in pdf documents? 
This seems to be very important for other people to be able to read 
my/your/anyone's pdf documents with everything showing up properly.

Thank you,
-- 
    Gary L. Gray
    Associate Professor
    Engineering Science & Mechanics
    Penn State University
    (814) 863-1778
    http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/

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Subject: Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
From: "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 23:54:11 -0400

On 5/31/2001 at 11:14 PM -0400, Bryan S. Morse wrote:

>And while we're at it: running under Classic doesn't cut it--a Carbonized
>version of Textures is needed!  I hate having to restart Textures because
>another Classic app crashes.

I apologize for posting to both lists since I know that many of you 
are on both, but I thought I should send this to everyone.

Here is my two cents and then some ...

I completely agree that a Carbonized version of Textures is needed. 
Blue Sky (i.e., Barry Smith) has stated:

At 3:19 PM -0700 4/1/2001, Barry Smith wrote:

>Yes, we do
>have plans to make Textures a native OS X application.  It will
>not, however, be something that will happen quickly, and we
>do not, as a rule, publicize schedule information about our product
>plans.  We are very pleased to find that Textures as it is apparently
>runs perfectly under the OS X Classic environment; Apple has
>corrected the system problem which caused printing difficulties,
>and we know of no problems with Textures and OS X at this time.
>
>Our plans for Textures and OS X are, as our users might expect,
>to do more than to just "Carbonize" the existing Textures application,
>more than to just "make it native" with no fundamental or feature
>changes.  We have the opportunity, and we plan to invest the effort,
>to completely re-implement Textures: to take what we have learned
>in the (yes) fifteen years of Textures' existence to simplify and enhance
>the user interface and the underlying organization and structures that
>make Textures what it is.  Textures for OS X will share little, if any,
>code from the current Textures, but will contain most of its concepts
>and all of our learning about TeX and its users.
>
>Recently we circulated a request for information from our users as
>to your expectations and desires for your moving to OS X, and we
>were extremely pleased with the response, which was voluminous
>and (nearly) unequivocal: Textures users are at the forefront and will
>be choosing to move to OS X, with deliberate speed and high expectations.
>
>We wish that we could say that Textures for OS X will be out "real
>soon now", but we, and you, know that that could not be the case,
>when you understand the scope of our plans for the native environment.
>We are naturally pleased and (of course :) not surprised that the current
>Textures runs well under the Classic environment, and we are surely
>confident that Textures will rarely (if ever) be the cause of Classic crashes.
>As the OS X platform makes it practical and desirable to support PDF
>as an illustration format, we will if it is feasible issue an interim
>Classic Textures which offers support for PDF illustrations.

I read this as "don't hold your breath waiting for a Mac OS X version 
of Textures". I am, as many others seem to be, very disappointed that 
we are all going to have to find other solutions. Tom Kiffe and 
Richard Koch et al. have come through with OS X solutions and it 
appears that people are going to switch and never look back. I am not 
interested in having to run something in Classic when a Mac OS X 
version is available. I, and my students, have been using both 
CMacTeX and TeXShop as we try and decide which will be our choice for 
Mac OS X. At last week's WWDC, Jobs said that surveys have 
overwhelmingly shown that people are more interested in native 
solutions than they are in brand loyalty --- it seems to me that Blue 
Sky should be very worried in light of this information. I have been 
told that Blue Sky is developing a Windows version of Textures. If 
this is true, then I think Blue Sky is making a terrible mistake. 
They are arriving pretty late to the Windows game and will have 
difficulty penetrating that market. This is on top of the fact that 
their loyal Mac customers are going to find other solutions rather 
than waiting to switch to Mac OS X. I know Blue Sky is a small 
company with limited resources, but it seems to me (and I am sure 
many of you will tell me if you think I am wrong) that they should be 
concentrating their efforts on their CURRENT loyal customer base 
rather than a NONEXISTENT FUTURE customer base that may never 
materialize.

I would love to hear what other people think (please mail to the list 
rather than to just me so that we can have a discussion on this 
matter). Maybe if there is a large enough cry, we can have three 
choices instead of two. :-)

Best regards,
-- 
    Gary L. Gray
    Associate Professor
    Engineering Science & Mechanics
    Penn State University
    (814) 863-1778
    http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
From: "Zachary Davis" <zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 23:40:08 -0500

Thursday, 31 May 2001


Dr. Gray,

I absolutely agree, I have recently turned to Textures to learn TeX as 
well as LaTeX, and have just this past semester become comfortable in 
writing TeX and LaTeX documents.  I would much prefer to use a native 
TeX/LaTeX setup, rather than Textures in Classic.  However, I am not 
sure what all the various programs that all of you are running to do 
your TeX/LaTeX writing are actually used for (i.e. TeX Shop, CMacTex, 
etc.)  I understand that an editor such as BBedit is required; though 
I've never used that before either.

Textures was convenient in that everything seemed bundled together as 
far as fonts, various packages, editor, etc.  I also really like the 
sychronizing feature of Textures, which allows the user to see the .dvi 
output file as you add to your input file.  If anyone has the time, to 
explain how I might set up my Ti Book to run TeX/LaTeX natively under OS 
X in a manner similar to what I have learned to expect in Textures, I 
would be much obliged.  It would be nice to know what TeX Engine I need, 
if there are any weird installation procedures, ease of use, editor of 
choice, additional fonts I need to install, any packages I need to run 
LaTeX, pdf viewers, and whether it is possible to see the output as I 
type.

I am saddened to see Blue Sky not carbonizing their software, as I 
believe Steve Jobs is correct in saying that early adopters are looking 
for native applications to run, not brand loyalty.  I just downloaded 
the new version of OmniWeb, and am thoroughly impressed.

Thanks,

Zach Davis
On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 10:54  PM, Gary L. Gray wrote:

> On 5/31/2001 at 11:14 PM -0400, Bryan S. Morse wrote:
>
>> And while we're at it: running under Classic doesn't cut it--a 
>> Carbonized
>> version of Textures is needed!  I hate having to restart Textures 
>> because
>> another Classic app crashes.
>
> I apologize for posting to both lists since I know that many of you are 
> on both, but I thought I should send this to everyone.
>
> Here is my two cents and then some ...
>
> I completely agree that a Carbonized version of Textures is needed. 
> Blue Sky (i.e., Barry Smith) has stated:
>
> At 3:19 PM -0700 4/1/2001, Barry Smith wrote:
>
>> Yes, we do
>> have plans to make Textures a native OS X application.  It will
>> not, however, be something that will happen quickly, and we
>> do not, as a rule, publicize schedule information about our product
>> plans.  We are very pleased to find that Textures as it is apparently
>> runs perfectly under the OS X Classic environment; Apple has
>> corrected the system problem which caused printing difficulties,
>> and we know of no problems with Textures and OS X at this time.
>>
>> Our plans for Textures and OS X are, as our users might expect,
>> to do more than to just "Carbonize" the existing Textures application,
>> more than to just "make it native" with no fundamental or feature
>> changes.  We have the opportunity, and we plan to invest the effort,
>> to completely re-implement Textures: to take what we have learned
>> in the (yes) fifteen years of Textures' existence to simplify and 
>> enhance
>> the user interface and the underlying organization and structures that
>> make Textures what it is.  Textures for OS X will share little, if any,
>> code from the current Textures, but will contain most of its concepts
>> and all of our learning about TeX and its users.
>>
>> Recently we circulated a request for information from our users as
>> to your expectations and desires for your moving to OS X, and we
>> were extremely pleased with the response, which was voluminous
>> and (nearly) unequivocal: Textures users are at the forefront and will
>> be choosing to move to OS X, with deliberate speed and high 
>> expectations.
>>
>> We wish that we could say that Textures for OS X will be out "real
>> soon now", but we, and you, know that that could not be the case,
>> when you understand the scope of our plans for the native environment.
>> We are naturally pleased and (of course :) not surprised that the 
>> current
>> Textures runs well under the Classic environment, and we are surely
>> confident that Textures will rarely (if ever) be the cause of Classic 
>> crashes.
>> As the OS X platform makes it practical and desirable to support PDF
>> as an illustration format, we will if it is feasible issue an interim
>> Classic Textures which offers support for PDF illustrations.
>
> I read this as "don't hold your breath waiting for a Mac OS X version 
> of Textures". I am, as many others seem to be, very disappointed that 
> we are all going to have to find other solutions. Tom Kiffe and Richard 
> Koch et al. have come through with OS X solutions and it appears that 
> people are going to switch and never look back. I am not interested in 
> having to run something in Classic when a Mac OS X version is 
> available. I, and my students, have been using both CMacTeX and TeXShop 
> as we try and decide which will be our choice for Mac OS X. At last 
> week's WWDC, Jobs said that surveys have overwhelmingly shown that 
> people are more interested in native solutions than they are in brand 
> loyalty --- it seems to me that Blue Sky should be very worried in 
> light of this information. I have been told that Blue Sky is developing 
> a Windows version of Textures. If this is true, then I think Blue Sky 
> is making a terrible mistake. They are arriving pretty late to the 
> Windows game and will have difficulty penetrating that market. This is 
> on top of the fact that their loyal Mac customers are going to find 
> other solutions rather than waiting to switch to Mac OS X. I know Blue 
> Sky is a small company with limited resources, but it seems to me (and 
> I am sure many of you will tell me if you think I am wrong) that they 
> should be concentrating their efforts on their CURRENT loyal customer 
> base rather than a NONEXISTENT FUTURE customer base that may never 
> materialize.
>
> I would love to hear what other people think (please mail to the list 
> rather than to just me so that we can have a discussion on this 
> matter). Maybe if there is a large enough cry, we can have three 
> choices instead of two. :-)
>
> Best regards,
> --    Gary L. Gray
>    Associate Professor
>    Engineering Science & Mechanics
>    Penn State University
>    (814) 863-1778
>    http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
From: "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 00:46:28 -0400

On 5/31/2001 at 11:40 PM -0500, Zachary Davis wrote:

>I absolutely agree, I have recently turned to Textures to learn TeX 
>as well as LaTeX, and have just this past semester become 
>comfortable in writing TeX and LaTeX documents.  I would much prefer 
>to use a native TeX/LaTeX setup, rather than Textures in Classic. 
>However, I am not sure what all the various programs that all of you 
>are running to do your TeX/LaTeX writing are actually used for (i.e. 
>TeX Shop, CMacTex, etc.)  I understand that an editor such as BBedit 
>is required; though I've never used that before either.
>
>Textures was convenient in that everything seemed bundled together 
>as far as fonts, various packages, editor, etc.  I also really like 
>the sychronizing feature of Textures, which allows the user to see 
>the .dvi output file as you add to your input file.  If anyone has 
>the time, to explain how I might set up my Ti Book to run TeX/LaTeX 
>natively under OS X in a manner similar to what I have learned to 
>expect in Textures, I would be much obliged.  It would be nice to 
>know what TeX Engine I need, if there are any weird installation 
>procedures, ease of use, editor of choice, additional fonts I need 
>to install, any packages I need to run LaTeX, pdf viewers, and 
>whether it is possible to see the output as I type.

I think the above statements are an important message to both Tom 
Kiffe and Richard Koch. Many of us are not coming from TeX in the 
UNIX world, we are coming from TeX in the Mac world with Textures. We 
need REALLY detailed and complete instructions on how to do install 
and run things under Mac OS X. This is especially true for fonts and 
associated files. We need to know where to put the fonts, what config 
files need messing with, etc.

Best regards,

-- 
    Gary L. Gray
    Associate Professor
    Engineering Science & Mechanics
    Penn State University
    (814) 863-1778
    http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
From: "Warren Nagourney" <warren at dirac.phys.washington.edu>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:18:56 -0700

I would like to echo Gary's sentiments - I wholeheartedly agree with him 
and am very very disappointed in Barry's decision regarding the future 
direction of Blue Sky. I have purchased every version of TeXtures since it 
first came out and must have invested several thousand dollars in this 
product. I am stunned by the egregious lack of reciprocal loyalty shown by 
this company. I read one of the early letters by (I believe) Barry on the 
subject, where he states that TeXtures runs perfectly well in Classic and 
gives the impression that this is its future, so far as Blue Sky is 
concerned. He further mentioned Apple's change of position regarding the 
use of display postscript and Yellow Box for windows, indicating that this 
"disloyalty" on Apple's part justifies the dismissal of OS X as a future 
for TeXtures. I needn't state my reaction to this position - from what I 
have written above, it should be obvious.

I agree that Blue Sky's venture into the windows market will be almost 
certainly a complete disaster - I happen to know that Barry is getting a 
lot of correspondence on this subject and won't beat a dead horse. I mourn 
the loss of a great product and am glad this list exists to explore other 
avenues for Mac TeX users.

I fear that we are wasting our time in attempting to exhort Blue Sky to 
change its direction - the Carbon strategy has been out for more than 2 
years and a company which has just begun to explore OS X avenues (and is 
trying to enter the wintel market) has extremely little likelihood of 
listening to us. Our best efforts should be probably be spent on improving 
the alternatives (as we are doing).

Warren Nagourney

--On Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:54 PM -0400 "Gary L. Gray" 
<gray at engr.psu.edu> wrote:

> On 5/31/2001 at 11:14 PM -0400, Bryan S. Morse wrote:
>
>> And while we're at it: running under Classic doesn't cut it--a Carbonized
>> version of Textures is needed!  I hate having to restart Textures because
>> another Classic app crashes.
>
> I apologize for posting to both lists since I know that many of you
> are on both, but I thought I should send this to everyone.
>
> Here is my two cents and then some ...
>
> I completely agree that a Carbonized version of Textures is needed.
> Blue Sky (i.e., Barry Smith) has stated:
>
> At 3:19 PM -0700 4/1/2001, Barry Smith wrote:
>
>> Yes, we do
>> have plans to make Textures a native OS X application.  It will
>> not, however, be something that will happen quickly, and we
>> do not, as a rule, publicize schedule information about our product
>> plans.  We are very pleased to find that Textures as it is apparently
>> runs perfectly under the OS X Classic environment; Apple has
>> corrected the system problem which caused printing difficulties,
>> and we know of no problems with Textures and OS X at this time.
>>
>> Our plans for Textures and OS X are, as our users might expect,
>> to do more than to just "Carbonize" the existing Textures application,
>> more than to just "make it native" with no fundamental or feature
>> changes.  We have the opportunity, and we plan to invest the effort,
>> to completely re-implement Textures: to take what we have learned
>> in the (yes) fifteen years of Textures' existence to simplify and enhance
>> the user interface and the underlying organization and structures that
>> make Textures what it is.  Textures for OS X will share little, if any,
>> code from the current Textures, but will contain most of its concepts
>> and all of our learning about TeX and its users.
>>
>> Recently we circulated a request for information from our users as
>> to your expectations and desires for your moving to OS X, and we
>> were extremely pleased with the response, which was voluminous
>> and (nearly) unequivocal: Textures users are at the forefront and will
>> be choosing to move to OS X, with deliberate speed and high expectations.
>>
>> We wish that we could say that Textures for OS X will be out "real
>> soon now", but we, and you, know that that could not be the case,
>> when you understand the scope of our plans for the native environment.
>> We are naturally pleased and (of course :) not surprised that the current
>> Textures runs well under the Classic environment, and we are surely
>> confident that Textures will rarely (if ever) be the cause of Classic
>> crashes. As the OS X platform makes it practical and desirable to
>> support PDF as an illustration format, we will if it is feasible issue
>> an interim Classic Textures which offers support for PDF illustrations.
>
> I read this as "don't hold your breath waiting for a Mac OS X version
> of Textures". I am, as many others seem to be, very disappointed that
> we are all going to have to find other solutions. Tom Kiffe and
> Richard Koch et al. have come through with OS X solutions and it
> appears that people are going to switch and never look back. I am not
> interested in having to run something in Classic when a Mac OS X
> version is available. I, and my students, have been using both
> CMacTeX and TeXShop as we try and decide which will be our choice for
> Mac OS X. At last week's WWDC, Jobs said that surveys have
> overwhelmingly shown that people are more interested in native
> solutions than they are in brand loyalty --- it seems to me that Blue
> Sky should be very worried in light of this information. I have been
> told that Blue Sky is developing a Windows version of Textures. If
> this is true, then I think Blue Sky is making a terrible mistake.
> They are arriving pretty late to the Windows game and will have
> difficulty penetrating that market. This is on top of the fact that
> their loyal Mac customers are going to find other solutions rather
> than waiting to switch to Mac OS X. I know Blue Sky is a small
> company with limited resources, but it seems to me (and I am sure
> many of you will tell me if you think I am wrong) that they should be
> concentrating their efforts on their CURRENT loyal customer base
> rather than a NONEXISTENT FUTURE customer base that may never
> materialize.
>
> I would love to hear what other people think (please mail to the list
> rather than to just me so that we can have a discussion on this
> matter). Maybe if there is a large enough cry, we can have three
> choices instead of two. :-)
>
> Best regards,
> --
>     Gary L. Gray
>     Associate Professor
>     Engineering Science & Mechanics
>     Penn State University
>     (814) 863-1778
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Subject: Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
From: "Barry Smith" <barry at bluesky.com>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 23:18:54 -0700



"Gary L. Gray" wrote:
> 
> Here is my two cents and then some ...
> 
> I completely agree that a Carbonized version of Textures is needed.
>

> > We wish that we could say that Textures for OS X will be out "real
> > soon now", but we, and you, know that that could not be the case,
> > when you understand the scope of our plans for the native environment.

> I read this as "don't hold your breath waiting for a Mac OS X version
> of Textures".

This is a correct, and honest, understanding of my expressed position,
considering that our plans have been to offer "something more than Textures"
as it is now.  We can't, and don't, expect even our loyal customers to
wait around twiddling their collective thumbs while waiting for our next
product. If you need a native OS X TeX today, it cannot come from Blue Sky Research.

We do, however, make a concerted effort to listen to our customers.
It was my expectation and understanding that a "pure Carbon" version
of Textures would be of little interest or import to our customers --
I am perfectly willing to be corrected on this understanding, if indeed
our current customers wish us to understand something else.

(I note, with a smile, and with about thirty years of experience in the
software business, that our customers are quite naturally willing to
be "optimistic" about the development efforts required to do that which
-appears- not to be difficult -- such is definitely true of a Carbon Textures.
I note, also, that our development resources are very finite, so we attempt
to employ them intelligently.  If our customers indicate to us, quantitatively,
that a Carbon Textures "as is", perhaps even -missing- current features, is of
high importance AND high value to them, we most assuredly are listening.)

> I am, as many others seem to be, very disappointed that
> we are all going to have to find other solutions. Tom Kiffe and
> Richard Koch et al. have come through with OS X solutions and it
> appears that people are going to switch and never look back. I am not
> interested in having to run something in Classic when a Mac OS X
> version is available. I, and my students, have been using both
> CMacTeX and TeXShop as we try and decide which will be our choice for
> Mac OS X. At last week's WWDC, Jobs said that surveys have
> overwhelmingly shown that people are more interested in native
> solutions than they are in brand loyalty --- it seems to me that Blue
> Sky should be very worried in light of this information.

I understand that Mr. Jobs was also informed most directly by the developers
that Apple has been shortsighted in not making available more robust and
more efficient development tools. :)

> I have been
> told that Blue Sky is developing a Windows version of Textures. If
> this is true, then I think Blue Sky is making a terrible mistake.
> They are arriving pretty late to the Windows game and will have
> difficulty penetrating that market. This is on top of the fact that
> their loyal Mac customers are going to find other solutions rather
> than waiting to switch to Mac OS X. I know Blue Sky is a small
> company with limited resources, but it seems to me (and I am sure
> many of you will tell me if you think I am wrong) that they should be
> concentrating their efforts on their CURRENT loyal customer base
> rather than a NONEXISTENT FUTURE customer base that may never
> materialize.

Gary, I think our president will have some words to say about your
market analysis.  Permit me to say that, while I understand your position,
it could (if true) apply perhaps even more forcefully to our developments
relating Quark XPress and TeX.  Our -existing- customers, we have found,
are almost completely not only not Quark users but are unaware that it exists.
(I would have guessed less than 5% overlap; it seems actually to be less than
0.1 percent!)

> I would love to hear what other people think (please mail to the list
> rather than to just me so that we can have a discussion on this
> matter). Maybe if there is a large enough cry, we can have three
> choices instead of two. :-)

I agree.  If it is clearly expressed that our loyal customers would have
a strong preference for a Carbon Textures ASAP, understanding that it would
surely not have new features and would in the interests of time most likely
in fact be -missing- some current features, this is a message that we would
be perfectly willing to hear.

"You'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."  :)


Best regards,

Barry Smith

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
From: "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:11:24 +0930

>Thursday, 31 May 2001
>



>   If anyone has the time, to explain how I might set up my Ti Book 
>to run TeX/LaTeX natively under OS X in a manner similar to what I 
>have learned to expect in Textures, I would be much obliged.  It 
>would be nice to know what TeX Engine I need, if there are any weird 
>installation procedures, ease of use, editor of choice, additional 
>fonts I need to install, any packages I need to run LaTeX, pdf 
>viewers, and whether it is possible to see the output as I type.
>




>Zach Davis
>On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 10:54  PM, Gary L. Gray wrote:
>

Dear Zach,

I have never used Textures although my wife has it and thereby I have 
some experience being the family mac expert.
But I have been a long time user of OzTeX and Alpha.   Neither are 
carbonised yet so I have been experimenting
with both TeXShop and CMacTeX.  If you want a straightforward setup, 
with a minimalist editor,  I'd go
for TeXShop.

Catches are:

(*) No synchronicity (never tested this myself in textures - my wife 
never bought the upgrade)

(*) No live texing as you type - you have to typset - its pretty fast.

(*) Because it is pdflatex or pdftex it doesn't let you include
postscript graphics.    You need to convert them with something to 
pdf. The simplest thing is Tom Kiffes MacGhostView
which has a little ps2pdf script you can drag and drop onto.

(*) There are instructions on the TeXShop page about
setting it up.  It does need a little command line work in Terminal. 
I have a feeling this is going to be a
feature of OSX!  If you are working in a University environment like 
I am a little UNIX knowledge is I think
a worthwhile investment and UNIX is very prevalent.  For some time 
mine knowledge has been:

(1) Knowing how to get in and out of a document and edit and replace in vi.

(2) Knowing how see invisible files with ls -a

(3) Knowing how to look up processes with ps -xu and to kill them

(4) Knowing how to use rm, cp, mv and to a lesser exent gzip and tar. 
I have no idea what all the options
on this commands mean I just use them!

(5) Knowing how look something up on a man page.


Since getting  OSX and hence having root privileges I know how to

(6) Sudo (very carefully :-) )

If you want to do more complicated things and don't mind a bit more 
complicated setup get
CMacTeX.

Actually I would   get  both as they are both cheap and can share 
files.  You are going to
need MacGhostView anyway if you even want to include a ps file in 
your pdflatex.

Michael

PS [OFF-TOPIC] Isn't the TiBook wonderful :-)
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
From: "karim daho" <karim at telia.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:19:15 +0200

I absolutely agree and hope that Tom Kiffe and Richard Koch are reading  
this and thanks them for the wonderfull work they are doing.
On fredag, juni 1, 2001, at 06:46 , Gary L. Gray wrote:

> On 5/31/2001 at 11:40 PM -0500, Zachary Davis wrote:
>
>> I absolutely agree, I have recently turned to Textures to learn TeX as 
>> well as LaTeX, and have just this past semester become comfortable in 
>> writing TeX and LaTeX documents.  I would much prefer to use a native 
>> TeX/LaTeX setup, rather than Textures in Classic. However, I am not 
>> sure what all the various programs that all of you are running to do 
>> your TeX/LaTeX writing are actually used for (i.e. TeX Shop, CMacTex, 
>> etc.)  I understand that an editor such as BBedit is required; though 
>> I've never used that before either.
>>
>> Textures was convenient in that everything seemed bundled together as 
>> far as fonts, various packages, editor, etc.  I also really like the 
>> sychronizing feature of Textures, which allows the user to see the 
>> .dvi output file as you add to your input file.  If anyone has the 
>> time, to explain how I might set up my Ti Book to run TeX/LaTeX 
>> natively under OS X in a manner similar to what I have learned to 
>> expect in Textures, I would be much obliged.  It would be nice to know 
>> what TeX Engine I need, if there are any weird installation 
>> procedures, ease of use, editor of choice, additional fonts I need to 
>> install, any packages I need to run LaTeX, pdf viewers, and whether it 
>> is possible to see the output as I type.
>
> I think the above statements are an important message to both Tom Kiffe 
> and Richard Koch. Many of us are not coming from TeX in the UNIX world, 
> we are coming from TeX in the Mac world with Textures. We need REALLY 
> detailed and complete instructions on how to do install and run things 
> under Mac OS X. This is especially true for fonts and associated files. 
> We need to know where to put the fonts, what config files need messing 
> with, etc.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --    Gary L. Gray
>    Associate Professor
>    Engineering Science & Mechanics
>    Penn State University
>    (814) 863-1778
>    http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] wish list
From: "Graham A. Niblo" <G.A.Niblo at maths.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:19:42 +0100

Could I add a wish for a preference setting in TeXShop that allows TeX 
documents to be saved as bundles with the pdf and log files included in 
the bundle, much as TeXtures  includes the dvi file in the resource 
fork? That together with a save as command to allow the files to be 
saved separately would allow for cross platform compatibility, but keep 
all the associated files together. The proliferation of files in my 
documents folder is getting out of hand. Some kind of built in 
versioning control would be good too, maybe the save dialogue could 
prompt to update the to include new versions without deleting the old if 
required?

Great program, great mailing list.

Graham Niblo.

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] wish list
From: "Martin Bauer" <martin.bauer at informatik.tu-muenchen.de>
Date:	Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:16:21 +0200

On Freitag, Juni 1, 2001, at 10:19  Uhr, Graham A. Niblo wrote:

> Could I add a wish for a preference setting in TeXShop that allows TeX 
> documents to be saved as bundles with the pdf and log files included in 
> the bundle, much as TeXtures  includes the dvi file in the resource 
> fork?

i like that idea :)

> Some kind of built in versioning control would be good too, maybe the 
> save dialogue could prompt to update the to include new versions 
> without deleting the old if required?

i do not think that you need to re-invent versioning for each 
application. for tex files which are in fact pure ascii text using cvs 
works great on OS X. one could think about integrating cvs somehow into 
TeXShop, but since you need at least rudimentary unix shell knowldge to 
set up your local cvs repository anyways, probably you could expect 
enough knowledge to do a "cvs commit" by hand once in a while.

--
shalom, martin

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Subject: Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
From: "Timothy Larkin" <tsl1 at cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:32:00 -0400


On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 11:54 , Gary L. Gray wrote:

>
> I read this as "don't hold your breath waiting for a Mac OS X version 
> of Textures".

As I understand it, BlueSky has said there won't be a _Carbon_ version 
of Textures. This does not mean no Textures for X. It means (to me) that 
BS has made the reasonable decision not to produce an interim Carbon 
solution, but to go directly to Cocoa, and create a product that is even 
better than Textures. If this is the case, then I can live for a while 
with the suboptimal solution of using Textures in the Classic 
environment.

No doubt someone will enlighten me if I am mistaken.

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Subject: TeXShop *.bib-file bug?
From: "Martin Bauer" <martin.bauer at informatik.tu-muenchen.de>
Date:	Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:06:45 +0200

i am actually not sure if this is a bug or if it is my own fault that 
its not working:

here's the scenario:
i open a *.bib file, do some changes there.
the red button gets correctly the "dirty" mark, but "File > Save" does 
not work (is disabled)
nevertheless, when i close the window, i get the dialog asking me if i 
want to save the changes, i press "Yes" and the changes are in fact 
saved.

this behaviour is reproducible on my system with any *.bib file i tried.

can somebody confirm or disprove this for me?

thanks.
martin.

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Subject: Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
From: "Bruno Voisin" <Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:55:21 +0200

Ten years ago I started using TeX, with Textures on a Mac. I have always 
liked the integration, simplicity, robustness and elegance of its 
interface. To be honest, it also paved the way for all subsequent TeX 
implementations on the Mac. I never used extensively the sophisticated 
features like Flash Mode or Synchronicity, which either require fast 
machines (for the first) or create big files (for the second); so I 
could easily live without them.

Over the years I got to use OzTeX in parallel (and DirectTeX too, for 
some time), as soon as I started to collaborate with colleagues:  
unfortunately ;-), my colleagues generally work under UNIX/Linux or 
Windows. OzTeX is easy to customize (so you can install LaTeX packages 
and PS or MF fonts without fuss) and it includes most relevant UNIX 
utilities - and it's also robust, bug-free, with a nice interface. And I 
learnt a lot from the OzTeX manual at a time when information about 
fonts etc. was difficult to find for a standard mortal (not a computer 
scientist).

Anyhow I always stuck to Textures' editor, since (i) BBEdit has no real 
TeX interface (just syntax coloring) and Soft Wrap seems incompatible 
with TeX, and (ii) Alpha just crashes all the time, is unfriendly to 
non-US keyboards and has no decent manual.

Now come Mac OS X and TeXShop. TeXShop has the integration, simplicity, 
robustness and elegance I like so much in Textures, and the use of the 
teTeX tree is a blessing: now I can collaborate with my UNIX colleagues 
within and outside my lab with no additional work.

Also, after a couple of months living with Mac OS X I would do anything 
rather than launching Classic (well, for Mathematica I still do, but 
that's the only case): at last I can get rid of extensions, which were 
just conflicting with one another all the time, there are very few 
system crashes, the memory management is transparent, and the interface 
is so much nicer.

So yes, please, let there be an OS X Textures as soon as possible. Yes, 
Cocoa is better than Carbon, but only insofar as it comes soon enough: I 
guess most people, like me, will be using an OS X TeX (either TeXShop or 
CMacTeX) until an OS X Textures - if any - is born, and the longer they 
do so the less tempting it will be to switch back to Textures.

Bruno Voisin

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] How to install *.cls files for TeXShop?
From: "laurens" <jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:18:49 +0200

>I downloaded an AIAA (unofficial) LaTeX package
><http://abftp.larc.nasa.gov/~kleb/aiaa/>.  I did a little detective
>work and found out that I could set a variable, TEXINPUTS, to use
>it's *.cls file.  Now, I did that and pdfLaTeX finds the file when
>run from the command line.  When TeXShop runs pdfLaTeX, it doesn't
>find it.  What to do?
>
>I set the variable in my .cshrc.  Clearly, my .cshrc file isn't being
>run for TeXShop.


TeXshop does not launch its tex jobs through a terminal and does not read for
environment variables. It would be difficult to do such things because people
may use different shells (sh, csh, bash...) and the variables may differ.

You should put your extra classes in the right location of your texmf
ditribution,
anyone but me expert in tetex will answer you.


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
From: "Richard Koch" <koch at math.uoregon.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 06:52:56 -0700

Folks,

On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 09:46 PM, Gary L. Gray wrote:

> I think the above statements are an important message to both Tom Kiffe 
> and Richard Koch. Many of us are not coming from TeX in the UNIX world, 
> we are coming from TeX in the Mac world with Textures. We need REALLY 
> detailed and complete instructions on how to do install and run things 
> under Mac OS X.

I agree.

Improved installation and teTeX instructions are coming. Our term ends in
two weeks; hold on.

Dick
koch at math.uoregon.edu

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
From: "karim" <karim at telia.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:55:12 +0200

 We will wait---
Karim
On 01-06-01 15.52, "Richard Koch" <koch at math.uoregon.edu> wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 09:46 PM, Gary L. Gray wrote:
> 
>> I think the above statements are an important message to both Tom Kiffe
>> and Richard Koch. Many of us are not coming from TeX in the UNIX world,
>> we are coming from TeX in the Mac world with Textures. We need REALLY
>> detailed and complete instructions on how to do install and run things
>> under Mac OS X.
> 
> I agree.
> 
> Improved installation and teTeX instructions are coming. Our term ends in
> two weeks; hold on.
> 
> Dick
> koch at math.uoregon.edu
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Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
From: "Jon Guyer" <jguyer at his.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:52:29 -0400

At 7:32 AM -0400 6/1/01, Timothy Larkin wrote:
>If this is the case, then
>I can live for a while with the suboptimal solution of using
>Textures in the Classic environment.

Please let us know how the breath-holding goes. Gary didn't say 
never, he said not soon... and Barry agreed with that 
characterization.

-- 

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] CMacTeX 4.0
From: "Jon Guyer" <jguyer at his.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:01:51 -0400

At 9:52 PM -0500 5/31/01, Tom Kiffe wrote:

>(I hope a Carbon version of Alpha appears soon.)

So do we, but we're still working on it.

-- 

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   <http://www.his.com/jguyer/>

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Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
From: "Arthur Ogus" <ogus at math.berkeley.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:09:13 -0700

My understanding is that Blue Sky is still trying to evaluate the 
cost of and the market for its various options.  Communicate with 
them and try to tell them what you want.
-- 
Arthur Ogus

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
From: "karim daho" <karim at telia.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:13:23 +0200

We want Textures to work on MacOSX
On fredag, juni 1, 2001, at 10:09 , Arthur Ogus wrote:

> My understanding is that Blue Sky is still trying to evaluate the cost 
> of and the market for its various options.  Communicate with them and 
> try to tell them what you want.
> -- Arthur Ogus
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an editorial
From: "Martin Stokhof" <stokhof at hum.uva.nl>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 23:18:52 +0200

I think my feelings on this issue are more or less in agreement with the 
majority of the opinions I've read so far.  But since Gary Gray asked 
people to respond I'll state them anyway.
I've been using Textures since I don't know how long (before postscript 
CM fonts anyway). But I want to (and soon will need to) make the switch 
to OS X. So I've downloaded TeXShop and CMacTeX and starting using them.
I really appreciate the efforts that Richard Koch and Tom Kiffe and 
others have put into these applications, and I am grateful to them for 
making the results freely available. But I must admit that I miss the 
compactness and robustness of Textures. And I especially miss 
synchronicity.  I for one would be willing to pay for a carbonized 
version ofTextures, but not if synchronicity were dropped.
But such a carbonized version of Textures should not take too long to 
become available. Running Textures in Classic is akward  and given my 
set up is not really an option anyway. So I guess it might not take that 
long before I learn to accept life (well, work ;-) without synchronicity 
and make the switch to TeXShop and/or CMacTeX.

Martin Stokhof

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] CMacTeX 4.0
From: "Paolo Ghirardato" <paolo at hss.caltech.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:32:38 -0700

>Version 4.0 of CMacTeX for Mac OS X and OS 9 can be downloaded from the
>CMacTeX Home Page at http://www.kiffe.com/cmactex.html. This release
>supersedes the previous OS X beta release included with CMacTeX 3.7.

A stupid question --- but possibly a problem that some other inept 
people like me could face.

I downloaded all the CMacTeX package and installed it according to 
instructions (I already had teTeX and TeXShop installed). It seems to 
be working fine, with one exception: Macdvi does not render some 
fonts correctly in the previewer window. I imagine that this is 
because it is not finding the fonts where it's expecting them.
Any suggestion as to how to fix this? (Notice that I have also 
Textures installed, and its previewer has no problems.)

Also a more trivial question: Why not use OS X's Preview as a pdf 
previewer with CMacTeX? I tried setting it as the pdf previewer of 
choice, but when I used CMacTeX to do pdflatex, it opened a dialogue 
asking to choose an application to do preview with.

paolo

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Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: [Textures] Textures and Mac OS X - an  editorial
From: "Paolo Ghirardato" <paolo at hss.caltech.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:36:31 -0700

>Martin Stokhof wrote:

>I've been using Textures since I don't know how long (before 
>postscript CM fonts anyway). But I want to (and soon will need to) 
>make the switch to OS X. So I've downloaded TeXShop and CMacTeX and 
>starting using them.
>I really appreciate the efforts that Richard Koch and Tom Kiffe and 
>others have put into these applications, and I am grateful to them 
>for making the results freely available. But I must admit that I 
>miss the compactness and robustness of Textures. And I especially 
>miss synchronicity.  I for one would be willing to pay for a 
>carbonized version ofTextures, but not if synchronicity were dropped.
>But such a carbonized version of Textures should not take too long 
>to become available. Running Textures in Classic is akward  and 
>given my set up is not really an option anyway. So I guess it might 
>not take that long before I learn to accept life (well, work ;-) 
>without synchronicity and make the switch to TeXShop and/or CMacTeX.

I fully agree with Martin's opinion. A carbonized version of Textures 
soon would be certainly most welcome, but not if the cost is losing 
synchronicity, which is what I miss the most of Textures. (I 
certainly don't miss the editor -- sorry Barry!)
paolo

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  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] CMacTeX 4.0
          by "Tom Kiffe" <tom at kiffe.com>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] CMacTeX 4.0
          by "Tom Kiffe" <tom at kiffe.com>


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] CMacTeX 4.0
From: "Tom Kiffe" <tom at kiffe.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:59:40 -0500

>
>I downloaded all the CMacTeX package and installed it according to instructions (I already had teTeX and TeXShop installed). It seems to be working fine, with one exception: Macdvi does not render some fonts correctly in the previewer window. I imagine that this is because it is not finding the fonts where it's expecting them.
>Any suggestion as to how to fix this? (Notice that I have also Textures installed, and its previewer has no problems.)

On OS X you can't preview dvi files with Macintosh Postscript fonts since
there is no ATM for OS X. For correct viewing you must use pk (bitmap) fonts.
Make sure the the "Make pk fonts" item under macdvi's Options menu is turned on.
Macdvi should call maketexpk to generate missing pk fonts, provided you have the
metafont sources for the fonts you need. Without knowing exactly which fonts
are not displaying correctly I can't be more explicit.

>
>Also a more trivial question: Why not use OS X's Preview as a pdf previewer with CMacTeX? I tried setting it as the pdf previewer of choice, but when I used CMacTeX to do pdflatex, it opened a dialogue asking to choose an application to do preview with.

I had to add special code to CMacTeX to make it work with Apple's Preview. This
code was added to the routine which is called when you select "View pdf" from
CMacTeX's File Menu. I forgot to add the code to the routine which is called if
you had turned on "Auto switch to previewer" in the Options Menu. I have fixed
this problem and you can download the patched CMacTeX program at
http://www.kiffe.com/tex/programs/cmactex401.sit.bin (170K). Let me know if
this patch doesn't solve the problem.

You must first use the "Set apps" item under the Options Menu to set Preview
as the pdf viewer. Be sure to click the "OK" button when you are finished. If
foo.pdf is displayed in either Reader 5.0 or Preview you must close the window
displaying foo.pdf before you try to run pdftex on foo.tex. I would like to
have CMacTeX tell the pdf viewer to close foo.pdf before it runs pdftex on foo.tex
but neither Preview nor Acrobat Reader accept an apple event for closing a file.
The full Acrobat 4 did accept such an event; I haven't tested Acrobat 5 yet.

Tom Kiffe

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] CMacTeX 4.0
From: "Tom Kiffe" <tom at kiffe.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 23:40:31 -0500

>On 5/31/2001 at 9:52 PM -0500, Tom Kiffe wrote:
>
>>1) The full installation of CMacTeX gives you a basic TeX installation
>>that works in both OS 9 and OS X. The installation can be done in either
>>OS 9 or OS X, the only difference being the location of your Preferences
>>folder. The installation process has been greatly simplified.
>
>Let me begin by saying that this is fantastic! Now for some questions ... see below.
>
>>
>>2) If you already have teTeX installed on OS X you can download just one
>>file which contains all of the Carbon binaries and the support files
>>specific to CMacTeX. The teTeX texmf tree can be used with CMacTeX.
>>Version 4.0 fully supports alias folders so you can put CMacTeX on any
>>partition. (With the previous beta release CMacTeX had to be installed
>>on the root partition.)
>
>If we installed teTeX obtained from the TeXShop web page, should we install the distribution (the archive texmflib.sit.bin???) found on your page (since it is probably a newer distribution)? If so, will the installer simply overwrite the TeXShop distribution or do we need to go through additional UNIX contortions?
>

Do not install the texmf tree included in texmflib.sit.bin if you have
installed teTeX. My texmf tree is a subset of teTeX's texmf tree. All of
the configuration and format files specific to CMacTeX are included in
texmf-cmt. About the only package included with teTeX that may be out-of-date
is hyperref (texmf/tex/latex/hyperref), if you use my pdftex. If you do have
problems with hyperref and pdftex just download the latest hyperref package
from CTAN.

>>5) Currently CMacTeX contains the only native dvi previewer for OS X which
>>does not require the installation of the X Window System. If a dvi file
>>has been prepared with the srcltx package, a click in a displayed page
>>will take you back to the editor and the editor will highlight the first
>>line of the selected paragraph. This feature currently works only with
>>BBEdit and Alpha because only these editors have the needed Apple Event
>>support.
>
>I assume that dvi files created with CMacTeX are of this type?

You must add the srcltx package to your tex source files. A typical latex
document would begin with

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{srcltx}
etc

in order to specials written to the dvi file. After you have finished 
debugging your sources be sure to remove the \usepackage{srcltx} from
your source file. 
>
>>
>>6) Macintosh Postscript fonts can be used with CMacTeX's dvips and pdftex.
>>You do not have to convert your Lucida or MathTime Postscript fonts into
>>pfb format.
>
>Are there instructions for how to do this in your documentation? In addition, does pdftex do 100% embedding of fonts in pdf documents? This seems to be very important for other people to be able to read my/your/anyone's pdf documents with everything showing up properly.

I presume that you have these Postscript fonts in Macintosh format and they
are probably in /Library/Fonts or ~/Library/Fonts. Wherever they are make an
alias of the folder containing these Postscript fonts and move the alias to
the texmf-cmt/fonts/type1 folder. Launch setup and choose "Initialize default
search paths." (This is the CMacTeX equivalent of texhash.) To have dvips
actually use these fonts open texmf-cmt/dvips/config/config.ps and make sure
that the lines

p +lucida-lwfn.map
p +mathtime-lwfn.map

do not begin with a %. To configure pdftex to use the Lucida and MathTime
fonts open /texmf-cmt/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg and make sure that you have
the lines 

map +lucida-lwfn.map
map +mathtime-lwfn.map

Comment out any other lines beginning with "map" that refer to either the
lucida or mathtime fonts. 

Note that you can open these files from CMacTeX by using the "Open config"
item under the Edit menu.

In dvips you turn partial font downloading on or off in config.ps. Partial
font downloading is turn on by default. To turn it off make sure that
config.ps has the line

j0

To turn it back on change j0 to %j0. Pdftex does not have a similar item in
its pdftex.cfg file. I have added this option to the "pdftex options" item
under the Options Menu in CMacTeX. Either of these approaches affects all
Postscript fonts. To turn off partial font downloading just for a few specific
fonts who have to modify the appropriate mapping file. For example, open
texmf-cmt/dvips/config/lucida-lwfn.map. One line in this file is

hlcry LucidaNewMath-Symbol <LucidNewMatSym

If you change this line to

hlcry LucidaNewMath-Symbol <<LucidNewMatSym

the LucidNewMatSym font will never be partially downloaded. You can do this
for any font in any .map file.

Tom Kiffe

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MacOSX-TeX Digest #27 - Sunday, June 3, 2001

  TeXShop text ?
          by "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop text ?
          by "Tom Keyes" <keyes at chem.bu.edu>


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Subject: TeXShop text ?
From: "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 21:00:20 +0930

I'm not sure if I've posted the first of these questions before.

If I open a TeXShop file in BBEdit it has lots of little
rectangles. Is this some problem with UNIX versus mac line feeds?

Tonight
I ftped a lot of TeXShop files to my web server - I think they went as binary
I used Interarchy. Then I tested one on the UNIX machine the students
use - none of them will run as the spurious characters are
still there.

The only solution I could find was to cut  from the TeXShop file
paste into BBEdit and then save that.  Then I ftped that onto
the UNIX machine and it was fine.

Anyone got a better solution or an explanation of why this occurs ?


Thanks - Michael
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop text ?
From: "Tom Keyes" <keyes at chem.bu.edu>
Date: 3 Jun 2001 11:52:03 -0400

On Sun, Jun 3, 2001 7:30 AM, Michael Murray
<mailto:mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au> wrote:
>I ftped a lot of TeXShop files to my web server - I think they went as
binary
>I used Interarchy. Then I tested one on the UNIX machine the students
>use - none of them will run as the spurious characters are
>still there.
>
>The only solution I could find was to cut  from the TeXShop file
>paste into BBEdit and then save that.  Then I ftped that onto
>the UNIX machine and it was fine.

The problem is more general than TeXShop. The data files that my OS9
programs wrote now cannot be plotted by unix gnuplot locally or after
being ftp'd to a remote machine because they are full of ^M, which is
a Mac line ending. I think pre-OSX it was clear that a mac was a mac
and the control characters got translated, but now mac is also unix
so.....??  The BBEdit 'save as' dialog includes the option of mac or
unix, and i've been dragging the files onto BB and saving as unix. I
really wish BBEdit could somehow handle the text editing part of
TeXShop. 

I'm still not sure how I'm going to handle graphics. I've always done
TeX the user-unfriendly way on unix making .ps or .eps graphics with
gnuplot. I can distill .ps to .pdf but that's one more step. a cocoa
ploting app wd make .pdf but some journals want .ps anyway.

tom





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  what library do you prefer ?
          by "laurens" <jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
          by "serafim" <serafim at nada.kth.se>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
          by "Ross Moore" <ross at ics.mq.edu.au>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
          by "Michael Goldweber" <mikeyg at cerebro.cs.xu.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
          by "laurens" <jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
          by "serafim" <serafim at nada.kth.se>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Carbon CMacTeX
          by "Joshua S. Hodas" <hodas at cs.hmc.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Carbon CMacTeX
          by "Joshua S. Hodas" <hodas at cs.hmc.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Carbon CMacTeX
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Subject: what library do you prefer ?
From: "laurens" <jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr>
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:43:33 +0200

the problem of personal tex files location came a few days ago, the
question was:  where should one install its own packages and other tex
stuff? At this time the answer was to install all these supplementary files
at the right location in the texmf tree. It is not satisfying.
I think that the right answer is partially: inside the /Library folder...
but where exactly?

My opinion is that /library and ~/Library should contain the same
hierarchy. In the first location an administrator will place files
available to all the users, in the second one, each user will place files
of its own. I suggest the following hierarchy as a basis for a discussion
and I am waiting for your suggestions.

(~)/Library/TeXMF Support/TeX
                         /TeX/Shell Scripts
                         /TeX/TeX Input
                         /TeX/TeX Input/TeX (input .tex files)
                         /TeX/TeX Input/LaTeX (packages in folders...)
                         /TeX/TeX Input/?
                         /TeX/TeX Format (for further use)
                         /TeX/TeX Fonts (linked to (~)/Library/Fonts ??? :(
                         /Metafont
                         /?



the way those files are accessed is another problem that should be resolved
by appropriate shell scripts.




        LAURENS Jerome
Analyse Appliquee & Optimisation      tel : (+33) (0)3 80 39 58 76
    9 Avenue Alain Savary             fax : (+33) (0)3 80 39 58 90
            BP 47870               courriel : laurens at u-bourgogne.fr
     F-21078 DIJON Cedex



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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
From: "serafim" <serafim at nada.kth.se>
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 10:15:53 +0200

laurens wrote:
> 
> the problem of personal tex files location came a few days ago, the
> question was:  where should one install its own packages and other tex
> stuff? At this time the answer was to install all these supplementary files
> at the right location in the texmf tree. It is not satisfying.
> I think that the right answer is partially: inside the /Library folder...
> but where exactly?
> 
> My opinion is that /library and ~/Library should contain the same
> hierarchy. In the first location an administrator will place files
> available to all the users, in the second one, each user will place files
> of its own. I suggest the following hierarchy as a basis for a discussion
> and I am waiting for your suggestions.
> 
> (~)/Library/TeXMF Support/TeX
>                          /TeX/Shell Scripts
>                          /TeX/TeX Input
>                          /TeX/TeX Input/TeX (input .tex files)
>                          /TeX/TeX Input/LaTeX (packages in folders...)
>                          /TeX/TeX Input/?
>                          /TeX/TeX Format (for further use)
>                          /TeX/TeX Fonts (linked to (~)/Library/Fonts ??? :(
>                          /Metafont
>                          /?
> 
> the way those files are accessed is another problem that should be resolved
> by appropriate shell scripts.
> 
>         LAURENS Jerome
> Analyse Appliquee & Optimisation      tel : (+33) (0)3 80 39 58 76
>     9 Avenue Alain Savary             fax : (+33) (0)3 80 39 58 90
>             BP 47870               courriel : laurens at u-bourgogne.fr
>      F-21078 DIJON Cedex
> 

Since Mac OS X is a unix variation it is highly personal how to
configure
personal additions.

In all the different Unix variants that I use (I haven't installed

Mac OS X yet) I have use my own setting.

I have made a number of file catalogues:

~/tex
as a "root" for my local definitions and packages

~/tex/inputs
where I store all .cls, .tex and .sty files

~/tex/formats
where I store all .fmt files

~/tex/fonts
where I store all font files

and, finally,
~/tex/locals
where I store all packages that I don't want to split into
the other directories.

In Solaris and on all Linux distributions I have a set of
inititalizations to make my stuff come first. There must be a
way to get the same effect in Mac OS X.

In solaris they reside in either .bashrc or .aliases or .environment
depending on the actual system. In all the different Linux's they
reside in .bashrc.

------------------------------------ for tcsh --------------
setenv TEXINPUTS .:$HOME/tex/inputs//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
setenv TEXFORMATS .:$HOME/tex/formats//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
setenv TEXFONTS .:/tex/fonts//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
setenv TEXEDIT emacs

------------------------------------ for sh and bash --------------
export TEXINPUTS=.:$HOME/tex/inputs//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
export TEXFORMATS=.:$HOME/tex/formats//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
export TEXFONTS=.:$HOME/tex/fonts//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
export TEXEDIT emacs

The double slash tells tex to search recursively in subdirectories ans
the double colon on the end tells tex to add the standard search paths
at the end.

All the directories are open to anyone and this way I get my stuff
without imposing it on others.

But ...... as I said ... it's personal and in a complex distributed
environment (as Unix) - let's keep personal stuff personal.

/Serafim

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
From: "Ross Moore" <ross at ics.mq.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:04:41 +1000 (EST)

> laurens wrote:
> > 
> > My opinion is that /library and ~/Library should contain the same
> > hierarchy. In the first location an administrator will place files
> > available to all the users, in the second one, each user will place files
> > of its own. I suggest the following hierarchy as a basis for a discussion
> > and I am waiting for your suggestions.
> > 
> > (~)/Library/TeXMF Support/TeX
> >                          /TeX/Shell Scripts
> >                          /TeX/TeX Input
> >                          /TeX/TeX Input/TeX (input .tex files)
> >                          /TeX/TeX Input/LaTeX (packages in folders...)
> >                          /TeX/TeX Input/?
> >                          /TeX/TeX Format (for further use)
> >                          /TeX/TeX Fonts (linked to (~)/Library/Fonts ??? :(
> >                          /Metafont
> >                          /?
> > 
> 
> Since Mac OS X is a unix variation it is highly personal how to
> configure
> personal additions.

No, this is not a good way to do it.

A whole bunch of TeX experts spent several years devising the TDS
(TeX Directory Structure) specifications for organising the hierarchy
of applications/fonts/packages etc. for use with all things TeX.

The result of this is the kind of hierarchy that you find under
the  ..../texmf/  directory.

Please *always* use such a structure, else you are just negating
the good work that has been done already, and ultimately making things
more difficult for yourself.


The free TeXLive CDs that are produced every year use such a TDS
structure. So keeping your TeX up-to-date is very simple when you
also follow TDS. The free  teTeX  structure, with the  kpathsea
searching mechanism, only works efficiently because of this TDS
structure. 

If you want to keep a local tree, separate from the main texmf/ tree,
that's OK --- provided it also is TDS compliant. Searching multiple texmf/
trees is easy to configure (in teTeX, via the texmf.cnf file).
But unless you keep to the TDS structure, then you cannot be sure that
local updates will indeed be found in preference to older versions
of files having the same name, located within the system texmf/ tree.

For example, you add a new font with its .tfm files, so that (La)TeX
finds it.  But does dvips find it too ? and  pdfTeX ?
Will Metafont find the .mf sources, if you need to make bitmaps ?

 
> In all the different Unix variants that I use (I haven't installed
> 
> Mac OS X yet) I have use my own setting.
> 
> I have made a number of file catalogues:
> 
> ~/tex
> as a "root" for my local definitions and packages
> 
> ~/tex/inputs
> where I store all .cls, .tex and .sty files
> 
> ~/tex/formats
> where I store all .fmt files
> 
> ~/tex/fonts
> where I store all font files
> 
> and, finally,
> ~/tex/locals
> where I store all packages that I don't want to split into
> the other directories.

Having your own structures, built up over the years so that you know
exactly where things belong, is fine; but please do not recommend this
to others who do not have that same historical advantage.

The TDS is the standard that should be followed with new installations;
especially those based on Unix and/or a myriad of separate executables
each performing their individual tasks.

 
> In Solaris and on all Linux distributions I have a set of
> inititalizations to make my stuff come first. There must be a
> way to get the same effect in Mac OS X.

Installing teTeX under MacOS X  is no more difficult than on
any other platform (provided the 'configure' script is up-to-date
so as to recognise the Mac platform).


> In solaris they reside in either .bashrc or .aliases or .environment
> depending on the actual system. In all the different Linux's they
> reside in .bashrc.
> 
> ------------------------------------ for tcsh --------------
> setenv TEXINPUTS .:$HOME/tex/inputs//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
> setenv TEXFORMATS .:$HOME/tex/formats//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
> setenv TEXFONTS .:/tex/fonts//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
> setenv TEXEDIT emacs
> 
> ------------------------------------ for sh and bash --------------
> export TEXINPUTS=.:$HOME/tex/inputs//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
> export TEXFORMATS=.:$HOME/tex/formats//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
> export TEXFONTS=.:$HOME/tex/fonts//:$HOME/tex/locals//::
> export TEXEDIT emacs

To add a new TDS-compliant texmf/ tree to a  teTeX  installation requires
adding *just one path* into *just one line* of the texmf.cnf file.
(However, it is more elegant to use 1 line to define a new variable,
 then use that variable in just one place on another line of the file.)

Then all of the other variables inherit from this simple addition,
and all of the applications can find what they need from the new tree.

All those .bashrc .aliases etc. files are completely redundant.


Besides, on a shared server, teTeX is usually setup so that a new user
simply need create a  ~/texmf/  tree (i.e. texmf/ in their home directory).
*No further* configuration is required to have a local tree that
overrides older files in the system texmf/ tree.
So if you don't have write-access to  texmf.cnf  then it doesn't matter
at all, because you don't need to do it that way.



> The double slash tells tex to search recursively in subdirectories ans
> the double colon on the end tells tex to add the standard search paths
> at the end.
> 
> All the directories are open to anyone and this way I get my stuff
> without imposing it on others.
> 
> But ...... as I said ... it's personal and in a complex distributed
> environment (as Unix) - let's keep personal stuff personal.

Precisely...

	... and TDS is designed to make it easier to do so.


Hope this helps,

	Ross


> 
> /Serafim
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
From: "Michael Goldweber" <mikeyg at cerebro.cs.xu.edu>
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:12:23 -0400

	I must echo Ross Moore's recommendation.  By all means create 
your own archive of tex inputs (or packages from CTAN not included in 
the standard teTeX distribution), but put them in the TDS format.

In addition to Ross's reasons I offer the following:

1) It works and it will ultimately translate into less work for you.

2) By creating your own ~/texmf or ~/lib/texmf you can have one texmf 
tree (teTeX) that remains untouched for ease of upgrading and 
CMacTeX, teTeX, and TeXShop all work without any extra work!  (OzTeX 
is easily pointed to this location through its local configuration 
file as well.)

CMacTeX expects a local texmf tree; one creates an alias to it in the 
application folder.

TeXShop CANNOT read the TEXINPUTS environment variables suggested by 
Serafim so this solution is not helpful to TeXShop users.

----
For the bashful out there, modifying 
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf is trivial.

Michael Murray previously posted to this list some instructions on 
modifying texmf.cnf
Instead of his approach
	TEXMF = {~/Library/texmf,!!$TEXMFMAIN}

I would suggest un-commenting the definition for HOMETEXMF and then 
using this definition for TEXMF
	% User texmf trees can be catered for like this...
	HOMETEXMF = $HOME/lib/texmf            %%-or wherever you 
wish your local TDS tree to reside
	TEXMF = {$HOMETEXMF,!!$TEXMFMAIN}


mikeyg



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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
From: "laurens" <jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr>
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:33:41 +0200

>	I must echo Ross Moore's recommendation.  By all means create
>your own archive of tex inputs (or packages from CTAN not included in
>the standard teTeX distribution), but put them in the TDS format.
>
>In addition to Ross's reasons I offer the following:
>
>1) It works and it will ultimately translate into less work for you.
>
>2) By creating your own ~/texmf or ~/lib/texmf you can have one texmf
>tree (teTeX) that remains untouched for ease of upgrading and
>CMacTeX, teTeX, and TeXShop all work without any extra work!  (OzTeX
>is easily pointed to this location through its local configuration
>file as well.)
>
>CMacTeX expects a local texmf tree; one creates an alias to it in the
>application folder.
>
>TeXShop CANNOT read the TEXINPUTS environment variables suggested by
>Serafim so this solution is not helpful to TeXShop users.

Well you are almost right. Texshop is not actually designed to read the
TEXINPUTS envir variable declared in a .cshrc but it should read it if it
is declared inside a script (see altpdflatex...)

More generally everyone of you thinks in terms of long term UNIX user which
does not suit any (?) mac user. So I have to restate my problem

For newbies and average mac users, I have to put a quite TDS structure for
local and user texmf related files. I do not want to use the "local"
feature of TDS and leave my TeX distribution unchanged (as suggested above,
I want a drag and drop update: I put the old distribution to the trash and
I place the new one instead, well almost...) So the local and user
specifics will be on a more macish "(~)/Library/TeXMF\ Support" entry. But
we cannot expect the average mac user to read all the TDS doc to create
with the CLI the right folders inside.

So what are the useful subdirectories to place under the TDS root? I am
afraid  everything will frighten macintosh users...

Moreover we have to deal with the problem of fonts. TeX should be able to
use macintosh fonts stored in /Library/Fonts (TTF...). Should, not must...



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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] what library do you prefer ?
From: "serafim" <serafim at nada.kth.se>
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 17:21:39 +0200

laurens wrote:
> 
> >       I must echo Ross Moore's recommendation.  By all means create
> >your own archive of tex inputs (or packages from CTAN not included in
> >the standard teTeX distribution), but put them in the TDS format.
> >
> >In addition to Ross's reasons I offer the following:
> >
> >1) It works and it will ultimately translate into less work for you.
> >
> >2) By creating your own ~/texmf or ~/lib/texmf you can have one texmf
> >tree (teTeX) that remains untouched for ease of upgrading and
> >CMacTeX, teTeX, and TeXShop all work without any extra work!  (OzTeX
> >is easily pointed to this location through its local configuration
> >file as well.)
> >
> >CMacTeX expects a local texmf tree; one creates an alias to it in the
> >application folder.
> >
> >TeXShop CANNOT read the TEXINPUTS environment variables suggested by
> >Serafim so this solution is not helpful to TeXShop users.
> 
I am sorry if I stir up a lot of emotion. I have used TeX and LaTeX for
many years and followed what I supposed to be good advice from TeX
"wizards" at my job.

My letter really has three messages:
1) This is what I did (and learned today that it stinks-:).
2) Don't mess up the global TeX system.
3) Keep personal stuff personal - don't impose your stuff on others.

In the system such as it is configured at work it obviously doesn't
work your way and that's a pity. The result is that I use my own
settings "everywhere" and it works - "everywhere" (so far), but ...

I am willing to learn (and possibly teach others - the local TeX
wizards since many years). Point me to the right docs for this matter.

/Serafim

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Carbon CMacTeX
From: "Joshua S. Hodas" <hodas at cs.hmc.edu>
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:29:30 -0700

Tom,

Can you tell me if you know whether the ``prosper" macros
(for making powerpoint-like presentations) work with
CMacTex, and how hard they are to install in that setting.

I am desperately in search of some way of running prosper on
the mac.

Josh
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Carbon CMacTeX
From: "Joshua S. Hodas" <hodas at cs.hmc.edu>
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:52:36 -0700

Arrrrgggghh!   That note was obviously intended for Tom Kiffe,
not the whole list.

Sorry.

Josh

PS: On the other hand, if anyone else knows the answer to this question
(whether prosper works with CMacTeX, or any other mac latex), feel free to
reply to me.

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Carbon CMacTeX
From: "Enrico Franconi" <franconi at cs.man.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 00:37:08 +0100

I'm happily using prosper with standard tetex and ghostscript
installed from fink.
-- e.

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MacOSX-TeX Digest #30 - Wednesday, June 6, 2001

  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Carbon CMacTeX
          by "Tom Kiffe" <tom at kiffe.com>
  The texmf tree
          by <mclean at physics.queensu.ca>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] The texmf tree
          by "Michael Goldweber" <mikeyg at cerebro.cs.xu.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] The texmf tree
          by "Norman Gray" <norman+lists at astro.gla.ac.uk>


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Carbon CMacTeX
From: "Tom Kiffe" <tom at kiffe.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:16:28 -0500

Josh,

I am not familiar with prosper but, if it is just a set of macros for
latex, it should work with CMacTeX. Do you know if it uses any perl
scripts or anything else that is strictly unix?

--Tom


>Tom,
>
>Can you tell me if you know whether the ``prosper" macros
>(for making powerpoint-like presentations) work with
>CMacTex, and how hard they are to install in that setting.
>
>I am desperately in search of some way of running prosper on
>the mac.
>
>Josh

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Subject: The texmf tree
From: <mclean at physics.queensu.ca>
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:03:48 -0400

Ross Moore's comments in digest 29 on setting up a local texmf tree were
very useful. I set up a local texmf tree in my home directory,

~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/misc/

added my REVTeX style files and made the mods to the texmf.cnf files as
Richard describes in his help file. I got the fonts working for the 
first time
with the REVTeX package. Great!  Now, I tried to do the same thing
with the BibTeX files. I put the apsrev.bst file in

~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/bibtex/bst/

However, BibTeX did not see the bst file. BibTeX works fine if I have 
the apsrev.bst file
in the working directory. Do I also have to tell BibTeX to search the 
local texmf tree
or do I have the tree structure wrong ?

It would be great to have more info on the tree structure. The files I 
am working with are:

	revtex4.cls  	The REVTeX 4 class file
	aps.rtx       	APS specific REVTeX 4 customizations for Phys. Rev.
	rmp.rtx       	APS specific REVTeX 4 customizations for Rev. Mod. Phys.
	10pt.rtx      	10 point size class option file for REVTeX.
	11pt.rtx      	11 point size class option file for REVTeX.
	12pt.rtx      	12 point size class option file for REVTeX.
	apsrev.bst    	A new custom-bib based BibTeX style file for use 
with REVTeX 4 for Phys. Rev. style citations.
	apsrmp.bst    	For Rev. Mod. Physics (author/year) style citations
	revsymb.sty   	A collection of common symbols for use outside 
of REVTeX.

Where should they go ? Very useful discussion !

Alastair McLean
NanoPhysics Group, Queen's University, Kingston,
Ontario, K7L3N6, CANADA.
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] The texmf tree
From: "Michael Goldweber" <mikeyg at cerebro.cs.xu.edu>
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:25:16 -0400

>Ross Moore's comments in digest 29 on setting up a local texmf tree were
>very useful. I set up a local texmf tree in my home directory,
>
>~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/misc/
>
>added my REVTeX style files and made the mods to the texmf.cnf files as
>Richard describes in his help file. I got the fonts working for the first time
>with the REVTeX package. Great!  Now, I tried to do the same thing
>with the BibTeX files. I put the apsrev.bst file in
>
>~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/bibtex/bst/

try
~/Library/texmf/bibtex/bst/

BibTeX is a separate package from TeX, while LaTeX is a subcomponent of TeX.

I would recommend that instead of putting the file in 
~/Library/texmf/bibtex/bst/
you place it in a directory inside this location.  (Use the package 
name the bst file derives from instead of placing everything in misc.)

>
>However, BibTeX did not see the bst file. BibTeX works fine if I 
>have the apsrev.bst file
>in the working directory. Do I also have to tell BibTeX to search 
>the local texmf tree
>or do I have the tree structure wrong ?

No, BibTeX does not need any special instructions if you follow the 
recommended TDS.

>
>It would be great to have more info on the tree structure. The files 
>I am working with are:

I suggest poking around on /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf to get a feel 
for how the TDS is organized.


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] The texmf tree
From: "Norman Gray" <norman+lists at astro.gla.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:52:26 -0400


Greetings,

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 mclean at physics.queensu.ca wrote:

> Ross Moore's comments in digest 29 on setting up a local texmf tree
were
> very useful. I set up a local texmf tree in my home directory,
> 
> ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/misc/
> 
> [...]
> 
> ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/bibtex/bst/
> 
> However, BibTeX did not see the bst file. BibTeX works fine if I have
> the apsrev.bst file

In general, kpsewhich is your friend.  Along with the other TeX
binaries, there should be a kpsewhich program[1].  This is invaluable
for working out the effects of the various settings in the texmf.cnf
file, and in general working out TeX's view of the world.  For example:

    kpsewhich bst plain.bst
    kpsewhich cnf texmf.cnf

finds where plain.bst and texmf.cnf are and, if you have more than one
in your path, which one it'll select.

    kpsepath bst
    kpsewhich --show-path=bst

shows the complete path, taking things like the TEXINPUTS environment
variable into account.  And

    kpsewhich --expand-var=\$TEXMF

will show you the value of TEXMF which results from the settings in the
texmf.cnf file.

All the best,

Norman


[1] This is certainly true of the set of TeX binaries I lifted from
    CTAN:systems/unix/teTeX/1.0/distrib/binaries/powerpc-rhapsody.tar.gz
    based on web2c.  I don't know for certain if other Mac TeX builds
    have it (though since it's a component of the kpathsea library which
    parses the texmf.cnf file, if you have texmf.cnf, I'd guess you have
    kpsewhich), but they certainly ought to, since it's so useful.

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