<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><blockquote type="cite" class=""><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br>Same here. Adobe Reader is a bit bloated but does the job for me.<br><br>--Matt<br><br>On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:15 AM, Josep M. Font wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">El 16/11/2007, a las 12:57, Luis Sequeira escribió:<br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">have for a long time wished I could do without Adobe Reader.<br></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Perhaps it would be instructive to others that you explain the <br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">drawbacks of Adober Reader. I use it with beamer-produced <br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">presentations and did not notice any problems. With version 8, that <br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">is.<br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">JMaF<br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">-------------------------- Helpful Info --------------------------<br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">TeX FAQ: <a href="http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq">http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq</a><br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">List Reminders and Etiquette: <a href="http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/list/">http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/list/</a><br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">List Info: <a href="http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-tex">http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-tex</a><br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">List Archive: <a href="http://tug.org/pipermail/macostex-archives/">http://tug.org/pipermail/macostex-archives/</a><br></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Mac-TeX Website: <a href="http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/">http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/</a><br></font></blockquote><br></font></blockquote><br><div>Being bloated is one of the reasons why I'd like to avoid it. </div><div>The fact that it does not behave as a good citizen is the biggest one... always popping up windows telling me to update (often as I am in front of an audience...); and stealthily installing its stuff in my login items is yet another example of bad behavior. </div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I have been experiencing an excruciatingly long time from login to having a functional desktop - often over one minute, and that on a MacBook Pro 2.33 with a clean install of Leopard. Guess what the culprit was? </div><div>A login item that adobe reader installed without asking! This has happened before, and as I recall one has to go through an undocumented hack to prevent it from happening again - i.e. it is not enough to disable some preference (which should not be set by default, anyway...). These is one kind of unacceptable mischief that I would like not to put up with.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>The fact remains that for more or less full support of the pdf features it is likely to remain the only choice (though often it is behind the windows counterpart).</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>On the other hand, even Apple's Keynote has the bad habit of disabling command-tab when in full screen - that, at least, Adobe Reader gets right. If only TeXShop did not follow Keynote on this one...</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Luis Sequeira</div></body></html>