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<div><br></div><div>Moin Mac-TeXters,</div><div><br></div><div>in the thread "tlmgr failure", reacting to my footer</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">MacTeXLive 200 - TeXShop 2.14-svn - LyX 1.6</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Nov 30, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Alain Schremmer wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1; ">By the way, why TeXShop AND LyX?</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I am not about to switch but a friend who picked LyX asked me why I picked TeXShop.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">(My response was that, learning curve apart, TeXShop (inter alia) could do a lot more than LyX since I could control the packages I used. He seemed a bit skeptical though—he is a professional programmer.)</div></blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div>I'm not!<br><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">For not to run still further OT that thread I start for my answer another one on "LyX or TeXShop", OK, it remains a little bit OT of Mac-OSX, but I think that Mac-User in there majority are not programmers and impassionate Unixers or TeXers and have similar problems with LaTeX like me. So because asked that here by Alain, I give my answer.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I'm not at all a preacher of LyX ... and of LaTeX neither - I really sacrificed myself already more than half a year to know some fundamental use of LaTeX (also tried ConTeXt) and LyX for my projects only because there is no "normal" word processor which is able to handle</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">==> _indexed sidenotes/marginalia_ </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">in a reasonable way (instead or in addition to real footnotes).</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">For the same objective (many many numbered marginalia as translation help for foreign or elder languages or other additions to the main text) I choose the tufte-handout.cls (and the LyX "handout (tufte)" layout, produced by Jürgen Spitzmüller from the LyX team, on my demand, BTW).</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Of course I take advantage of the good typography and - with necessary adaptations to European style - layout capacities of TeX.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The final reason that let me end up (for a while or more) mainly with the LyX-editor is:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">==> I can input IPA and other phonetical characters directly </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">(by switching to an IPA Unicode keyboard or by copying them from <a href="http://weston.ruter.net/projects/ipa-chart/view/keyboard/">http://weston.ruter.net/projects/ipa-chart/view/keyboard/</a> ). That is, I need not to have in mind the the TIPA-Codes, because the LyX editor itselfs puts the Codes into the LaTeX source file.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Only far after these two reasons (the first one - marginalia - depending more of the document class, without regard to the question TeXShop or LyX), once I made up a template for certains uses, I like in LyX not being forced to seek and scroll down to the first line of concrete input, especially when writing letters of the scrlttr2 class.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Finally I find it easyer to make little, local changes e. g. in character and paragraph style in LyX than in TeXShop, because the change is let's say "insinuated" a little bit in the shape of the document representation in the LyX GUI and not only readable or "decipherable" from the self insetted LaTeX-code. (Other might feel that an disadvantage.)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">In other respects, I know very well, that for compositions and tasks beyond the respectively given classes you need to find out how to achieve these goals with LaTeX instruments. For me that is annoying and highly time consuming.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Happy TeXing in different GUIs,</div></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Luxi Serif'; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Luxi Serif'; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Luxi Serif'; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 16px; "><div>Goutgaun! <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; ">joachim</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">PS: Thanx also for Herbert Schulz' hint for</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">TeXShop 2.18 since you can then set things up to use synctex to get really nice synchronization between source and pdf</div></blockquote><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Of course I'll update my second editor, too, and test it.</span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div>MacTeXLive 2008 - TeXShop 2.14-svn - LyX 1.6 </div><div>MacBook Pro OSX 10.4.11 Tiger</div><div><br></div></div></span></div></span></div></div></span></span></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></body></html>