MacOSX-TeX Digest #281 - 04/01/02

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MacOSX-TeX Digest #281 - Monday, April 1, 2002

  Re: [OS X TeX] ANNOUNCE mbtimes font package
          by "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
  TeX-related links
          by "Andrew Trevorrow" <andrew at trevorrow.com>
  btw...
          by <get86 at mac.com>
  Re: More on Illustrator 10 Font Problems with TeXShop / TeTex
          by <hills_tex at tina.stanford.edu>
  Re: [OS X TeX] TeX-related links
          by "Benji Fisher" <benji at member.AMS.org>
  Help---gs 6.01 broken
          by "Gary Martin" <garymartin at mac.com>
  (no subject)
          by "Sandra Schwartz" <schwartz at interchange.ubc.ca>
  Re: [OS X TeX] ANNOUNCE mbtimes font package
          by "Michel Bovani" <michel.bovani at wanadoo.fr>
  Re: problem setting paper size
          by "Andrew Trevorrow" <andrew at trevorrow.com>
  Esstix (was: ANNOUNCE mbtimes font package)
          by "Bruno Voisin" <Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr>
  Re: [OS X TeX] Esstix (was: ANNOUNCE mbtimes font package)
          by "Michel Bovani" <michel.bovani at wanadoo.fr>
  Long Table DVI
          by "Sam Broderick" <sbroderick at mac.com>
  Re: [OS X TeX] a LaTeX type 1 grouped font?
          by "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>


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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] ANNOUNCE mbtimes font package
From: "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:00:16 -0500

On 3/31/02 3:35 PM, "Michel Bovani" <michel.bovani at wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> Its a font package with more possibilities than mathptmx and (probably) less
> quality than mathtimes (but it is free).

This looks very interesting and your installation instructions are
excellent. I do have one question though (see below).

> 7 - uses for blackboard bold the esstix14 font from elsevier free esstix
> distribution. Note that you are *not* allowed to
> 
> * distribute this font alone
> * modify this font

Regarding the esstix font. Where exactly does one install all the files
associated with this font? What command do I use to access the blackboard
fonts -- is it the same command as is used in AMS-LaTeX, i.e., \mathbb?
Since it looks like the esstix font might act as a complete replacement for
the additional fonts in AMS-LaTeX, can we simply load AMS-LaTeX via (without
the amssymb package), as in:

\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{mbtimes}
\usepackage{amsmath}
\usepackage{bm}
\usepackage{exscale}
\usepackage[mathscr]{eucal}

If not, how do I access all these other esstix fonts?

Thank you,

-- Gary


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Subject: TeX-related links
From: "Andrew Trevorrow" <andrew at trevorrow.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:46:53 +1000

I've been collecting TeX-related links for my own use but there are
probably other TeXnophiles who might find them useful, so here they are.

Please send any suggestions/corrections to me (NOT to the list) and I'll
post an updated version in a few days.  If there is sufficient interest
I'll repost the links on a semi-regular basis (every month, or whenever
there are significant changes, or whenever requested).

Programs that require Classic on OS X are flagged by "[Classic]".

TeX implementations, including teTeX front-ends:

http://www.kiffe.com/cmactex.html                       CMacTeX
http://www.u-bourgogne.fr/monge/j.laurens/iTeXMac/      iTeXMac
http://www.trevorrow.com/oztex/                         OzTeX
http://www.advanced-science.com/html/scientific.htm     Scientific Assistant
http://www.rna.nl/tex.html                              teTeX/gs installer
http://homepage.mac.com/johnj1/software/texpalette.html TeXPalette
http://www.kiffe.com/textools.html                      TeXShell
http://www.uoregon.edu/~koch/texshop/                   TeXShop
http://www.bluesky.com/                                 Textures [Classic]

TeX-savvy editors:

http://alphatcl.sourceforge.net/                     Alpha [Classic]
http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit.html        BBEdit
http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~franconi/mac-emacs/         mac-emacs
http://www.hekkelman.com/pepper.html                 Pepper
http://www.vim.org/macs.html                         Vim

More TeX-related software and other useful stuff:

http://homepage.mac.com/leuski/cocoaspell/           cocoAspell
http://homepage.mac.com/dougrowland/EquationService/ Equation Service
http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~excalibr/                Excalibur
http://fink.sourceforge.net/                         Fink
http://www.kiffe.com/textools.html                   MacDviX and MacGhostViewX
http://hutchinson.belmont.ma.us/tth/                 TeX2HTML
http://sourceforge.net/projects/xonx/                XFree86
http://www.brockerhoff.net/xray/                     XRay

TeX information and resources:

http://www.tug.org/                                  TeX Users Group
http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/                      TeX/LaTeX for the Mac
http://www.act.cmis.csiro.au/gjw/tex/catalogue.html  The TeX Catalogue Online
http://e-math.ams.org/tex/publications.html          AMS TeX references
http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/textprocessing/  Text processing with TeX
http://www.latex-project.org/                        The LaTeX Project
http://www.loria.fr/tex/english/                     (La)TeX Navigator
http://www-cs-staff.Stanford.EDU/~knuth/             Donald Knuth's home page

CTAN download sites:

ftp://ctan.tug.org/tex-archive/       USA
ftp://ftp.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/      UK
ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/       Germany
ftp://ctan.unsw.edu.au/tex-archive/   Australian mirror

Reminder: send suggestions/corrections to me, not to the list.

Andrew

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Subject: btw...
From: <get86 at mac.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:57:01 -0500

sorry i didn't get this in the previous post:

this idea and info is just GREAT! thank you.
is there any question i'd want to see it monthly? hehe.

-Ted

On Sunday, March 31, 2002, at 08:46 PM, Andrew Trevorrow wrote:

> I've been collecting TeX-related links for my own use but there are
> probably other TeXnophiles who might find them useful, so here they are.
>
> Please send any suggestions/corrections to me (NOT to the list) and I'll
> post an updated version in a few days.  If there is sufficient interest
> I'll repost the links on a semi-regular basis (every month, or whenever
> there are significant changes, or whenever requested).
>
> Programs that require Classic on OS X are flagged by "[Classic]".
>
> TeX implementations, including teTeX front-ends:
>
> http://www.kiffe.com/cmactex.html                       CMacTeX
> http://www.u-bourgogne.fr/monge/j.laurens/iTeXMac/      iTeXMac
> http://www.trevorrow.com/oztex/                         OzTeX
> http://www.advanced-science.com/html/scientific.htm     Scientific 
> Assistant
> http://www.rna.nl/tex.html                              teTeX/gs 
> installer
> http://homepage.mac.com/johnj1/software/texpalette.html TeXPalette
> http://www.kiffe.com/textools.html                      TeXShell
> http://www.uoregon.edu/~koch/texshop/                   TeXShop
> http://www.bluesky.com/                                 Textures 
> [Classic]
>
> TeX-savvy editors:
>
> http://alphatcl.sourceforge.net/                     Alpha [Classic]
> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit.html        BBEdit
> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~franconi/mac-emacs/         mac-emacs
> http://www.hekkelman.com/pepper.html                 Pepper
> http://www.vim.org/macs.html                         Vim
>
> More TeX-related software and other useful stuff:
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/leuski/cocoaspell/           cocoAspell
> http://homepage.mac.com/dougrowland/EquationService/ Equation Service
> http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~excalibr/                Excalibur
> http://fink.sourceforge.net/                         Fink
> http://www.kiffe.com/textools.html                   MacDviX and 
> MacGhostViewX
> http://hutchinson.belmont.ma.us/tth/                 TeX2HTML
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xonx/                XFree86
> http://www.brockerhoff.net/xray/                     XRay
>
> TeX information and resources:
>
> http://www.tug.org/                                  TeX Users Group
> http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/                      TeX/LaTeX for the 
> Mac
> http://www.act.cmis.csiro.au/gjw/tex/catalogue.html  The TeX Catalogue 
> Online
> http://e-math.ams.org/tex/publications.html          AMS TeX references
> http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/textprocessing/  Text processing 
> with TeX
> http://www.latex-project.org/                        The LaTeX Project
> http://www.loria.fr/tex/english/                     (La)TeX Navigator
> http://www-cs-staff.Stanford.EDU/~knuth/             Donald Knuth's 
> home page
>
> CTAN download sites:
>
> ftp://ctan.tug.org/tex-archive/       USA
> ftp://ftp.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/      UK
> ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/       Germany
> ftp://ctan.unsw.edu.au/tex-archive/   Australian mirror
>
> Reminder: send suggestions/corrections to me, not to the list.
>
> Andrew
>
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Subject: Re: More on Illustrator 10 Font Problems with TeXShop / TeTex
From: <hills_tex at tina.stanford.edu>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:20:02 -0800

Hi Gordon,
  I think the problem is a how Illustrator 10 handles fonts and PDF import/
export.  (Freehand 10 wasn't much better for reading the PDFs, by the way.)

Secondly, when you ran "Tex and ghostscript", you were probably embedding a
bitmapped font in your PDF (so it renders the correct symbol, but ugly).

The only way that I've found to work is to keep everything in postscript up
until you produce your final document:

  i.e., if you want to set an equation and then load it into illustrator:

    1) Create a postscript file with type 1 fonts:
         latex test.tex
         dvips -z -P www test
    2) edit the file in Illustrator as postscript
         (the fonts seemed fine here)
    3) save out as postscript, and load back in to latex that way...

  I would only output a PDF for final printing:
    1) create a postscript file with type 1 fonts
         (as above)
    2) distiller
         (probably other options here)

A couple of notes:

  DVIPS -z -P www  This reads in the file "config.www" which, by default,
           ^^^^^^  calls the "bsr.map" and "bsr-interpolate.map" files
                   to enable the type-1 encoding.  you could just as easily
                   make up your own config file, or you can create the file
                   ".dvipsrc" in your home directory with the line:
                   "p +bsr.map"  (without the quotes)

  Illustrator      Exporting from Illustrator is also a problem.  Even 
  & PDFs           when the file is read in as postscript and the fonts are
                   fine, saving it out as a PDF file causes problems.
                  (it won't print correctly from acrobat; in fact, it
                   made a font substitution on me: it changed the CMSY10 "-"
                   to something in the Symbol font)

  PDFs & TeX       This really seems to be a promising route, and the TeXShop
                   application is pretty nice.  I'm a bit discouraged
                   by problems like this with the fonts (not that PS is
                   lots better--I'd love to be proved wrong and learn of
                   a font 'solution'), and what I'd really like is to be
                   able to include EPS graphics directly -- sort of a one-stop
                   TeX distiller!

  Illustration     As a sidenote, I had a lot of problem getting 
  Apps             Illustrator 10 EPS files to read into InDesign 2, and
                   switched to PDF-based exports there; I think using older
                   EPS formats might work better.  What a mess. -- I would 
                   gladly abandon illustrator if I could find another program 
                   that dealt with postscript files well! (Acrobat=>PDF=>
                   Freehand is tempting, but the latter is a shade unstable, 
                   and the earlier versions that I use for most of my 
                   illustration work don't import as robustly))

Matt

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeX-related links
From: "Benji Fisher" <benji at member.AMS.org>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:38:56 -0500

Andrew Trevorrow wrote:
> 
> I've been collecting TeX-related links for my own use but there are
> probably other TeXnophiles who might find them useful, so here they are.
> 
> Please send any suggestions/corrections to me (NOT to the list) and I'll
> post an updated version in a few days.  If there is sufficient interest
> I'll repost the links on a semi-regular basis (every month, or whenever
> there are significant changes, or whenever requested).
[snip]
> 
> TeX-savvy editors:
> 
> http://alphatcl.sourceforge.net/                     Alpha [Classic]
> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit.html        BBEdit
> http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~franconi/mac-emacs/         mac-emacs
> http://www.hekkelman.com/pepper.html                 Pepper
> http://www.vim.org/macs.html                         Vim

     I think that the download page at VimOnline is more up-to-date than the
one at vim.org:

http://vim.sourceforge.net/download.php#mac

In addition to my build of Vim Carbon (now at 6.1) this page has links to
versions for Terminal and Mac Classic.

					--Benji Fisher

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Subject: Help---gs 6.01 broken
From: "Gary Martin" <garymartin at mac.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:11:44 +1000

gs 6.01 (from I-installer fat 20020328) and previous versions stopped 
working when I installed 10.1.3 (or Mozzilla 0.99).
Tried re-installing everything, ran fsck, rebuilt desktop, rebuilt 
pre-bindings---to no avail.
Calling gs from TexShop, ITeXMac or MacDviX produces the following Crash 
Log:

Date/Time:  2002-04-01 14:03:37 +1000
OS Version: 10.1.3 (Build 5Q45)

Command:    gs
PID:        1983

Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes:      KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x002ce7e4

Thread 0:
  #0   0x00065350 in font_restore
  #1   0x0006d6b0 in restore_resources
  #2   0x0006d568 in alloc_restore_all
  #3   0x0003fc18 in gs_main_finit
  #4   0x0003fc60 in gs_exit_with_code
  #5   0x00001a98 in main
  #6   0x000019a4 in _start
  #7   0x000017d4 in start


PPC Thread State:
   srr0: 0x00065350 srr1: 0x0000d030                vrsave: 0x00000000
    xer: 0x20000020   lr: 0x00065338  ctr: 0x000e3b70   mq: 0x00000000
     r0: 0x0006d6b0   r1: 0xbffff5d0   r2: 0x00000000   r3: 0xbffff6b8
     r4: 0x00000000   r5: 0x00138224   r6: 0x00000000   r7: 0x00000000
     r8: 0x001c3774   r9: 0x00145338  r10: 0x00000000  r11: 0x001c4704
    r12: 0x000e3b78  r13: 0x00000000  r14: 0x00000033  r15: 0x000656e0
    r16: 0x00065710  r17: 0xbfffee90  r18: 0x00060040  r19: 0x00002b03
    r20: 0x00000000  r21: 0x0000001c  r22: 0x70004234  r23: 0x700042c8
    r24: 0x00000004  r25: 0x000003a4  r26: 0x70002d84  r27: 0x70002e10
    r28: 0x00000000  r29: 0xbfffef00  r30: 0x00000000  r31: 0x00000001

**********
Any help would be appreciated.


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Subject: 
From: "Sandra Schwartz" <schwartz at interchange.ubc.ca>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 09:59:18 -0800

I have a few questions.  How do I submit them?

1. creating non-breaking space eg for Pick 6
2. creating abbrevations eg p6 for Pick 6
3. making simple edits in Adobe - it says the font is not available - I 
use the standard with the templates

Thanks,
Sandra


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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] ANNOUNCE mbtimes font package
From: "Michel Bovani" <michel.bovani at wanadoo.fr>
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 12:29:33 +0200

Le 1/04/02 3:00, « Gary L. Gray » <gray at engr.psu.edu> a écrit :

> On 3/31/02 3:35 PM, "Michel Bovani" <michel.bovani at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> 
>> Its a font package with more possibilities than mathptmx and (probably) less
>> quality than mathtimes (but it is free).
> 
> This looks very interesting and your installation instructions are
> excellent. I do have one question though (see below).
> 
>> 7 - uses for blackboard bold the esstix14 font from elsevier free esstix
>> distribution. Note that you are *not* allowed to
>> 
>> * distribute this font alone
>> * modify this font
> 
> Regarding the esstix font. Where exactly does one install all the files
> associated with this font?

Only ESSTIX14 is installed (I make a tfm file with fontinst). The other
esstix fonts are not usable with mbtimes. I put esstix archive in my package
only because I was not sure to be allowed to distribute only esstix14...


> What command do I use to access the blackboard
> fonts -- is it the same command as is used in AMS-LaTeX, i.e., \mathbb?

Yes. See in mbtimes.sty \mathbb is redefined \AtBeginDocument. I think that
esstix mathbb suits best with times than amssymb mathbb. In future release,
it shoulb be an option anyway (e.g. \usepackage[essbb]{mbtimes})

> Since it looks like the esstix font might act as a complete replacement for
> the additional fonts in AMS-LaTeX, can we simply load AMS-LaTeX via (without
> the amssymb package), as in:

mbtimes provides only what provides stantard cm, but with a look wich suits
the times design (I hope...) : essentially more weight, but some sumbols
(calligraphics, sommation, and generally big operators) were totally
redesigned.

It alos provides a \mathbb command, and (for compatibility with amsmath)
\lvert, \rvert, \lVert, \rVert.


> 
> \documentclass[12pt]{article}
> \usepackage{mbtimes}
> \usepackage{amsmath}
> \usepackage{bm}
> \usepackage{exscale}
> \usepackage[mathscr]{eucal}

I think you can do it but exscale for instance is not usefull because it
extend the cm family and mbtimes switch to another family.

In fact you may use any font package, provided it don't switch back to cm...
You can even use the amssymb package, I think. Of course it should be best
to redesign all glyphs of amssymb (or use esstix) but it should be a big
work.

> If not, how do I access all these other esstix fonts?

Unless you make tfm, vf, encoding vectors, latex interface... you can't, I
am afraid...
-- 
Michel Bovani



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Subject: Re: problem setting paper size
From: "Andrew Trevorrow" <andrew at trevorrow.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:35:20 +1000

> It turns out that the problem lies elsewhere. texconfig understands
> other comment styles fine. It is just that the file is classic mac os
> style in that it has classic line endings. texconfig, being a unix
> script, does not understand that. And it is rather difficult to change
> that, since it is a shell script using standard unix commands.
> 
> I'll add a protection statetment to the installer, before texconfig is
> being run. It does not protect you for 100% as it does not protect
> against addition of trees later on, but maybe Andrew (and others) can
> add a comment to his distribution about importing user trees.

Will do.  I already have a warning about teTeX's makeindex requiring
Unix line endings, so I'll add texconfig to the list.

There really is no need for OzTeX users to be putting OzTeX-supplied
files into the teTeX trees so I'll also point out the potential
dangers in my docs.

Andrew

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Subject: Esstix (was: ANNOUNCE mbtimes font package)
From: "Bruno Voisin" <Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:40:34 +0200

The esstix fonts from Elsevier look great, in particular they have all 
these devious integral signs like principal value which would make my 
life easier (not having to recreate it from $\int$ and $-$ every time I 
write a paper and change fonts).

Is anybody aware of a plain TeX macro file or LaTeX package for using 
them ? Though these fonts live in the LaTeX area of Elsevier's public 
ftp server, I could see nothing LaTeX about them.

Bruno Voisin


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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Esstix (was: ANNOUNCE mbtimes font package)
From: "Michel Bovani" <michel.bovani at wanadoo.fr>
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:06:51 +0200

Le 1/04/02 16:40, « Bruno Voisin » <Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr> a écrit :

> The esstix fonts from Elsevier look great, in particular they have all
> these devious integral signs like principal value which would make my
> life easier (not having to recreate it from $\int$ and $-$ every time I
> write a paper and change fonts).
> 
> Is anybody aware of a plain TeX macro file or LaTeX package for using
> them ? Though these fonts live in the LaTeX area of Elsevier's public
> ftp server, I could see nothing LaTeX about them.
> 
> Bruno Voisin
Hmmm...
If you look at the property list of the tfm of an ex tex font (like cmex),
you will find something like

for integral text:
(CHARACTER O 122
   (CHARWD R 0.472223)
   (CHARDP R 1.111122)
   (CHARIC R 0.194446)
   (NEXTLARGER O 132)
   )
for integral display:
(CHARACTER O 132
   (CHARWD R 0.555557)
   (CHARDP R 2.222246)
   (CHARIC R 0.444446)
   )

And now look at esstix afm file: this font claims to be AdobeStandard
encoded (!), and of course, most of the information that you need to make a
tfm font is not actually present. So it is not impossible to make a tex
system with esstix, but it should be a lot of work for the ex font.
Moreover, I am not quite sure one should be allowed to convert these fonts
in a mac format.

-- 
Michel Bovani



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Subject: Long Table DVI
From: "Sam Broderick" <sbroderick at mac.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 20:11:27 +0200

Tried to get a PDF of the dvi for help documentation of longtable and
GhostScript choked. Anybody understand why?


TIA

Sam Broderick

Here's the log:

> ### Skipping tex  [dvi->pdf only]
> ### /usr/local/teTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current/dvips -R -u +psfonts.map
> -u +pdftex.map  -o /tmp/altpdftex.2266/longtable.ps longtable.dvi
> ### ps2pdf /tmp/altpdftex.2266/longtable.ps longtable.pdf
> **** Unable to open the initial device, quitting.
> ### FAILED to generate longtable.pdf ()
> ' TeX output 2001.09.27:1251' -> /tmp/altpdftex.2266/longtable.ps
> <texc.pro><texps.pro>. <cmmi9.pfb><cmti8.pfb><cmtt12.pfb><cmssbx10.pfb>
> <cmbx12.pfb><cmsy9.pfb><cmsy10.pfb><cmti10.pfb><cmss8.pfb><cmr6.pfb>
> <cmcsc10.pfb><cmtt8.pfb><cmr8.pfb><cmsy6.pfb><cmr7.pfb><cmbx10.pfb>
> <cmtt9.pfb><cmss10.pfb><cmtt10.pfb><cmr10.pfb><cmss9.pfb><cmr9.pfb>
> <cmbx9.pfb><cmsy8.pfb><cmr12.pfb><cmss17.pfb><cmr17.pfb>[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
> [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21]
> [22] [23] [24] [25] [26]
> Aladdin Ghostscript 6.01: ./src/iinit.c(99): initial_enter failed (-7),
> entering /registeredencodings in -dict:932/983-
> ### This is /usr/local/teTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current/altpdftex,
> Version 2.3
> This is dvips(k) 5.86f Copyright 2001 Radical Eye Software
> (www.radicaleye.com)


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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] a LaTeX type 1 grouped font?
From: "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:46:02 -0500

hills_tex asked:
> I'm pretty happy being able to install the Y&Y/Bluesky type-1 CM fonts in
> Adobe's application support folder and then have them available in
> Illustrator.  I'm wondering if there is a way to trim down the # of menu
> spaces the font takes?
>
> (ie, instead of seeing cmr10 and cmr12 listed separately, I just see "cmr"
> .)
>
> How does Y&Y's Lucida Bright series show up?

This is caused by Apple's backwards-compatibility with Mac bitmap screen 
fonts. If the fonts aren't all in one suitcase, putting them there will 
trim the entries somewhat.

NeXTstep does properly categorize the fonts by way of the font family name 
provided within the font, and make them available as styles of ``Computer 
Modern'', but unfortunately, since nifty .font bundle support was lost, 
the .pkg of said fonts at ftp.peak.org/pub/next doesn't work in Mac OS X.

There's an extension for Mac OS <9 which'll hide away the fonts, but then 
one can't readily make use of them.

I suspect the ``Super Computer Modern'' font set would work better as does 
the spiffy QuickDraw/GX enable TrueType version which is a part of TeX/GX 
available from www.sil.org, but haven't had a chance to investigate these.
  One can use the ``Favorites'' collection feature of the font panel to 
whittle this sort of thing down to a manageable set though.

William

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