MacOSX-TeX Digest #241 - 02/19/02

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MacOSX-TeX Digest #241 - Tuesday, February 19, 2002

  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
          by "david craig" <dac at panix.com>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
          by "William McCallum" <mccallumwilliam at qwest.net>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
          by "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
          by "Martin Costabel" <costabel at wanadoo.fr>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
          by "William McCallum" <mccallumwilliam at qwest.net>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
          by "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
          by "Martin Costabel" <costabel at wanadoo.fr>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] iTeXMac editor slow
          by "jerome LAURENS" <jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
          by "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
          by "Martin Costabel" <costabel at wanadoo.fr>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
          by "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
  Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
          by "Mark Guzdial" <guzdial at cc.gatech.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
          by "Martin Costabel" <costabel at wanadoo.fr>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
          by "Peter Erwin" <erwin at ll.iac.es>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
          by "Martin Costabel" <costabel at wanadoo.fr>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
          by "Benji Fisher" <fisherbb at bc.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
          by "mark" <markds at mac.com>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
          by "Raymond Brock" <brock at pa.msu.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] How to get teTeX pdf mathematics read by Illustrator  
          by "Wendy McKay" <wgm at cds.caltech.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
          by "Enrico Franconi" <franconi at cs.man.ac.uk>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
          by "mark" <markds at mac.com>
  [ANN] iTeXMac 1.0.9
          by "jerome LAURENS" <jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
          by "jerome LAURENS" <jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
          by "J.Huelsmann" <J.Huelsmann at tu-bs.de>
  Dutch hyphenation
          by "Martin Stokhof" <stokhof at hum.uva.nl>
  Color and itexmac
          by "Francis Dorra" <francis at dorra.nom.fr>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Color and itexmac
          by "Benji Fisher" <fisherbb at bc.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
          by <W.Northcott at unsw.edu.au>
  TeXLive-teTeX updated
          by "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
From: "david craig" <dac at panix.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:23:53 -0500 (EST)


> I haven't seen anyone report that they have it working.

I still haven't, anyway.  The problem resolved was getting fink's
self-update not to complain about the presence of latex2html when
updating system-tetex (necessary for using programs like latex2html when
the version of tetex installed is Gerben's own, not fink's version of
same.)  latex2html still gives me the same error, and fink's install of
it is configured differently enough from the docs that I'm still a bit
lost as to what to try next.  I have asked some of those who might know,
and am waiting for a response.  I'll summarize when/if this is ever
straightened out ... or Gerben beats me to it and adds latex2html to
tetex {:-)]

David Craig


<http://www.panix.com/~dac/>


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
From: "William McCallum" <mccallumwilliam at qwest.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:52:37 -0700


On Sunday, February 17, 2002, at 06:23  PM, david craig wrote:

>
>> I haven't seen anyone report that they have it working.
>
>

latex2html works for me. I used fink install latex2html. This was after 
I had executed fink install system-tetex to make fink recognize Gerben 
Weirda's tetex. At that time fink installed some other packages, without 
trouble (I don't remember which). Before installing latex2html I had 
recently updated using fink selfupdate followed by fink update-all. I 
use the cvs repository. What other information might help? When I run 
fink -version I get the following information:

Package manager version: 0.9.7
Distribution version: 0.3.2a.cvs


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
From: "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:35:36 +1030

At 6:52 PM -0700 17/2/02, William McCallum wrote:

>latex2html works for me. I used fink install latex2html.

Hi William

How did you set up latex2html?  Did it just work when you typed
latex2html file.tex or did you have to configure it somehow ?

On older UNIX installations I have used you had to run a perl
script in the latex2html folder that did a setup. I t hink i t
was called test-install. I can't find it in the fink install.

Thanks - Michael
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3696                                      
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
From: "Martin Costabel" <costabel at wanadoo.fr>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 03:14:21 +0100

Michael Murray wrote:
> 
> At 6:52 PM -0700 17/2/02, William McCallum wrote:
> 
> >latex2html works for me. I used fink install latex2html.
> 
> Hi William
> 
> How did you set up latex2html?  Did it just work when you typed
> latex2html file.tex or did you have to configure it somehow ?

To make it work, I had to change line 52 in
/sw/lib/latex2html/l2hconf.pm from
@IMAGE_TYPES = qw(); 
to
@IMAGE_TYPES = qw(png);

BTW, Fink has another latex-to-html translator "tex4ht" that works for me.

--
Martin

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
From: "William McCallum" <mccallumwilliam at qwest.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:52:35 -0700


On Sunday, February 17, 2002, at 07:05  PM, Michael Murray wrote:

> Hi William
>
> How did you set up latex2html?  Did it just work when you typed
> latex2html file.tex or did you have to configure it somehow ?
>
>

No configuration was necessary. I logged out, logged back in, then typed 
latex2html file.tex (of course, I had already latexed file.tex in order 
to produce the file.aux file that latex2html needs to do its work).

Martin Costabel wrote:

> To make it work, I had to change line 52 in
> /sw/lib/latex2html/l2hconf.pm from
> @IMAGE_TYPES = qw();
> to
> @IMAGE_TYPES = qw(png);

In my case, this line already reads

@IMAGE_TYPES = qw(png gif);


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
From: "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:31:30 +0100

On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 03:14 , Martin Costabel wrote:

> BTW, Fink has another latex-to-html translator "tex4ht" that works for 
> me.

For what it is worth: tex4ht is also part of the current TeX.dmg.

[dumbledore:~] gerben% tex4ht
----------------------------
tex4ht.c (2002-01-24-14:47)
tex4ht
--- error --- improper command line
tex4ht [-f<dir char>]in-file[.dvi]
    [-e<env-file>]
    [-g<bitmap-file-ext>]
    [-h(e|f|g|s|v|V)]   trace: e-errors/warnings, f-htf,  g-groups
                               s-specials, v-env, V-env search
    [-i<htf-font-dir>]
    [-l<bookkeeping-file>]
    [-P(*|<filter>)]     permission for system calls: *-always, filter
    [-t<tfm-font-dir>]
    [-xs]           ms-dos file names for automatically generated gifs


G


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
From: "Martin Costabel" <costabel at wanadoo.fr>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:41:45 +0100

I think I found it:

The fink latex2html package has not yet (or rather, incompletely) been
updated to the new policy of splitting packages into several parts. It
should have a dependency on netpbm-bin. Until this is done (I am CC'ing
the package maintainer), you need to do  "fink install netpbm-bin"
first, and then "fink rebuild latex2html".

-- 
Martin

William McCallum wrote:
> 
> On Sunday, February 17, 2002, at 07:05  PM, Michael Murray wrote:
> 
> > Hi William
> >
> > How did you set up latex2html?  Did it just work when you typed
> > latex2html file.tex or did you have to configure it somehow ?
>  
> No configuration was necessary. I logged out, logged back in, then typed
> latex2html file.tex (of course, I had already latexed file.tex in order
> to produce the file.aux file that latex2html needs to do its work).
> 
> Martin Costabel wrote:
> 
> > To make it work, I had to change line 52 in
> > /sw/lib/latex2html/l2hconf.pm from
> > @IMAGE_TYPES = qw();
> > to
> > @IMAGE_TYPES = qw(png);
> 
> In my case, this line already reads
> 
> @IMAGE_TYPES = qw(png gif);
>

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] iTeXMac editor slow
From: "jerome LAURENS" <jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:51:56 +0100


Le mercredi 13 février 2002, à 10:30 AM, Ullrich Steiner a écrit :

> My guess is that it has to do with syntax coloring and matching 
> delimiters (mainly the last).  Try turning those off.
>
>


I am not sure syntax colouring is the heaviest thing. You should also 
try to hide the toolbar and use command shortcuts instead.

A+JL


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
From: "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:26:38 +1030

>I think I found it:
>
>The fink latex2html package has not yet (or rather, incompletely) been
>updated to the new policy of splitting packages into several parts. It
>should have a dependency on netpbm-bin. Until this is done (I am CC'ing
>the package maintainer), you need to do  "fink install netpbm-bin"
>first, and then "fink rebuild latex2html".
>
>--
>Martin
>

Hi Martin

I get

mac[user]% sudo fink install netpbm-bin
Password:
Reading package info...
Information about 723 packages read in 36 seconds.
pkg netpbm  version bin
Failed: no matching version found for netpbm
mac[user]%

Michael

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_________________________________________________________
Assoc/Prof Michael Murray                                                   
Department of Pure Mathematics       Fax: 61+ 8 8303 
3696                                      
University of Adelaide             Phone: 61+ 8 8303 4174       
Australia  5005      Email: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au             
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_________________________________________________________


    



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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
From: "Martin Costabel" <costabel at wanadoo.fr>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:41:56 +0100

Michael Murray wrote:

> mac[user]% sudo fink install netpbm-bin
> Password:
> Reading package info...
> Information about 723 packages read in 36 seconds.
> pkg netpbm  version bin
> Failed: no matching version found for netpbm

In this case, the explanation I gave might not be right. I assumed that
you had, like me, updated to the latest CVS version of the fink package
descriptions. If you still have the netpbm-9.24-1 package, I don't know
what happened. To find out, you could do:

- fink list netpbm (to know where you are exactly)
- fink rebuild latex2html (This does not take long, and in the configure
messages you will probably see why it thinks no image format is
available.) 
In may case it said:
  
  checking for pnmcrop... no
  Warning: Will not be able to generate images due to above failure.
 
It did not find the pnmcrop program, because it was not installed.
pnmcrop is (now) installed by the netpbm-bin package, and I think it
used to be installed by the netpbm (<= 9.24-1) package.

-- 
Martin

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
From: "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:26:33 +1030

>Michael Murray wrote:
>
>>  mac[user]% sudo fink install netpbm-bin
>>  Password:
>>  Reading package info...
>>  Information about 723 packages read in 36 seconds.
>>  pkg netpbm  version bin
>>  Failed: no matching version found for netpbm
>
>In this case, the explanation I gave might not be right. I assumed that
>you had, like me, updated to the latest CVS version of the fink package
>descriptions. If you still have the netpbm-9.24-1 package, I don't know
>what happened. To find out, you could do:
>
>- fink list netpbm (to know where you are exactly)
>- fink rebuild latex2html (This does not take long, and in the configure
>messages you will probably see why it thinks no image format is
>available.)
>In may case it said:
>
>   checking for pnmcrop... no
>   Warning: Will not be able to generate images due to above failure.
>
>It did not find the pnmcrop program, because it was not installed.
>pnmcrop is (now) installed by the netpbm-bin package, and I think it
>used to be installed by the netpbm (<= 9.24-1) package.
>
>--
>Martin

Hi Martin

I did get the latest CVS (if a few days back is the latest).
I have netpbm 9.24-1 though.  I modified /sw/lib/latex2html/l2hconf.pm by
hand to tell it to use png and gif.

My attempts to latex2html now give me

-----------
macmurray2[mmurray]% latex2html test.tex
This is LaTeX2HTML Version 2K.1beta (1.61)
by Nikos Drakos, Computer Based Learning Unit, University of Leeds.

Revised and extended by:
  Marcus Hennecke, Ross Moore, Herb Swan and others
...producing markup for HTML version 3.2 



Loading /sw/lib/latex2html/versions/html3_2.pl

  *** processing declarations ***

Loading /sw/lib/latex2html/versions/latin1.pl
OPENING /Users/mmurray/test.tex

Cannot create directory test/: File exists, reusing it.

Note: Working directory is /Users/mmurray/Test
Note: Images will be generated in /tmp/l2h12955

texexpand V2K.1beta (Revision 1.11)



Loading /sw/lib/latex2html/styles/texdefs.perl...
Reading ...
++

Failed to read in document parts (out of memory?).
macmurray2[mmurray]%
---------------

Is there away of getting more verbose logging ?

Thanks - Michael
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_________________________________________________________
Assoc/Prof Michael Murray                                                   
Department of Pure Mathematics       Fax: 61+ 8 8303 
3696                                      
University of Adelaide             Phone: 61+ 8 8303 4174       
Australia  5005      Email: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au             
Home Page: http://www.maths.adelaide.edu.au/pure/mmurray
PGP public key:
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_________________________________________________________


    



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Subject: Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
From: "Mark Guzdial" <guzdial at cc.gatech.edu>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:52:25 -0500

I'm new to all things Emacs and fink-ish, but I'm trying to learn 
Emacs for my LaTeX work since Alpha still isn't carbonized.  I miss 
the wonderful LaTeX menu in Alpha, so I've been trying to find 
something similar.  (Yes, TeXshop's LaTeX panel is lovely, but I'm 
missing having a more powerful editor than TeXshop, e.g., turning " 
into '', handling indentation levels right, etc.)

- My UNIX-using friends say that XEmacs (I've been playing with 
carbonized Emacs 21) has that kind of support.  I decide to try fink 
to get XEmacs.  "fink install xemacs" I say.  After several prompts 
to make dependency choices that I don't completely grok, I go through 
a long list of never being able to download 
xemacs-base-1.56-pkg.tar.gz from a bunch of different mirrors.

- "Lyx" says another UNIX-using friend.  That's the way to get that 
kind of support.  So I try "fink install lyx".  After another bunch 
of dependency selections that I don't grok, I get to trying to 
download xdvi-22.48.tar.gz from 
ftp://ftp.math.berkeley.edu/pub/Software/TeX/ ...which never works. 
I go to the forementioned FTP site and find that versions 49, 50, and 
51 are out there, but 48 is now long dead and gone.  How do I 
convince fink of that?  I tried doing the sudo dselect mantra 
described at http://fink.sourceforge.net, and while that gave me a 
bunch of crypto options, it didn't make xdvi any easier to load.

Is there some magic to fink that I'm not understanding?

What editors are others of you using in Mac OS X?  Anything you 
particularly recommend as being as helpful as Alpha?

Can anyone suggest some nice emacs packages for LaTeX work?  I've 
found and downloaded auctex and reftex, but don't quite understand 
the installation instructions yet.

Thanks!
  Mark

-- 
--------------------------
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Associate Professor - Learning Sciences & Technologies.
Collaborative Software Lab - http://coweb.cc.gatech.edu/csl/
(404) 894-5618 : Fax (404) 894-0673 : guzdial at cc.gatech.edu
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Fink, system-tetex, and latex2html
From: "Martin Costabel" <costabel at wanadoo.fr>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:15:52 +0100

Michael Murray wrote:

> I did get the latest CVS (if a few days back is the latest).

According to cvs log, the netpbm package was updated to the new split
scheme on 2002-02-12. This stuff is changing fast right now, and a
couple of inconsistencies are probably unavoidable, but usually this
gets sorted out rather quickly.

-- 
Martin

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
From: "Peter Erwin" <erwin at ll.iac.es>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:08:26 +0000


>What editors are others of you using in Mac OS X?  Anything you 
>particularly recommend as being as helpful as Alpha?

For what it's worth, I'm sufficiently addicted to using Alpha for 
LaTeX work (and
Python work, and ...) that I'm still using it in MacOS X.  It's 
running in Classic,
of course, but so far I haven't found that to be a big problem.  It 
can still communicate
with (Carbonized) OzTeX, so I can type Cmd-T and get the file I'm working on
TeX'd up (though sometimes I have to type it twice, since the first Cmd-T just
switches me to OzTeX).

But if you don't want to run Classic, for whatever reason, then that's not an
option, obviously.  Pepper is a possiblity, though I couldn't get 
quite as comfortable
with it as I am with Alpha.

I keep thinking there must be a way of telling Alpha to emit some Apple Events
which could (via shell commands, say) run command-line TeX, so I 
could use some-
thing other than OzTeX, if I wanted to... but I don't have the time 
to learn Tcl in
addition to Applescript and Bourne shell.

cheers,

Peter
-- 
=============================================================
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erwin at ll.iac.es               C/ Via Lactea s/n
tel. +34 922 605 244          38200 La Laguna, Tenerife, Spain

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
From: "Martin Costabel" <costabel at wanadoo.fr>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:10:20 +0100

Mark Guzdial wrote:

> - My UNIX-using friends say that XEmacs (I've been playing with
> carbonized Emacs 21) has that kind of support.  I decide to try fink
> to get XEmacs.  "fink install xemacs" I say.  After several prompts
> to make dependency choices that I don't completely grok, I go through
> a long list of never being able to download
> xemacs-base-1.56-pkg.tar.gz from a bunch of different mirrors.

Mark,

you are hitting a problem that is unavoidable with systems like Fink
that try to stay lean and fast by downloading the sources directly from
the original site:

Both the Fink developers and the users have to update their package
descriptions very frequently, because the source repositories are
changing all the time.

What you should do in your case is to update your package descriptions
for the xemacs related packages (either by using "fink selfupdate-cvs"
or from the Fink cvsweb site). The xemacs-base-pkg package is at version
1.58-1 right now.

Another possibility is to download the missing 1.56 tarball manually
from wherever you find it and put it into /sw/src. Fink will find it there.

And if you really think you found a problem with Fink itself, then
please write to one of the fink mailing lists and/or the package
maintainer ("fink info xemacs").

XEmacs as installed by Fink works great. I use it all the time to write LaTeX.

-- 
Martin

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
From: "Benji Fisher" <fisherbb at bc.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:20:57 -0500

On Monday, February 18, 2002, at 04:52 PM, Mark Guzdial wrote:

> I'm new to all things Emacs and fink-ish, but I'm trying to learn Emacs 
> for my LaTeX work since Alpha still isn't carbonized.  I miss the 
> wonderful LaTeX menu in Alpha, so I've been trying to find something 
> similar.  (Yes, TeXshop's LaTeX panel is lovely, but I'm missing having 
> a more powerful editor than TeXshop, e.g., turning " into '', handling 
> indentation levels right, etc.)
>
> - My UNIX-using friends say that XEmacs (I've been playing with 
> carbonized Emacs 21) has that kind of support.  I decide to try fink to 
> get XEmacs.  "fink install xemacs" I say.  After several prompts to 
> make dependency choices that I don't completely grok, I go through a 
> long list of never being able to download xemacs-base-1.56-pkg.tar.gz 
> from a bunch of different mirrors.
>
> - "Lyx" says another UNIX-using friend.  That's the way to get that 
> kind of support.  So I try "fink install lyx".  After another bunch of 
> dependency selections that I don't grok, I get to trying to download 
> xdvi-22.48.tar.gz from ftp://ftp.math.berkeley.edu/pub/Software/TeX/ 
> ...which never works. I go to the forementioned FTP site and find that 
> versions 49, 50, and 51 are out there, but 48 is now long dead and 
> gone.  How do I convince fink of that?  I tried doing the sudo dselect 
> mantra described at http://fink.sourceforge.net, and while that gave me 
> a bunch of crypto options, it didn't make xdvi any easier to load.
>
> Is there some magic to fink that I'm not understanding?
>
> What editors are others of you using in Mac OS X?  Anything you 
> particularly recommend as being as helpful as Alpha?
>
> Can anyone suggest some nice emacs packages for LaTeX work?  I've found 
> and downloaded auctex and reftex, but don't quite understand the 
> installation instructions yet.
>
> Thanks!
>  Mark

      Have you tried

% fink selfupdate

yet?  I am not sure if this will help, but it might; it seems that your 
problem (or at least part of it) is that your version of fink is trying 
to download old versions of some packages.

      I think that auctex is the standard LaTeX package for emacs.

      I use Vim (Vi IMproved).  I also maintain binaries for the Carbon 
version of Vim on my iDisk,
http://homepage.mac.com/fisherbb/index.html
You can also get my tex plugin there, which allows you to run tex from 
the editor, and automatically turns " into `` or ''.  Vim has syntax 
coloring for TeX and various options for automatic indenting.  If you do 
not like using different modes (which I do) then you can run Vim in 
Insert mode and do most fancy things from menus.

HTH					--Benji Fisher


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
From: "mark" <markds at mac.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:25:32 +0100 (Europe/Berlin)

  > Is there some magic to fink that I'm not understanding?

Not really. I had a nightmare of a time getting LyX to work. I got it 
more or less working in the end only to discover that it was not what I 
was looking for. I have never used Alpha so I don't know how good a 
replacement LyX is. However, there are quite a lot of fiddles to get it 
working properly. 


> What editors are others of you using in Mac OS X?  Anything you
> particularly recommend as being as helpful as Alpha?

As I say, I have never used Alpha but my two preferred solutions for 
LaTeX based work on MacOS X are Pepper with TeXShop and Scientific 
Assistant. It might be worth looking at these. 


mark.

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
From: "Raymond Brock" <brock at pa.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:09:18 -0500

HI
I love texshop, but would like an alpha-like editor. How do you force 
Pepper and Texshop to work together?

thanks,
Ray Brock

--On Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:25 PM +0100 mark <markds at mac.com> wrote:

>   > Is there some magic to fink that I'm not understanding?
>
> Not really. I had a nightmare of a time getting LyX to work. I got it
> more or less working in the end only to discover that it was not what I
> was looking for. I have never used Alpha so I don't know how good a
> replacement LyX is. However, there are quite a lot of fiddles to get it
> working properly.
>
>> What editors are others of you using in Mac OS X?  Anything you
>> particularly recommend as being as helpful as Alpha?
>
> As I say, I have never used Alpha but my two preferred solutions for
> LaTeX based work on MacOS X are Pepper with TeXShop and Scientific
> Assistant. It might be worth looking at these.
>
> mark.
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] How to get teTeX pdf mathematics read by Illustrator  X
From: "Wendy McKay" <wgm at cds.caltech.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:38:45 -0800 (PST)

Anyone wishing to report bugs in Illustrator and Acrobat related to TeX 
Fonts can submit a report at

http://www.tug.org/twg/tfaa/
to the TUG Technical Working Group for TexFonts-AdobeApps (TFAA)


Thanks,
	wendy




On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, William Adams wrote:

> Ross Moore said:
> >Illustrator 10 does not yet have that fix; so far as I'm aware.
> >Doubtless there are other differences too.
> 
> regarding Dr. Paul Fons having asked:
> >...why does Acrobat display the
> > equations correctly regardless of which typesetting variation I use?
> 
> Because Acrobat is a more contained / controlled environment, along the
> order of a PostScript interpreter / environment.
> 
> By contrast, Illustrator is a more interactive / application and hence
> more open / egalitarian and making more use of local resources (hence
> fonts), and so is less able to do / handle things like re-encode a
> typeface on the fly.
> 
> There's a movement on to work with Adobe to resolve this sort of
> incompatibility (which Ross is involved in)---I believe there'll be an
> announcement presently for a bug-tracking site / app, so save that
> source code / problem description for that.
> 
> William
> 
> --
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
From: "Enrico Franconi" <franconi at cs.man.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:02:56 +0000

emacs-20.7 is available from fink precompiled through dselect: this
means that dselect downloads and installs automatically the MacOSX
binary package.  To have all the LaTeX menus and functionalities in
emacs (far superior to those of Alpha and friends), you need to load
from emacs the macros: auctex (and its font-latex and bib-cite modes)
and reftex; auctex should be downloaded from
<http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/>.  You probably also want ispell (also
available from deselect).  
cheers
-- e.

Enrico Franconi                     - franconi at cs.man.ac.uk
University of Manchester            - http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~franconi/
Department of Computer Science      - Phone: +44 (161) 275 6170
Manchester M13 9PL, UK              - Fax:   +44 (161) 275 6204

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
From: "mark" <markds at mac.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:10:49 +0100 (Europe/Berlin)

Hi Ray,

> I love texshop, but would like an alpha-like editor. How do you force
> Pepper and Texshop to work together?

Well, my original disclaimer is very important here: "I have never used 
Alpha". No idea if Pepper is what you are after but I like it for 
editing TeX files. 


I don't force it to do anything to work with TeX Shop. I edit my input 
files in Pepper and then open them in TeXShop for previewing and output 
to PDF. 


mark.




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Subject: [ANN] iTeXMac 1.0.9
From: "jerome LAURENS" <jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:26:20 +0100


is available at
<http://www.u-bourgogne.fr/monge/j.laurens/iTeXMac/iTM-1.0.9.dmg.bin>

previous version is still at
<http://www.u-bourgogne.fr/monge/j.laurens/iTeXMac/iTM-1.0.3.dmg.bin>

Good news:
Bugs fixed in the macro editor, LaTeX panel
Background PDF rendering for Huuuuuuge files, critical
Built in text editor speed improved (no longer hide the toolbar!)
space problems fixed (still critical: maybe not all space problems!!!)

Bad news:
Some PDF viewer features have been broken for a little while due to the 
background rendering implementation (top left view became bottom left 
view).
There might be a bug when editing projects.
I missed time to make intensive tests.

if you are not too short on disk, keep the old version for a while 
renaming the new one only.


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
From: "jerome LAURENS" <jerome.laurens at u-bourgogne.fr>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:33:11 +0100


Le mardi 19 février 2002, à 06:10 PM, mark a écrit :

> Hi Ray,
>
>> I love texshop, but would like an alpha-like editor. How do you force
>> Pepper and Texshop to work together?
>
> Well, my original disclaimer is very important here: "I have never used 
> Alpha". No idea if Pepper is what you are after but I like it for 
> editing TeX files.
>
> I don't force it to do anything to work with TeX Shop. I edit my input 
> files in Pepper and then open them in TeXShop for previewing and output 
> to PDF.
>
>

You should consider using iTeXMac, things should become more 
comfortable...


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
From: "J.Huelsmann" <J.Huelsmann at tu-bs.de>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:41:37 +0100

Hi Peter.
...
>I keep thinking there must be a way of telling Alpha to emit some Apple Events
>which could (via shell commands, say) run command-line TeX, so I 
>could use some-
>thing other than OzTeX, if I wanted to... but I don't have the time 
>to learn Tcl in
>addition to Applescript and Bourne shell.
>
>cheers,
>
>Peter

You can use the perl-script atChange to do all the latex-stuff when 
the file is saved with Alpha. In Terminal.app you can type something 
like this:
atchange myfile.tex pdftex myfile.tex
and the file myfile.tex will typeset if you save it.
Look at http://www.lecb.ncifcrf.gov/~toms/atchange.html for atChange.
--Jan--

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Subject: Dutch hyphenation
From: "Martin Stokhof" <stokhof at hum.uva.nl>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:11:01 +0100

Hi,

I'm having trouble with dutch hyphenation. I installed Gerben 
Wierda's latest TexLive-teTeX distribution (through the link on the 
TeXShop home page) and observed that dutch hyphenation no longer 
worked. I checked the language.dat file, but dutch was not commented 
out (as it was not before I installed the latest version).

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance,

Martin Stokhof

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Subject: Color and itexmac
From: "Francis Dorra" <francis at dorra.nom.fr>
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1970 01:17:32 +0100


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Hi
I am trying to use color with itexmac and the standart pdf output.
My usual latex macros for color don't seem to work.
Is there a doc on using color with pdflatex or is there some body who
tried it?

Thanks


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Hi

<color><param>0000,0000,DEDE</param>I am trying to use color with
itexmac and the standart pdf output.

My usual latex macros for color don't seem to work.

Is there a doc on using color with pdflatex or is there some body who 

tried it?


Thanks


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Color and itexmac
From: "Benji Fisher" <fisherbb at bc.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:11:37 -0500

On Wednesday, December 31, 1969, at 07:17 PM, Francis Dorra wrote:

> Hi
> I am trying to use color with itexmac and the standart pdf output.
> My usual latex macros for color don't seem to work.
> Is there a doc on using color with pdflatex or is there some body who
> tried it?
>
> Thanks

      It works for me.  I used (extracting only the relevant lines)

\documentclass[notitlepage,12pt]{article}
\usepackage{amsmath,amssymb}
\usepackage{graphpap}
\usepackage[dvipsnames]{color}
\pagestyle{empty}
\begin{document}
\newcommand{\blankbox}[3]{\put(#1,#2){\colorbox#3{\framebox(1,1){}}}}
\newcommand{\hrect}[5]{\put(#1,#2){\colorbox#5{\framebox(#3,#4){$#3\times#
4$}}}}
\newcommand{\vrect}[5]{\put(#1,#2){\colorbox#5{\framebox(#3,#4)%
	{\shortstack{$#3$\\$\times$\\$#4$}}}}}

\begin{center}
\setlength{\unitlength}{1.0cm}
\begin{picture}(10,11)
   %\graphpaper[1](0,0)(10,11)
   \setlength{\fboxsep}{0pt}
   \hrect{0}{0}{10}{1}{[rgb]{1,0,0}}
   \hrect{1}{1}{8}{1}{[rgb]{1,0,0}}
   \hrect{2}{2}{6}{1}{[rgb]{1,0,0}}
   \hrect{3}{3}{4}{1}{[rgb]{1,0,0}}
   \hrect{4}{4}{2}{1}{[rgb]{1,0,0}}
   \hrect{5}{5}{1}{1}{[rgb]{1,0,0}}
   \vrect{6}{4}{1}{3}{[rgb]{1,0,0}}
   \vrect{7}{3}{1}{5}{[rgb]{1,0,0}}
   \vrect{8}{2}{1}{7}{[rgb]{1,0,0}}
   \vrect{9}{1}{1}{9}{[rgb]{1,0,0}}
   \hrect{4}{5}{1}{1}{[rgb]{0,0,1}}
   \hrect{4}{6}{2}{1}{[rgb]{0,0,1}}
   \hrect{3}{7}{4}{1}{[rgb]{0,0,1}}
   \hrect{2}{8}{6}{1}{[rgb]{0,0,1}}
   \hrect{1}{9}{8}{1}{[rgb]{0,0,1}}
   \hrect{0}{10}{10}{1}{[rgb]{0,0,1}}
   \vrect{3}{4}{1}{3}{[rgb]{0,0,1}}
   \vrect{2}{3}{1}{5}{[rgb]{0,0,1}}
   \vrect{1}{2}{1}{7}{[rgb]{0,0,1}}
   \vrect{0}{1}{1}{9}{[rgb]{0,0,1}}
\end{picture}
\end{center}
\end{document}

and you can see the results (of the full file) at
http://www2.bc.edu/~fisherbb/Classes/Fall00/MT103/pictureproof.pdf
If you want the full file, let me know.

HTH					--Benji Fisher


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Trying to get something Alpha-ish in Mac OS X
From: <W.Northcott at unsw.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:37:29 +1000

Mark wrote:

>- My UNIX-using friends say that XEmacs (I've been playing with
>carbonized Emacs 21) has that kind of support.  I decide to try fink
>to get XEmacs.  "fink install xemacs" I say.  After several prompts
>to make dependency choices that I don't completely grok, I go through
>a long list of never being able to download
>xemacs-base-1.56-pkg.tar.gz from a bunch of different mirrors.

Emacs is the Godzilla of text editors, but it is major learning exercise.
If you have not used it before get a book.  The O'Reilly one 'Learning GNU 
Emacs' is excellent.  It really is worth the effort.  The Apple Project 
Builder cannot handle GNU autoconf packages, but emacs makes an excellent 
IDE for such things.

Secondly there is no point stuffing about with different versions.
The architecture dependent part of emacs is an execution environment for 
the Lisp programming language.  That is all it does.  All the actual 
useful functionality editing, mail, web browsing etc. comes from bundles 
of Lisp code which are architecture independent.  It makes almost no 
difference if you execute this code in a command line emacs, a basic emacs 
under X windows, Xemacs or one of the Carbonised Quartz emacs.  The only 
difference is the GUI or lack of it.  Since you are running OS X, get the 
new Carbonised Emacs 21.1.

If you look inside Emacs 21.1 package  Emacs/Contents/MacOS you will see 
the emacs engine and a number of directories including 'lisp' and 
'site-lisp'.  These contain the Lisp code.

If you go to the main GNUemacs web site, you will find links to huge 
repositories of Lisp code to add every function conceivable from Tex to 
Objective-C class browsers.  Once you get the idea, you use Lisp to write 
your own extensions.

Bill Northcott

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Subject: TeXLive-teTeX updated
From: "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:27:30 +0100

I have updated the TeX Live (programs) + teTeX (texmf tree) distribution.

The following are all equivalent at this moment:

ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/tex-gs/TeX.dmg
ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/tex-gs/TeXLive-teTeX.dmg
ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/tex-
gs/TeXLive-20020219-teTeX-texmf-beta-20020129.dmg
ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/tex-
gs/TeXLive-20020219-teTeX-texmf-beta-20020129-2002-02-19-16-34-23.dmg

The size is 55MB.

Changes:
- Synced with TeX Live repository @2002/02/19:09:00:00
   New pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.7) 3.14159-1.00b-pretest-20020211
- Rewritten epstopdf eol-handling at request
   release: epstopdf 2.8draft (experimental)
- Removed knowledge abour Ttbbold.map and wolfram.map from altpdftex. To 
use
   those map files, call altpdftex with
         --extradviopts "-u +Ttbbold.map -u wolfram.map"
- More copies instead of symlinks (for direct running from CD or any fs 
that does not support symlinks)
- Increased hash_extra from 0 to 30000

There is no direct need to upgrade (unless you want to stay on the 
bleeding edge). However, I would like to see some upgrades just for 
testing (both of the TeX Live stuff as well as my new epstopdf).

G

Note that it is always best to download form the ftp site. Copies on 
other sites may or may not have been updated.


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