MacOSX-TeX Digest #233 - 02/10/02

Sun Feb 10 20:00:01 EST 2002

MacOSX-TeX Digest #233 - Sunday, February 10, 2002

  Re: huge digests full of dreck
          by "david craig" <dac at panix.com>
  cocoAspell
          by "Karl Rubin" <rubin at math.Stanford.EDU>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] cocoAspell
          by "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
  Re: eps drawings (Mac OS X)
          by "Paulo Abreu" <paulotex at yahoo.com>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] cocoAspell
          by "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] cocoAspell
          by "William McCallum" <mccallumwilliam at qwest.net>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] cocoAspell
          by "William McCallum" <mccallumwilliam at qwest.net>
  Re: Bib Managers under OS X
          by "J.Huelsmann" <J.Huelsmann at tu-bs.de>
  New TeXLive-teTeX release (minor changes)
          by "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New TeXLive-teTeX release (minor changes)
          by "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New TeXLive-teTeX release (minor changes)
          by "Benji Fisher" <benji at e-math.AMS.org>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] cocoAspell
          by "Martin Stokhof" <stokhof at hum.uva.nl>
  TeX Live vs teTeX
          by "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] cocoAspell
          by "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>

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Subject: Re: huge digests full of dreck
From: "david craig" <dac at panix.com>
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:45:43 -0500 (EST)

Just so Johann's not feeling all alone, I gotta back him up on this one.

David Craig

<http://www.panix.com/~dac/>

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Subject: cocoAspell
From: "Karl Rubin" <rubin at math.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:18:56 -0800

I don't seem to understand how to use cocoAspell.  I followed the
installation instructions, and I checked the "TeX" filter in the
preference panel.  I logged out, logged in again, etc.  In the
"spelling" dialog I have a choice of "English (Apple)" or "English
(Aspell)", and I choose "English (Aspell)".

But when I edit a document in TeXShop, it still flags TeX commands
as misspellings.  What else should I be doing to get it to ignore
those?  "top" shows that cocoAspell is running, and the TeX filter
(and no others) is definitely checked in the preference panel.

Thanks.

Karl Rubin

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] cocoAspell
From: "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:35:14 +1030

>I don't seem to understand how to use cocoAspell.  I followed the
>installation instructions, and I checked the "TeX" filter in the
>preference panel.  I logged out, logged in again, etc.  In the
>"spelling" dialog I have a choice of "English (Apple)" or "English
>(Aspell)", and I choose "English (Aspell)".
>
>But when I edit a document in TeXShop, it still flags TeX commands
>as misspellings.  What else should I be doing to get it to ignore
>those?  "top" shows that cocoAspell is running, and the TeX filter
>(and no others) is definitely checked in the preference panel.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Karl Rubin
>

Mine seems to be OK. Whats an example of a tex command it doesn't like?
I'll check it on mine.

Michael

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Subject: Re: eps drawings (Mac OS X)
From: "Paulo Abreu" <paulotex at yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:14:10 +0000

>
>What are OS X'ers using to produce eps drawings?
>
>Ted Rogers

Beware of Illustrator. The Eps it creates don't work with psfrag. I am very happy
with the Student's edition of macromedia's Freehand 10, although it only
imports eps it created. To import other eps, I have to convert it to
pdf. I really must try the omnigraffle, I've heard a lot about it!

Paulo

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] cocoAspell
From: "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:15:33 -0500

On 2/10/02 2:05 AM, "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au> wrote:

>> I don't seem to understand how to use cocoAspell.  I followed the
>> installation instructions, and I checked the "TeX" filter in the
>> preference panel.  I logged out, logged in again, etc.  In the
>> "spelling" dialog I have a choice of "English (Apple)" or "English
>> (Aspell)", and I choose "English (Aspell)".
>> 
>> But when I edit a document in TeXShop, it still flags TeX commands
>> as misspellings.  What else should I be doing to get it to ignore
>> those?  "top" shows that cocoAspell is running, and the TeX filter
>> (and no others) is definitely checked in the preference panel.
> 
> Mine seems to be OK. Whats an example of a tex command it doesn't like?
> I'll check it on mine.

It is doing the same thing to me. For example, it doesn't know:

\emph or \textbf

amongst many others.

Are we doing something wrong?

-- 
Gary L. Gray

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] cocoAspell
From: "William McCallum" <mccallumwilliam at qwest.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:22:03 -0700

I initially thought by cocoAspell wasn't working also, but it seems that 
it simply has a very limited dictionary. It accepts \begin, \end, and 
\log, for example, but underlines \documentclass and \usepackage. Maybe 
it's designed for older versions of latex? No, it doesn't accept
\documentstyle either. At any rate, I would prefer a spell checker that 
simply ignored all command sequences.

Regards,
		Bill McCallum

On Sunday, February 10, 2002, at 12:05  AM, Michael Murray wrote:
>

> Mine seems to be OK. Whats an example of a tex command it doesn't like?
> I'll check it on mine.
>

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] cocoAspell
From: "William McCallum" <mccallumwilliam at qwest.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:24:50 -0700

O.K., duh, I figured it out. It's just ignoring the backslash and 
treating the word as if it were a normal English word.

Bill

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Subject: Re: Bib Managers under OS X
From: "J.Huelsmann" <J.Huelsmann at tu-bs.de>
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:00:50 +0100

<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
<html><head><style type="text/css"><!--
blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { padding-top: 0 ; padding-bottom: 0 }
 --></style><title>Re: Bib Managers under OS X</title></head><body>
<div>There was the<font color="#000000"> Bibliography</font>.app out,
but the author H. Giesen rejected it. He´s working on a new version
called Bib_X. I hope it will be ready soon.</div>
<div>This is the readMe of a very-pre-alpha-version he sent me a few
weeks ago:</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote><font color="#000000">This program Bib_X
(X=e<b>X</b>perimental for MacOS<b> X</b>) is nearly
useless.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000000">But it is a first try
to:</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000000">- read a bib -
file</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000000">- scan the file and detect syntax
errors without crashing</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000000">- show all bibtex - entries (in
different ways):</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font
color="#000000"><x-tab>       
</x-tab>* view1: shows the colored input and the original
input</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font
color="#000000"><x-tab>       
</x-tab>* view2: shows the "classical"
NSForm</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font
color="#000000"><x-tab>       
</x-tab>* view3: the formular cells (NSForm) are of different
(appropiate) heights</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font
color="#000000"><x-tab>       
</x-tab
>            
or they are shown as boxes.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000000">- it shall show some ideas of the
user interface</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000000">- you cannot make any changes to the
input file (in this state it is too dangerous)</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000000">for comments you are welcome
:</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font
color="#000000"><x-tab>       
</x-tab>giesenH at acm.org</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000000">best regards</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font
color="#000000"><x-tab>       
</x-tab>Heinrich Giesen</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<div>--Jan--</div>
</body>
</html>

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Subject: New TeXLive-teTeX release (minor changes)
From: "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:11:15 +0100

A new TeXLive-teTeX release for Mac OS X is available. This differs from 
the previous release as follows:
	- TeX Live binaries updated to source.development @ 2002/02/04:22:40
		This means:
		- a very up-to-date pdfTex: 3.14159-1.00b-pretest-20020204
		- dvi2tty is now available
	- The texmf tree is equivalent to the one in the previous 
TeXLive-teTeX release.

It can be downloaded as (take your pick, at this moment they are all the 
same):

	ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/TeX.dmg
	ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/TeXLive-teTeX.dmg
	ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/TeXLive-20020204-teTeX-texmf-beta-20020129.
dmg
	ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/TeXLive-20020204-teTeX-texmf-beta-20020129-2002-02-10-14-00-56.
dmg

If you download one of the latter and the name is being chopped, you are 
downloading to a filesystem with filename length limitations. Take one 
of the former instead.

People who maintain links to my distribution (e.g. frontend developers) 
should link to one of the following:

	ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/TeX.dmg (is whatever I am using, 
one of the following:)
	ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/TeXLive-teTeX.dmg (TeXLive 
programs, teTeX texmf tree)
	ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/teTeX-teTeX.dmg (teTeX programs, 
teTeX texmf tree)

where TeX.dmg is the preferred link.

G

PS. Except in the case of serious bugs or major updates to TeXLive or 
teTeX, I want to keep the update regime quiet for a while.

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New TeXLive-teTeX release (minor changes)
From: "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:27:32 -0500

On 2/10/02 3:11 PM, "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl> wrote:

> People who maintain links to my distribution (e.g. frontend developers)
> should link to one of the following:
> 
> ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/TeX.dmg (is whatever I am using,
> one of the following:)
> ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/TeXLive-teTeX.dmg (TeXLive
> programs, teTeX texmf tree)
> ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/teTeX-teTeX.dmg (teTeX programs,
> teTeX texmf tree)
> 
> where TeX.dmg is the preferred link.

Gerben (or anyone else who can help),

Maybe this is a good time ask the following question: what exactly is the
difference between "TeXLive programs, teTeX texmf tree" and "teTeX programs,
teTeX texmf tree"? My current installation is your previous TeXLive
distribution and before that I was using one of the early December releases
of your teTeX distribution. I saw no noticeable difference between these in
my day-to-day use. Do you have any recommendations as to the distribution
different types of users should be using? Should I always be using TeXLive
because it is "the future"?

Thank you again for your amazing efforts.

All the best,
-- 
Gary L. Gray

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New TeXLive-teTeX release (minor changes)
From: "Benji Fisher" <benji at e-math.AMS.org>
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:57:05 -0500

"Gary L. Gray" wrote:
> 
> On 2/10/02 3:11 PM, "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl> wrote:
> 
> > People who maintain links to my distribution (e.g. frontend developers)
> > should link to one of the following:
> >
> > ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/TeX.dmg (is whatever I am using,
> > one of the following:)
> > ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/TeXLive-teTeX.dmg (TeXLive
> > programs, teTeX texmf tree)
> > ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/teTeX-teTeX.dmg (teTeX programs,
> > teTeX texmf tree)
> >
> > where TeX.dmg is the preferred link.
> 
> Gerben (or anyone else who can help),
> 
> Maybe this is a good time ask the following question: what exactly is the
> difference between "TeXLive programs, teTeX texmf tree" and "teTeX programs,
> teTeX texmf tree"? My current installation is your previous TeXLive
> distribution and before that I was using one of the early December releases
> of your teTeX distribution. I saw no noticeable difference between these in
> my day-to-day use. Do you have any recommendations as to the distribution
> different types of users should be using? Should I always be using TeXLive
> because it is "the future"?
> 
> Thank you again for your amazing efforts.
> 
> All the best,
> --
> Gary L. Gray

     The difference between TeXLive and teTeX is that the former comes from
the TeX Live CD put out by the TeX Users' Group (TUG) and the latter is the
distribution put together by Thomas Esser (hence the "te" part).  TeXLive is
more up to date and complete, and teTeX is more stable and has been tested to
avoid conflicts between the different components.  I cannot give any more
detail than that.

     The recommendation is easy:  use TeX.dmg unless you know and care about
the difference between TeXLive and teTeX.  This is a link to Gerben Wierda's
suggestion for most users, and it is the one he is currently using.

HTH					--Benji Fisher

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] cocoAspell
From: "Martin Stokhof" <stokhof at hum.uva.nl>
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:58:22 +0100

At 11:15 -0500 on 10/02/02, Gary L. Gray wrote:
>It is doing the same thing to me. For example, it doesn't know:
>
>\emph or \textbf
>
>amongst many others.
Works for me.
I followed the instructions. The first time, after the required 
logout-login, TexShop complained that it could not locate the spell 
checker. After a restart, however, everything worked fine. I checked 
the examples mentioned, but they are ignored as they should. Strange.

Martin Stokhof

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Subject: TeX Live vs teTeX
From: "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:36:03 +0100

On Sunday, February 10, 2002, at 09:57 , Benji Fisher wrote:

>      The difference between TeXLive and teTeX is that the former comes 
> from
> the TeX Live CD put out by the TeX Users' Group (TUG) and the latter is 
> the
> distribution put together by Thomas Esser (hence the "te" part).  
> TeXLive is
> more up to date and complete, and teTeX is more stable and has been 
> tested to
> avoid conflicts between the different components.  I cannot give any 
> more
> detail than that.

Close. The distribution I make does not come from a TeX Live CD. These 
CD's are created once in a while and the current one is over 6 months 
old afaik. I tap directly into the TeX Live source repository. We might 
expect a new TeX Live CD somewhere in the summer. TeX Live has a source 
and a source.development repository, and I tap into the latter at 
moments that the maintainer says that it is stable. pdfTeX is officially 
synchronized with this repositpry, which means that TeX Live is *the* 
place for an up to date pdfTeX (pretty important for the Mac OS X, where 
PDF is king and X11 is normally unavailable). Different people maintain 
different parts of TeX Live and not all of them have time to work on it 
all the time.

TeX Live also has a texmf tree repository which is 500MB in size, 
obviously too large for a distribution I create.

Thomas pays close attention to the fact that his distribution has to run 
on *every* unix out there. This also implies he is often bound to a 
lowest common denominator (e.g. for /bin/sh functionality). He also has 
design goals for his distribution (e.g. single places for certain 
configs, like type1 font map files). Thomas' goals make his distribution 
less rich (e.g. dvipdfm is missing) but it is easier to maintain.

Thomas also maintains an *excellent* texmf tree which has a reasonable 
size, so this is what I use for the texmf tree (to which I add a bit in 
a separate tree).

To make matters a bit more complex, Thomas' draws from TeXLive for the 
programs and TeX Live draws form Thomas for suport programs and scripts. 
There are some differences, but not many. However, because all players 
had a lack of available time, things have separated a bit on the support 
script stuff and such, but recently there have been positive 
developments in that area (also prompted by Mac OS X). All in all, the 
differences for most users (certainly non-sysadmin type users) between 
both releases are small. One big difference: TeX Live is designed such 
that one can run it from the CD (e.g. no symlinks).

Thomas' last official programs-release is pretty old. Even the last beta 
used to be pretty old (2000). However, recently there have been some 
developments in both teTeX (which is progressing to a new release --- 
the latest beta is pretty close) and TeX Live (which is working towards 
a new CD release). I am trying to make sure both compile and install 
'out of the box' on Mac OS X (and matters have improved a lot lately, 
most of the work in that area is complete).

As far as preferred use is concerned, I'd like people to use the latest 
releases. That way errors are caught while we still are in a phase 
before an official release of teTeX or TeX Live.

It is my goal to make sure that the next release of both teTeX and TeX 
Live are completely 'it just works' on Mac OS X.

G

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] cocoAspell
From: "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:17:54 +1030

>At 11:15 -0500 on 10/02/02, Gary L. Gray wrote:
>>It is doing the same thing to me. For example, it doesn't know:
>>
>>\emph or \textbf
>>
>>amongst many others.
>Works for me.
>I followed the instructions. The first time, after the required 
>logout-login, TexShop complained that it could not locate the spell 
>checker. After a restart, however, everything worked fine. I checked 
>the examples mentioned, but they are ignored as they should. Strange.
>
>Martin Stokhof
>

Hhm thats strange. So at the moment we have some people who get told
that

\emph and \textbf

are mispelt and some who get them ignored. Is that right ?

I find that the following misspelt

\emph

\textbf

\frod

but the following are OK

\fred

\space

\section

I agree with Bill McCallum - it seems to be just deleting the
\ and looking for the word in the dictionary. Does anyone know
if thats right?

Michael
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