# MacOSX-TeX Digest #261 - 03/12/02

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MacOSX-TeX Digest #261 - Tuesday, March 12, 2002

Re: [OS X TeX] How to Insert Graphics Using TeXShop?
by "Zachary Davis" <zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu>
Re: [OS X TeX] How to Insert Graphics Using TeXShop?
by "Fredrik Wallenberg" <fwallenberg at mac.com>
Re: [OS X TeX] How to Insert Graphics Using TeXShop?
by "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
Re: [OS X TeX] How to Insert Graphics Using TeXShop?
by "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
Re: [OS X TeX] How to Insert Graphics Using TeXShop?
by "Siep" <siepo at cybercomm.nl>
Re: praise --- and three humble fine-tuning suggestions
by "Paulo Abreu" <paulotex at yahoo.com>
teTeX does not run on OS X
by "C. Dube" <cdube at zentr-verw.uni-kiel.de>
Re: [OS X TeX] How to Insert Graphics Using TeXShop?
by "Berndt Farwer" <farwer at informatik.uni-hamburg.de>
Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
by "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
by "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
Re: [OS X TeX] Problems with Babel package.
by "Tore Haug-Warberg" <haugwarb at chembio.ntnu.no>
Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
by <lcnlmmns at ruca.ua.ac.be>
Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
by "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
--dvipsopts "-Ppdf"
by "Joachim Kock" <kock at math.unice.fr>
Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
by "C. Dube" <cdube at zentr-verw.uni-kiel.de>
How do I instal Mathtime fonts?
by "Tore Haug-Warberg" <haugwarb at chembio.ntnu.no>
Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
by "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
by "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?
by "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
by "Bruno Voisin" <Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr>
Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?
by "Bruno Voisin" <Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr>
Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?
by "Bruno Voisin" <Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr>
Re: [OS X TeX] Off-topic PS and Terminal questions
by "Bruno Voisin" <Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr>
TeXShop's preview of PDF files
by "Bruno Voisin" <Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr>
Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?
by "Tore Haug-Warberg" <haugwarb at chembio.ntnu.no>
Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?
by "Peter Erwin" <erwin at ll.iac.es>
Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?
by "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Mathpazo [was Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?]
by "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Re: Mathpazo [was Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?]
by "Peter Erwin" <erwin at ll.iac.es>

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How to Insert Graphics Using TeXShop?
From: "Zachary Davis" <zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu>
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:19:54 -0600

Ross,

Thanks, for the advice you provided.  A lot of what you offered isn't
something you can find in books, but greatly aids in typesetting a
document.  I still seem to be getting some floats where I would rather
they not be.  I have some figures that are placed at the end of the
document even after new sections have been declared.  All of the figures
in my document have been declared as suggested:

\begin{figure}[h]
\centering
\includegraphics{filename.eps}
\caption{figure caption here}
\label{fig-label}
\end{figure}

Unfortunately, the [h] label didn't seem to place the floats where they
were declared in the source file, and kept skipping over segments of
text (complete sections) until they were placed in the next free page.
I've tried adjusting the spacing between floats on a page, the
textwidth, textheight, etc. to see what I could control by altering
each.  However, the placement of figures is still less than would be
desired.

It would seem to me that one would be able to have a bit more control
over the placement of figures in LaTeX documents.  Manually placing each
figures using the coordinate control sequence seems a bit confusing to
me, and I'm not sure it will help matters much.  Perhaps, I just haven't
mastered enough of the mark-up language to have the control over objects
in a document that I desire.  Anyway, I appreciate all of your help.

========================================================
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University of Texas at Arlington
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How to Insert Graphics Using TeXShop?
From: "Fredrik Wallenberg" <fwallenberg at mac.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:13:45 -0800

--Apple-Mail-3--1059080605
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=US-ASCII;
format=flowed

Inserting

\clearpage

will create a page dedicated to floats. This is a good way to "catch up"
if you want them close to where the reference occurs in your text.

Fredrik

On Monday, March 11, 2002, at 05:19 PM, Zachary Davis wrote:

> Unfortunately, the [h] label didn't seem to place the floats where they
> were declared in the source file, and kept skipping over segments of
> text (complete sections) until they were placed in the next free page.
> I've tried adjusting the spacing between floats on a page, the
> textwidth, textheight, etc. to see what I could control by altering
> each.  However, the placement of figures is still less than would be
> desired.

--Apple-Mail-3--1059080605
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/enriched;
charset=US-ASCII

Inserting

\clearpage

will create a page dedicated to floats. This is a good way to "catch
up" if you want them close to where the reference occurs in your text.

Fredrik

On Monday, March 11, 2002, at 05:19 PM, Zachary Davis wrote:

<excerpt><fixed>Unfortunately, the [h] label didn't seem to place the
floats where they were declared in the source file, and kept skipping
over segments of text (complete sections) until they were placed in
the next free page.  I've tried adjusting the spacing between floats
on a page, the textwidth, textheight, etc. to see what I could control
by altering each.  However, the placement of figures is still less
than would be desired.

</fixed></excerpt>
--Apple-Mail-3--1059080605--

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How to Insert Graphics Using TeXShop?
From: "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:58:23 -0500

On 3/11/02 2:50 AM, "Ross Moore" <ross at ics.mq.edu.au> wrote:

> Putting the \label inside the caption works, sort-of.
> It's better conceptually to put it afterwards, since the \label
> is not actually a part of the caption itself:
>
> \caption{Here is my figure.}\label{pulleykin}
>
> Also, it's better to *not* use numbering within label identifiers.
> You may later choose to re-order the sections/chapters of your document,
> or to add new figures  within existing sections,
> which would then require you to change all the labels
> and any \ref commands pointing to those \label s.
>
> It is *much* better to choose a descriptor that is
> associated with the contents of the figure.
> That way you can refer to it easily:
> in your mind: "that picture about pulleys and their kinematics"
> in LaTeX:  \ref{pulleykin}
>
>
>>> \end{figure}
>>> \end{document}
>>>
>>> instead of what you had. In addition, notice that the \label should go
>>> *inside* the caption to avoid potential problems with references.
>
> What problems do you refer to, Gary ?
> Certainly the \label must come *after* the \caption ,
> for numbering and hyperlinking to work.
> Putting it *inside* the \caption's argument is still after the \caption,
> but this means that it will be written into the .toc file,
> and be expanded when the Table-Of-Contents is constructed.
> (This is redundant, and risks errors with badly written macros.)

Ross,

I wish I could find the example in which this occurred, but I have had \ref
commands give me the wrong figure number (off by one -- I don't remember in
which direction) when the \label was outside and after the \caption command.
I have never had problems when including the \label inside the \caption
command. In fact, I noticed this evening that Kopka and Daly recommend this.

-- Gary

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How to Insert Graphics Using TeXShop?
From: "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:13:49 -0500

On 3/11/02 8:19 PM, "Zachary Davis" <zsd3711 at gamma2.uta.edu> wrote:

> Thanks, for the advice you provided.  A lot of what you offered isn't
> something you can find in books, but greatly aids in typesetting a
> document.  I still seem to be getting some floats where I would rather
> they not be.  I have some figures that are placed at the end of the
> document even after new sections have been declared.  All of the figures
> in my document have been declared as suggested:
>
> \begin{figure}[h]
> \centering
> \includegraphics{filename.eps}
> \caption{figure caption here}
> \label{fig-label}
> \end{figure}

I still think that the \label should be placed inside the caption. :-)

> Unfortunately, the [h] label didn't seem to place the floats where they
> were declared in the source file, and kept skipping over segments of
> text (complete sections) until they were placed in the next free page.
> I've tried adjusting the spacing between floats on a page, the
> textwidth, textheight, etc. to see what I could control by altering
> each.  However, the placement of figures is still less than would be
> desired.

First of all, I recommend Kopka and Daly's "A Guide to LaTeX," 3rd Edition,

You can do a couple of things to help with figure placement:

[1] Allow figures to appear the top or bottom of a page using the t and b
options, respectively. In addition, the ! used in combination with one of
the letter options (i.e., h, t, b, and/or p) essentially tells LaTeX that
you insist that it put the figure where you want. :-)

[2] Alter some of the style parameters for floats. For example:

\renewcommand{\floatpagefraction}{0.85}
\renewcommand{\topfraction}{0.85}
\renewcommand{\bottomfraction}{0.85}
\renewcommand{\textfraction}{0.15}

should help.

Good luck,

-- Gary

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How to Insert Graphics Using TeXShop?
From: "Siep" <siepo at cybercomm.nl>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:22:01 +0100

On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 22:31:40 -0500
"Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu> wrote:

>
> instead of what you had. In addition, notice that the \label should go
> *inside* the caption to avoid potential problems with references.
>

Some classfiles don't allow this. If TeX commands within a caption give
trouble, you can add an optional caption in square brackets containing a
caption without the label or other troublesome TeX commands:

\caption[Simple text]{Text with \label{...}}

As to figure placement: something to watch out for: if LaTeX thinks a
figure is too large then it, and all subsequent figures, will float to the
end.

Siep

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Subject: Re: praise --- and three humble fine-tuning suggestions
From: "Paulo Abreu" <paulotex at yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:23:41 +0000

>   1: when 'opening' a .tex file, TeXShop should tex it before showing its
>   pdf.  This seems logical: if the user chooses to open a tex file and not
>   the pdf file next to it, then the intention most probably is to have it
>   tex'ed, not to see an outdated pdf version of the document.  (Or worse: a
>   blank page.)

No, no, no: when I open a .tex file, I want to open a .tex file, period.
I don't want TeXshop to process it. If I want to open a pdf file, I open
a pdf file. If I want to process a tex file, I press the LaTeX button in
TeXshop. Please, no action behind my back. Right now, I am working on a
1000 page book. I don't want TeXshop to process it each time I open the
main .tex file.

Paulo

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Subject: teTeX does not run on OS X
From: "C. Dube" <cdube at zentr-verw.uni-kiel.de>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:51:43 +0100

Hi,

I've installed the latest teTeX-Version on OS 10.1.3 but it does not
run. If I press the
Latex-Button in TeXShop, I get the following message:

"This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-1.00b-pretest-20020211 (Web2c 7.3.7)
(Fatal format file error; I'm stymied)"

Gerben told me to uninstall my teTeX and than reinstall it. I did so,
but it did not help anyway. After the installation I always get the
message that the installer was unable to create all *.ini-files like
pdftex.ini etc.

Because I am not used to unix I do not know what to do.

Maybe there is someone who can?

Thank you,

Christian

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How to Insert Graphics Using TeXShop?
From: "Berndt Farwer" <farwer at informatik.uni-hamburg.de>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:31:38 +0100

To force the placement of figures to the [h] position you can include
\usepackage{here} in your header and then use the placement option [H].
This workes for me ...

Berndt

On Dienstag, März 12, 2002, at 02:19 , Zachary Davis wrote:

> Unfortunately, the [h] label didn't seem to place the floats where they
> were declared in the source file, and kept skipping over segments of
> text (complete sections) until they were placed in the next free page.
> I've tried adjusting the spacing between floats on a page, the
> textwidth, textheight, etc. to see what I could control by altering
> each.  However, the placement of figures is still less than would be
> desired.
>

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
From: "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:48:48 +1030

>Hi,
>
>I've installed the latest teTeX-Version on OS 10.1.3 but it does not
>run. If I press the
>Latex-Button in TeXShop, I get the following message:
>
>"This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-1.00b-pretest-20020211 (Web2c 7.3.7)
>(Fatal format file error; I'm stymied)"
>
>Gerben told me to uninstall my teTeX and than reinstall it. I did so,
>but it did not help anyway. After the installation I always get the
>message that the installer was unable to create all *.ini-files like
>pdftex.ini etc.
>
>Because I am not used to unix I do not know what to do.
>
>Maybe there is someone who can?
>
>Thank you,
>
>Christian
>

I imagine Gerben has asked you this but have you
installed anything from Fink ?   Anything else UNIXy ?

Can you post the error here ?  Maybe also  open up Terminal (in
Applications/Utilities) and do

more /var/log/TeXGSInstaller.log

I get

mycomputer% more /var/log/TeXGSInstaller.log
Mon Jan 28 13:07:19 CST 2002: Starting GS Installation from 2002-01-24-21-04-29
Mon Jan 28 13:07:25 CST 2002: Finished GS Installation from 2002-01-24-21-04-29
Mon Jan 28 13:07:37 CST 2002: Starting TeX Installation from
2002-01-24-21-04-29
Mon Jan 28 13:09:45 CST 2002: Initializing TeX Installation from
2002-01-24-21-04-29
Mon Jan 28 13:11:10 CST 2002: Finished TeX Installation from
2002-01-24-21-04-29
Mon Feb 11 19:17:50 CST 2002: Starting GS Installation from 2002-02-10-14-00-56
Mon Feb 11 19:17:57 CST 2002: Finished GS Installation from 2002-02-10-14-00-56
Mon Feb 11 19:18:04 CST 2002: Starting TeX Installation from
2002-02-10-14-00-56
Mon Feb 11 19:21:24 CST 2002: Initializing TeX Installation from
2002-02-10-14-00-56
Mon Feb 11 19:22:47 CST 2002: Finished TeX Installation from
2002-02-10-14-00-56

If there are any errors in there can you cut and paste them into an
email and post them here  as well ?

-- Michael

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
From: "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:32:46 +0100

The first thing you can do is not complain to the llist while I am still
trying to help you off line and spend time trying to remotely find out
how your system got screwed up (I get roughly one such a problem each
month, so far it has always been something that has nothing to do with
the TeX installer, like people editing stuff in Netinfo or installing
other software or the like. I go to some lengths helping these people,
mainly to be sure that it is not the installer that is at fault. If the
installer is at fault, I immediately release a fix).

Having said that, I am beginning to supsect that your .fmt and .efmt
files have ended up elsewhere for some reason or there is a combvination
of that with permissions. If you want further help from me, contact me
off list.

G

On Tuesday, March 12, 2002, at 08:51 , C. Dube wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've installed the latest teTeX-Version on OS 10.1.3 but it does not
> run. If I press the
> Latex-Button in TeXShop, I get the following message:
>
> "This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-1.00b-pretest-20020211 (Web2c 7.3.7)
> (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied)"
>
> Gerben told me to uninstall my teTeX and than reinstall it. I did so,
> but it did not help anyway. After the installation I always get the
> message that the installer was unable to create all *.ini-files like
> pdftex.ini etc.
>
> Because I am not used to unix I do not know what to do.
>
> Maybe there is someone who can?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Christian
>
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Problems with Babel package.
From: "Tore Haug-Warberg" <haugwarb at chembio.ntnu.no>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:48:33 +0100

Last remark on Babel:

Thanks Gerben (and you too Bruno) for your suggestions. I should of course
have read the "teTeX Manual" written by Thomas Esser before posting my
question (to other guys like me: we should do this before posting to this
list). In Chapter 2.5 on p.10 he points out the commands required to
maintain a healthy teTeX configuration.

Tore.

At 05:29 PM 3/11/02 +0100, Gerben Wierda wrote:

>On Monday, March 11, 2002, at 04:45 , Tore Haug-Warberg wrote:
>
>>Your remarks make perfectly sense, I should indeed make no changes to the
>>teTeX distribution, but I've tried every option (including the one posted
>>where I really did change the "language.dat" in a terminal window).
>>However, what do you mean by "recompile your LaTeX format"? This is maybe
>>a stupid question, but coming from a Windows world your term is new to me.
>
>run
>
>         texconfig init
>
>or
>
>         fmtutil --all
>
>from the command line.
>
>G
>
>
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
From: <lcnlmmns at ruca.ua.ac.be>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:57:33 +0100

Hi,

I have the same problem as C. Dube with Texshop (but I work around by
asking to process in TEX and Ghostscript in stead of in  pdftex). This
refusal to recognise pdftex occurred indeed first after upgrading TeTex
to the version of 22/02 (during the installation some other things went
wrong especially with fonts) I did not solve any of the font problems
yet--> computer modern only.
It is interesting to know that in iTexMac the problem does not occur
when altpdflatex is chosen but there it occurs also when pdflatex is
chosen, therefore I assume that somewhere in the distribution both
formats (pdftex and pdflatex) got mixed up.
Gerben Wierda heeft op dinsdag 12 maart 2002 om 09:32 het volgende
geschreven:

> The first thing you can do is not complain to the llist while I am
> still trying to help you off line and spend time trying to remotely
> find out how your system got screwed up (I get roughly one such a
> problem each month, so far it has always been something that has
> nothing to do with the TeX installer, like people editing stuff in
> Netinfo or installing other software or the like. I go to some lengths
> helping these people, mainly to be sure that it is not the installer
> that is at fault. If the installer is at fault, I immediately release a
> fix).
>
> Having said that, I am beginning to supsect that your .fmt and .efmt
> files have ended up elsewhere for some reason or there is a
> combvination of that with permissions. If you want further help from
> me, contact me off list.
>
> G
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2002, at 08:51 , C. Dube wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've installed the latest teTeX-Version on OS 10.1.3 but it does not
>> run. If I press the
>> Latex-Button in TeXShop, I get the following message:
>>
>> "This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-1.00b-pretest-20020211 (Web2c 7.3.7)
>> (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied)"
>>
>> Gerben told me to uninstall my teTeX and than reinstall it. I did so,
>> but it did not help anyway. After the installation I always get the
>> message that the installer was unable to create all *.ini-files like
>> pdftex.ini etc.
>>
>> Because I am not used to unix I do not know what to do.
>>
>> Maybe there is someone who can?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Christian
>>
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
From: "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:33:14 +1030

>Hi,
>
>I have the same problem as C. Dube with Texshop (but I work around
>by asking to process in TEX and Ghostscript in stead of in  pdftex).
>This refusal to recognise pdftex occurred indeed first after
>upgrading TeTex to the version of 22/02 (during the installation
>some other things went wrong especially with fonts) I did not solve
>any of the font problems yet--> computer modern only.
>It is interesting to know that in iTexMac the problem does not occur
>when altpdflatex is chosen but there it occurs also when pdflatex is
>chosen, therefore I assume that somewhere in the distribution both
>formats (pdftex and pdflatex) got mixed up.

I had this problem awhile ago and it was a permissions thing. Try
going into Terminal and typing
"pdflatex file.tex"  where file.tex is something you want to tex in
your home directory.  See what it
says.

I didn't have the same problem as C. Dube as the installer didn't
complain -- it was just something I had done
at some stage that screwed the permissions.

Michael

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3696
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Subject: --dvipsopts "-Ppdf"
From: "Joachim Kock" <kock at math.unice.fr>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:06:10 +0100

Hello,

a very minor issue:
the new version of TeXShop uses the option   --dvipsopts "-Ppdf"
to altpdflatex.  On run, this option gives about 30 warnings like this:

Warning: module writet1 of dvips (file rsfs10.pfb): character 27
is mapped to .notdef

which I don't get when running without the option...

Since I don't see any difference in the resulting pdf file, I was
tempted to turn the option off, just to get rid of those warnings,
but I thought I would raise the question to the list: what does the
warning mean?  Is it something to care about?

(I have looked in texmf/dvips/config/config.pdf without finding any
clue...)

Joachim.

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
From: "C. Dube" <cdube at zentr-verw.uni-kiel.de>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:18:28 +0100

> Hi,
>
> I have the same problem as C. Dube with Texshop (but I work around by
> asking to process in TEX and Ghostscript in stead of in  pdftex).

If I do so (TeX and Ghostscript) there are lots of missing fonts in my
pdf-document (whether it is pdf or not).

To Michael:

This is the message I'll get, if I type "pdflatex file.tex"
> >> "This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-1.00b-pretest-20020211 (Web2c 7.3.7)
> >> (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied)"

Bye,
Christian

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Subject: How do I instal Mathtime fonts?
From: "Tore Haug-Warberg" <haugwarb at chembio.ntnu.no>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:38:14 +0100

Hi!

I just tried to typeset a document in MathTime without success (math
symbols are mapped incorrectly, or not at all, on the screen). My preamble was:

\documentclass[12pt]{book}
\usepackage{times}
\usepackage[mtbold]{mathtime}

The motivation for using MathTime is simple: There are thousands of fonts
available for ordinary text use, but the number seems to be limited to 4(?)
for those (like me) writing mathematics in LaTeX:

1) Computer Modern
2) MathTime + MathTime Plus
3) Lucida New Math + Lucida Bright Expert
4) Euler

My personal favorite is the MathTime family because it produces highly
legible documents (both on screen and paper), and has a somewhat richer
font set than Computer Modern.
Speaking about TeX-fonts, however, there is one question coming over and
over. How do I install e.g. the MathTime fonts? I have read the "teTeX
Manual" by Thomas Esser and I have (tried) to read "The LaTeX Companion" by
Goossens et al. but without getting close to an understanding of the font
matter. I would greatly appreciate any help from this forum to get started
on the "font selection marathon". I have a little experience with command
line utilities and know programming in general, but don't expect technical
knowledge-in-depth from my side!

Best regards, Tore.

Ass. Prof. Tore Haug-Warberg
Dept. Chemical Engineering
Norwegian Institute of Technology and Science
N-7491 Trondheim
NORWAY
mail adress: tore.haug-warberg at chemeng.ntnu.no
telephone: +47-735-94108

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
From: "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:00:21 +0100

On Tuesday, March 12, 2002, at 10:57 , lcnlmmns at ruca.ua.ac.be wrote:

> I have the same problem as C. Dube with Texshop (but I work around by
> asking to process in TEX and Ghostscript in stead of in  pdftex). This
> refusal to recognise pdftex occurred indeed first after upgrading TeTex
> to the version of 22/02 (during the installation some other things went
> wrong especially with fonts) I did not solve any of the font problems
> yet--> computer modern only.

I am beginning to suspect that there is a weird permissions issue going
on here, probably having to do with old fmt and efmt files still
available after a new (re)install. Maybe it has to do with the Mac OS X
10.1.3 upgrade changing Security Framework behaviour. I would like
people who experience this problem to contact me so that we can
investigate.

If someone who has this problem can offer me a ssh-connection into their
system, so much the better.

G

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
From: "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:55:59 +0100

On Tuesday, March 12, 2002, at 09:18 , Michael Murray wrote:

> If there are any errors in there can you cut and paste them into an
> email and post them here  as well ?

Sorry, /var/log/TeXGSInstaller.log does not contain the log that you see
in the installer display. Only the dates of installation and
deinstallation so that I can see what was installed/deinstalled last.

If you want to see the log while installing, you need to copy it from
the installer display.

G

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?
From: "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:48:00 +1030

Hi

I am not a font expert either but I have the lucida  bright fonts working
fine with TeXShop thanks to various people here.  I have the fonts in
pfb form and have put the .pfb files in

~/Library/texmf/fonts/type1/yandy

in directories called

lubright  lucida    lucidfax  lucsans   lumath

for example

~/Library/texmf/fonts/type1/yandy/lucida

has in it

lbc.pfb   lbki.pfb  lbl.pfb   lbtbo.pfb lbtr.pfb
lbh.pfb   lbkr.pfb  lbtb.pfb  lbto.pfb

I think I worked this out by looking at

/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/yandy/lucida

and noting that it had

lbc.tfm   lbki.tfm  lbl.tfm   lbtbo.tfm lbtr.tfm
lbh.tfm   lbkr.tfm  lbtb.tfm  lbto.tfm

in it and similarly for the others. If that is
right my   guess is that as there is a

/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/yandy/mathtime

with

mtex.tfm  mtmi.tfm  mtsy.tfm  rmtmi.tfm

in it you need to create a directory

~/Library/texmf/fonts/type1/yandy/mathtime

and put in it

mtex.pfb  mtmi.pfb  mtsy.pfb  rmtmi.pfb

In my documents I use

\usepackage[LY1]{fontenc}	% specify text font encoding
\usepackage[LY1]{lucidabr}	% switch text and math fonts
\usepackage{bm}           	% switch text and math fonts

which works fine. I assume your command

\usepackage[mtbold]{mathtime}

is the equivalent of these commands.  Lucida replaces all the CMR
fonts which is why I have more fonts than you. You are just replacing
the math ones and using Times for the basic CMR fonts.

Good luck !!

Michael

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] teTeX does not run on OS X
From: "Bruno Voisin" <Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:19:56 +0100

> [...] Maybe it has to do with the Mac OS X
> 10.1.3 upgrade changing Security Framework behaviour. I would like
> people who experience this problem to contact me so that we can investigate.

Many bad things have I experienced since I "upgraded" to 10.1.3. Not
only did I experience a bug in Fetch (first time for me), but also
problems in the Finder (Dock refuses to show off when I drag a file to
bottom of screen, Show Info window refuses me to select TeXShop as
application for opening file, or refuses to enable the Modify All
button). Generally this gets better after restarting - I thought I was
finished with restarting computer ten times a day after switching OS 9
-> OS X!

Bruno Voisin

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?
From: "Bruno Voisin" <Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:24:53 +0100

> I just tried to typeset a document in MathTime without success (math
> symbols are mapped incorrectly, or not at all, on the screen). My
> preamble was:
>
> \documentclass[12pt]{book}
> \usepackage{times}
> \usepackage[mtbold]{mathtime}

Did you try any of these two:

\usepackage[LY1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}

Normally you shouldn't have anything to install, all support files are
there in teTeX already, and for me it does work:

- mathtime metrics in
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/yandy/mathtime and
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/yandy/mathplus

- times metrics in /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/adobe/times
(T1 encoding) or /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/yandy/times (LY1
encoding)

-LaTeX packages in /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss (for
times) and /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/mathtime (for mathtime)

- documentation of the mathtime package in
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/doc/latex/mathtime (BTW, I couldn't find
that - psnfss2e.pdf on CTAN - for times)

- The documentation for PSNFSS says to no longer use the times package.
It still use it myself.

- For several PS fonts (e.g. Adobe, Lucida) you have the choice to
either use LY1 metrics (from Y&Y, I believe) or T1 metrics (produced by
fontinst). I personally prefer LY1, as I find that T1 metrics results in
far too many hyphenations and bad line breaks.

> The motivation for using MathTime is simple: There are thousands of
> fonts available for ordinary text use, but the number seems to be
> limited to 4(?) for those (like me) writing mathematics in LaTeX:
>
> 1) Computer Modern
> 2) MathTime + MathTime Plus
> 3) Lucida New Math + Lucida Bright Expert
> 4) Euler
>
> My personal favorite is the MathTime family because it produces highly
> legible documents (both on screen and paper), and has a somewhat richer
> font set than Computer Modern.
> Speaking about TeX-fonts, however, there is one question coming over and
> over. How do I install e.g. the MathTime fonts? I have read the "teTeX
> Manual" by Thomas Esser and I have (tried) to read "The LaTeX Companion"
> by Goossens et al. but without getting close to an understanding of the
> font matter. I would greatly appreciate any help from this forum to get
> started on the "font selection marathon". I have a little experience
> with command line utilities and know programming in general, but don't
> expect technical knowledge-in-depth from my side!

There are very many metrics available for PS fonts. Just look at
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/fonts/tfm. I am a Lucida addict myself! And
there are also corresponding LaTeX packages, either in teTeX or on CTAN.

The LaTeX Companion is largely outdated. I think you would be happier
with chapter 10 of The LaTeX Graphics Companion ("Using PostScript
fonts"). And there is still, if you feel like doing the work yourself,
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/doc/latex/base/fntguide.dvi

Hope this helps,

Bruno Voisin

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?
From: "Bruno Voisin" <Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:55:22 +0100

Just realised (after reading Michael Murray's message) that I forgot
something basic: you have to (1) convert your MathTime fonts to PFB
format and (2) install them at the appropriate place.

I have Lucida and MathTime fonts installed. Here's (as far as I can
remember) what I did:

(1) Assuming you have the font in former Apple LaserWriter format (LWFN
font file), CMacTeX contains a utility t1utils for performing the
conversion to PFB format. From a posting to this list by Tom Kiffe, on 2
May 2001:

> CMacTeX contains a Carbon t1utils program and an accompanying Apple
> Script
> called lwfn2pfb. Just drop your Macintosh Printer Fonts onto the Apple
> Script and it will convert all of them to pfb format.

(2) In your home directory create, if it's not already here, a directory
~/Library/texmf/fonts/type1/yandy/mathtime, and put your PFB files
there. For me, I have just the basic MathTimes set, that's

mtex.pfb
mtsy.pfb
rmtmi.pfb

As a whole, my directories for Lucida and MathTime fonts in
~/Library/texmf/fonts/type1/yandy/ are, just like Michael Murray said:

lubright
lucida
lucidfax
lucsans
lumath
mathtime

And it all works for me too!

Bruno Voisin

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Off-topic PS and Terminal questions
From: "Bruno Voisin" <Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:28:22 +0100

Thanks William, Ross, this group is really amazing!

I finally went the PDF route. I didn't know the pdfpages package (though
I remember your mentioning it before in a posting, Ross, but then I
hadn't paid attention), it works very well, is straightforward to use,
very powerful, and quite adequately documented.

I just had to write:

\documentclass[a4paper]{article}
\usepackage{pdfpages}

\begin{document}

\includepdf[pages=-]{pap2body}
\includepdf[pages=-]{pap2figa}
\includepdf[pages=-,landscape]{pap2figb}
\includepdf[pages=-]{pap2figc}

\end{document}

and got everything I wanted.

I had mentioned PS before because I didn't know that it was possible to
perform manipulations on PDF files. Being able to do it from within
LaTeX, thanks to pdfpages, is really a bonus; it avoids, in particular,
having to run separate utilities such as psutils, even with the very
sensible interface provided by Andrew Trevorrow in OzTeX.

Thanks again,

Bruno Voisin

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Subject: TeXShop's preview of PDF files
From: "Bruno Voisin" <Bruno.Voisin at hmg.inpg.fr>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:39:25 +0100

By using the pdfpages package to concatenate several PDF files together,
some in portrait format and others in landscape, I noticed something
strange: the landscape pages (inside a PDF document mainly oriented as
portrait) are displayed correctly by Apple's Preview and Adobe's Acrobat
Reader, but not by TeXShop. That is, the landscape information is shown
on a portrait page, which means it is cropped on the right side.

I'm confused, cos' I thought TeXShop was more or less using Preview in
the background to display PDF files, or at least that it was built upon
the same routines.

Bruno Voisin

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?
From: "Tore Haug-Warberg" <haugwarb at chembio.ntnu.no>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:05:59 +0100

Bruno and Michael:

I am still confused (but much less so than 8 hours ago). PostScript fonts
require two separate files, one outline file (.pfb) and one metrics file
(.pfm), right? I assume that the .pfm can be converted to TeX metrics
(.tfm), but what about .pfb? I expect it's here the real work is burried
and consequently that .pfb files have a certain marked potential. Bruno
mentioned CMacTeX as a possible source for .pfb files, but I'm a Mac newbie
and have no previous Mac installation of TeX (could not find any PostScript
fonts on my teTeX distribution either). Should I buy the .pfb files from
Y&Y, or maybe Blue Sky Research, or is there a clone which can be
downloaded? And since we are talking fonts:

1) It is PostScript 1 and not PostScript 3?
2) Is TrueType a viable option to PostScript fonts, or is PostScript
"state-of-the-art".
3) Finally, I might consider converting to Lucida if that makes life easier
(please convince me - it's not very hard).

Yours, Tore.

PS. I am responding to both of you in one single mail, please correct me if
I am abusing the rules of this list.

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?
From: "Peter Erwin" <erwin at ll.iac.es>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:50:55 +0000

Hi Tore,

>I am still confused (but much less so than 8 hours ago). PostScript
>fonts require two separate files, one outline file (.pfb) and one
>metrics file (.pfm), right? I assume that the .pfm can be converted
>to TeX metrics (.tfm), but what about .pfb? I expect it's here the
>real work is burried and consequently that .pfb files have a certain
>marked potential. Bruno mentioned CMacTeX as a possible source for
>.pfb files, but I'm a Mac newbie and have no previous Mac
>installation of TeX (could not find any PostScript fonts on my teTeX
>distribution either). Should I buy the .pfb files from Y&Y, or maybe
>Blue Sky Research, or is there a clone which can be downloaded? And
>since we are talking fonts:

CMacTeX has some utility programs which will convert Macintosh printer fonts
(aka LaserWriter or LWFN files) into pfa or pfb format.  But you *do*
need to have the
Macintosh printer font files first...

(On the CTAN archive, you can find a set of Unix font utilities
called t1utils, which
will compile and run on MacOS X, if you have the Developer Tools
installed.  But
they have to be run via command-line in the Terminal, so that may not be what
people want.   I imagine that the CMacTeX utilities are nice GUI
versions of these.)

If you have a normal teTeX installation (such as Gerben Wierda's),
there should be
some pfb files in the subdirectories under:
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/fonts/type1/
For example, there are pfb files for Utopia in adobe/utopia/, the Blue Sky
PostScript versions of Computer Modern are in bluesky/cm/, etc.  But
the MathTime
fonts won't be there, because they're not free!

You can buy Macintosh versions of the MathTime fonts from Blue Sky
(or you could a
year ago, which is when I got mine), though they come (or came) on a
floppy disk(!).
You could then use the CMacTeX utilities (or the command-line t1utils programs)
to generate pfb files from the MathTime printer font files; you would
then install
these in the appropriate subdirectory (as earlier posts have described).
Possibly you could buy the pfb files directly from Y&Y, I don't know.

>1) It is PostScript 1 and not PostScript 3?
Type 1, yes, unless I'm really mistaken.

>2) Is TrueType a viable option to PostScript fonts, or is PostScript
>"state-of-the-art".

I don't know what the current situation is, but as of a few years ago
PostScript was still
considered a better format for fonts.  I don't think there's anything
that *prevents*
a TrueType font from being as good as PostScript, but most
professional design work
is/was done with PostScript, and some service bureaus prefer not to
process files with
TrueType fonts in them.  Consequently, most professionally designed fonts
are available in PostScript (though I imagine Adobe is pushing OpenType these
days).  Apparently the TrueType mathematical formulation is less
elegant in some
respects: shapes require more description, so font files are larger.

I'm not aware of any standard way to use TrueType fonts directly with TeX;
there *are* utilities to convert TrueType fonts to PostScript, so it
should be possible to
go from TrueType fonts to something TeX can use, if you had a TrueType font you
really wanted to use.

Incidently, if you're looking for alternatives to Computer Modern for
mathematics,
there is the possibility of Palatino + Math Pazo (a set of
mathematical fonts designed
to match Palatino).  They should be part of your teTeX installation; try
\usepackage{mathpazo}

--
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Peter Erwin                   Instituto de Astrofisica de Canarias
erwin at ll.iac.es               C/ Via Lactea s/n
tel. +34 922 605 244          38200 La Laguna, Tenerife, Spain

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?
From: "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:27:25 +1030

Hi Tore

I think Peter has covered everything except I was going to say that
using LucidaBright or MathTimes will make it harder to
distribute documents - of course you can always remove
them from a version you distrubute.

Michael

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_________________________________________________________
Assoc/Prof Michael Murray
Department of Pure Mathematics       Fax: 61+ 8 8303 3696
University of Adelaide             Phone: 61+ 8 8303 4174
Australia  5005      Email: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au
PGP public key:
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Subject: Mathpazo [was Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?]
From: "Michael Murray" <mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:33:04 +1030

>Incidently, if you're looking for alternatives to Computer Modern
>for mathematics,
>there is the possibility of Palatino + Math Pazo (a set of
>mathematical fonts designed
>to match Palatino).  They should be part of your teTeX installation; try
>\usepackage{mathpazo}
>
>--
>=============================================================
>Peter Erwin                   Instituto de Astrofisica de Canarias
>erwin at ll.iac.es               C/ Via Lactea s/n
>tel. +34 922 605 244          38200 La Laguna, Tenerife, Spain

Hi Peter

Thanks for the tip. They look very nice.  Just out of interest do
you know who produced these ?

--Michael
--
_________________________________________________________
Assoc/Prof Michael Murray
Department of Pure Mathematics       Fax: 61+ 8 8303
3696
University of Adelaide             Phone: 61+ 8 8303 4174
Australia  5005      Email: mmurray at maths.adelaide.edu.au
PGP public key:
_________________________________________________________

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Subject: Re: Mathpazo [was Re: [OS X TeX] How do I instal Mathtime fonts?]
From: "Peter Erwin" <erwin at ll.iac.es>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:20:29 +0000

Hi Michael,

I believe they were created by someone named Diego Puga.  All I really know
is what I've read in the relevant directories in the CTAN archive, so I'll just
point you towards the README file:

>>Incidently, if you're looking for alternatives to Computer Modern
>>for mathematics,
>>there is the possibility of Palatino + Math Pazo (a set of
>>mathematical fonts designed
>>to match Palatino).  They should be part of your teTeX installation; try
>>\usepackage{mathpazo}

>Thanks for the tip. They look very nice.  Just out of interest do
>you know who produced these ?
>
>
>--Michael

--
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erwin at ll.iac.es               C/ Via Lactea s/n
tel. +34 922 605 244          38200 La Laguna, Tenerife, Spain

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