texwork (was Re: [OS X TeX] synctex)

Mon Jul 14 08:00:29 EDT 2008

On Jul 11, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Richard Koch wrote:

> On Jul 11, 2008, at 8:28 AM, William Adams wrote:
>
>> \begin{historicnitpicking}
>>
>> To be fair, I think it'd be nice to mention that TeXshop in turn
>> was inspired by TeXview.app on NeXTstep....
>>
>> \end{historicnitpicking}
>
> Thanks for adding this historical note, which is correct. It may
> matter only to those few of us who had NeXT machines.

I still think it's important from an historical accuracy / perspective
angle.

>> Actually, have you considered just taking TeXshop and making it
>> compile w/ GNUstep? That'd get one running on Windows and Linux and
>> Mac OS X would just work''.
>
> I think that would be a nightmare; you'd get a program which "sorta,
> kinda worked." When you see what Jonathan has actually produced,
> you'll be amazed.

I dunno, NovaMind is actually using GNUstep to distribute their
commercial mind-mapping application on Windows --- I know this mostly
reflect my irritation at not getting Yellow Box for Windows'' and
losing PasteUp.app, and FreeHand not switching back to being a Cocoa
app &c., but it seems a lot of redundant work to code a new
application which mostly re-creates what one would get for free'' w/
the *step frameworks.

n Jul 11, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Bruno Voisin wrote:

> But TeXview drew inspiration from Textures on the Mac, isn't it?
> Textures, if I'm not mistaken, was a project launched by Addison-
> Wesley which finally was released independently, by Blue Sky
> Research (then Barry Smith and Doug Henderson) in 1986.
>
> It was made easier by the fact the Mac was programmed in Pascal at
> the time, and Don Knuth's web, the language TeX was originally
> programmed in, was a dialect of Pascal.
>
> I think I read a text mentioning this history somewhere, maybe by
> Nelson Beebe.

This is a good example of why it's important to get the history correct.

There was a lot of cross-pollination in this timeframe --- sorting it
out would require more than just cursory searching (I'm seeing a
usenet post on Textures 1.2 from 23 Mar 1990, but a post on TeXview
1.0 from 5 Oct 1989) --- I'm almost certain Textures was available
first though. Searching on Beebe Textures Teview'' yielded TUGboat
Volume 14, Number 2, July 1993 which mentioned both in different
articles (mental note, must dig out archive of TUGboat and transfer
over to pen slate).

On Jul 13, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Joseph C. Slater PE, PhD wrote:

> On Jul 13, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Louis Talman wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Richard Koch wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for adding this historical note, which is correct. It may
>>> matter only to those few of us who had NeXT machines.
>>
>> ...and still mourn their departure.
>
>
> Next isn't completely gone:

Yeah, but they keep taking stuff away, like the input hack that let
one have a top-level Services menu in Cocoa apps, and of course
commands (punch in Altsys Virtuoso) to be gestural.

William

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