[OS X TeX] Re: MacOSX-TeX Digest, Vol 44, Issue 17
Mark Lim
mklim.77 at gmail.com
Sat Jun 25 22:15:43 EDT 2011
I am using a new mac mini hooked up to large 24 inch LCD HDMI screen for my
work.
I am also starting to use TeXShop.
I need some help and working advice on installation of GNUPLOT. I had
Octave up.
Mac mini aluminum
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 2 GB
I am using Apple wireless keyboard for over a year now with a wired mouse.
The battery on keyboard use rechargeable apple battery- cost effective.
Keyboard - no issue. For wired mouse-wish it was wireless..the wire is too
short for comfort.
Thanks a lot,
Mark
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:01 AM, soumya dipta <soumyadiptabanerjee at yahoo.com
> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Since we are at this topic, I thought it will be a good idea to ask:
>
> I am planning to get a new imac ( in july). My budget constraints encourage
> me to go for the basic 21.5 '; 2.5GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 with 6MB
> on-chip shared L3 cache; AMD Radeon HD 6750M graphics processor with 512MB
> of GDDR5 memory. ( the most basic one)
>
> My question is, if it is really worth the investment going for the 8GB RAM.
>
> Is there a major difference between core i5 and i7?
>
> Also, are there any (hidden) disadvantages of apple wireless keyboard over
> apple numeric keyboard, for Texing/ programming over extended periods of
> time?
>
> It is relevant to mention that: I am a mathematician, so my main usage
> (apart from email, you tube etc) are lots of Texing, some occasional python,
> C, Mathematica, Matlab, SAGE programming (nothing heavy duty though).
> Thanks in advance,
> Shom
>
>
>
>
>
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> 1. New Laptop... (Herbert Schulz)
> 2. Re: New Laptop... (François Chaplais)
> 3. Re: New Laptop... (Alain Schremmer)
> 4. Re: New Laptop... (Herbert Schulz)
> 5. Re: New Laptop... (M. Tamer Özsu)
> 6. Re: New Laptop... (Ralph Martin)
> 7. Re: New Laptop... (George Gratzer)
> 8. Re: New Laptop... (Peter Dyballa)
> 9. Re: New Laptop... (Peter Dyballa)
> 10. Re: New Laptop... (Ralph Martin)
> 11. Re: New Laptop... (M. Tamer Özsu)
> 12. Re: New Laptop... (Ralph Martin)
> 13. Re: New Laptop... (M. Tamer Özsu)
> 14. Re: New Laptop... (Alain Schremmer)
> 15. Re: New Laptop... (Herbert Schulz)
> 16. Re: New Laptop... (Alain Schremmer)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:18:29 -0500
> From: Herbert Schulz <herbs at wideopenwest.com>
> Subject: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
> To: List TeX on Mac OS X Mailing <MacOSX-TeX at email.esm.psu.edu>
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>
> Howdy,
>
> I'm considering getting a new 15" MacBook Pro with the i7 Quad Core. I
> don't run huge numbers of apps simultaneously so I think 4GB of RAM is fine.
> The only question I have concerns my choice of the standard 750GB/5400RPM
> drive or to special order it with a 500GB/7200RPM drive. Will the higher
> data density make up for the extra latency in some way? Will I even notice
> the difference. No, I can't afford an SSD!
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Herb Schulz
> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:46:41 +0200
> From: François Chaplais <francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
> To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
> Message-ID: <CE54CF1B-4733-47DE-9457-A844F0DE9CAC at mines-paristech.fr>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I am very happy with a 7200 RPM drive. I do think it helps the system.
> Best
> François
> Le 24 juin 2011 à 15:18, Herbert Schulz a écrit :
>
> > Howdy,
> >
> > I'm considering getting a new 15" MacBook Pro with the i7 Quad Core. I
> don't run huge numbers of apps simultaneously so I think 4GB of RAM is fine.
> The only question I have concerns my choice of the standard 750GB/5400RPM
> drive or to special order it with a 500GB/7200RPM drive. Will the higher
> data density make up for the extra latency in some way? Will I even notice
> the difference. No, I can't afford an SSD!
> >
> > Good Luck,
> >
> > Herb Schulz
> > (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------- Please Consult the Following Before Posting -----------
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:00:55 -0400
> From: Alain Schremmer <schremmer.alain at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
> To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
> Message-ID: <EE31BA40-EB87-4269-9ADE-A733A7D0C098 at gmail.com>
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>
>
> On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:18 AM, Herbert Schulz wrote:
>
> > I think 4GB of RAM is fine.
>
> Ah the good old days!
>
> (Of the 128K)
>
> Best regards
> --schremmer
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:06:01 -0500
> From: Herbert Schulz <herbs at wideopenwest.com>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
> To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
> Message-ID: <9C9ACDD6-6FA3-4448-B892-347ABBF5954A at wideopenwest.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Alain Schremmer wrote:
>
> > On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:18 AM, Herbert Schulz wrote:
> >
> >> I think 4GB of RAM is fine.
> >
> > Ah the good old days!
> >
> > (Of the 128K)
> >
> > Best regards
> > --schremmer
>
> Howdy,
>
> And the constant swapping of the floppies! :-P
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Herb Schulz
> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:13:48 -0400
> From: "M. Tamer Özsu" <ozsut at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
> To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
> Message-ID: <E9CDB78C-4658-43F9-9069-F2AC1BB47576 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
>
> It will make a difference Herb, so I would recommend it. But you may also
> wish to consider increasing memory. These machines do not really exploit
> 64-bit architecture until you get to 8GB memory (that is what I have in my
> 13" MacBook Pro). Also, there are cheaper SSD alternatives -- I have one
> from OWC (http://tinyurl.com/64lbfsc) installed in mine -- they also have
> better write lifetime characteristics. They may still be over your planned
> budget, but I thought I would bring it to your attention.
>
> Best.
>
> ==Tamer
>
> On 2011-06-24, at 9:18 AM, Herbert Schulz wrote:
>
> > Howdy,
> >
> > I'm considering getting a new 15" MacBook Pro with the i7 Quad Core. I
> don't run huge numbers of apps simultaneously so I think 4GB of RAM is fine.
> The only question I have concerns my choice of the standard 750GB/5400RPM
> drive or to special order it with a 500GB/7200RPM drive. Will the higher
> data density make up for the extra latency in some way? Will I even notice
> the difference. No, I can't afford an SSD!
> >
> > Good Luck,
> >
> > Herb Schulz
> > (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------- Please Consult the Following Before Posting -----------
> > TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
> > List Reminders and Etiquette: http://email.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
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> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:36:44 +0100
> From: Ralph Martin <Ralph.Martin at cs.cardiff.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
> To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
> Message-ID: <0B64EECB-9B86-45FF-93E6-540B272F6453 at cs.cardiff.ac.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Herb
>
> On 24 Jun 2011, at 3:13:48PM, Herb wrote:
> No, I can't afford an SSD!
>
> Do whatever you can to put a cheap SSD in the machine. It makes a HUGE
> difference. E.g. when booting, spinning cogwheel with hard drive: 20 secs,
> with SSD: 3 seconds.
>
> Indeed, very seriously, it may be a significantly better option to keep
> your old laptop (as long as 64 bit Intel) and spend the money on an SSD for
> it, than to buy a new laptop again with an HD.
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Ralph
> --
> Prof. Ralph Martin Phone: +44(0)29 2087 5536
> Computer Science & Informatics Fax: +44(0)29 2087 4598
> Cardiff University Email: mailto:ralph at cs.cf.ac.uk
> 5 The Parade, Roath WWW: http://ralph.cs.cf.ac.uk/
> Cardiff, CF24 3AA, UK VOIP: sip:17476235487 at proxy01.sipphone.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:55:53 -0500
> From: George Gratzer <gratzer at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
> To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
> Message-ID: <60AB788C-2C6B-4AA9-A786-8F6EA0917957 at me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
>
> Herb,
>
> May I recommend the 13" MacBook Air? The screen has the same resolution, so
> hold it an inch closer and it is of the same size!
>
> It is lighter and the SSD makes a huge difference. Incredibly speedy. A
> restart is measured is seconds. Makes a real difference.
>
> I grant you that the Pro has a faster processor, but it is hard to imagine
> how that would benefit you. Certainly not with TeX.
>
> My techi friends tell me to buy 8GB of RAM.
>
> On the road, the MacBook Air is easier on you. If you archive a lot of
> stuff, put it on an external drive.
>
> Good luck,
>
> George
>
> On 2011-06-24, at 8:18 AM, Herbert Schulz wrote:
>
> > Howdy,
> >
> > I'm considering getting a new 15" MacBook Pro with the i7 Quad Core. I
> don't run huge numbers of apps simultaneously so I think 4GB of RAM is fine.
> The only question I have concerns my choice of the standard 750GB/5400RPM
> drive or to special order it with a 500GB/7200RPM drive. Will the higher
> data density make up for the extra latency in some way? Will I even notice
> the difference. No, I can't afford an SSD!
> >
> > Good Luck,
> >
> > Herb Schulz
> > (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------- Please Consult the Following Before Posting -----------
> > TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
> > List Reminders and Etiquette: http://email.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
> > List Archive: http://tug.org/pipermail/macostex-archives/
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> > List Info: http://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-tex
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:57:45 +0200
> From: Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
> To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
> Message-ID: <77FEDB80-02AA-4B59-B74F-D72ECE923F32 at Web.DE>
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> delsp=yes
>
>
> Am 24.06.2011 um 16:13 schrieb M. Tamer Özsu:
>
> > there are cheaper SSD alternatives
>
>
> This might be true. And it might be also true that these don't support
> the TRIM command (which Lion will use) and finally make the OS search
> endlessly for some left-over blocks in disk to save the large PDF
> output. (Ever encountered when your set-top box with disk recording
> reaches the state of almost no disk space left?)
>
> I am also considering to buy a MacBook Pro. I tend to prefer the
> faster 500 GB disk – and 8 GB of RAM. Half the disk could be cached!
> No swapping virtually needed. (And these 4 GB RAM don't cost that
> much. Two TV instead of restaurant dinners.)
>
> --
> Greetings
>
> Pete
>
> Some day we may discover how to make magnets that can point in any
> direction.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:05:30 +0200
> From: Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
> To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
> Message-ID: <10509924-E87E-41F4-A23E-5E4DA5A19A19 at Web.DE>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>
> Am 24.06.2011 um 16:36 schrieb Ralph Martin:
>
> > Indeed, very seriously, it may be a significantly better option to
> > keep your old laptop (as long as 64 bit Intel) and spend the money
> > on an SSD for it, than to buy a new laptop again with an HD.
>
> The best option is to wait until a Mac or a disk hits the market that
> offers both: a fast storage device and an even faster device for
> temporary storage that does not wear out like an SSD. That's the
> problem with today's SSD: they only allow to change (overwrite) a disk
> block a few thousand times. One TeX run can produce half a dozen files
> and use up a few dozens of disk blocks.
>
> --
> Greetings
>
> Pete
>
> We have to expect it, otherwise we would be surprised.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:33:08 +0100
> From: Ralph Martin <Ralph.Martin at cs.cardiff.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
> To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
> Message-ID: <1574B0B3-0C77-46C0-AF4A-38A013EFD6EB at cs.cardiff.ac.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> On 24 Jun 2011, at 3:57:45PM, Peter Dyballa wrote:
> > This might be true. And it might be also true that these don't support
> the TRIM command (which Lion will use) and finally make the OS search
> endlessly for some left-over blocks in disk to save the large PDF output.
> (Ever encountered when your set-top box with disk recording reaches the
> state of almost no disk space left?)
>
> I had a no-TRIM SSD. It worked fine, even when over 95% full, and regularly
> overwiting GBs data. (It did "garbage collection" in its spare time).
> However slow it gets, I'd be very suprised if it is still not much much
> faster than an HD.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Ralph
> --
> Prof. Ralph Martin Phone: +44(0)29 2087 5536
> Computer Science & Informatics Fax: +44(0)29 2087 4598
> Cardiff University Email: mailto:ralph at cs.cf.ac.uk
> 5 The Parade, Roath WWW: http://ralph.cs.cf.ac.uk/
> Cardiff, CF24 3AA, UK VOIP: sip:17476235487 at proxy01.sipphone.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:35:20 -0400
> From: "M. Tamer Özsu" <ozsut at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
> To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
> Message-ID: <496E3CF8-DE94-49F1-B023-06CA785C96E0 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> OWC has a 6GB version of the SSD that does support TRIM (although it is
> more expensive).
>
> I have no relationship with OWC other than being a happy customer.
>
> ==Tamer
>
> On 2011-06-24, at 10:57 AM, Peter Dyballa wrote:
>
> >
> > Am 24.06.2011 um 16:13 schrieb M. Tamer Özsu:
> >
> >> there are cheaper SSD alternatives
> >
> >
> > This might be true. And it might be also true that these don't support
> the TRIM command (which Lion will use) and finally make the OS search
> endlessly for some left-over blocks in disk to save the large PDF output.
> (Ever encountered when your set-top box with disk recording reaches the
> state of almost no disk space left?)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:39:39 +0100
> From: Ralph Martin <Ralph.Martin at cs.cardiff.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
> To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
> Message-ID: <2502375A-7853-435D-ADAD-AF7431FF7EBC at cs.cardiff.ac.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> On 24 Jun 2011, at 4:05:30PM, Peter Dyballa wrote:
> > The best option is to wait until a Mac or a disk hits the market that
> offers both: a fast storage device and an even faster device for temporary
> storage that does not wear out like an SSD.
> > That's the problem with today's SSD: they only allow to change
> (overwrite) a disk block a few thousand times.
>
>
> You are way, way off beam. The Intel X25-M, as an example, has a mean time
> before failure of 1.2 million hours (more than 100 years).
>
> There's a lot of FUD about SSDs. I've had SSD equipped Macs for several
> years now, and would never go back.
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Ralph
> --
> Prof. Ralph Martin Phone: +44(0)29 2087 5536
> Computer Science & Informatics Fax: +44(0)29 2087 4598
> Cardiff University Email: mailto:ralph at cs.cf.ac.uk
> 5 The Parade, Roath WWW: http://ralph.cs.cf.ac.uk/
> Cardiff, CF24 3AA, UK VOIP: sip:17476235487 at proxy01.sipphone.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:41:30 -0400
> From: "M. Tamer Özsu" <ozsut at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
> To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
> Message-ID: <B2EC27D2-7941-4B7D-9938-E8FB4C1D29BC at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Sorry, that should be 6G version (not 6GB).
>
> ==Tamer
>
> On 2011-06-24, at 11:35 AM, M. Tamer Özsu wrote:
>
> > OWC has a 6GB version of the SSD that does support TRIM (although it is
> more expensive).
> >
> > I have no relationship with OWC other than being a happy customer.
> >
> > ==Tamer
> >
> > On 2011-06-24, at 10:57 AM, Peter Dyballa wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Am 24.06.2011 um 16:13 schrieb M. Tamer Özsu:
> >>
> >>> there are cheaper SSD alternatives
> >>
> >>
> >> This might be true. And it might be also true that these don't support
> the TRIM command (which Lion will use) and finally make the OS search
> endlessly for some left-over blocks in disk to save the large PDF output.
> (Ever encountered when your set-top box with disk recording reaches the
> state of almost no disk space left?)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:47:18 -0400
> From: Alain Schremmer <schremmer.alain at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
> To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
> Message-ID: <37B65828-7D4D-47E7-86CA-A32E19B62169 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Herbert Schulz wrote:
>
> >
> > On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Alain Schremmer wrote:
> >
> >> On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:18 AM, Herbert Schulz wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think 4GB of RAM is fine.
> >>
> >> Ah the good old days!
> >>
> >> (Of the 128K)
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> --schremmer
> >
> > Howdy,
> >
> > And the constant swapping of the floppies! :-P
>
> Yes, and that's how we got all that exercise. Now we got to go to the
> gym!
> Best regards
> --schremmer
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:39:05 -0500
> From: Herbert Schulz <herbs at wideopenwest.com>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
> To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
> Message-ID: <D9220CA8-BCF1-4E74-9112-654B3E058184 at wideopenwest.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Alain Schremmer wrote:
>
> >
> > On Jun 24, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Herbert Schulz wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Alain Schremmer wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:18 AM, Herbert Schulz wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I think 4GB of RAM is fine.
> >>>
> >>> Ah the good old days!
> >>>
> >>> (Of the 128K)
> >>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>> --schremmer
> >>
> >> Howdy,
> >>
> >> And the constant swapping of the floppies! :-P
> >
> > Yes, and that's how we got all that exercise. Now we got to go to the
> gym!
> > Best regards
> > --schremmer
>
> Howdy,
>
> Oh, yes... and 300 baud modems with dial-up of BBSs (pre-internet unless
> you were at a large University).
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Herb Schulz
> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:16:39 -0400
> From: Alain Schremmer <schremmer.alain at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Laptop...
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> On Jun 24, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Herbert Schulz wrote:
>
> >
> > On Jun 24, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Alain Schremmer wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Jun 24, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Herbert Schulz wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Alain Schremmer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:18 AM, Herbert Schulz wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I think 4GB of RAM is fine.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ah the good old days!
> >>>>
> >>>> (Of the 128K)
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards
> >>>> --schremmer
> >>>
> >>> Howdy,
> >>>
> >>> And the constant swapping of the floppies! :-P
> >>
> >> Yes, and that's how we got all that exercise. Now we got to go to
> >> the gym!
> >> Best regards
> >> --schremmer
> >
> > Howdy,
> >
> > Oh, yes... and 300 baud modems with dial-up of BBSs (pre-internet
> > unless you were at a large University).
>
> Ever read "The Good Old Days--They Were Terrible!"?
>
> Best regards
> --schremmer
>
>
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