[OS X TeX] TeXShop prefs problem.

[Herbert Schulz]

> On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:48 PM, Justin C. Walker <justin at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Jun 2, 2016, at 17:16 , Herbert Schulz wrote:
> 
>>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Herbert Schulz <herbs at wideopenwest.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Justin C. Walker <justin at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I just noticed this, while using the latest TeXShop on OS X, 10.11.5.
>>>> 
>>>> The console window keeps popping up, even with “no errors”.  I finally became sufficiently curious to open prefs, and found that the setting was “always open”; I changed it to “only on errors”, and went back to TeXing.  Again, up popped the window.
>>>> 
>>>> I garbled around a while, first deciding that maybe I had to quit and restart TeXShop (no); then, maybe it had something to do with the “One Window” environment (no); and finally, I just started TeXShop and w/o opening files, changed the pref again.  Still the pref remained set to “always”.  Hmm.
>>>> 
>>>> Next I plunged into the sketchy world of preference files to see for myself.  I found these settings:
>>>> ConsoleBehavior = 1;
>>>> ConsoleWindowAlpha = "1.00";
>>>> "NSWindow Frame Console" = "1982 811 517 376 0 0 2560 1578 ";
>>>> "NSWindow Frame ConsoleWindow" = "734 53 504 452 0 0 1440 877 ";
>>>> RedConsoleAfterError = NO;
>>>> 
>>>> First I tried changing “Red…” to YES (it’s labeled a string, not a boolean, but what the heck).  No change.
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe “…behavior” is the right one, but what does “1” mean?  And what is “not 1”?
>>>> 
>>>> At this point, I appear for help!
>>>> 
>>>> Help!
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, as always.
>>>> 
>>>> Justin
>>> 
>>> Howdy,
>>> 
>>> Did you try it with the ``old fashioned'' separate window mode?
>>> 
>>> Good Luck,
>>> 
>>> Herb Schulz
>>> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
>> 
>> Howdy,
>> 
>> I'm also curious about whether your setting for TeXSuop->Preferences->Typesetting has `Bring Preview Forward' or `Continue Editing' set in the AFter Typesetting section.
> 
> As I tried to imply in my email, I did try the "old fashioned way" before mailing.  Also, I have "Continue Editing" set.
> 
> However, I have now tried so many variations on this theme that I can no longer reproduce exactly what I was seeing.
> 
> First, keep in mind that OS X 10.11 has a *lot* of caching going on behind the scenes, so it's hard to tell what's real and "what's Memorex"[1].  In particular the prefs files don't necessarily reflect reality.
> 

Howdy,

If you change a preference from within TeXShop it should get saved immediately and the caching shouldn't matter. I believe that's also true if you change one of the hidden preferences using the `defaults ...` method. If you change a preference setting by editing the TeXShop.plist file in ~/Library/Preferences directly the change will get overwritten unless you immediately run

defaults read ~/Library/Preferences/TeXShop.plist

so that the saved file is copied to the cache.

> I am still having the issue of the *setting* of console behavior sticking across relaunches.  The setting sticks as long as I don't quit TeXShop, but the behavior of the console is bizarre.
> 
> I am now seeing this for console behavior:
> - if there's a real error, the window pops up and stays until dismissed.
> - Otherwise, it appears that the one/two window mode does affect behavior
>  but it's tricky to nail down without keeping notes (which I'm not) (yet).
> - The "preview behavior" setting also seems to have an effect, and again,
>  it's tricky...
> - I have seen, but can't reliably reproduce, the console window pop up and
>  go away while compiling, both in one-wondow and separated window mode (with
>  the console window obscured at the start of compilation.  This is with no
>  compile errors.

I've never see that behavior... it goes away in the middle of compiling? Of course I have TeXShop->Preferences->Console->Show Console set to `always', TeXShop->Preferences->Typesetting->After Typesetting set to `Bring Preview Forward' and Use Separate Windows (i.e., the old fashioned mode).
 
> 
> At this point, I feel like I'm in the cave, with the Wumpus hot on my trail...
> 
> Justin
> 
> [1] you have to be of a certain age to know what that means.

I'm certainly old enough to understand the comment. I even like my Finder windows without frills and set up so Double Clicking a folder opens a new window. Very old school.

Good Luck,

Herb Schulz
(herbs at wideopenwest dot com)