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<div class="">Thank you for taking the time to write all this very useful and thoughtful advice.</div>
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<div class="">I am properly chastened for my sinful shortcut with the \c macro—and I should have realized its use in the context of foreign languages. </div>
<div class="">My current project doesn’t involve any references, but I used the foreign language packages extensively when writing my earlier book(s), particularly for foreign names. I will try to go back and figure out what is going wrong a little more carefully
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<div class="">I have a question about the pdfx package you mention at the end of your email. I had not heard of it; what exactly does it do? Is it part of MacTex or TeX Live—in other words do I need to download it separately? Do I call it with a \usepackage
command? I’m not quite sure what the whole validation process is about. I gather it has to do with making one’s source code compatible with global standards, which I am happy to try to do.</div>
<div class="">(One of my worst publication experiences was with an article for the American Mathematical Monthly—my macros, even when I supplied the macro files, just wouldn’t cooperate with the MAA style file; the editor at one point threatened, even though
he liked the paper, to reject it on technical grounds.</div>
<div class="">I ended up going through a 20-page paper and replacing every one of my macro occurrences with its definition. BTW, that would be a very useful kind</div>
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<div class="" style="word-wrap:break-word; line-break:after-white-space">I just finished writing up a longish (50pp) set of notes using TeXShop; in the process I ran into two sets of problems, one involving hyperref, the other a problem with the TeXShop editor.
I’m separating my questions into two emails. This one concerns hyperref, for which I can provide a reasonably minimal example. I’ll address my editor problems in a subsequent email.
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<div class="">I have for quite some time used a modification of the \ref macro in latex, which works as follows: labels are always in the format \label{#1:#2}, where #1</div>
<div class="">identifies a descriptive term like ’Section” or “Theorem” and #2 identifies which one it is; then when I want to refer back to the labeled item, I write \refer{#1}{#2}</div>
<div class="">and what gets printed is the descriptive term followd by the number. I found this very useful, particularly in writing a book, to make the spelling and capitalization of cross references uniform.</div>
<div class="">Here is the style file whose main content is that macro:</div>
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<div class="">All has gone well, and as I recall (it’s been a few years) it seemed to work well with hyperref on my book project as well. But this time something went wrong. There are two problems, but I think only the first can be addressed in this forum.</div>
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<div class="">I find that when I compile this, if I immediately click on one of the (red) hyperlinked items, I am taken to the appropriate page (there are only two pages in this example). However, any subsequent click on a hyperlinked item gives me only a
little window showing what the text referred to looks like—it doesn’t go to the appropriate page. I should clarify that this behavior is when I am in view in TeXShop.When I open just the pdf (so it opens in Preview, not in TeXShop, the hyperlinks seem to
work.</div>
<div class="">I don’t know if there is something about the \refer macro that is conflcting with \hyperref, and if so, is there a workaround?</div>
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<div class="">No. This will not have anything to do with the (back-end) macros that you use.</div>
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<div class="">The small (Prelink) window is a feature added quite recently (say within 3 years).</div>
<div class="">It was used in Skim for awhile before it came into TeXshop’s Preview.</div>
<div class="">Someone else might be able to say exactly when (and why) this feature has been added to the TeXshop front-end.</div>
<div class="">It should show up simply by hovering your mouse over the active rectangle which is associated with the hyperlink.</div>
<div class="">Then actually clicking within that rectangle should activate the link as previously.</div>
<div class="">It may be that once the small Prelink window comes up, you cannot tell where the active rectangle is anymore,</div>
<div class="">or it may be completely obscured. </div>
<div class="">Is there a setting to shift where the Prelink window is located, w.r.t. the active rectangle?</div>
<div class="">Again, someone else may be able to answer this question.</div>
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<div class="">The second hyperref problem is harder to pin down. I actually have a lot of self-defined macros, mostly formatting notation, so in my actual source file,</div>
<div class="">there were both a number of \usepackage commands in the preamble which referred to my macro packages—as well as pstricks and other packages—and a lot of \newcommands specific to the notes.</div>
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<div class="">I initially had the call to \hperref in the middle of my preamble, and then I was experiencing the problem described by the example. But then I looked at the hyperref manual and it said that the call should come after all the other calls. So
I moved it, and all hell broke loose.</div>
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<div class="">Yes.</div>
<div class="">That recommendation in the hyperref manual was made roughly 20 years ago.</div>
<div class="">The reasoning is that quite a few macros need to be patched to support automatic creation</div>
<div class="">of advanced PDF features, such as Bookmarks, hyperlinked cross-references to sections,</div>
<div class="">citations, etc. as well as external hyperlinking.</div>
<div class="">It was then thought that it was best to delay Hyperref until as late as possible, so that when it does </div>
<div class="">its patching, it will build on top of whatever other packages may have done themselves, earlier</div>
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<div class="">Such advice is now grossly out-dated.</div>
<div class="">There are better ways to delay the patching until other packages have been loaded.</div>
<div class="">Nowadays I find it best to load hyperref as early as possible, so that you know what </div>
<div class="">you have and can build on top of that (using the better methods).</div>
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<div class="">Another thing that is very important is that you don’t define home-grown macros</div>
<div class="">with names that will be altered by Hyperref, because they are standard in many</div>
<div class="">ways although you do not actually use them yourself. </div>
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<div class="">This next problem is an example of exactly this.</div>
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<div class=""> For example, I had at one point decided to use fraktur in one place in the notes, so put in a short sequence of macros for typing a,b,c, d, and A in fraktur. Most of them were ok, except</div>
<div class="">\newcommand{\c}{\ensuremath{\mathfrak{c}}} led to an “unknown command” error once the hyperref command was moved to immediately precede the </div>
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<div class="">I’m surprised that \newcommand{\c}{… } doesn’t throw an error immediately.</div>
<div class=""> \c is the accent command for a cedilla, as is rather common in French and other languages.</div>
<div class="">By making this definition, you will never be able to properly typeset a co-author or citation-author’s name</div>
<div class="">such as Fran\c{c}ois .</div>
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<div class="">This affects hyperref, because in the advanced features it supports, it is necessary to declare </div>
<div class="">such macro names for encodings other than ones directed at specific font characters.</div>
<div class="">Hence all macros in commonly-used language encodings also become defined whenever hyperref is required. </div>
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<div class="">In my mind, having single-letter user-defined macros is a real no-no.</div>
<div class="">Very many letters are used this way already for various languages and encodings.</div>
<div class="">Thus you are just asking for trouble when using hyperref, unless you are very careful</div>
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<div class="">Trying to find single-letter names that are not already used, and remembering what you defined them for </div>
<div class="">is just a fool’s game. Better is to be more descriptive: e.g. \frakc in your case.</div>
<div class="">Yes, it’s more typing, at first; but with copy/paste and/or command completion it really is not so.</div>
<div class="">Furthermore, your LaTeX sources become easier to read and understand/proofread than when every</div>
<div class="">3rd or 4th letter is a backslash.</div>
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<div class="">Even 2-letter names commonly have another use. (\it, \rm, \tt, \sc, \sf, \ij, \dj, \dz , … )</div>
<div class="">The only 2-letter combinations that I use are ones that clearly jolt the mind as to</div>
<div class="">their intended meaning; e.g. \RR , \QQ, \CC etc. for \mathbb letters, or bold-face symbols.</div>
<div class="">Using \bb, \cc, \xx, \yy etc. for vectors is generally acceptable, but beware \tt and that \aa and \AA </div>
<div class="">already have a meaning. (think the symbol for Angstrøm units, or in Swedish names).</div>
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<div class="">Also, one of the pstricks routines I used (pst-ode) defined some parameters via the statement </div>
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<div class="">and this led to unknown command errors. (They disappeared if I moved the \hyperref call earlier).</div>
<div class="">Again, I don’t know what is going on, but this one is harder to correct because there are a lot of possible conflicts spread over many files.</div>
<div class="">However, I found it strange that this problem only occurred when I moved the hyperref call to the end of the preamble.</div>
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<div class="">Not so strange, when you realise that hyperref is encountering a macro name that it is trying to declare</div>
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<div class="">So for now, I am not using hyperref in these notes, but would like to.</div>
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<div class="">My advice is to go back to loading it early,</div>
<div class="">and take great care about resolving any errors that you may encounter.</div>
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<div class="">If you have lots of foreign names in your References, check them to make sure</div>
<div class=""> a. that they are actually typeset correctly;</div>
<div class=""> b. try to Copy/Paste your whole reference section into a text-file; check</div>
<div class=""> for errors in the spellings that may result.</div>
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<div class="">Also, I recommend doing:</div>
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<div class=""> c. load the pdfx package to generate PDF/A-2u output, to attempt to conform to</div>
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<div class="">There is a lot of stuff in there specifically to allow you to detect and fix the kinds of</div>
<div class="">errors that are discussed above.</div>
<div class="">But you’ll need to check your PDFs with validation software.</div>
<div class="">There are a number of online PDF/A validators, so you don’t need to have purchased</div>
<div class="">a licence for Acrobat Pro, or other costly software. </div>
<div class="">(But if your institution gives you cheap access to Acrobat Pro, then it is well worth having.)</div>
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