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<div>Do it the correct TeX way:</div>
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<div>Since \Join creates a \mathop (i.e., math operator), rather than a \mathord symbol.</div>
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<div>Hope this helps.</div>
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<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>Ross</div>
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<div>On 11 Jan 2025, at 3:04 am, M. Tamer Özsu <ozsut@mac.com> wrote:</div>
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you very much Guillermo - this compiles that gets me over one problem.</span>
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However, my two original problems in the last paragraph (join symbol too big and in display environments the formula is typeset underneath the symbol rather than a subscript) is still there -- even after I add this to the preamble:</div>
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<div>% Redefine \Join to fix size and subscript placement</div>
<div>\renewcommand{\Join}{\mathbin{\scalebox{0.8}{$\mathnormal{\Join}$}}}</div>
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<div>Just an additional background: <span style="color: rgb(12, 13, 14); font-family: -apple-system, system-ui, "Segoe UI Adjusted", "Segoe UI", "Liberation Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 251); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">I
previously was using </span><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin: 0px; padding: var(--su2) var(--su4); border: 0px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: inherit; font-variant-east-asian: inherit; font-variant-alternates: inherit; font-variant-position: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: 19.5px; font-family: var(--ff-mono); font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-size: var(--_pr-code-fs); vertical-align: baseline; box-sizing: inherit; color: rgb(12, 13, 14); border-radius: var(--br-sm); orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">\setmathfont{STIX
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displayed \Join correctly, but I could not get outer join symbols with it; following some guidance I read on StackExchange, I decided to try XITS. </span></div>
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<div>On Jan 10, 2025, at 10:57 AM, G. M.-S. <<a href="mailto:lists.gms@gmail.com">lists.gms@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>HTH,</div>
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Hello,<br>
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I am trying to compile a file using<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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I am getting the following error:<br>
./test1.tex:7: Package fontspec Error:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
(fontspec) The font "XITS Math" cannot be found; this may be<br>
(fontspec) but usually is not a fontspec bug. Either there is<br>
(fontspec) a typo in the font name/file, the font is not<br>
(fontspec) installed (correctly), or there is a bug in the<br>
(fontspec) underlying font loading engine (XeTeX/luaotfload).<br>
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If I force typesetting to continue, the output does not show the join symbol (as expected).<br>
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My environment is MacOS 15.1.1 and using TeXShop 5.48. My MWE is attached. Typesetting with XeLaTeX<br>
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I have confirmed that XITS Math is installed (when I try tlmgr install xits it tells me it is already there). I want to use XITS Math because I also use outerjoin symbols, etc and this should work well.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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Just as background, I was using \setmathfont{STIX Two Math} but that typesets \Join very large and in display environments, it typesets F in \Join_{F} underneath the join symbol rather than as a subscript, and I need the latter behaviour.<br>
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