[OS X Emacs] Re: How to enter accented characters on US keyboard?
Gilberto
gilberto.c at laposte.net
Fri Apr 3 16:54:30 EDT 2009
Your tutorials are wonderful, Xah Lee.
Thanks to you, my Aquamacs Emacs emulate-mac-spanish-keyboard-mode
will have a closing bracket and I won't need to toggle between English
and Spanish keyboard layouts all the time (risking to forget toggling
back) to finish writing my dissertation in LaTeX!!!'
Gilberto Conde
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> 1. Re: How to enter accented characters on US keyboard? (xah lee)
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> 3. Re: How to enter accented characters on US keyboard?
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> 4. Re: How to enter accented characters on US keyboard?
> (Jochen Küpper)
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> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:15:18 -0700
> From: xah lee <xahlee at gmail.com>
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> keyboard?
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> on this issue, basically one can't have a solution that satisfy all.
> There is the cmd key and opt key.
> Some likes to use cmd by mac convention like copy, paste, open, save
> etc.
> Others like to use it for meta. Some like to use Opt by mac
> convention of
> inserting foreign chars, others like that for meta. Basically, there
> are
> these functionalities: mac convention of shortcut, input foreign
> chars,
> emacs meta. While, there are only 2 mod keys: the cmd and opt. So,
> unless
> you bring in Cntrl, or start combining mod keys (e.g. Cmd+Opt+key),
> or start
> doing key sequences (e.g. Cmd+key followed by Opt+key)... but again
> there
> are more bewildering personal preferences.
>
> btw, if you need to use foreign chars a lot, and you are using
> emacs, you
> don't really need to use OS X's Opt way, because you can easily
> customize
> emacs to have any shortcut you want to type any unicode char. In a
> sense,
> map your keyboard into a foreign char layout, of only chars that
> interest to
> you.
>
> For example, for me, my Cmd is Meta, my opt is for typing matching
> pairs and
> also much unicode math chars.
>
> Here's some doc might be of help:
>
> • How to Define Keyboard Shortcuts in Emacs
> http://xahlee.org/emacs/keyboard_shortcuts.html
>
> note the bottom, where you can set the Opt to Hyper. Then, you can
> just use
> emacs to map arbitrary hype+key combo to arbitrary unicode chars.
>
> Also, if the preset foreign chars thru Opt in OS X is not what you
> liked,
> you can also customize it, without anything to do with emacs. For
> example, i
> often need to type α, β, λ, →, ⇒ etc, which isn't available
> under OS X's Opt
> scheme.
>
> • How To Create Your Own Keybinding In Mac Os X
> http://xahlee.org/emacs/osx_keybinding.html
>
> Xah
> ∑ http://xahlee.org/
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Carsten Bormann <cabo at tzi.org> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 1, 2009, at 17:02, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
>>
>> In classic Mac software there are "dead keys" for that.
>>>>
>>>> OPTION n -- appears to do nothing
>>>>
>>>> but the next key you press, probably another n will acquire an
>>>> accent
>>>> mark above it as in canon -> cañon which might not survive this
>>>> email.
>>>>
>>>> OPTION e and some others are available.
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/search/label/accented%20letters
>>>
>>
>> The problem is that Aquamacs hijacks the option key and uses it for
>> meta.
>> For those of us who regularly use the non-ASCII characters, that is a
>> problem.
>> It is easy to fix:
>>
>> (setq mac-option-modifier nil)
>>
>> Now, of course, you need a different key to use as meta key.
>>
>> The obvious choice is the command key:
>>
>> (setq mac-command-modifier 'meta)
>>
>> But then none of the nice Mac-Emulation key combinations (CMD-C for
>> copy
>> etc.) work.
>>
>> Clumsy workaround for laptop users:
>>
>> (setq mac-function-modifier 'alt) ;;; can't use this with Leopard
>> and
>> CarbonEmacs
>>
>> This gives the fn key the same meaning normally occupied by the CMD
>> key, so
>> now you can fn-C for copy etc.
>>
>> Do I like any of this? No.
>> But I haven't found a better way to run Emacs on a Mac.
>>
>> Gruesse, Carsten
>>
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> Jean-Christophe> There is an option to use the Option key as the
> Mac
> Jean-Christophe> option key and Esc as the Meta key.
>
> Jean-Christophe> Then you can do all you want with the accented
> Jean-Christophe> characters.
>
> Thanks. That worked fine for the simple case I had.
>
> Skip
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>>> Esc as the Meta key
>
> Carsten> But typing Escape in front of key combinations is just a
> really
> Carsten> bad workaround for not having a meta key, not a real
> meta key.
> Carsten> Not acceptable for serious Emacs users...
>
> You must be too young to have used Emacs before the advent of window
> systems
> then. ;-)
>
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> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:05:56 +0200
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> On 01.04.2009, at 23:19, <skip at pobox.com> <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
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>>>> Esc as the Meta key
>>
>> Carsten> But typing Escape in front of key combinations is just a
>> really
>> Carsten> bad workaround for not having a meta key, not a real
>> meta key.
>> Carsten> Not acceptable for serious Emacs users...
>>
>> You must be too young to have used Emacs before the advent of window
>> systems
>> then. ;-)
>
>
> Why's that? On pure ttys Meta is often simply available to the one
> application running, so there's no problem at all in that respect...
>
> Greetings,
> Jochen
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> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 06:44:05 -0500
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>>> You must be too young to have used Emacs before the advent of window
>>> systems then. ;-)
>
> Jochen> Why's that? On pure ttys Meta is often simply available
> to the
> Jochen> one application running, so there's no problem at all in
> that
> Jochen> respect...
>
> I seem to recall either some terminals without meta keys or some
> dialect of
> Emacs (maybe Gosling Emacs) which didn't support it. In either
> case, it was
> required to use ESC as a prefix.
>
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