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MacOSX-TeX Digest #278 - Friday, March 29, 2002
Proposal on Fonts (was Re: Fonts &c.)
by "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus at mac.com>
Re: [OS X TeX] Proposal on Fonts (was Re: Fonts &c.)
by "Adrian Heathcote" <adrian.heathcote at philosophy.usyd.edu.au>
Re: [OS X TeX] Proposal on Fonts (was Re: Fonts &c.)
by "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
French
by "Jerome Dubois" <jer_dubois at libertysurf.fr>
Re: Fonts &c. (was Re: [OS X TeX] Fonts included with Textures?)
by "Ross Moore" <ross at ics.mq.edu.au>
Re: [OS X TeX] French
by "Jean-Claude DE SOZA" <jeanclaudedesoza at mac.com>
Re: [OS X TeX] French
by "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
prosper/oztex
by "Michel Durinx" <durinx at rulsfb.leidenuniv.nl>
Re: [OS X TeX] French
by "Jerome Dubois" <jer_dubois at libertysurf.fr>
Re: [OS X TeX] French
by "Piet van Oostrum" <piet at cs.uu.nl>
Re: [OS X TeX] Proposal on Fonts (was Re: Fonts &c.)
by "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
teTeX download problems
by "zyba" <zyba at mac.com>
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Subject: Proposal on Fonts (was Re: Fonts &c.)
From: "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus at mac.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:02:00 -0500
On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 10:31 AM, mark wrote:
> Been quietly following this thread. Interesting.
>
> Could we maybe get on to Apple about some of these font issues.
> I'd like to use some of the pre-installed OS X fonts in my TeX
> work (e.g. Optima and Gill Sans). Maybe Apple's licensing of the
> fonts means that they could also supply the fonts in the forms we
> need for TeX work. Anybody know ?
>
> mark.
I've been talking with William and Gerben off-list about an idea I had.
Why not use Gerben's new installer to kill two font-related birds with
one stone?
1) make the advanced OS X fonts (Hoefler, Zapfino, etc.) available for
use in TeX
and
2) allow for easy installation of other fonts (like the Adobe Type 1
fonts, for which there are packages floating around, but for which even
this is an intimidating installation process for many...like me!)
It seems this is feasible, though Gerben indicated he'd need someone
thoroughly familiar with fonts to write the scripts necessary. Anyone
interested?
Bruce
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Proposal on Fonts (was Re: Fonts &c.)
From: "Adrian Heathcote" <adrian.heathcote at philosophy.usyd.edu.au>
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:10:18 +1100
Bruce
My suggestion would be for someone to try to hack and adapt Hoenig's
VFiinstall which is on CTAN. This seems to do everything that one would
want from a font installer---it was written for, and tested on UNIX, but
has not been tested on Mac. Moreover it can incorporate expert fonts so
that one would have a full and genuine alternative to Times and Lucida.
If anyone wants the manual for it I can send it to them.
Adrian Heathcote
On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 12:02 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 10:31 AM, mark wrote:
>
>> Been quietly following this thread. Interesting.
>>
>> Could we maybe get on to Apple about some of these font issues.
>> I'd like to use some of the pre-installed OS X fonts in my TeX
>> work (e.g. Optima and Gill Sans). Maybe Apple's licensing of the
>> fonts means that they could also supply the fonts in the forms we
>> need for TeX work. Anybody know ?
>>
>> mark.
>
> I've been talking with William and Gerben off-list about an idea I had.
>
> Why not use Gerben's new installer to kill two font-related birds with
> one stone?
>
> 1) make the advanced OS X fonts (Hoefler, Zapfino, etc.) available for
> use in TeX
>
> and
>
> 2) allow for easy installation of other fonts (like the Adobe Type 1
> fonts, for which there are packages floating around, but for which even
> this is an intimidating installation process for many...like me!)
>
> It seems this is feasible, though Gerben indicated he'd need someone
> thoroughly familiar with fonts to write the scripts necessary. Anyone
> interested?
>
> Bruce
>
>
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Proposal on Fonts (was Re: Fonts &c.)
From: "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:11:05 +0100
Create anything that works (script wise), an I'll create an i-Installer
package for it.
G
On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 04:10 , Adrian Heathcote wrote:
> Bruce
>
> My suggestion would be for someone to try to hack and adapt Hoenig's
> VFiinstall which is on CTAN. This seems to do everything that one would
> want from a font installer---it was written for, and tested on UNIX,
> but has not been tested on Mac. Moreover it can incorporate expert
> fonts so that one would have a full and genuine alternative to Times
> and Lucida.
>
> If anyone wants the manual for it I can send it to them.
>
> Adrian Heathcote
>
>
> On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 12:02 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 10:31 AM, mark wrote:
>>
>>> Been quietly following this thread. Interesting.
>>>
>>> Could we maybe get on to Apple about some of these font issues.
>>> I'd like to use some of the pre-installed OS X fonts in my TeX
>>> work (e.g. Optima and Gill Sans). Maybe Apple's licensing of the
>>> fonts means that they could also supply the fonts in the forms we
>>> need for TeX work. Anybody know ?
>>>
>>> mark.
>>
>> I've been talking with William and Gerben off-list about an idea I had.
>>
>> Why not use Gerben's new installer to kill two font-related birds with
>> one stone?
>>
>> 1) make the advanced OS X fonts (Hoefler, Zapfino, etc.) available
>> for use in TeX
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2) allow for easy installation of other fonts (like the Adobe Type 1
>> fonts, for which there are packages floating around, but for which
>> even this is an intimidating installation process for many...like me!)
>>
>> It seems this is feasible, though Gerben indicated he'd need someone
>> thoroughly familiar with fonts to write the scripts necessary. Anyone
>> interested?
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
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Subject: French
From: "Jerome Dubois" <jer_dubois at libertysurf.fr>
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:25:54 +0100
Hi everybody,
I have a little problem, I want to install FRENCH (by B. Gaulle) to
write TeX in French with teTeX and my favorite TeXShop, but I don't know
where i must place the French Folder. Is somebody can help me please ?
Thanks, especially to Richard Koch Dirk Olmes Gerben Wierda ... for the
marvellous TeXShop !
Jerome
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Subject: Re: Fonts &c. (was Re: [OS X TeX] Fonts included with Textures?)
From: "Ross Moore" <ross at ics.mq.edu.au>
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:49:35 +1100 (EST)
> I fear this response muddies some already muddy water. The issue was
> simple: do Macs' normal .pfa outline fonts work in teTeX or do they need
> to be converted to .pfb? It is a simple question which should have a
> simple answer.
Ignoring the qualifier "Macs' normal", then
a. Yes, .pfa fonts work with dvips ;
but
b. No, .pfa fonts do *not* work with pdfTeX .
(Note that it is wrong to speak of teTeX as if it were an application;
it is not. It is a well-ordered collection of related programs and
support files and documentation, etc.)
This is not a problem, as dvips and pdftex are usually configured
to use different .map files, to find the fonts that they need.
Furthermore, both programs are very flexible in the ways that they
can be configured for font usage.
I sent a previous email with some examples of how this can be done.
Moreover, the teTeX collection normally includes font-conversion tools
(e.g. the t1utils ) to convert between .pfa and .pfb , and other
formats as well --- including LWFN, or POST resources, for MacOS.
Is this the simple answer that you wanted?
Cheers,
Ross
>
> Adrian Heathcote
>
>
> On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 11:59 PM, William Adams wrote:
>
> > Adrian said:
> > >Alan Hoenig, the author of TeX Unbound: LateX and TeX Strategies for
> > Fonts, Graphics and More >has said that his NexT/LateX set up deals
> > directly with .pfa fonts---they do not need to be >converted to .pfb.
> >
> > One of the advantages of Display PostScript.
> >
> > >My thought was: given that there is a fair bit of NexT legacy in OS X,
> > it should not need .pfb >outline formats either.
> >
> > There's an Apple technical note which details which fonts Mac OS X can
> > use,
> > and NeXT's nifty .font bundles are _not_ a part of that. (nor are
> > Multiple Master fonts)
> >
> > Google's second hit on a search of ``Apple Mac OS X supported font
> > format'
> > '
> >
> > http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn2024.html
> >
> > Although Windows TrueType TTF / TTC fonts are supported, the only Type
> > 1 fonts which Mac OS X makes use of are Type 1 (presumably Mac-style
> > LWFN) with matching bitmap font suitcases.
> >
> > I'll spare everyone my rant about how this backwards compatibility has
> > cost us the sensible, font Fontname entry derived names.
> >
> > Naturally tetex, since it uses its own routines will find .pfa ASCII
> > encoded fonts more efficient (the binary encoding is actually
> > encrypting done by the eexec routine so as to copy-protect Adobe's
> > fonts back when they denied anyone else the privilege of making such
> > (everyone else had to make do with Type 3, and if they wanted hinting,
> > had to roll their own in PostScript)) for the reasons already mentioned
> > in the Fonts w/ Textures thread.
> >
> > Bruce then asked:
> > >Can someone (William?) recommend a good font to invest in that:
> >
> > >a) a unix idiot (me) can easily set up for use with pdftex
> > >b) will be fully usable with other OS X apps (potentially InDesign,
> > and/or some forthcoming >Cocoa word processor)
> >
> > >I'm thinking either Adobe Minion or Garamond (both of which I like),
> > but am not sure which >version: OpenType? Type 1 Expert? MM?
> >
> > Unfortunately Type 1 OpenType fonts don't work with pdftex, only
> > TrueType based outlines do at this time, and without the nifty
> > fonttable support to enable contextual ligatures &c.
> >
> > As I mentioned above, Multiple Master is right out until Apple restores
> > that functionality (which NeXTstep had, without effort on Adobe's part
> > 'cause an MM font is ``just'' a PostScript Program).
> >
> > How do you feel about the eponymous Hoefler Text? Jonathan Hoefler has
> > since made a Type 1 version available from his website,
> > <http://www.typography.com> which should install easily in tetex (get
> > the PC version with matching .afm files and no resource forks to mung
> > this up)
> > , one could then use the Apple version in Mac OS X proper, and the Type
> > 1 in TeX (one person on this list has manually converted the Apple
> > font, but that probably wouldn't sit well with Apple if a lot of people
> > started doing it or passing it around :(
> >
> > Has anyone else tried contacting the programmer of TeX/GX? I'd dearly
> > love to see a pdftex variant on Mac OS X which could directly use ATSUI
> > fonts (for those who haven't, install the Developer tools, (free with
> > on-line ADC membership)) and play around with ``WorldText.app'' (nee
> > GXWrite)---if you think TextEdit's automatic ligatures are nice, ``you
> > ain'
> > t seen nothin' yet''
> >
> > William
> > (who has been working on a typeface design for eight years now but
> > hasn't yet finished it :(
> >
> > --
> > William Adams, publishing specialist
> > voice - 717-731-6707 | Fax - 717-731-6708
> > www.atlis.com
> >
> >
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] French
From: "Jean-Claude DE SOZA" <jeanclaudedesoza at mac.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:14:03 +0100
Le vendredi 29 mars 2002, à 10:25 , Jerome Dubois a écrit :
> Hi everybody,
> I have a little problem, I want to install FRENCH (by B. Gaulle) to
> write TeX in French with teTeX and my favorite TeXShop, but I don't
> know where i must place the French Folder. Is somebody can help me
> please ?
> Thanks, especially to Richard Koch Dirk Olmes Gerben Wierda ... for the
> marvellous TeXShop !
> Jerome
In response to Jerome, I can tell that Bernard Gaulle and me we have
succeeded last week in installing the package French on Mac OS X. I
think Bernard Gaulle has not yet released the new sources. If you are
insterested, contact him at frenchpro at free.fr
Jean-Claude DE SOZA
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] French
From: "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:10:56 +0100
On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 10:25 , Jerome Dubois wrote:
> I have a little problem, I want to install FRENCH (by B. Gaulle) to
> write TeX in French with teTeX and my favorite TeXShop, but I don't
> know where i must place the French Folder. Is somebody can help me
> please ?
try creating a folder *inside* ~/Library/texmf/tex/
G
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Subject: prosper/oztex
From: "Michel Durinx" <durinx at rulsfb.leidenuniv.nl>
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:30:38 +0100
hi--
indeed, Prosper is for landscape 'powerpoint-like' presentations. I
never got it to work well under OzTeX, but that was a long time ago in
OS 9.0, with then-current OzTeX.
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] French
From: "Jerome Dubois" <jer_dubois at libertysurf.fr>
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:13:19 +0100
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Hi,
I can't do that, my computer said me that I can't modify the folder=20
texmf/tex !! How can I proceed please ?
Jerome
Le vendredi 29 mars 2002, =E0 11:10 , Gerben Wierda a =E9crit :
On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 10:25 , Jerome Dubois wrote:
I have a little problem, I want to install FRENCH (by B. Gaulle) to=20
write TeX in French with teTeX and my favorite TeXShop, but I don't know=20=
where i must place the French Folder. Is somebody can help me please ?
try creating a folder *inside* ~/Library/texmf/tex/
G
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Hi,
I can't do that, my computer said me that I can't modify the folder
texmf/tex !! How can I proceed please ?
Jerome
Le vendredi 29 mars 2002, =E0 11:10 , Gerben Wierda a =E9crit :
<color><param>0000,0000,DEDE</param>On Friday, March 29, 2002, at
10:25 , Jerome Dubois wrote:
</color><color><param>0000,6363,1212</param>I have a little problem, I
want to install FRENCH (by B. Gaulle) to write TeX in French with
teTeX and my favorite TeXShop, but I don't know where i must place the
French Folder. Is somebody can help me please ?
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try creating a folder *inside* ~/Library/texmf/tex/
G
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] French
From: "Piet van Oostrum" <piet at cs.uu.nl>
Date: 29 Mar 2002 19:21:59 +0100
>>>>> Jerome Dubois <jer_dubois at libertysurf.fr> (JD) writes:
JD> Hi,
JD> I can't do that, my computer said me that I can't modify the folder
JD> texmf/tex !! How can I proceed please ?
Maybe you must create it first?
--
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URL: http://www.cs.uu.nl/~piet [PGP]
Private email: P.van.Oostrum at hccnet.nl
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Proposal on Fonts (was Re: Fonts &c.)
From: "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:53:00 -0500
Adrian said:
> My suggestion would be for someone to try to hack and adapt Hoenig's
> VFiinstall which is on CTAN. This seems to do everything that one would
> want from a font installer---it was written for, and tested on UNIX, but
> has not been tested on Mac. Moreover it can incorporate expert fonts so
> that one would have a full and genuine alternative to Times and Lucida.
and then Gerben said:
> Create anything that works (script wise), an I'll create an i-Installer
> package for it.
Uh, the vfinst package _is_ a set of scripts (in PERL, I believe) which
are a wrapper around FONTINST.
That's at once its strength, and a drawback---it can automagically install
any of the fonts in its list, but only those fonts, 'cause it relies on
having specific information about them up front.
I'll see what I can do on this front next week.
William
--
William Adams, publishing specialist
voice - 717-731-6707 | Fax - 717-731-6708
www.atlis.com
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Subject: teTeX download problems
From: "zyba" <zyba at mac.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:35:16 +0000
I've just made my 5th unsuccessful attempt to download teTeX. The first
4 attempts were downloading the old disk image and the last attempt was
with the new i-installer. So far I have downloaded 25MB, 51MB, 48MB,
17MB & 12MB. Every time I have lost the connection and have to start all
over again. This is driving me crazy.
1. Could you chop the download into smaller portions? No larger than 10
MBs.
or, if that's not possible
2. Can I just buy a CD of this software.
all the best,
Jo.
(Am I the only one having this problem? - my telephone bill can't take
much more of this).
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