[OS X TeX] FAQ or Archive
Schremmer.Alain at verizon.net
Thu Jul 15 13:57:19 EDT 2004
Well, this seems rather final—which doesn't mean unanswerable.
I wonder, though, how many here read the "fine print". I, for one,
On Jul 15, 2004, at 1:39 PM, Joseph C. Slater wrote:
> On Jul 15, 2004, at 12:54 PM, Alain Schremmer wrote:
>> "Historical information" is a bit disingenuous as, presumably, the
>> point is to make it easier for "(beginning?) users".
>> It is certainly the case that, technically, " "information, and
>> LaTeX/TeX resources" covers it. "
>> Yet, the fact is that the rest of us, at least, do respond to certain
>> cues such as FAQ.
> Right, but the word "information" covers it well enough for everybody,
> which is why it is there instead of FAQ.
>> It doesn's seem to cost much to anyone to add such cues as have been
>> suggested and, if will help making it a bit easier and less
>> frustrating to "challenged" people such as myself to learn La/teX, it
>> would be cost well spent.
>> As I have said before, and as I practice in my own corner, I don't
>> care about much as long as it will help students learn. (Which is why
>> I am learning the \*!%&//?@\\ LaTeX in the first place.) This might
>> be the only case where I have not found much wrong with the end
>> justifying the means. The fact is that, in learning situations, we
>> allow far too many foreign considerations to interfere with the
>> learning process to begin with.
> My point was simply that in signing up for the list, the 'agreement'
> that has been referred to includes the responsibility to consult the
> posted resources. Now, people don't always do this. I've been guilty,
> as have many, and there is a lot on the web site that, without
> spending the time to search "mac tex FAQ" on Google (which, by the
> way, sends you right to the FAQ), can easily go unnoticed. However, to
> say that the signature in these email messages needs to be expanded
> because it doesn't clearly tell how to find information is
> disingenuous. The web pages are a place to put all of the information,
> not the footer to each message.
> Some of us are better at digging for information than others. We all
> understand that, and there are many on this list constantly biting
> their tongues when questions about easily found information are
> posted. However, if an individual fails to read the sign-up agreement
> well enough to know even that there is information on the website
> where they signed up, then no additional information in the footer of
> the email will be helpful. This is not said to be unfriendly, but
> simply practical. It was ignored before. The footer also says "look
> here for information", but there is often not even the meekest attempt
> to click on the link. That doesn't mean that the footer is wrong. It
> simply means the reader will ignore what ever is posted. At some
> point, the member of the mailing list has to live up to their
> responsibility to at least read what their responsibilities are.
> Surprisingly, the FAQ and it's link are right there.
> I'm sure Robert is quite embarrassed already by this, so we should let
> this go. He messed up, as we all have. A little reminder of where to
> find things is sufficient. Cues such as 'this is you responsibility'
> and 'find information here' are plenty clear to a responsible person.
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