[OS X TeX] Keeping this list healthy
vivrii at gmail.com
Fri Dec 1 17:51:45 EST 2006
On 12/1/06, Alain Schremmer <Schremmer.Alain at gmail.com> wrote:
> Victor Ivrii wrote:
> > On 12/1/06, Alain Schremmer <Schremmer.Alain at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I agree with all of the above—for what my agreement is worth but I would
> >> just like to add one item:
> >> People tend to be "reactive" rather than "creative"—the latter in a very
> >> restricted sense of the word and people generally hate to be
> >> misunderstood.
> >> Say A makes a point. Generally, A's post being the first one on this
> >> point is not "reactive" and tends to be relaxed—even if not clear and
> >> precise. But what is particularly annoying to A is when after A tried to
> >> explain something c;early—at least in his/her own eyes, B, for whatever
> >> reason and in whatever manner, miss or ignore the point entirely.
> > When A makes some point he/she expects certain reaction, right? Now
> > the good question what reaction expected Bruno when mentioned M$W in
> > this list? It was doomed to generate a discussion between M$-bashers
> > like me and members of PETMU [Peole for Etical Treatment of Micro$oft
> > Users] like you.
> Precisely what reaction did you expect from the latter? (I try, indeed,
> to be ethical. Don't you? (Moreover, from a practical point of view, I
> don't see the point of forcing people or treating them with
> contempt—even behind their back—since neither is going to win them over.)
I expected this question (and this sentence is the answer to it).
> In fact this is a case in point of what I advanced: I made that same
> particular point all along but, obviously, not well enough to make
> myself understood.
> > I am not saying that Bruno should not start it, but
> > the reaction was absolutely predictable.
> If you mean that agitating a red flag under the nose of a bull is
> predictably dangerous and that it is not the fault of the bull since the
> bull has no brain to speak of, I agree. But then Voisin might not have
> realized there were bulls on the list.
> > Also, what reaction was expecting CG posting the private email from GW?
> As far as I know, he didn't say. Personally, I think he was a bit of
> both A and B. I hope he recovers.
> > And finally what expected the author of this thread? The total
> > agreement that we are very nice and civilized people but we need to be
> > even nicer and more civilized? He got it (in this case I join the
> > chorus) :-)
> >> So, while B has that glass of wine before responding to A, and possibly
> >> nailing her/him down, I would suggest s/he reread A's post a couple of
> >> time, really trying to see it from A's viewpoint. This of course does
> >> not imply that B should try to agree with A. B should try to see exactly
> >> what A was trying—and possibly failing to say—and this even if only
> >> better to nail A down.
> > Agreed.
> > So let everybody have a very nice weekend with the glass of
> > wine/beer/champagne/cognac/liqueur/vodka whatever one prefers.
> In spite of the above severe provocation, I will drink to this last.
It is true, this was the provocation :-)
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Victor Ivrii, Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto
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