[OS X TeX] MacOSX-TeX Digest, Vol 178, Issue 5
Salomon, David
david.salomon at csun.edu
Fri Aug 5 18:54:31 EDT 2022
I have been with MacTeX/Textures (Kellerman & Smith / Blue Sky) since the beginning, but I remember very little of the old days. Here is some info.
The short URL for the "Fallen" article is
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/digests/texline/no8/fallen.tex
I found a short review of Textures at
http://www.atpm.com/4.12/page12.shtml
I also remember Doug Henderson who was very knowledgeable about Metafont. He left Blue Sky after just a few years, stayed in Portland OR, and started a micro brewery. If located, he may be able to help.
I also believe that Barry Smith had to give up on the name MacTeX because this belonged to a Canadian company, which started such a Mac implementation when the mac was brand new, and quickly gave up. This was perhaps FTL?
I still use Textures on my iMac, and I have stayed with OS 10.14 Mojave because of it. I believe Textures will not work on 10.15 Catalina and above because it is 32-bit software. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I hope you can discover more about Textures and other old implementations, and am anxious to read your final article.
Regards,
David Salomon
dsalomon at csun.edu
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Today's Topics:
1. Textures early history (Max Chernoff)
2. Symbol for TeXShop (R Martinez)
3. Re: Symbol for TeXShop (Herbert Schulz)
4. Re: Symbol for TeXShop (Gray, Gary L.)
5. Re: Symbol for TeXShop (Stephen Kellat)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2022 17:24:11 -0600
From: Max Chernoff <mseven at telus.net>
To: macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu
Subject: [OS X TeX] Textures early history
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Hi all,
I'm writing an article in the upcoming TUGboat issue about some TeX
history, and I'm having trouble tracing the history of Textures and
MacTeX (but not the MacTeX that you are thinking of!).
I know that the Textures program stopped being updated in 2012 after its
author unfortunately passed away (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tex.stackexchange.com_q_108497&d=DwICAg&c=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U&r=Ofkmtjb7Tq24ER1q7Faltu-6tpMihifnahduwGYlNWM&m=PYt79QXov9WUhSZDr073kZ3MHXIU9C6EPAPe89AZXrf5F_nR7GZw9deHKhiW64Dv&s=0sJx3bI6vU_El_NFV3VKDcXdOLK3EelBzU6qgkapcG0&e= ) but
I'm having trouble tracing down its beginnings.
The earliest mention of a successful TeX implementation for the Mac is
in March 1986:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tug.org_TUGboat_tb07-2D1_tb14short.pdf-23page-3D2&d=DwICAg&c=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U&r=Ofkmtjb7Tq24ER1q7Faltu-6tpMihifnahduwGYlNWM&m=PYt79QXov9WUhSZDr073kZ3MHXIU9C6EPAPe89AZXrf5F_nR7GZw9deHKhiW64Dv&s=6ac4SHrdv7Nu6y-CTOpcARHyAVzt9BvHN5hARJV_coc&e=
The column describes a program called "MacTeX" written by Barry Smith
and distributed by Addison--Wesley.
The next mention of TeX on Mac that I can find is an ad from June 1986:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tug.org_TUGboat_tb07-2D2_tb15ads.pdf-23page-3D6&d=DwICAg&c=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U&r=Ofkmtjb7Tq24ER1q7Faltu-6tpMihifnahduwGYlNWM&m=PYt79QXov9WUhSZDr073kZ3MHXIU9C6EPAPe89AZXrf5F_nR7GZw9deHKhiW64Dv&s=dZ8eBOfGlCe50jJUHwkUOupFy9cMwsvaLVmHNd1kjbs&e=
The ad is for a program called "MacTeX", this time distributed by FTL
Systems. There is no mention of Smith, or of anyone else.
In October of 1986, there are two more ads:
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The first on page 205 is for a program called "Textures" distributed by
Addison--Wesley, in association with Smith. The second ad on page 207 is
identical to the earlier FTL systems ad.
Then in August 1988:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tug.org_TUGboat_tb09-2D2_tb21beet-2Dnew.pdf-23page-3D1&d=DwICAg&c=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U&r=Ofkmtjb7Tq24ER1q7Faltu-6tpMihifnahduwGYlNWM&m=PYt79QXov9WUhSZDr073kZ3MHXIU9C6EPAPe89AZXrf5F_nR7GZw9deHKhiW64Dv&s=UNjYCe4_UFIKF4-ZeEBnWdaYHc-0oLSgs-l9NmOaIR4&e=
The column says that Smith is splitting from A-W and taking Textures
with him to a new company called Blue Sky Research.
A different article from 1988:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mirrors.ctan.org_info_digests_texline_no8_fallen.tex&d=DwICAg&c=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U&r=Ofkmtjb7Tq24ER1q7Faltu-6tpMihifnahduwGYlNWM&m=PYt79QXov9WUhSZDr073kZ3MHXIU9C6EPAPe89AZXrf5F_nR7GZw9deHKhiW64Dv&s=RmQ9GEygsnrKnJNTjolcJxx-1ByxRsHC7ukRFt6Mi7A&e=
This article has the same news about Textures/Blue Sky, but it also
mentions that FTL Systems has quietly gone out of business.
My questions are:
1. What happened with Barry Smith's MacTeX? Did FTL already have a
MacTeX so Smith changed the name of his system, or did he sell his
software to both FTL and A-W under different names, or something else?
2. If the FTL MacTeX was independent from Smith's Textures, does any one
have any more information about it? I'm mainly curious about who its
author was, and if it was publicly released before Textures.
Thanks,
-- Max
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 18:02:49 -0700
From: R Martinez <rm.tech at mac.com>
To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <MacOSX-TeX at email.esm.psu.edu>
Subject: [OS X TeX] Symbol for TeXShop
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Hi all,
I?ll appreciate an answer to the following:
Is there a LaTeX symbol for TeXShop? Something similar to \LaTeXe for LaTeX2e?
I did look in the comprehensive symbol document to no avail.
Thanks in advance.
Ra?l Mart?nez
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 20:13:57 -0500
From: Herbert Schulz <herbs2 at mac.com>
To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Symbol for TeXShop
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> On Aug 4, 2022, at 8:02 PM, R Martinez via MacOSX-TeX <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I?ll appreciate an answer to the following:
>
> Is there a LaTeX symbol for TeXShop? Something similar to \LaTeXe for LaTeX2e?
>
> I did look in the comprehensive symbol document to no avail.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Ra?l Mart?nez
Howdy,
As far as I know there is no special symbol for TeXShop. I sometimes use \TeX{}Shop but that's about as far as I go.
Good Luck,
Herb Schulz
herbs2 at mac.com
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 01:17:36 +0000
From: "Gray, Gary L." <euler at psu.edu>
To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Symbol for TeXShop
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How about \TeX Shop?
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2022, at 9:02 PM, R Martinez via MacOSX-TeX <MacOSX-TeX at email.esm.psu.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I?ll appreciate an answer to the following:
>
> Is there a LaTeX symbol for TeXShop? Something similar to \LaTeXe for LaTeX2e?
>
> I did look in the comprehensive symbol document to no avail.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Ra?l Mart?nez
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Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 21:26:31 -0400
From: Stephen Kellat <smkellat at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Symbol for TeXShop
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On Aug 4, 2022, at 9:02 PM, R Martinez via MacOSX-TeX <macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu> wrote:
>
> ?Hi all,
>
> I?ll appreciate an answer to the following:
>
> Is there a LaTeX symbol for TeXShop? Something similar to \LaTeXe for LaTeX2e?
>
> I did look in the comprehensive symbol document to no avail.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Ra?l Mart?nez
>
I didn?t see anything on the list of hologo macros: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ctan.org_pkg_hologo&d=DwICAg&c=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U&r=Ofkmtjb7Tq24ER1q7Faltu-6tpMihifnahduwGYlNWM&m=PYt79QXov9WUhSZDr073kZ3MHXIU9C6EPAPe89AZXrf5F_nR7GZw9deHKhiW64Dv&s=qieAbGnm6VBtzbjBUjFnfLd5ObSMIEDEDfaKm_qBFoM&e=
If something becomes agreed upon it should be reported to the package repository for hologo so it can be incorporated in the next revision.
Stephen Michael Kellat
Erie Looking Productions
Ashtabula, Ohio
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